Dancing for the Devil: The 7M TikTok Cult | Official Trailer | Netflix

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26 күн бұрын

A group of prominent TikTok dancers are trapped in a cult masquerading as a management company called 7M. Among them is Miranda Wilking, whose family is desperately trying to get their daughter out. As other dancers and former members escape and work to rebuild their lives, it isn’t until they come together to try and put a stop to the cycle of their abuser that the real healing begins. This three-part documentary series from director Derek Doneen, Dirty Robber and WV Alternative exposes the diabolical tactics used by cult-like organizations to exert control over people as well as the lengths families will go to keep their loved ones safe.
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@mxmVEGA
@mxmVEGA 4 күн бұрын
Damn the comment section is full of cult members 😂
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 4 күн бұрын
No that’s not it. Katie Joy from WOACB is the one that pushed for this documentary and is a known liar and is a very cruel person. There is a community that spreads awareness about Katie’s horrible behavior and are likely responding to this documentary. Katie has been sued by Robert Shinn in a defamation lawsuit so we are familiar with her antics behind the scenes. She is extremely manipulative and twists the truth. She also made over 30 videos exploiting a young man’s suicide to line her pockets. She will exploit anyone for money. Shes an awful person.
@bambina5604
@bambina5604 4 күн бұрын
@@Eileen064 what are you even on about, there are multiple victims speaking out in this documentary and you're trying to paint it all as a lie because of some woman. You 100% sound like a cult member.
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
Right?!😂
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 3 күн бұрын
​@Eileen064 saying you're a cult member without saying you're a cult member. You sound like a freaking sock puppet! Get over yourself!
@rayss9863
@rayss9863 16 күн бұрын
It somehow always revolves around a self proclaimed pastor.
@gerard7417
@gerard7417 11 сағат бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@molly.dog8brooke792
@molly.dog8brooke792 10 сағат бұрын
Almost as if the notion of a God you must worship else you go to hell is an incredibly good way to control people
@TurkishPlayaHH
@TurkishPlayaHH 3 күн бұрын
Nothing is more important than your family. I can not believe that people drop there family for religion.
@DominiqueIBCLC
@DominiqueIBCLC 9 сағат бұрын
people have been leaving their family for religion for as long as there has been religion. Hell at one point Jesus asked for the first born sons....
@Unknown-us3ii
@Unknown-us3ii 6 сағат бұрын
Apparently true religion would not want you to drop your parents.
@Harpreet122y
@Harpreet122y 4 күн бұрын
that's funny , cult members extremely popping in the comments section.
@glamrockfoxy6667
@glamrockfoxy6667 9 сағат бұрын
Now a documentary about tiktok
@katy9000
@katy9000 4 күн бұрын
Really really interesting that almost all of these comments are about Without a Crystal Ball and Katie Paulson and deleting Netflix accounts lol its almost like a bunch of people got together and came up with a tactic against this documentary. Probably for a reason.
@noelleterrill
@noelleterrill 4 күн бұрын
🤣 TOO funny you are; it’s ppl like YOU who get sucked into KJ’s cult…it’s easier not to thick THAT MANY PEOPLE DESPISE KJ, isn’t it. Well truth is: SHE REALLY IS THAT DESPISED! Bc of the YEARS of harm we’ve all witnessed! For gosh sakes, FREAKING GOOGLE the trauma vulture! (Or don’t…continue being one of her blind 🐑🐑 cult followers)
@Sandraahhhs
@Sandraahhhs 4 күн бұрын
I see the cults members are working overtime in the comment section..
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
I noticed that. Unless it’s maybe they’ve got bots commenting because they’re all saying exactly the same thing 😂😂😂
@stefanysilva4717
@stefanysilva4717 3 сағат бұрын
THIS !! 😂
@D_isco_D_ancer
@D_isco_D_ancer 5 күн бұрын
So this cult has an army of trolls taking over the comment section.
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 4 күн бұрын
Yeah now that you're saying it, I guess you might be right about that!
@itsbigcliff5178
@itsbigcliff5178 4 күн бұрын
Dude I seen the same thing
@jika1986
@jika1986 4 күн бұрын
I was thinking the same thing 🤔
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 3 күн бұрын
100% 😂😂 I'm reading the comments while watching it. It's so sad. It's like cult inception lol
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 3 күн бұрын
@@tessajones9393 💯 indeed! These trolls are all over it. And it is sad cause this is a cult FOR SURE!
@siryozen9648
@siryozen9648 21 күн бұрын
Its kinda weird when you see comments section where every comment is almost exactly the same.
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 21 күн бұрын
Simply evidence many, many people feel strongly about Katie Joy Paulson's affiliation with this production. She is a very problematic source of information, to put it lightly. Her relationship with the truth has proved tenuous at best.
@siryozen9648
@siryozen9648 21 күн бұрын
@@ezsmum3064 no normal person knows who katie joy is
@NinaPB
@NinaPB 20 күн бұрын
@@siryozen9648thank you. I’m starting to think those people are also a cult. Anyway, Katie Joy aside, there are several people in this trailer saying they were victims and people are straight up ignoring that. Weirdos.
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 20 күн бұрын
​@@NinaPB clearly you haven't done your research into Katie Joy and have no idea about what she's done. Why don't you look into how "credible" she is and then come back to the comments. This isn't members of a cult, these are real life people who have had interactions with her and have watched her cause pain and exploit people. She did this to herself. This is simply caused by her words, actions and behaviours. This is her public reputation. This is how people see her and I myself made a lengthy comment about how I feel sorry for these victims. Katie couldn't give up the spotlight and let the victims speak. She knows her true reputation around KZfaq and around the Web. She knew people were going to take issue with her involvement. She claims to care so much about the victims, but why couldn't she politely step back and let the victims voices shine? Because Katie Joy is a trauma vulture and is not a true advocate for victims. She can't help but take credit for things and insert herself into every story.
@brendapaws7933
@brendapaws7933 17 күн бұрын
You should see Fox News out of Utah when she was on. Even people didn't know who she was went after her.
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
I watched this and it’s SO SAD. I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day. I hope Miranda returns to her true self one day and leaves this cult behind. The world isn’t blind, we can see this cult-church for what it is. It’s a cult. I hope Prycilla can find peace within herself enough to propel her forward into enjoying a fantastic life.
@kendrickdinger
@kendrickdinger Күн бұрын
If/when Miranda leaves she’s going to be just like Pricylla after she finally left, emotionally confused about leaving what she’s known for years and struggling to find herself
@tamb7587
@tamb7587 Күн бұрын
Pray for them we all need to pray for them!
@tamb7587
@tamb7587 Күн бұрын
@@kendrickdingerMiranda has something Prycilla didn’t have and that’s a loving and caring family. They were there in the beginning and will be there when she comes back there will be a big difference in her ability to be deprogrammed .
@titasandeman5709
@titasandeman5709 3 күн бұрын
The saddest thing about all this is that the leader of the cult is becoming a millionaire at the expense of the dancers!!! He manipulates them with "belief in God" and they are so blind that they believe he really cares about them. For the cult leader they only represent a lot of money for his pockets. But as they say..... There is no blinder than he who does not want to see... The saddest thing is seeing everything their families suffer when they see their children, it is that horrible situation!!! I hope Robert Shin gets arrested and locked away one day...
@_bl4dee
@_bl4dee 24 күн бұрын
bruh i thought the trailer was not real and was a movie filmed in a way to make it look like a real documentary turns out it is real 💀
@ilovejungkook8423
@ilovejungkook8423 24 күн бұрын
Me too 😂😂😂😂
@Tom-nv9lv
@Tom-nv9lv 24 күн бұрын
slow
@MahmoudKora-wr4sx
@MahmoudKora-wr4sx 23 күн бұрын
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 22 күн бұрын
Her family came off very inauthentic, like actors hired to play the role of her family for the documentary.
@starladear234
@starladear234 22 күн бұрын
No​@@MahmoudKora-wr4sx
@Sasha.Co1
@Sasha.Co1 4 күн бұрын
Most of the comments here are from the cult itself
@Theatrekindaguy
@Theatrekindaguy 24 күн бұрын
Holy wow. I went to school and did theatre with Miranda and remember hearing and seeing all this happening. It’s so crazy to think about. Wishing the best for this family and all those affected in this too.
@flyingmomlaura8723
@flyingmomlaura8723 23 күн бұрын
I hope they tell Miranda's side of the story and do not rely on just her sister and parents. BTW, Miranda did say what was going on shortly after her parents posted their side of the story on social media.
@MahmoudKora-wr4sx
@MahmoudKora-wr4sx 23 күн бұрын
Whoever wants peace of mind and heart should read the Holy Quran and the biography of the Prophet Muhammad, for the Quran is a healing for the breasts and tranquility of the souls, you will not lose anything if you read the Holy Qur'an
@nathena8
@nathena8 23 күн бұрын
@@flyingmomlaura8723 it’s not likely that Miranda was interviewed because usually an active cult isn’t going to let its members speak on something like this.
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
​@@nathena8u do know it was Melanie who brought her sister to this alleged cult right? And she got mad when everyone saw that Miranda is the more talented dancer right? I hope u also know that Miranda met w her sister n family n had Christmas together too. I didn't know cults allow their ADULT members to leave/come n go on their own free will. Kj said those images of the family reunited are a stunt for 7m. Also the wilkings quickly learned who woacb was & told her to leave them alone n take the videos down. So once again kj felt rejected & slighted so she went even harder & stalked n harassed them. U shld get out of the woacb cult bc u look foolish defending satans agent
@marshallartsentertainment3741
@marshallartsentertainment3741 22 күн бұрын
No, you didn't. Stop lying. Holy wow.
@onechristianwallace
@onechristianwallace 4 күн бұрын
The cult has some well paid bots 😂😂😂
@jika1986
@jika1986 4 күн бұрын
Facts 😂
@timinwabuisi6494
@timinwabuisi6494 3 күн бұрын
Honestly very well paid 😂
@Blahblahbaba123
@Blahblahbaba123 2 күн бұрын
Yeees!!! 😂😂
@stevesandeman8321
@stevesandeman8321 3 күн бұрын
The leader of that cult is a person who knows how to manipulate each of the members. The dancers work and work and only receive 20 percent of what they earn. The leader of the cult is a very intelligent man in a evil way. How many cults have come to light and people continue and continue believe in those persons who say they are God's chosen ones? It's sad to see the parents suffer from this whole situation, so I hope the trial of robert shin starts soon and they put them in jail for ever.
@melisalee2256
@melisalee2256 2 күн бұрын
Hey cult members in the comment section, don’t make it so obvious by trashing this documentary cause of 1 potential source. There’s first party testimony from several former members that spoke out in this documentary and you’re harping on just 1 person. We feel for you and hope you see the truth soon! Don’t waste years of your young lives worshipping a predator!
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 2 күн бұрын
Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this KZfaq creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
@kind2423
@kind2423 23 сағат бұрын
@@jenmck23be gone paid bot
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 23 сағат бұрын
Don't know why my comment is gone but posting again since I'm not a paid bot but a real Canadian women. Ok I beg of you please do a simple Google search on this woman. Katie Joy is not credible and has very problematic behaviours. People's reactions and comments are based on personal experiences and interactions with this KZfaq creator. Please don't dismiss our voices as victims of Katie Joy, when you are fighting so hard for other victim's voices to be believed. I can assure you I am not a part of any cult and was a flipping subscriber and paying member to Katie before I realized her true intentions are that of making money and not being an advocate and supporter of victims. Our claims and experiences we have witnessed and seen with Katie should be treated no differently than the claims in this docuseries. Please by all means take the time and read my comments and others. Understand we have a right to be concerned given Katie's very problematic track record, that has been documented and proven for everyone to see.
@glamrockfoxy6667
@glamrockfoxy6667 9 сағат бұрын
This documentary is so dark and bad at the same time
@carolinamurtha3102
@carolinamurtha3102 12 күн бұрын
I’m excited for this documentary because this cult is real. All these dancers are so ridiculously talented and yet are doing the same handful of choreography to the same handful of oldies, and always posted or credited to Isaiah Shinn who is Robert Shinn’s son (head of the church). That’s just the tip of what’s odd. These dancers deserve better.
@squidskid4934
@squidskid4934 9 сағат бұрын
I always wondered why there were posted under a seemingly random person’s name
@natas2350
@natas2350 3 сағат бұрын
These people all seem self centered and shallow So who carea😂
@AnotherJoe
@AnotherJoe 4 күн бұрын
Let’s hope they watch this documentary and come to their senses somehow. There’s clearly only one person benefiting from all this.
@jika1986
@jika1986 4 күн бұрын
It's so sad
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 3 күн бұрын
100%
@glamrockfoxy6667
@glamrockfoxy6667 9 сағат бұрын
Wow it a dark documentary about tiktok it went dark
@itsbigcliff5178
@itsbigcliff5178 4 күн бұрын
Why are all these comments condemning this exactly two weeks ago...btw ..im an outsider..have no clue about this...but i know bots when i see them
@heather5346
@heather5346 4 күн бұрын
No. A lot of actual people find woacb, a “source” in this production, to be a click bait KZfaqr who spreads misinformation for views.
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
Same.
@djbzwaxx421
@djbzwaxx421 3 күн бұрын
@@heather5346 the sources in this doc are former victims of Roberts cult, the dancers are only his latest victims and a minor part of what the doc highlights.
@squarcircle2254
@squarcircle2254 2 күн бұрын
@@heather5346Robert Shinn is still a devil’s incarnate.
@ilaera7830
@ilaera7830 2 күн бұрын
@@heather5346 heather, you don't even have a profile picture. bot behavior
@jika1986
@jika1986 4 күн бұрын
I hope all this talented, beautiful people in that cult will come to there senses and leave that "pastor" all this comments here are from bots paid by that " greedy pastor"
@Sami-th9bx
@Sami-th9bx 3 күн бұрын
I was always wondering whos houses they were dancing because they looks like villas and just recenly her and her husband purchased a new house that is not luxurious. So I wonder if that was their cult leader mantion
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 3 күн бұрын
They either rented it for a day or something or it is his...which he probably pays with the money they are supposed to earn
@ErichToven
@ErichToven 5 күн бұрын
Someone thought a man of god couldn't ever be the leader of a cult.. WOW
@ErichToven
@ErichToven 5 күн бұрын
That's literally the #1 requirement
@ameliesayshola8854
@ameliesayshola8854 5 күн бұрын
EDIT: watched the documentary, Katie Joy is NOT interviewed. Some of her social media posts appear on screen a few times but they represent a matter of seconds of the 3 episode documentary. You can all go rage elsewhere. 😊 Regardless of whoever Katie Joy is, I’ve read the reviews from news sources and they interview several former members of the cult who have left. This sounds like Classic Cult 101. Just because they interview one shady person does not negate the experiences of the members who left. It’s interesting because I’ve gotten bombarded with videos from Miranda and her husband on Instagram on my feed (I don’t follow either of them). Both very good looking, great dancers, fun videos. I didn’t think much about it but there is always more than meets the eye online.
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 4 күн бұрын
Exactly this! I came to the comments section while watching this doc but all I read is about some Katie Joy which I've never heard of before in the first place. Guess I'm too old to keep up with this BS lol. But I do know a thing or 2 about cults, and this one definitely ticks some major classic cult boxes, so yeah there's that.. And I'm sure all of those former members didn't lie about their experiences either. But maybe I'm getting sour here, but all I'm thinking while watching this is... oh yeah, America...again! The obsession with religion seems to be sooo huge that I feel any potential cult leader can just stand up and decide to create a new cult within say a few years time or so..
@jika1986
@jika1986 4 күн бұрын
I think all this comments are bots paid by that greedy pastor
@BarbedHawk
@BarbedHawk 2 күн бұрын
​@YvieT81 seems most if not all of those comments are shills from the cult. Probably many of them leaving comments are the ones who have been brainwashed. Very sad.
@JoLGSuny
@JoLGSuny Күн бұрын
​@@jika1986The pastor has his own handlers out there, and trust me, a LARGE part of Hollywood and these smaller scale companies spend millions on fake/bot accounts to grow certain accounts and overwhelmingly be in the comment section defending bs. Trolls and bots vote too! But don't pay taxes because they're FAKE. Odd world we live in today.
@kurtbaldwin6984
@kurtbaldwin6984 4 күн бұрын
In every cult documentary I've ever watched I've been able to spot some degree of charisma in the "leader", until now lol. It blows my mind ANYONE could be seduced by this guy, I watch all the cult docs and I've never said/thought that. I mean what am I missing???
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 3 күн бұрын
I thought the same way. I think it's what they got in return. Fame, views, celebrity and money
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
He must be good at talking because he’s frightening to look at.
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 3 күн бұрын
I agree but I think it's a combination of young adults, naive, he promises them money and fame and well...they're Americans obsessed with god/religion. Then this is what you get. Sorry, but that's the truth.
@kendrickdinger
@kendrickdinger Күн бұрын
Fame hungry artists
@meanmouse
@meanmouse Күн бұрын
Not always the case! Look! Trump became a president when he has a vocabulary of a first grader!!! Anything is possible. I actually thought this Shinn guy sounded smarter than Trump. 😂
@michaelarodrigues8798
@michaelarodrigues8798 3 күн бұрын
If anyone sees my comment, I don’t want to discredit anybody’s feelings because I don’t know about the drama about withoutacrystalball but the one part where she is mentioned is when the documentary is narrating how many people were talking about Robert Shinn (not just her) from the video that Miranda’s family made. She appears from 53:15 to 53:20 and 53:33 to 53:40 of the first episode. The other information/research comes from other dancers that were from 7M management/Shekinah, ex-members of Shekinah, audio/video recordings of Robert’s sermons, Miranada’s parents and sister, another set of parents of a dancer that is in 7M management that are going through the same issues, and one or two pictures from an ex-member named Priscilla. This information is just from the first two episodes, I haven’t watched the third yet.
@SometimesFishing
@SometimesFishing 21 күн бұрын
So the takeaway. No one has common sense anymore😂😂😂
@ezzb
@ezzb 7 сағат бұрын
Priscilla and Melanie alone was SO MUCH. I hope Netflix will do a follow up.
@brendapaws7933
@brendapaws7933 23 күн бұрын
Hey, KJ you wish you can dirty delete all of this and block every one.
@neeneemarie
@neeneemarie 22 күн бұрын
😂😂 I love it!
@Tee_Gee_
@Tee_Gee_ 22 күн бұрын
THIS!!! She can't create an echo chamber here!!
@suzannetitkemeyernlq
@suzannetitkemeyernlq 19 күн бұрын
@@neeneemarie I love this for her! No access to delete us.
@Laura-bw6pl
@Laura-bw6pl 2 күн бұрын
?? Who’s KJ🤔
@FoxCatSirena
@FoxCatSirena 2 күн бұрын
​@Laura-bw6pl Katie Joy, aka Without a Crystal Ball. Make sure you have snacks if you wanna go down that rabbit hole, lol.
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 24 күн бұрын
Ok I'm first going to state to the victims in this docuseries I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you feel like you could trust Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball with your stories. I'm not here to discredit people who feel like they are victims or say this isn't a cult because I honestly have no idea. However I'm very disappointed to see that Netflix has decided to air this without seemingly doing any background research into Katie and her very problematic ways. These people sharing their stories thinking they could actually trust WOACB with anything sucks to see because she is NOT an advocate for victims. Katherine Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball LLC is best described as a trauma vulture. She attaches herself onto popular news stories like a leech and takes things too far and ends up exploiting these people in their vulnerable situations and makes money off of the topic while it's being discussed online currently. Then she'll jump to the next thing and do it all over again when the views start to go down. I know Katie loves to say that anyone who disagrees with her is a troll, part of the cult, just a hater and any other number of excuses she has for people who disagree with her and dare to criticize her. I know this because I was not only a subscriber but an actual paying member of her channel. And when I disagreed with her enough in chats and pushed back at her, I was blocked and was no longer allowed to chat. Even though I was a paying member for months before I noticed and even after that, trying to give het the benefit of the doubt. There are many channels dedicated to calling out her lies and problematic behaviours. But there are 2 situations i want to post here as this is dealing with victims. The first is the situation involving a young girl named SL. While the story was still unfolding a video went viral. This young girl was saying she was a victim of SA. Given that she was just a child, no one should question her credibility and the story and allow the authorities to get to the bottom of things. Now thankfully authorities investigated and discovered it was a story made up by her father over custody issues. But at the time Katie had no clue, like the rest of us, whether this situation was real or not. But Katie decided to question the little girls story and call her a brat. Now Katie loves to claim that the evidence of this Livestream, because it is just a clip, is somehow taken out of context. That is a lie. I was in that stream that night and while she might have been reading someone's comment of saying I think she's being a brat. Katie responds with "ya I think she's just being bratty. She goes from crying to fine, crying to fine. It reminds me of when my son pitches a fit". Many people including myself took issue with this statement because regardless, a young child was crying and making serious accusations. You never want to doubt a child who has claimed to have suffered like that. But Katie discussed the girls acting lessons and equated that to her behaviour in the video and ultimately questioned her whole story. To me, you never second guess a child saying that. I would much prefer they investigate and determine it was false then letting an innocent child suffer like that. So this is my first example of her not truly being about advocating for the victim. Second is involving a man who happened to jump into a live stream and chat. He caught Katie's attention so he without thinking too much about it or doing a Google search on her, he came in and had a conversation with Katie. However this man deals quite closely with vulnerable people and others advocating and bringing awareness to cults. So Preacher Boy decided to do some research into Katie himself after he had received quite a few messages that concerned him. What he learned he said didn't align with his views and methods of how he runs his channel and the work that he does. So he very politely apologized to his audience and followers as he said he was unaware of who exactly Katie was at the time he joined the live. It was very spur the moment and he didn't have time to look into her, which is something he always does he stated. Well Katie didn't take too kindly to being rejected, and decided to go on Instagram live and start bashing this man publicly. He simply made an error of not researching someone who he talked to before hand. Well Katie in this live was just dragging and bashing him and blaming the haters for contacting him. She couldn't, nor can she ever, take accountability for herself. It was her own actions and behaviours online that caused this man hesitation and decided not to work with her anymore. She then had the audacity to accuse this man of abusing his wife by claiming men of this cult have deep rooted issues and clearly he still has much work to do. It was absolutely disgusting. I mean I could go on and on. Gabby Petito, Marvon McCray, Garrison Brown. Releasing private messages between her and Teen Mom 2 star Jenelle Evans Eason, a DV victim, all because she couldn't break the cycle yet and ended up going back with her abuser. Endangering not just Jenelle's life but her children's lives as well releasing messages of Jenelle confiding in her regarding injuries she sustained. It was already publicly known and very speculated on that things were still happening behind closed doors. Katie claims to be a journalist and so called reporter. But she told Jenelle those messages were off the record and when Jenelle decided to take him back, rather than extend private support to a DV victim, she chose to plaster all of these confidential messages on her public KZfaq channel and other social media platforms. These are just some of the stories that are out there that have occurred. Again, I say all of this because Katie Joy is not to be trusted. At the end of the day, just like the Tati Westbrook story and information she thought she had from Clark Swanson, she is most concerned with being the first to break the story. She wants credit and her name to be quoted in everything and she'll scream it from the rooftops if you snub her or she broke a story first and feels like she deserves more credit than what she's getting. IMO this woman is dangerous and is not an advocate for victims. But rather she looks for vulnerable people and groups to make nice with and use their stories to make money off of. Exploit their stories, get clicks and views but at no point does she help these people connect with proper resources. It's all about her getting the juicy gossip and details but in the past has made clear she doesn't connect people to resources who ask. So how exactly is she an advocate for victims? My final comment if you've made it this far will be this. When i discovered Katie's channel I was struggling with having just been freed myself. I'm a survivor of SA/DV and finding a community I thought was fighting for the victims made me feel safe and special. I'm not posting all of this because I hate her or am wanting to bash her. I just don't want any other victims fooled by Katie's words because her actions and her words don't add up. To Netflix, I truly hope you consider putting a warning regarding this woman's involvement, if not pulling this altogether. It sucks for those that want to share their stories. But Katie's involvement at all with this project taints the whole thing in my opinion. Please research her before crediting her when you list the description on Netflix. Edit: ***I also want to make a correction. I was writing this at night, passionately and in my feelings. I have been made aware of some information involving the SL situation. I forgot that it was not confirmed whether the allegations SL made were false and/ or forced by her father. Towards the end of this case I couldn't keep up and decided to no longer follow things closely. The public made an assumption given how things unfolded with the father, that they were likely not true. The father ended up going on the run with SL and they became missing people. When SL was safely returned, she was not taken home to the mother but was returned home to a third party, family member. The allegations were against the mothers boyfriend/ step father. The findings in the investigation have not been made public regarding whether there was any truth to the accusations or not, to my understanding. This case involves a minor and I assume the case is sealed to the public. I want to make it clear that I did not mean to take anything away from SL's heartbreaking video and accusations. I understand she has been put through so much regardless if the allegations have been found to be false or not. I made in clear in my comment that no one should doubt a child's story and I believe that. This young girl deserves to heal and receive help and therapy out of the public eye. The public wouldn't even be aware of things if the father hadn't posted the video and the mother hadn't released the minors medical records to Katie, who then made a video on KZfaq about it. Regardless of how the investigation turned out, this girl deserves privacy and a normal life. I don't care the outcome of this case because it's none of our business. I just wanted to correct or clarify, whatever you want to call it that it has not been proven as fact that the allegations were false and made up, it was simply speculation from the public. To me it doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that she is safe and can go back to being a kid. I hope to no longer hear about SL and she can go back to living her life and healing from her trauma, whatever that may be. She deserves privacy and peace. Fingers crossed I no longer hear about SL ever again, unless she decides to come out publicly as an adult and speak about her situation. But I did not mean to take anything away from SL and her experience and to add we don't know all the details that occurred. I wish SL nothing but the best in life.
@Nikki38
@Nikki38 24 күн бұрын
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💯
@GigglingHamster
@GigglingHamster 24 күн бұрын
Say it louder!!!!
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 23 күн бұрын
Say it louder !!
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 23 күн бұрын
@@Nikki38 Awe thanks Nikki. Lol I didn't even think about people/ creators seeing this. I just happened to have feelings last night after watching the trailer. I just kinda put pen to paper as the saying goes and stated expressing my feelings, opinions and concerns about Katie's involvement in this project.
@Nikki38
@Nikki38 23 күн бұрын
@@jenmck23 i read it in my video i just put out today. People need to hear your words. They come the heart🥰
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 3 күн бұрын
These comments are a cult 😂
@starladear234
@starladear234 22 күн бұрын
Do you know that this girl was sued by tati Westbrook? I think you need to ask celebrity and very notable lawyer Michael Saltz, Esquire about this.
@larrylangford1911
@larrylangford1911 3 күн бұрын
Hope Robert goes to prison for a long time. He deserves to be in a cell with nothing.
@Duckandrun7
@Duckandrun7 23 күн бұрын
Yikes Netflix 😳 Katie Joy?? Hahahahha. Shoulda used Google before including her...oof.
@HajerDesigns
@HajerDesigns 6 күн бұрын
And you will think that in 2024, people have reached a certain level of critical thinking and intelligence to not fall into this kind of life trap.
@Lovingyout
@Lovingyout 2 күн бұрын
I watch a lot of dance videos. I recognize several people in this documentary. I watch them on KZfaq often. It breaks my heart. It is heavy. I recommend it. Even though it’s hard at times, there’s a lot to learn there. First, when people have good families, those families will keep fighting to save them.
@jessicamerino-ibanez5995
@jessicamerino-ibanez5995 20 күн бұрын
I’ve never heard of Katie Joy Paulson. Can someone explain what she has done and said? The first few comments are all about saying how she’s a bad person and I just to know why so I can informed
@marywinchester4313
@marywinchester4313 20 күн бұрын
Katie Joy stated in a video that her son would murder someone because he is autistic. Katie Joy also demonstrate how to SEXUALLY abuse a child in a video
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 20 күн бұрын
Ok I left a very long comment about a couple examples. But it's honestly a harder question to answer because there are so many examples over the years. She is basically what we call a Trauma Vulture. She starts claiming to "report" on stories but the real reason is because she simply wants to make money and ends up taking things way too far. The latest example is the tragic passing of Garrison Brown. He got ahold of audio and reports about his suicide. She doesn't truly care about the victims but rather it's all about clicks and views. She exploits victims and simply wants to cover their stories to make money. Please don't take my word for it. There are many channels that call out her problematic behaviour and her history is well documented on KZfaq. WOACB vs WOACB, Renelle Smith, Southern Mutton, Nee nee Marie, Cactus Bill, and many more. See for yourself why people have such issues with her.
@HankTex22
@HankTex22 19 күн бұрын
Just Google her!!!
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
It’s just bots commenting. Trying to put the willies up Netflix to deter the real public from watching and liking the brilliant doco. Ignore the bots.
@ChadBest-ug8uo
@ChadBest-ug8uo 45 минут бұрын
Lost a friend of 30 years to a cult/church. He met a woman in this group. He became very distant and cold. He got married and changed his last name (to hers). Cut off his family and all his friends in a matter of months. Eventually moved away, and no one has heard from him in 10 years. Scary stuff!
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 23 күн бұрын
Katie Joy Paulson, who has pretty much said everything from "I played only a small part in this documentary" to "I made this documentary happen" is not a credible source for ANYTHING. The beauty of what I'm about to say and the opinions I express is that she can't delete it, as she does ANY comment that is the least bit critical or that corrects her constant factual misstatements. CONSTANT. The following is Katie's recipe for journalistic success, which Meta and KZfaq condone: (1) pick a perceived Christian public figure (usually sourced from TLC); (2) accuse them of being in a cult (any remotely "Christian" religion is a cult to Katie Joy, including Catholicism); and (3) endlessly pick apart their lives, accuse them of serious crimes-always including sex crimes-for which she gives no evidence, and comment nasty things about their appearance. She even made fun of Kody Brown's balding hair in a photo taken at the memorial for his son who had committed suicide. THAT is Katie Joy Paulson in a nutshell. The same women she claims are "victims" are vilified, spoken about like middle school mean girls. Her "reporting" is predominantly sourced from Reddit subs, which she usually doesn't credit. She has made hundreds if not thousands of videos on the Duggars and the Browns, most recently cashing in on the suicide of Garrison Brown in a way that breaches even fundamental ethics of journalism. She has repeatedly lied about the status of her lawsuit with 7M, Miranda, and James. The way she has talked about Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member has been revolting. Her live-steamed reaction when she learned from a sub that Miranda reunited with her parents very early on in this saga was one of anger, not joy. She was "betrayed" bc the family had the audacity not to tell her first; furious, in fact. See, that messed up her cult narrative. She's no victim's advocate. Her "reporting" is tantamount to defamation and harassment, but bc these people are public figures, she banks on the fact they won't file defamation claims bc, legally, it's very rare for a public figure to win a defamation case, and litigation is very costly. And, of course, to them she's just a lowly KZfaqr. Her association with this documentary has me already questioning the veracity of what these people are saying. She is simply not a trustworthy source of information.
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 23 күн бұрын
Perfectly said!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏💖
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
💯 🎯 I love so much that kj can't delete any of these comments that are fact! U know it's driving her crazy 🤪 😂...she will be on a drunken bender this wkend, screenshotting these comments & writing novels to try n deflect from her criminal behavior. I'm praying that by the end of her lawsuit that she ends up w criminal charges bc defamation in MN is criminal. And the fact that kj has now perjured herself & openly brags about her involvement in this while lying under oath saying she hasn't spread her defamatory statements to any 3rd parties, I hope that's the nail in her coffin. Perhaps the MN DA indicts her on criminal charges & the judge holds her in contempt & jail for the perjury (in addition to the criminal defamation). I also love that KJ keeps saying Robert's suit against her isn't going anywhere will be dismissed & she doesn't care, yet the public court records show the judge telling kj her statements that Shinn is a water boarding human trafficker is "defamatory on its face, unless u have proof of such claims..." So show ur proof & the greatest order in the suit is "defendants motion to dismiss is DENIED." 😅 she was also ordered to answer all interrogatories that she refuses to answer. This whole series is very bad for Netflix bc now I won't believe anything they ever put out bc they obviously don't vet their sources.
@KimSearch865
@KimSearch865 20 күн бұрын
@@goose4397Netflix put out Leaving Neverland… all BS about Michael Jackson… so I wouldn’t put too much faith in their documentaries.
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 4 күн бұрын
Who is this person anyway? Never heard of her in the first place!
@sharondsouza8054
@sharondsouza8054 4 күн бұрын
All this rant doesn't deny that miranda wasn't in a cult so bark somewhere else. And she has done hardly any contribution. THERE ARE OTHERS ON THE PROJECT DOING BETTER CONTRIBUTIONS!!! WATCH IT GUYS!!! SPREAD AWARENESS!
@colleenosullivan857
@colleenosullivan857 24 күн бұрын
I think Netflix is pretty brave putting this out with Katherine Paulson being involved with a deformation lawsuit against her from Robert shin. I wonder how the production co will feel when they are attached to said lawsuit and brought in as witnesses. I won’t watch anything that WOACB is involved in, but I will be waiting for the backlash
@Loohoo2
@Loohoo2 24 күн бұрын
She’s a drunk/ addict herself. She better tread lightly. Her addiction is getting her in toooo deep and we know her now.
@LylaLevin-bd4uk
@LylaLevin-bd4uk 23 күн бұрын
And Miranda is also in that lawsuit against KJ
@LylaLevin-bd4uk
@LylaLevin-bd4uk 23 күн бұрын
Oops forgot this, the judge ordered Robert Shinn could not talk about KJ and KJ couldn’t him. She’s hungry for fame and did so anyway and I’m anxious to see what happens to her
@bomikaelson9963
@bomikaelson9963 23 күн бұрын
same sis. same
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 22 күн бұрын
@@LylaLevin-bd4uk The judge didn't render a gag order on KJ. But these posts she's now making are not helping her defense.
@kentuckygirl8369
@kentuckygirl8369 24 күн бұрын
Katie joy Paulson/Without a Crystal Ball is associated with the making of this film. If you do a simple dive on KZfaq you can see how shady she is. The information this film was gathered by her, according to her. It may be untrustworthy.
@GabrielTheMagolorMain
@GabrielTheMagolorMain 24 күн бұрын
Get a life. There are victims of this cult in this doc sharing their experiences. Your obsessive hate is detrimental to the victims. Absolutely disgusting. You think there’s not a whole team working on these docs vetting the information? 🙄 The confirmation bias is strong with you all.
@kentuckygirl8369
@kentuckygirl8369 24 күн бұрын
@@GabrielTheMagolorMain lol
@withoutacrystalballz1316
@withoutacrystalballz1316 24 күн бұрын
@@GabrielTheMagolorMainthere are more victims of Katie Joy imo than this alleged cult.
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 24 күн бұрын
​@@GabrielTheMagolorMainnothing that person commented is untrue tho. Maybe you should get a life you supporting someone whi made thousands of dollars off Garrisons su1cide.
@debdano44
@debdano44 24 күн бұрын
Google is your friend! Without a Crystal Ball aka Katie Joy is in her 5th defamation lawsuit!
@djbzwaxx421
@djbzwaxx421 3 күн бұрын
This comment section is mad culty 💀
@Skibidiplushies
@Skibidiplushies 23 күн бұрын
Netflix done messed up not researching katie joy properly 😂
@Carly-gp1cv
@Carly-gp1cv 23 күн бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@KayD
@KayD 22 күн бұрын
Right?? Google is free 😅
@HankTex22
@HankTex22 22 күн бұрын
100%
@CherylTobiason
@CherylTobiason 21 күн бұрын
Exactly 💯
@Lillypad-ix7sv
@Lillypad-ix7sv 19 күн бұрын
Netflix doesn’t care about credibility. It’s about money.
@bomikaelson9963
@bomikaelson9963 23 күн бұрын
i love how many comments there are calling out katie joy of without a crystal ball for the trauma vulture that she is. she is absolutely vile, untrustworthy and thinks her opinions are facts. i haven’t seen anything officially attaching her to this project other than her blabbing about being a “consultant” and acting as if she personally solely created this production. she is currently being sued for defamation by robert for saying vile things about him without any proof. this all makes netflix look so bad for not doing more background checks and everything being said in this production is merely hearsay, probably bs as kj is a source (allegedly anyway) - definitely won’t be watching.
@Lambchop7
@Lambchop7 22 күн бұрын
I love this for her. Just like when the news station interviewed her about Ruby Franke. The comments were hilarious. And she can’t delete any of them. 👏🏼
@greenthumbnail1831
@greenthumbnail1831 21 күн бұрын
💯
@bigheadrat9493
@bigheadrat9493 4 күн бұрын
It would've been nice to know about this before I watched the series
@Sami-th9bx
@Sami-th9bx 3 күн бұрын
You're the first one who watched stfu😂
@renny404
@renny404 4 күн бұрын
This is exactly how I thought TikTok dancers’ their brains work. Sometimes stereotyping is accurate.
@marshallartsentertainment3741
@marshallartsentertainment3741 24 күн бұрын
So many non-dancers in this video being called dancers.
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 24 күн бұрын
I mean.... 🤔🤷🏼‍♀️
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
Right!? They shld have titled it "Not good enough dancers who r jilted like Netflixs consultant(kj) so now it's a cult." 😂
@djbzwaxx421
@djbzwaxx421 3 күн бұрын
Robert is that you? 👀
@goose4397
@goose4397 3 күн бұрын
@@djbzwaxx421 toad is that u 👀
@sybel4029
@sybel4029 3 күн бұрын
I feel so sad for the korean sisters
@Melli6000
@Melli6000 23 күн бұрын
It’s really hard to take this documentary seriously when involving somebody like Katie Joy Paulson from WOACB. I am not coming from a religious place, some made up hate group, or malice, I am someone who is truly for victims of many kinds. How can she claim to be an activist for women in cults… and then ridicule, degrade, bully and shame the same women when finally breaking free. I have watched her shame and insight hate on a former cult member for having a medical procedure after enduring a heartbreaking miscarriage. She literally made a video shaming the woman for having the procedure, knowing where her faith was, told everyone it was really an a6ort10n!! This young woman’s social media was being Berated with accusations of the above and telling her she offed HER BABY😢😢 And then Katie went on to engage in making sm posts giving a medical description of the procedure and said the DNC was technically an ab0r710n, I cannot begin to imagine what this woman went through after seeing the hate mob. The young woman took a sm break after the incident. I can think of hundreds of videos where Katie pokes fun at women in cults and even when they do break free(as she claims she wants them to)she then dissects their every move. Not to encourage, standby or send love, but to then shame, degrade and hatefully pick apart their choices. Not that growing up in a cult would take time to rid themselves of their ways… nope. These women breaking free and in the spotlight, better act exactly how Katie needs them to, or she will be there with her following, to shame, bully and ridicule them into, being exactly who she needs them to be. I am just shocked that any reputable production company would choose such a bully to be a part of a documentary with such sensitive content. Content that Katie has used to fill her pockets as she bullys, shames, mocks, and ridicules those in or exiting cults, or cult like atmospheres. FYI, the videos are out there of Katie degrading Miranda…. This is just sad.
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 23 күн бұрын
Exactly! And remember when she claimed that a couple who had their first child was abusing and starving their baby bc it has lost weight. The baby had trouble latching and it was remedied quickly. The mother was crying and traumatized by Kj announcing that lie to her 300k subs. She’s vicious.
@HankTex22
@HankTex22 23 күн бұрын
Very well said!! 100% agree with everything you wrote.
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
​@@Eileen064yep!! And the irony of that whole incident is, KJs own son (who was in daycares the 1st yr or 2 of his life) became a "failure to thrive" after 4 months in his egg donors care & required a feeding tube. Kj doesn't like when ppl bring up the burden she publicly shared all this info on, but it's totally fine for her to do to others. She's the devil & I can't wait til she reaps what she has sewn
@talkingofthetown253
@talkingofthetown253 22 күн бұрын
How about the girls who were on the run from a real cult . She gave up there car and the safe house . She put them in Real Danger ! I can't wait until she loses it all . She did 24 videos on a suicide vet . Berating his family . She was the one who had a hand in bullying him .
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 22 күн бұрын
She started degrading Miranda the minute Miranda resumed contact with her family on that IG post and explained that the reason why there had been no contact had to do with family issues--namely Miranda marrying a man they didn't know half-way across the country and a changing business relationship with her sister--and not cults.
@GigglingHamster
@GigglingHamster 24 күн бұрын
Katie joy cannot be trusted.
@wellingtonnascimento1689
@wellingtonnascimento1689 Сағат бұрын
I just watched. I'm still in shock with this documentary. One thing became very clear: "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it." But at what price?😢
@bambina5604
@bambina5604 4 күн бұрын
jfc so many bots in this comment section
@LazyWolf-hj4ir
@LazyWolf-hj4ir 24 күн бұрын
Hard NO. Katie Joy Paulson of Without A Crystal Ball said she made this documentary. She was cruel to Garrison Brown's family after he unalived himself and posted a fake video of his family's house when they were grieving. If she's involved you know it's fake. She makes up fake stories.
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 23 күн бұрын
@@MahmoudKora-wr4sx Stop spamming!!
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
She also said garrison had disturbing beliefs 2 days before he died
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 19 күн бұрын
@@kandikaye4405 She’s a monster with no redeeming qualities.
@sharondsouza8054
@sharondsouza8054 4 күн бұрын
You can say whatever you want. I have seen the grieving parents on the show. No parent should go through that. It's indeed a cult. And her involvement in this doc is close to none. Let her brag at her small part.
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 4 күн бұрын
Not to mention 3 days before garrison died she accused him of being racist and having disturbing beliefs
@Mr.Perry33
@Mr.Perry33 4 күн бұрын
Another reason why TikTok should be banned and you should never believe in pastors and have your own relationship with God
@yougottrolled5799
@yougottrolled5799 23 сағат бұрын
Agreed and jesus warned us about them.
@Loohoo2
@Loohoo2 23 күн бұрын
Did you use Katie joy???!? 😂😂😂😂
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
No I missed it
@seanb9362
@seanb9362 23 күн бұрын
The comedy we've been waiting for.
@lulub9421
@lulub9421 13 күн бұрын
If Netflix wants a real documentary, maybe look into Katherine Paulson as a topic. She’s left a trail of victims behind her as she’s skipping to the bank. Don’t get involved with Paulson or you’ll be sorry….
@UserName-iq7uu
@UserName-iq7uu 20 күн бұрын
This is what happens when money is dangled to people. You play with fire, you get burned. Use your brains people. Theres life outside of social media.
@hijadelaluna9912
@hijadelaluna9912 Күн бұрын
The best way to help them is to unfollow them, just not support them anymore in any way.
@Boots7807
@Boots7807 24 күн бұрын
Isn’t Miranda currently suing Katie Joy Paulson for defamation because Katie publicly lied about her? How do I know that this production is valid?
@withoutacrystalballz1316
@withoutacrystalballz1316 24 күн бұрын
Yup! And don’t forget Miranda is also suing her for tortious interference for loosing them brand deals.
@arlyandjay
@arlyandjay 23 күн бұрын
Yep 💯 has been for 2 years which is the timeframe this was made in
@christinelaver942
@christinelaver942 23 күн бұрын
Yes she being sued by 7m. She has made so many wild statements with no proof. Although she claims to have sources......a lot of us don't believe a word she says.
@LylaLevin-bd4uk
@LylaLevin-bd4uk 23 күн бұрын
Yep and I hope she gets every penny after KJ tried to destroy her and her dream
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 23 күн бұрын
And tortious interference with a contract, and infliction of emotional distress. That this lawsuit has made it past a motion to dismiss and that the court has ordered Katie to participate in discovery is fantastic for the plaintiffs. The court has already determined it's not legally frivolous.
@iswhatitis94
@iswhatitis94 18 күн бұрын
Who the hell is katie joy? Lol
@HankTex22
@HankTex22 17 күн бұрын
Google her!!
@loricarter3855
@loricarter3855 16 күн бұрын
A wannabe journalist who makes up crap. The drunker she gets the more outrageous her lies become.
@YvieT81
@YvieT81 4 күн бұрын
No the real question is: why does this comment section gets flooded with comments about some Katie Joy? Cult tactics 😉
@tessajones9393
@tessajones9393 3 күн бұрын
These comments and everyone mentioning her is another cult 😂
@millerfamilytrees
@millerfamilytrees 3 күн бұрын
I'm gathering she's the one that makes cults nervous. Clearly from the comment section. 🤣
@Lovingyout
@Lovingyout 24 күн бұрын
I’ve seen some of these dancers on KZfaq. Can’t wait!!!
@tami162
@tami162 21 күн бұрын
I would of been interested in this but since your using Without a Crystal Ball as a source I can’t trust that this documentary is truthful. Katie Joy is a vile, disgusting trauma vulture. Next time get someone that doesn’t have such an awful reputation to source your documentary.
@xxposingkatiejoy150
@xxposingkatiejoy150 4 күн бұрын
Using Katie Joyless has tainted this terribly! @Netflix what do you have to say for yourselves using KJP as a source without checking into her background? We want & DESERVE answers!
@christinelaver942
@christinelaver942 23 күн бұрын
You know this documentary will be problematic because Katie Joy Paulson is claiming to have spearheaded the whole thing. Not sure I'd get any advice from someone who has been in as many defamation lawsuits as she has. She's all about histrionics and exaggeration.
@nathena8
@nathena8 23 күн бұрын
So why do you believe that she was as involved as she says she is? She lies all the time so idk why everyone is so convinced that what she’s saying about the doc is suddenly the truth.
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
​@@nathena8we know kj doesn't tell the truth & probably is exaggerating her involvement. But during kjs bragging of how this is HER project & cldnt have happened wo wilmer Valderrama & Jessica acevedo, everything in this clip is from KJs IG. Oh & 1 of the ppl who countersued Shinn flipped & handed over everything to Shinn. In those mesgs Jessica responds to everyone saying they don't want to work on this project if Katie doy is involved & she said "we understand but we can't get rid of her it's not gonna happen." So it's my opinion KJ paid to have this large scale defamation flix made or its a trap setting the trashbag blogger up.
@nathena8
@nathena8 22 күн бұрын
@@goose4397 yes I know everything that has happened too. Don’t assume that just because I disagree with you that I must not know the whole story. All of the evidence points toward this being a full blown cult and you guys would rather see the 7M member suffer for the rest of their lives if it means proving KJ wrong. Being even more ridiculous and hateful than she is is not going to take her down- you all have been trying for years and it hasn’t happened yet. Maybe try a new approach.
@nathena8
@nathena8 22 күн бұрын
@@goose4397 Cultsyuck was always a bit of a loose cannon and then threw her colleagues under a bus to get herself out of the lawsuit. That’s in no way evidence of Shinn’s innocence. I really believe you all would love to see the 7M members suffer under him forever if it means taking KJ down. The KJ haters are the only ones who believe this isn’t a cult, and by calling their lived experiences into question, you’re doing just as much damage to these dancers as she has. You all have had this approach for years and it has accomplished nothing.
@ezsmum3064
@ezsmum3064 22 күн бұрын
@@nathena8 Cultysuck wisely settled early on in the litigation and handed over her work product etc. as part of the settlement terms, just like Katie Joy gave up her journalistic source and all their conversations so she could save her ass as a defamation defendant in Tati's suit. I have to think reading your comment that perhaps you've not seen all the posts, videos, live streams, and ugly comments KJ made that were shockingly cruel and reckless with the truth on this 7M topic. What you may not understand is, KJ showed us no evidence of a sex-trafficking cult recruiting unsuspecting young dancers. She showed us no evidence that cult membership was required for 7M representation. She showed us no evidence these dancers even went to church. She read allegations from a lawsuit out loud on live streams as if they were facts that had been proven in court--horrible allegations, criminal allegations--but didn't bother telling her audience the lawsuit had been dismissed in favor of Shinn bc the plaintiff, Lydia (who may be in this documentary ), was deemed not credible by the judge. You see how dishonest that is as a reporter? That's not someone who is a truth-seeker, an ethical journalist. She's apparently brainwashed you to think her "haters" want to see the dancers suffer? Get out of here with that melodrama. Her "haters" are simply 15,000+ people with common sense and discernment. We didn't interfere with these young people's contracts, she did. We didn't digitally stalk them, she did. We didn't post videos mocking these "victims," she did. We didn't portray Miranda as a sex-trafficked cult member, she did. We didn't insert ourselves into Miranda's family's real life under the pretext of cult expertise, she did. I think you've got a group of disgruntled people whose careers have been affected by the negative publicity drummed up by KJ and who have decided to seize a legal opportunity.
@michellelowe7082
@michellelowe7082 2 күн бұрын
Never heard of this before
@millerfamilytrees
@millerfamilytrees 3 күн бұрын
If you want to know how brainwashing happens in real time, just read the comment section of this video. A whole lot of repetition and misdirection going on... 🤣
@jenmck23
@jenmck23 2 күн бұрын
Actually you would be inaccurate. I'm not brainwashed or in the cult, a cult victim or hater or whatever else Katie is going around saying. I am a real person who used to be subscribed to her a sadly a paying member to her channel. Katie has a tendency to block and delete any negative comments, comments that disagree with her and of course any comments criticizing her. I don't know who you are or if you've actually done a simple Google search on Katie Joy and Without a Crystal Ball or WOACB, but her public reputation is not very good. This is not misdirection going on. Sure there is repetition in these comments because Katie is a Trauma Vulture who has a very problematic history that has been documented on KZfaq. It is shocking that people would be willing to have Katie Joy involved in this project when she is in an active lawsuit with Robert Shinn and 7m. She is being sued for defamation regarding some of these exact claims. People take issue with this docuseries because of Katie's involvement. She cannot be trusted. She claims to be a "reporter and journalist" but has many examples of not being very ethical. She has caused harm to many people and exploited people's pain and their stories for clicks and views, to make money on KZfaq. The one that irritates me the most is Jenelle Evans or Eason from MTV's Teen Mom 2. I'm not saying I like Jenelle but when you have a DV victim sharing details with you and you claim it's off the record so she feels comfortable to open up and share, what happens to honouring the "journalist integrity", when she ends up going back into the DV cycle? Katie decided to judge Jenelle and rather than contact authorities to privately help this woman and mother, who was very likely in danger and a bad situation, Katie decided to publicly blast the "off the record" DM's on her KZfaq and social media accounts. She not only put Jenelle at risk of major retaliation of her abuser, but also risked the safety of Jenelle's children. Why? Because she was mad that Jenelle went back? Katie claims to be a survivor and should understand how stupid and dangerous that was to do. IMO Katie released those DM's because she felt like the "connection" she made with Jenelle back fired on her and Katie couldn't handle looking like a fool. So Katie decided to go on her KZfaq channel and announce and blast the personal admissions Jenelle gave her about abuse she suffered at the hands of her husband. Please explain to me how this is ok? As a survivor myself, that incident sticks with me and is why I'm so vocal on my stance regarding Katie and her involvement with victims.
@judokick9546
@judokick9546 24 күн бұрын
the video at the begining kinda looks like an act to me
@Boots7807
@Boots7807 23 күн бұрын
With Katie Joy Paulson this could be as fake as Baby Reindeer. Has anyone asked Miranda what she wants for her life? Maybe after this released Miranda can appear on a talk show and give her side of the story.
@flyingmomlaura8723
@flyingmomlaura8723 22 күн бұрын
I hope after her lawsuit, which I hope she wins. That she will finally come out and retell her side of the story. Since, she has tried to say from the beginning.
@sharondsouza8054
@sharondsouza8054 4 күн бұрын
She didn't go to her grandfather's funeral can you believe that??Everyone is asking her what's wrong? And all she says is controlling this and controlling that!? Her husband stayed 7 weeks at her house and they didn't feel controlled? They kept visiting even after going to LA. There are phone calls and conversations and you are saying she isn't brainwashed!? I want to know her side of story for not visiting her grandfather's funeral!!
@flyingmomlaura8723
@flyingmomlaura8723 4 күн бұрын
@@sharondsouza8054 I didn't go to my Grandfathers' funeral and we were very close. I wasn't prepared at the time to deal with the death of him. I was young also. There is so much more to not going to anyone's funeral and make a blanket judgement over that is just wrong. She explained her side of the story and the events at that time. Her family isn't this picture perfect family that they like to portray.
@sharondsouza8054
@sharondsouza8054 4 күн бұрын
@@flyingmomlaura8723 SHE WASN'T YOUNG!!! SHE WAS AN ADULT!!! AND LYING TO NOT VISIT YOUR GRAMPS FUNERAL IS NO REASON!!!! THIS DOC ISN'T ABOUT HER!!! WOMEN ARE RAPED!!! Did you lie to your parents too? said you had covid or something?? as a teen if you don't want to grieve and escape from reality is one thing but as an adult you need to show basic responsibility towards the dead!!! Especially towards a loving one!!! don't give me that crap about oh it must have been her way of dealing. You don't have to lie like this to deal!!! It's so selfish
@cjb2749
@cjb2749 24 күн бұрын
I'm sorry, but this "documentary" lost all credibility when they decided to involve katie joy; the professional poser and notorious liar behind 'without a crystal ball', an egregiously exploitative reality tv gossip channel on KZfaq.
@kentuckygirl8369
@kentuckygirl8369 24 күн бұрын
Exactly. Katie Joy Paulson is completely untrustworthy and very shady.
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 24 күн бұрын
Absolutely agree!
@lulub9421
@lulub9421 24 күн бұрын
Well said! What the hell was Netflix thinking putting their reputation on the line by using Katherine Paulson for anything? All those involved in this will learn the hard way to verify their sources as Katherine’s known to compensate individuals to do her dirty work. She lies, cheats, steals all in the name of greed and clout. Be expecting a defamation lawsuit Netflix -,you worked with the Queen of Defamation
@Nikki38
@Nikki38 24 күн бұрын
💯
@majczeslaw5037
@majczeslaw5037 4 күн бұрын
How is she invloved in this movie? I can't find the info and I don't know who she is
@jasonpittmon2036
@jasonpittmon2036 23 сағат бұрын
It's crazy to have loved a lot of the content, never knowing it had such a dark side associated with it!?!
@ClaudioSanchez324
@ClaudioSanchez324 22 күн бұрын
Wow. Who decided Katie Joy is a reliable source for anything? As long as it's lining her pockets. She's the biggest trauma vulture I've ever seen.
@kaydefreese7586
@kaydefreese7586 18 күн бұрын
I'm not watching if Kathy Joyless Paulson is involved in any way. That woman cannot be trusted.
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
Well you’re missing out then aren’t you! You could be learning how dangerous this man and his cult is!
@austingray6885
@austingray6885 22 күн бұрын
Is Tight Eyez part of 7M? Is this the reason all the krumpers he mentored fell out with him?
@flyingmomlaura8723
@flyingmomlaura8723 22 күн бұрын
He is apart of 7M. But, 7M is not the reason; but, there is an interesting story about all the reasons why some fell out with him.
@in4med4ever
@in4med4ever 3 күн бұрын
There’s no sin except the sin of abusing another by exercising one’s power…
@ljc5277
@ljc5277 24 күн бұрын
Holy shit, I used to follow a couple of these folks on Instagram before tiktok was super huge, I hope they're doing better now
@emptyheart09
@emptyheart09 24 күн бұрын
Oh, wait I remember coming across this on TikTok 2 years ago and being amazed by thinking the whole thing was batshit crazy. I remember watching some videos of this particular family talking about losing contact with their sister/ daughter (not sure if it was Miranda's family). It could be the same family in this video I'm still not sure but it's incredibly sad seeing them still going through this. She needs to come back to her family and wish every of these families to get their children back. The trailer makes it seem like this dude is still out here ruining lives. Does that mean he is not being investigated? Mind-blowing
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 24 күн бұрын
Shes an adult & living her best life to this day. Her name is Miranda & she sees & spends time with her family.
@slimcakes504
@slimcakes504 24 күн бұрын
Hahahah she's not being kept from her family the whole family's posted pics on ig together AND tiktoks. Sending birthday wishes to each other! She's a grown adult shes allowed to choose to do what she wants!!
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
These are adults, not children, who made their own decisions. In fact Melanie wilkings brought her sister into 7m, only when Miranda was seen as the better dancer did Melanie n her parents claim it was a cult. Also they were together at Christmas. Netflix shld have never worked w rhe youtuber Katie doy, she's not an investigative journalist 😂
@BeautyInYOU583
@BeautyInYOU583 Күн бұрын
⁠@@slimcakes504so your saying her and her family made this up to sell this doc??? 😅😅😅😅😢😢
@slimcakes504
@slimcakes504 Күн бұрын
@@BeautyInYOU583 no never said that but the whole doc fell short imo I've been following this 7m/Shekinah Church mess since before it became viral 2 yrs ago...i was watching everything play out even before the family made their plea for help video. There's just a bunchhhh of information that was left out I'm sure intentionally and a lot of drama behind the scenes that just makes me view everything completely different vs someone who's just learning about it! One thing we will agree on is Robert Shinn is not a good guy! 😕
@Moniq20
@Moniq20 4 сағат бұрын
A lot of bots in the comment section. Kinda gives this documentary more credibility.
@KayD
@KayD 22 күн бұрын
I'd be interested if it wasnt for the fact you had a youtube drama channel as a 'consultant' on this, one who's being sued, and stalked poor miranda to the point she was scared for her life 😢 "Without a crystal ball" shared Mirandas home address and had her minions stalk her, taking photos. She body shamed her, criticised her dancing, and IMO even made racist stereotype accusations about mirandas husband being a deadbeat dad because he's black. She boasted to cops about earning 90 thousand dollars for making gossip videos about missing 💀 victim Gabby Petito 😢 Did you ask Miranda about her feelings? How she was scared of her father when he tried to stop her from leaving? That they reported her husband as 'kidnapping' her purely because they didnt want her marrying a black guy!
@natashanault
@natashanault 2 күн бұрын
New to all of this. EXCUSE ME MA’AM WHAT ?! 😱
@ireefree2024
@ireefree2024 Күн бұрын
Her sisters fiance isn't white either. So this is a bot or false statement
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 21 күн бұрын
I think Netflix should hire a real investigative journalist & look into the trauma vulture that is Katie Joy Paulson of Without a Crystal Ball. The things she had done to people which in my opinion getting the law on another KZfaqr being 1 of them. Or lying in court documents that included false claims of sexual harassment against another KZfaqr. Someone should definitely do a piece on how dangerous KZfaqrs gossiping can be. She has hurt many people. Sadly mostly women in alleged cults. It's incredibly frustrating how some busy body like her can attack & ridicule strangers & make thousands upon thousands of dollars off a kids Su1cide. I'm personally sick of the woman. The day shes held accountable will be a good day.
@ErichToven
@ErichToven 5 күн бұрын
Trauma vulture. Damn.. I'll remember that word.
@80sbaby530
@80sbaby530 4 күн бұрын
That would actually be a good documentary about all the crappy things she has done.
@heidihanson1892
@heidihanson1892 24 күн бұрын
Seriously?!? Katie Joy Paulson contributed to this? If so, don’t call it a documentary. You’ve lost credibility before it was even released.
@CherylTobiason
@CherylTobiason 21 күн бұрын
😊
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
Kj is the tabloids of youtube
@jerrifite4401
@jerrifite4401 9 сағат бұрын
Finally it will be revealed why all those dancers like Vik and Miranda and B Dash only dance to the same 5 oldies songs!! And why they wear awkward clothing. Why they never just engage with their followers like normal people. And why their comment sections are filled with universal praise and adoration. Their whole shtick is soooo strange!!
@jjohnson2914
@jjohnson2914 23 күн бұрын
Oh no, Katie Joy is associated with this documentary?! She has harassed and falsely accused soooooo many people with her outrageous lies!!!! Netflix needs to fact check before releasing documentaries like this!!! I feel so bad for Miranda. Now I can see why she cut off her family!!!
@LylaLevin-bd4uk
@LylaLevin-bd4uk 23 күн бұрын
Absolutely! They are responsible for their daughter cutting them off and to bring in someone like KJ who is thirsty for chaos and lies to tell on complete strangers is disgusting. Miranda begged them to stop. KJ’s comment was you hit someone where it huts and they’ll come back. That’s when her idiots got a dozen contracts cancelled that Miranda had. She cut off her money. However, no one expected she would continue her life and NOT come home. She’s a part of the lawsuit against KJ with 7M and I pray justice is served and for every single person she’s tried to destroy
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 23 күн бұрын
I don’t think that they are even going to have her name in the credits from the way she’s talking. 😂😂😂
@jjohnson2914
@jjohnson2914 22 күн бұрын
@@LylaLevin-bd4uk YESSS 👏
@goose4397
@goose4397 22 күн бұрын
I'm hoping that after Netflix reads all these comments & sees ppl canceling their subscriptions to them bc they worked w kj, that they don't even air this. And then I hope they sue kj for all the $$ they lost. She defrauded them when she said she's a journalist w facts 😂
@awesumtoast97
@awesumtoast97 15 күн бұрын
​@@goose4397 netflix doesn't care about people canceling their subs. They proved that multiple times from when they did can't share passwords thing and the raising prices multiple times. All it takes is one good show or a handful for them to gain back their popularity. They got a shit ton of subscribers from Stranger Things and Bridgerton alone.
@td9953
@td9953 23 күн бұрын
Katie Joy? What a joke! Shame on Netflix and the production company for involving such a very easily researched person who is literally always the one abusing others. The list is way too long of her own crimes against people she claims to want to help to take this seriously. She even got Jessa Duggar canceled from a sponsorship after claiming how much she wanted her to be free from her family. And that is the least of her abuses but a perfect example of the family she has made the most money with absolutely no real care. Everyone needs to do their own research on Without a Crystal Ball aka Katie Joy Paulson...She is the shitshow a documentary will be made about her someday.
@_Matilde96
@_Matilde96 19 күн бұрын
Who is Katie?? And what did she do ???
@_Matilde96
@_Matilde96 19 күн бұрын
I mean she’s a dancer ?
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
Was she really involved?
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
​@@_Matilde96she's a trash tabloid youtuber with major issues and no credibility. She's been sues multiple times. She called the fbi on her husband accusing him of hiding Brian laundries so she could get swatted. And when she fidntt get swatted shemade up a lie like she was. She's vile trash. Her and her followers
@suzannetitkemeyernlq
@suzannetitkemeyernlq 19 күн бұрын
@@kandikaye4405 She absolutely was involved, claiming to have a huge role in the creation of this documentary, claiming Robert Shinn (7M) was suing her to stop the documentary without acknowledging she accused him on waterboarding dancers and sex trafficking them.
@kaber759
@kaber759 17 күн бұрын
You don't think the movie studios and TV stations do the same things?
@dazai_LOL77
@dazai_LOL77 23 күн бұрын
If you used Katie Joy as a source, I will be canceling my premium subscription. LMAO... Boycott netflix!!
@Boots7807
@Boots7807 23 күн бұрын
Cancel Katie Joy Paulson
@CherylTobiason
@CherylTobiason 21 күн бұрын
You and a million others
@kateluxor2986
@kateluxor2986 21 күн бұрын
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You and everyone's grandmother. Shut the hell up.
@msde625
@msde625 3 күн бұрын
If ANYONE takes my child from me, THEY WILL NO LONGER BREATHE ON THEIR OWN!
@Tee_Gee_
@Tee_Gee_ 2 күн бұрын
Miranda is an adult. Why do people keep talking about her like she's a 5 year old that was kidnapped... 😳
@sweet_tea-dq9cy
@sweet_tea-dq9cy 23 күн бұрын
Without A Crystal Ball?? You don’t vet sources? What a joke. Canceling Netflix!
@molleigh3820
@molleigh3820 23 күн бұрын
Katie lies a lot though and always overplays her roles. She probably has nothing to do with this production. Hopefully bc I want to watch it. But not if she’s in it.
@kandikaye4405
@kandikaye4405 19 күн бұрын
Yes we can't trake her word as she's delusional
@melissafeimer
@melissafeimer 23 күн бұрын
Who’s going to believe any documentary that uses Katie Joy Paulson (Without a Crystal Ball )as a source? 😂 Did anyone google her before considering her a trustworthy source of information? This is a pathetic, Netflix. 😂
@Unknown-us3ii
@Unknown-us3ii 5 сағат бұрын
I'll tell you what, nobody is gonna believe someone who uses full names XD, you sound like those bots who say "have you heard of Marry Jean Holdings, since I she helped me I've made 40 Millions per year" hahaha, and under that comment you find more bots using her full name and making their stupid claims.
@TheTweetybird1122
@TheTweetybird1122 19 сағат бұрын
This is heartbreaking & horrifying that shin has evaded consequences for 30yrs. Hell is waiting for him tho
@zanefields2593
@zanefields2593 3 күн бұрын
comment section is super weird
@tamb7587
@tamb7587 Күн бұрын
For any REAL CHRISTIANS WATCHING THIS PLEASE PRAY THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE LURED IN BY THIS CULT WILL HAVE THEIR EYES OPENED.. Pray that God will send waring angels to do battle with the evil force’s that this cult has over these young people and for the scales to be removed from their eyes so they can be freed from this man and his cult!
@samdasilva1914
@samdasilva1914 Күн бұрын
Wishing the family all the best. My only comments are that I would liked to have heard the father speak more, his wife constantly interrupted or talked over him. The sister talking about moving forward "not for social media", when she lives her life on social media is a little hypocritical, and continues to use her sister´s story for her to gain social media fame.
@slimcakes504
@slimcakes504 24 күн бұрын
Will yall be showing how Miranda's 100% intouch with her parents present day?? I sure don't reply to birthday post from my father since I've cut him out of my life like Miranda's doing lol Maybe Melanie should have never locker her own sister out their joint tiktok account then change the pw while pocketing alllllll of the money they both earned on that app together!! Is it Miranda's fault she has more star quality then Melanie? (Im sure I'll be accused of being a cult member too like Katherine Paulson likes to do when others have different opinions, cant delete and block this message can you KJ?) 💅
@withoutacrystalballz1316
@withoutacrystalballz1316 24 күн бұрын
According to Katie we are all apart of a cult simply because we don’t like her and call her out
@mistiemo1665
@mistiemo1665 24 күн бұрын
I support your comment. Miranda is living her best life & for whatever reason we need a film bc a sister was jealous. Lord child.
@Loohoo2
@Loohoo2 24 күн бұрын
Yep, a family of jealousy after the real prize gave em the slip. Bravo! !!!!
@yomamashouldslapyou2654
@yomamashouldslapyou2654 24 күн бұрын
I've always thought Melanie was just jealous that Miranda really took off once she started focusing on content with her husband. Probably bitter that all of her wedding content is still not getting her anywhere near the following Miranda has.
@Eileen064
@Eileen064 23 күн бұрын
I hope Miranda sues Netflix too!
@andreafaldon5026
@andreafaldon5026 4 сағат бұрын
I use to watch Vik and Maranda dance all the time. This reminds me of the one cult with the girl from the show Smallville.
@shaziyakapadia
@shaziyakapadia 24 күн бұрын
Releasing on my birthday lol
@texunclesam1023
@texunclesam1023 24 күн бұрын
Damn Netflix always coming 🔥🔥🔥🔥 no diddy
@michellemobley1
@michellemobley1 24 күн бұрын
Period no diddler allowed 😂
@zeroregrets5901
@zeroregrets5901 21 күн бұрын
Yea and a big hard NO not watching if Netflix used that trauma vulture Katherine joy Paulson absolutely not ya all should of done your research some docu using that hack nope.
@foeshizzel
@foeshizzel 3 күн бұрын
Can you explain? I never heard of her.
@NinjaGrrrl7734
@NinjaGrrrl7734 3 күн бұрын
​@@foeshizzelshe courts victims to make videos about and then reveals their secrets or betrays them in other ways. Every person who has worker with her has regretted it. There's a LOT of history.
@djbzwaxx421
@djbzwaxx421 3 күн бұрын
@@foeshizzel she had nothing to do with this doc, ignore the cult members in the comment section. The doc goes back way further than just the tiktok dancers. Roberts been a cult leader for decades.
@D-Britt
@D-Britt 22 күн бұрын
Zero credibility if Katie Joy is involved. Very disappointing you didn't vet her properly. Will NOT be watching this "documentary."
@jessg101
@jessg101 20 күн бұрын
Omg, you will not watch it😢😢😢😢😢
@D-Britt
@D-Britt 19 күн бұрын
@@jessg101 Out of all the comments on this thread talking about how Katie Joy has zero creditability, you chose mine to be a smart-ass on...why is that exactly? 🤔
@LaurieDesAutels
@LaurieDesAutels 17 күн бұрын
Who is Katie Joy?
@D-Britt
@D-Britt 4 күн бұрын
@@LaurieDesAutels Just read thru the comments below and it will explain exactly who she it.
@djbzwaxx421
@djbzwaxx421 3 күн бұрын
​@@D-BrittShes not in the credits. At all. Yall trippin.
@g_zon_
@g_zon_ 3 күн бұрын
miranda reminds me of that one actress playing zac efron’s fiancé in dirty grandpa
@user-fi8jq9wo2u
@user-fi8jq9wo2u 4 күн бұрын
The devil is busy, yall...Sad to see families destroyed.. I've seen one cult documentary after another. All classic signs... At the end of the day, Karma is a B, and every person will have their day
@DumOne-fc5jb
@DumOne-fc5jb 24 күн бұрын
Netflix is gonna lose credibility with this one.
@lulub9421
@lulub9421 24 күн бұрын
Big time! It says a lot about their credibility to use a known KZfaq scammer as a source. Katherine Paulson will say and do anything to get out of the latest defamation lawsuit against her by Robert Shinn. Her entire livelihood is on the table, think she’s going to be honest here? Nope!
@zeroregrets5901
@zeroregrets5901 21 күн бұрын
Yep I won’t even consider watching it
@brendapaws7933
@brendapaws7933 17 күн бұрын
I thought they lost credibility with long ago with cuites.
@francinejones2524
@francinejones2524 3 күн бұрын
I doubt it. I think they’ll be praised for getting the real truth out there. It would be great to see that bull-face Robert Shin arrested and behind bars for some years. I look forward to watching the trial one day on Netflix.
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