Hi Brian, great job, but please could you tell me your storch flying weight? i think it´s a little heavy due to all the scale parts, i got the balsa kit so i started from the beginning and at this moment my storch is around 1kg only with the engine 25osmax but i want to be under 1.5kg when add the radio system and the monokote cover, thanks in advance

I'm very glad to hear you say this. We try not to glaze over these sometimes glaring issues, but want to acknowledge our own limitations up against a very good model, otherwise. I think this plane could be so much more, but it really needs an EXPERT ARF builder.

Our pleasure! Thanks Eric!!!

You're welcome, and yes, Dancing Wings seems to make a good plane. I think I could make this fly better if I were to deviate from the instructions on certain areas. I hope others who build ARF's chime in and suggest some improvements to make her fly as good as she should.

It does look great!

LOL - Glad you "GOT IT" ;) I'm always trying to be sensitive to the extremely sensitive viewers out there - LOL ;) There are a lot of them. As for PPL - I hope you decide to do it, if it works for your lifestyle. As I progress through the ranks in the PPG stuff (Ranks - I'm on PPG rank 0.1 - LOL) Glad you're here with us Joseph!

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it ;)

YES! Agreed. I feel that there are some possible improvements that could be added to this model to really improve it's capabilities.

@@BrianPhillipsRC Add a lot of lightness. Take off and land into headwind with care.

You're welcome! I think this plane could be MADE to fly better, FYI, but you got the real deal on this plane for sure!

Could be. This plane is heavy, and high wing loading for a purported STOL aircraft, but admittedly, my control surfaces are less than perfect, but I tried my best to get them as exact as possible.

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More than 20+ hours...

Thanks, and me too - I was super glad it fared so well!!! I was also very surprised how strong it was!

KZfaq limits videos to 12 hours or 256GB in one video...we learned this while doing this video ;) LOL!!!

Wow, where r u from?

Okay - Thanks!

WOW! Cool!!!

Thank you!

The quality of the build! Wow!

I don't know if I may be missing something, or if there's been a technical difficulty, but I fell like I keep seeing your comment over and over again. If I've replied like 4-5 times, please accept my apologies.

@@BrianPhillipsRC I think I gave similar comments two different videos, Duh!. Your videos are great!

I also think the very minor indisparity between the left and right slats, doesn't help. Any symmetry I achieved was very hard fought, in deed, but much more pain and suffering would be necessary for 100% operation. I was bummed that they didn't seem to do anything, but agree it's possible my deployment was somewhere between WAY too much and too much.

AWESOME! I was totally thinking about that!!!!! So glad someone is trying it out, and excited to see how it works out.

I see!

LOL - Good idea!!!

yes - this one was so much work to build, and a huge let down in flight performance, but to tall their own ;)

Sure is! Your concerns are not unfounded ;)

I want them to be on a FOAMY where the geometry is perfected for us, since it is so hard the way these were installed. A jig needed to be send along with the pieces, or instructions make a jig.

Looks are good, but flight performance was lack-luster :( It could be made to fly good with some more TLC, I believe. My screws holding the nose section (motor box) had protruded into the cavity, stopping insertion of a lighter 2200mAh 4S pack, which would have helped a lot, without giving up the CG. This might be worth trying, if you get it.

@@BrianPhillipsRC thanks for the additional insight - it’s a beautiful airplane - I will definitely consider it! I look forward to your next review.

YEAH, but that's been untrue for many recent planes... I just think there's something about the way the wings sweep that's causing them to get out of true for flight???

@@BrianPhillipsRC Well, I'm still pretty much a rookie. You are a very good rc pilot...so if you're having a hard time with that airplane, I wouldn't touch it! I enjoy your channel, by the way.

Glad you liked it!! Wish I could get her flying a bit better, but even that being said, LONG build means lots of work, and not sure most people would be real happy getting blind-sided with a 20-25 hours build! ;)

Thanks ;)

Thanks!

I feel the same way.

It is beautiful, but I wanted better flight performance for such a large time investment.

I hope you have great luck, or at least better than me ;)

FoF videos - I don't know what you mean Gary???

@@BrianPhillipsRC Fantasy of Flight, Kermit Weeks videos.

Good pointers on the possible improvements on this model. Sig used to print something like this in their manuals - "some experience required for optimal performance" (or some such thing) and this would be very true on this model, and many ARF's...so hopefully through our build video, these more experienced builders can come up with a good measure of quality on this model, despite my concerns. yes, agreed about the Dynam PT-17 and WACO - these were good ones!

Thanks Rick!

yes

So cool I had to come back and watch again 😆🔥

Thanks!!!!

I'd say, as configured, 100% absolutely not. I wanted this plane to fly slow, but it barely flew fast. Sometimes planes don't perform the way we want them too, and this is a large reason for watching our reviews, I assume. If you want to see IF the plane will be as good as the MFG claims, we will help decide for yourself before making the investment. Thanks for being here with us!

It sure is!

You explained my experience almost EXACTLY. Glad it wasn't just me!!! I sometimes feel a bit "inferior" of a builder of ARF's but then I'm like...wait a minute...I'm not THAT BAD (...am I???) As for the build quality & strength - it's not terrible, but I want it to fly as good or better than it looks, but like you said, it does fly, and I think the folding wings would still be good with a removable bolt (right???) Anyway, thanks Chuck! P.S. I can't believe you fly her without stabilization! She bites EVEN WITH STAB!

I doubt that I'd fly her on a windy day. On an pretty calm day, she's pretty stable in the air. It's really just the landing that I have problems. She doesn't like slow flight. I didn't notice any of the signs of tail-heaviness that you'd mentioned. I can't get the larger batteries, like you used, into the battery bay; I think that a 4S-2700mah, moderately low C rating, was as big as I could get into the battery bay.

Possibly. I was hoping for amazing slow flight performance....

Thanks Sandra

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Thanks!

Thanks Nick!

Thanks!

This is a true right of RC passage ;)

No, not the Draco - that would be a really bad choice, and way too expensive and hard to fix...GREAT PLANE, but terrible choice for a beginner...and honestly, dangerous. It's way too much plane for even a "natural". There are aspects of the Draco that could be doable for a NEW pilot...you know, like a person who's been flying with SAFE only for a few months, and in the right environment, you could pull it off, but I wouldn't recommend it. The Timber Evo 1.5m is a much better, "Grow into it" kinda plane, but even it, is somewhat "dangerous" for a total new pilot, in my personal experience. Again, second plane, no doubt - with loads of practice on the FIRST, you could totally move into a Timber Evo 1.5m. There are a ton of great choices, and FYI, flying fixed wing and flying heli's are very similar, so when you get one, you kinda get a great start on the other too! Same with Quads (drones) and other aircraft. Also, we're here to help, as you work your way through the ranks...no BS here, we want you to get started right away, but in the right way, so you have a good, positive experience! Here's our our BEGINNER LIST... Description | Purchase | Videos Habu STS 70mm RTF - bit.ly/38Kilv1 - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc5fYbIobNAtMUz2EoT7FGLl Apprentice 1.5m RTF bit.ly/2OIjVHd - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc4LA2ldEUZQMVWkJpCslxRc Carbon Cub S2 1.3m RTF bit.ly/3bS2r3O - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc4Y9gQ5S22B_3SXmtqylcmM T-28 Trojan 1.1m bit.ly/3eOh9Lk - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc6-_gHuXM6a1Nf_2nRxrmlc Apprentice 1.2m RTF bit.ly/2OIjVHd - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc43Qw4KNOOfzt14n6ZBo3LS Sport Cub S2 UMX bit.ly/3cDYUW1 - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc5gY8qX_x8kAJq3glGMXjDy AeroScout 1.1m - bit.ly/30MNn1c - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rMyKjbSJ3Z3OhWg.html Trekker 1.2 RTF bit.ly/34jhgLZ | PNP bit.ly/35xOPu8 - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc7b7RhCrnT4x4AYrqRVhFHf Bigfoot 1.3m RTF - bit.ly/30mYdOq - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc7elVLLXihkLRs_J4QQ0Hm- Pioneer 620mm RTF - bit.ly/2YotgbY - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc5DZarP-qgPO3IEliNvnPuP Prodigy 1.4m RTF - bit.ly/37zJxzt - kzfaq.info/sun/PLXTH0DstRDc4_0cKHioZSQLqFkVdjj7mh

Yeah, this plane never instilled enough confidence to make me want to slow down much at all! It was like the opposite of the PT-17 - which was very good.

LOL - "...because I'm an idiot...." - sounds like something I would say!!! As for being safe, and doing 3D...wear a helmet ;) Practice on a simulator if you CAN, and I don't suggest Flapperons. They will tend to make you balloon in a bad attitude for harrier, in my opinion. As for setting up and using flapperons, you would want to do an ELEVATOR to FLAP mix, and you don't need it. The 3D planes are already tooooooooooooo dang pitch sensitive in my experience. My advice...make a NO Expo or -10% Expo on all three control axis and flip to that mode, using it exclusively in 3D flying, then get back to an ORDINARY EXPO level when you're ready to just sport fly again... This will give you more authority QUICKER, and less complex...plus you don't give up AS3X and SAFE.

@@BrianPhillipsRC thank you, man. I will try that next time I fly. You guys are the best.

Thanks for the tips!!!

They're on a separate channel, so I could just shut off the MIX. Good idea. The Flaps on this plane are small. I was surprized and very disappointed in the slow flight characteristics of this plane. It seems to crash right through ground effect too! Bad place to have an unexpected stall - LOL ;) I do agree the SLATS are creating some asymmetry, especially with less than perfect, uneven deployment.

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The TT Evo is a really good plane, flies well and is relatively forgiving. I would recommend not installing the leading edge slats until you're sure you want them. I actually removed mine because the plane has so much lift and float even without them. Also, the plane is easier to pick-up and handle with the slats off. I have the yellow 1.1m T-28 and love it as a basic flier, I'm sure the 1.2 T-28 w/retracts is very good too. But honestly my newest favorite flier is the 1.1 RV-7, it's really a multi-dimensional plane depending on 3S or 4S and how you want to fly.

@@gmorphan That for your comments

We did this a ton back in the infancy of our channel, but we've found that we don't have time to modify the planes like I used too. The T-28 is excellent, and if you want to made that mod, you could follow along one of my many earlier mod video - like the Spitfire 1.2m (playlists is available for you)

@@BrianPhillipsRC Thanks Brian

You're getting my opinion, loud and clear, BUT like you said, I might have made a mistake, like you suggested. I don't THINK I did, but I know for sure, I've made mistakes like this before ;)

To be honest, when I want to size a motor, I look at a similar ARF, PNP, or BNF, and see what they used, then find something similar. I don't really do the math, as I find it's pretty much worthless, and super subjective anyway, so I've found best thing to do it get in the range, and if shipping is expensive, get TWO sizes...then you can go up and down. Also, you have to work out the prop size and pitch...that's another tough thing, but it often times makes more sense to START THERE first...then size the motor and esc back. What does your MFG suggest for prop size and pitch? Then go back into the motor, then back into the ESC/Battery.

I wasn't concerned with the look, but concerned with keeping it airborne. I also think the prop pitch was a bad match...needs LESS pitch. Also, one thing I learned later, was that I couldn't get the 2200mAh all the way up behind the motor due to my screw placement...thus I needed a bigger pack to sort out the CG. Getting a smaller pack, further forward, would have helped tremendously...as would a less steep prop pitch.

I am a fan of the full scale plane, and this one too. It's a beauty, but I just think the difference between my outcome and the outcome of an extremely skilled ARF builder would be the difference between a good flying plane and what we had...which is unfortunate, given the fact that I'm not a terrible builder either...it's pretty evident where I struggle, but I don't fancy myself a complete RC slouch either. I fear a bad builder would have a VERY bad experience with this plane, and a great builder will still have trouble making it fly much better than what we experienced. I think there's too many parts that are too hard to control to make it go together as good as it needs to go together for the best outcome. Not sure if this rings true for you, but I wasn't impressed with the build, and was even less impressed with the fly-ability. BUT you have to look at my review through the sphere of me wanting NOT to spend 20+ hours on a build, and the fact that we're having to film it all...this plays a part, and hope you get this.

@@BrianPhillipsRC Yes, totally.

it's pretty tough - for sure!

LOL - I think this might be a bit of a nuance ;)

LOL ;)

It's almost done processing HD, then 4K will be a bit longer still. Sorry for the delay!!!

Thanks Lance!

Thanks Shane!

You mean, the way I'm describing the plane???? (I hope that's what you meant - LOL)

@@BrianPhillipsRC lol yes

Congrats!

he literally has thousands of hours flight time on the front of his house. I'm sure he's fully aware of the obstacles and their distances.

Armin - yes, the power lines are a bit of a challenge - I've flown between and through them, around them many times, and into them. I actually kinda enjoy that aspect, but we're in the process of negotiating with the power company to have them all buried...it's going to be pretty pricey, so not super excited about that, but for my PPG (Powered Paragliding) I want the higher safety margins...RC is not as critical, but when it's me flying next to the lines, I don't want them there at all ;) As for close quarters flying, this has always been part of my experience. I like it that way. ;)

You're welcome. I wanted so much more from it, but it's not a terrible plane, and didn't want to make that the point of the video. Missing hardware on an ARF or ARF plus is regrettably very common, btw - even with HH stuff!!! - but at the end of the day, week, month - LOL - I wanted this plane to fly like the PT-17. Save you cash and get that. It is PHENOMENAL, the PT-17.

Are you kidding, I crash the NEW ones already - LOL ;)

Dang!!! You were are target audience - LOL ;) PS, there's more too - Build Part 5 - LOL!