Now THAT is a mind and heart unleashed! You make me damn proud Dambisa; Africa needs you for sure!

YES! we are very, very proud of HER.

The man is really pissed off and tried to embarrass her.

You were amazing, as an African I can feel represented and more than motivated to create change in my country. Regarding the interview, You were as sharp as a sword, giving simple and significant answers to any question posed to you, You gained a new fan and admirer, Keep it Up

Trump's win proved Dambisa's point on protectionism right.

one thing i seriously hate during an argument is when people keep interrupting the person talking and not waiting to let them freakin finish

The interviewer was clearly out to put down her views. Stay strong Dambisa. Very proud of you.

The interviewer is definitely not accepting the idea West is in trouble.

This man seems to be critically arrogant,am sure he never expected a sharp woman from Africa.Dambisa tel em.

She held her ground. Well done Dambisa!

Looking back at this interview after Mr. Trump shows how everything she states is finally happening.

She smart very smart

She was very brave to posit these ideas so early on. Yes, they definitely could be seen at a distance but it's only the myopia of the West that keeps them from coming to terms with this eventuality.

That was an interrogation , he simply didn't want to believe the truth

I wonder why she was asked where is she going to be living.. or wants to live.. I think she is a global player and can really live anywhere

I wish the interviewer would stop interrupting. I thought the "hard" in "HARDtalk" was supposed to refer to tough questions, not having to quickly wrap up complex issues into five-second sound-bites before getting pulled toward another direction.

Damn. Dambisa knows what she is talking about ✊🏿

Proud of you Dambisa!.....very articulate

I respect you dambisa. Most interviewers seem afraid from years before to now to here ideas that there are other ways to do better. Go China!

And now today China is the largest economy in the world. The interviewer was being so smug talking down to her, but Ms Dambisa was on point with her prognosis. What a remarkable woman.

I watched this video to hear what Dambisa Moyo had to say, not the scrubby journalist.

From "HARDtalk" to "InterruptorTalk"..😎

Well articulated, kudos to the host who also enabled her to bring out the details and limits to her theory which I totally agree with.

That's just his "hardball" style of questioning, but she did a great job addressing his questions and seeming doubts.

What a smart girl she project The world economy many years ahead make the host look like a nut and look the facts but the host keep Pressure her

What a gorgous lady, She is undisputable. Tell em how they are too arrogant, they diserve to lose.

2.20 - 5.40 We are in 2023 and Dambisa's take has absolutely come to pass. Wonder if Stephen would consider a revisit.

She was right. Protectionism is back in the U.S!

Sami is a wants the best for the West and for Africa. Every of her words proved that. And she nailed it by presenting only Western world and Africa as possible places she will spend the rest of her life. He interviewer should grow up to differentiate destructive criticism from constructive criticism of the West.

Shows how much the interviewer knew about the world 10 years ago. How wrong is he. How right is Dambisa👍💐💃💥🤺

A true master.

I love and admire this lady so much. I wonder what her views are on Israel

The interviewer was quite aggressive and asked questions as if in disbelief. Dambisa Moyo held her own and did not waiver one bit.

Stephen Sackur is not an "investigative journalist" as you say. He is the host of a show named HARD TALK which is, by design, a forum for debating people with controversial ideas or polarizing views. Sackur takes the position of devil's advocate, a commonly taken position in debate which purposefully engages the subject in an argumentative discussion in order to reveal any potential weakness in the subjects position. This is not "invetsigative journalism". I should add, I am a huge fan of Moyo.

hard talk is good because the interviewer is a harsh inquisitor

This guy accuses her of having a zero-sum analysis. HE is the one with the zero-sum view.

We´ll have to keep on dreaming about it

Stephen Sackur should watch this in 2021.

this guy thinks that US debt default is out of the question? not only isn't it off the table, it's guaranteed to happen. there is absolutely no chance that the US will ever pay off it's public debt. there will either be outright default or an inflationary default.

I wonder wat he has to say now

Why do the British take things so personal, and nationalistic when their/western policies/values are put into questions? Pathetic. Dambisa Moyo FTW!!!

Everything she said is coming to pass now

I'm obsessed with this woman.

" They're so far away " _Chinese economy overtakes the U.S.'s to become the largest_ -Marketwatch Dec 4th 2014

razor sharp!

in 2018, how do u feel about this conversation?

7 years later, and they elect Bolsanaro...I believe she's been fantastically refuted now.

Obviously, there are two concerns of citizens 1- Freedom and 2- Wellbeing. The prevailing models of Western Democracy and that of China are essentially focussed on only one aspect. Owing to the short term of democratic governments, the long term social targets such as education, health and infrastructure are not in focus whereas in China model the citizens have a better focus on social development and infrastructure at the cost of freedom to choose the government. It could be interesting if the developing nations decide on a 'national agenda of social development' developed/agreed by all stakeholders and voted by referendum and can't be reversed by an elected government. Performance of the elected governments would be gauged based on how well they achieve these targets. There has to be a model to maintain a democratic society with a long-term focus on the well being of their citizens.

if you read the book properly. Excellent. He did not. The typical arrogance.

would be nice to have a chat with the interviewer now after 12 years

This has already happened that China is a BIG economy, this piece was 7 years ago, so my sister is been vindicated. Thanks.

Who is watching this now? Did you hear the miscalculation about China? The lady was very right!!!!!!

WHO is here in 2020- Corona vibes

Wow! Dambisa foresaw the rise of Donald Trump's protectionism policies way back in 2011. She should return to Zambia and enter politics and hopefully lift Zambia and Africa out of it's economic woes.

The two examples she had to give on countries with longer terms are Brazil and mexico,Both disasters.If the rational behind longer terms is better long term strategy by the govts ,I would like to hear examples of such cases.Not surprised the interviewer from BBC did not point it out,as it would have been politically incorrect to do so.

this was 2011 in which and what she is saying has already come to florescent in 2018.

It is clear to me that this dude is anti-China and wants her to say negative things about it. Dambisa was smart not to fall into that trap of getting into politics. The dude is super arrogant and has no knowledge on the matter nor does he looks interested on how other types of government other than democracy can succeed. And, he seems to be very unhappy about it.

This is 2019... about five years after this interview. The host was extremely tough as per the name of the show. However, with the current atmosphere-

HArdTalk, the Host was trying to Embushed Her

holy moly, predict about the protectionism in US in 2011, look what happened in last 4 years...

Fair point, but it's because programmes like HARDtalk frequently concern themselves with politicians, whose evasiveness is something the interviewer's style is designed to combat. In Moyo's own terms, it's an artifact of the shows' schema and not something the interviewer needs to address; especially since Moyo still manages to come across so well in spite of it.

I am in 2021 and you were right china just surpassed usa and you are brilliant.

More like an argument than the usual Hard Talk.

An entirely sweeping thinking, but it's illogically nor factually grounded

She Ready

lol his arrogance annoyed so much,3:00 is almost comic to look at it in 2018

I like Dambisa's ideas... I wish she could slow down her pace of speaking...

Democracy is not a pre-requisite for economic growth. True, but the examples of China, Chile and India are cases of economic growth starting from very low bases. Does the democracy-growth argument hold for mature countries like the U.S.? Why is everyone so fascinated with China? China's growth model--reliance on exports, infrastructure development--has run its course. The country has a closed political system, yet we expect them to address structural issues better than we do?

I am positively sure that you have the real answers. Please share your wisdom.Go ahead give your prescription.The interviewer was clearly more concerned about arguing than reasoning.Sadly we are educated to live in this fairy tale life. It is impossible for the western world to lose its economic power.Is it?

Whitman arrogance has no shame.

@nissyabc123 The standard BBC interview technique is that of "Devil's Advocate" and intentionally seeks to take the opposing view from that of the interviewee. And yes, it's a particularly pushy technique that leads to the interviewer intervening wherever an inconsistency is perceived in the interviewee's line of argument. Some BBC journalists have drawn criticism for the number of interventions made in an interview and not allowing the argument to be developed.

She knows her shit

She is great but she is wrong about Brazil having 7-year terms for political offices. Terms are 4 years with 1 consecutive reelection for all executive offices, infinite reelection for legislative offices, only Senators have 8-year terms with infinite reelection.

I love this response let us get back to earth. Poor interview. This man is very ignorant about the subject but worked really hard to hide his ignorance by over empfasising a

I am sure each time Stephen watches this clip he feels a complete idiot by wondering if the US defaulting is a conceivably ever a possibility in the real world? Well we're in the real world and what have we seen? The first ever downgrade by S&P and who knew this would come so soon? Exactly the point Ms. Moyo was making about the West - stop the pomposity, listen more and stop blaming everyone about everything.

Real question: How much of this is just book promotion?

the comments below all have to do with either sackur's posturing and mean demeanor (its his job get over it), or moyo's style of defense and presentation. seems none of you took the time to actually hear and enlighten yourselves on the actual discussions at hand. sackur almost destroyed this lady's arguments, her over the top prescriptions for default without taking into acct what a US default wud mean for the world economy is just plain dumb for a person of her intellect

so prescient

I bet the interviewer has his foot in the mouth in 2021.

Well she was right😅 30 trillion debt

lol his arrogance annoyed me so much,3:00 is almost comic to look at it in 2018

I can’t stand people interrupting and talking over others, that goes for interviewers too. I doesn’t make you look intelligent. Let the guests answer the questions.

this guy is completely lost and unprepared....wasted time..fake reporters

The man is so rude !

BBC hardtalk is more like BBC talkshit with disingenuous Stephen tryhard wanting to manufacture drama at every turn for the sake of it. Only managed to watch because Dambisa put all the sense in that convo...

@nbxix lol S&P have no credibility.

Microsoft Home enterprise's & ratnkunje n

So according to this Trump is doing the right thing.

Canned