THE SWORD OF KAIGEN

THE SWORD OF KAIGEN - REVIEW

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4 жыл бұрын

My review of The Sword Of Kaigen by M L Wang. The future of the fantasy genre?
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@DanielGreeneReviews 4 жыл бұрын

With time, I have come to LOVE this book more and more. Sword of Kaigen deserved a RAVE review which I just wasn't doing yet.

@ninjajoe17 4 жыл бұрын

Please use your influence to make Steven pacey do the audiobook. Wishful thinking on my part I know.

@marcusmusings 4 жыл бұрын

if you have a Kindle Unlimited subscription

@RyanMacWilliams 4 жыл бұрын

I just checked and, unless I am mistaken, it looks like it is no longer free.

@WhitneyDahlin 4 жыл бұрын

Can there please be a spoiler section in at least some of your reviews? That way those of us who want an in actual depth review can get one while those who don't want spoilers can click off the video before the spoiler section? How are we supposed to know what you're talking about when you refer to characters and plot points and themes if you're just giving vague opinions with zero details? 98% of all booktubers cater exclusively to those of us who don't want spoilers instead of compromising and making videos for the other half of us who do want actual in depth reviews and opinions on plot points and character development too. At least half of us don't care about spoilers and only like three or four booktubers make videos for us. Why do the people who don't want spoilers get catered to while the other of half of us are totally ignored when it would be very easy to make a video where the first part is non spoilers and the second part is spoilers and detailed that way everyone is happy! Not telling you what to do with your channel or anything and I hope I'm not coming off that way I just know that there are many many people who feel the same way as I do and it's so frustrating to hear these weird vague "reviews" where there are no examples to backup your opinion, no explanation on why the character arc's were or weren't well done, no discussion on plot points at all, no explanation of themes, no examples of why or why not the writing wasn't well done ECT you might as well be reading a good reads summary of the book and then ending the video.

@krle24 4 жыл бұрын

Almost $4 is almost free, but not quite. :D

@Jmerithew87 4 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer when you do videos like this even if they don’t appeal to everyone. It’s nice to see someone giving lesser known things exposure, and not just covering what’s hot.

@Tksteve8 4 жыл бұрын

2Spooky4U 100%! This was not on my radar and now I’m hoping to fit it in my 2020 reading list!

@princessthyemis 4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree!!!!

@morryau 4 жыл бұрын

its why i listen to Daniels reviews. He has pointed me at books that i would never have known about.

@thejohnsanger 4 жыл бұрын

Misaki is one my favorite fantasy characters. He arc is so heartbreaking at times and beautifully written. Sword of Kaigen is a true hidden gem

@kaystoneside9840 4 жыл бұрын

Just wanted you to know that you're one of the reasons I've gotten back into reading. I'm sure I'm not the only who feels that way. Appreciate your work dude.

@TheGeekyHippie 4 жыл бұрын

He and Merphy Napier both have had the same influence on me. Heck, I even signed up to Goodreads.

@jordendarrett1725 4 жыл бұрын

Same, I got back into reading and writing when I first found this channel

@siddhanthravichandran3245 4 жыл бұрын

Ikr? It's like having a reading buddy

@matthewszasz1895 Жыл бұрын

Definitely, I was in a reading slump waiting for either another Dresden or Doors of Stone. It helped to get a direction to go with for branching out to new series and authors.

@nathanaelkadron6974 7 ай бұрын

Same here.

@KaterinaDeAnnika 4 жыл бұрын

One aspect to consider is that Chinese, Korean, and Japanese story structure and narrative is different. It's called kishōtenketsu. The types of conflict vary in meaning from our man vs the world, often focusing on the internal conflict and coming to terms with yourself and nature. It restructures how we follow characters through their journeys. I personally love it! So when that lens is mixed with western plot structure, you get a great fusion of the two!

@rolanddeschain9880 3 жыл бұрын

Western fantasy is not man vs world thats ignorant and dum@ definition Western fantasy is becoming full of characters with existentialism and they have internal wars in their soul

@christiandaniell6835 4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see more reviews! I got into the Blade Itself on your recommendation and two months later I met Joe Abercrombie at a signing!

@SeptimusTSS 4 жыл бұрын

The 6th book of the Cradle series by Will Wight "Underlord" has a rating of 4.7, with over 6000 ratings! All other reviewers are really sleeping on this, but if you are looking for a FUN Asian influenced fantasy series that is incredibly addicting, THIS IS IT! edit: huge props to "sword of kaigen" as well, its also amazing and well worth the read!

@kingfox7492 4 жыл бұрын

I am obligated as a fellow Cradle fan to second this.

@Jrabney4 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome series that deserves way more attention.

@shade5348 4 жыл бұрын

Let's bump this comment more and more.

@duhlai7 4 жыл бұрын

now ...you convinced me. I'm going to try it.Thanks

@SeptimusTSS 4 жыл бұрын

@@duhlai7 dont blame me after your life has been consumed for a couple of weeks haha! Nah, but happy reading!

@animefreakazoid01 4 жыл бұрын

Yay a new book to add to my 2020 TBR list! Almost to 100k subs! Congrats🎊 🎉

@toonsy8248 Жыл бұрын

Spoiler Alert: Mamoru after summoning his whispering blade and dying hit me so different. I was so upset when he died, but Misaki POV was also good. I loved this book and Monmoru especially. I wish I could follow the family more.

@toonsy8248 Жыл бұрын

@@marianemingshobbies sorry buddy!!

@PetrikLeo 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite book of the year in 2019!

@Mythreial 4 жыл бұрын

I love that you review books that aren't too well known! It really helps to expand my horizons. It also helps to know that I can trust your judgement on a book or piece of media, even if I don't necessarily agree with your points, because you speak on it and articulate your views in a mostly objective and unbiased way, while still throwing your flare of personal preference into it. I'll definitely be picking up Sword of Kaigen now. Thanks Daniel, I hope you have a great weekend!

@cyrlav7748 4 жыл бұрын

I think simply that fantasy is more and more becoming literature. The themes, focus on characters and tragedy rather than universes and adventures... it has evolved and matured, like troubadour songs evolved into Shakespearian tragedies, and short novels in newspapers evolved into realistic novels. We might see a fantasy writer getting a Nobel price in the coming decades.

@turtleanton6539 4 жыл бұрын

Yay

@anubistv1154 4 жыл бұрын

The Malazan Book of the Fallen, by Steven Erickson is already the greatest story ever written/told. It is all-encompassing and one of the marvels that humanity has produced

@JonesDTaylor 3 жыл бұрын

@@anubistv1154 Will download a sample thanks a lot for recommendation :)

@michaelsisco8002 4 жыл бұрын

Since I started really watching your channel a few weeks ago, my TBR list has grown quite a bit. Love videos like this that spotlight lesser known books, and definitely looking forward getting this one! Love the channel!

@riku3878 4 жыл бұрын

This book is easily #1 all time favorite. The masterfully deep characters, the absolute stunning high stakes combat and emotional weight of the story make me deeply care for what going on within the world. 9/10 highly recommend this book

@rolanddeschain9880 3 жыл бұрын

Lmao it is not even good book it is solid Surely you did not have read many fantasy books

@PuffBittle 2 жыл бұрын

@@rolanddeschain9880 can't stand when someone says they really like something and there's just that one guy that's always gotta be like "ClEaRlY yOu HaVeN't ReAd EnOuGh". Just let people like things

@OTAEN7 2 жыл бұрын

@@PuffBittle agreed

@user-mu5sl4vh7m 7 ай бұрын

9/10 and easily the best you’ve ever read? Hmmm

@tshebeletsotjabane4979 3 ай бұрын

@@rolanddeschain9880 Everyone's taste is subjective. There's no universally agreed upon greatest book of all time.

@Modswer 4 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on 100k! I've been watching since you had less then 10k subs and it's awesome seeing you hit this milestone

@seebadd2968 4 жыл бұрын

Oh shit! As an indie author myself, I love seeing self-pub stuff hit good review channels. The world sounds fascinating and your review gave some pretty high praise. I'll def have to check this out!

@Kyle-4g343 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Just picked this up in physical form after watching your review. I needed something to get me back into the swing of reading fantasy stories.

@DooDooDaddyTV 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for everything you do Daniel. You got me back into reading. Just finished the The First Law triology bc of your channel and I absolutely loved it.

@turtleanton6539 4 жыл бұрын

So Good! Now try BERSERK

@user-mu5sl4vh7m 7 ай бұрын

Nooooo

@Systematic_Speaking 3 жыл бұрын

Picked it up on your recommendation (With Tigana, jade City and the first three Drresen books) and literally just finished reading it. The pacing felt strange to me but wow did it make me feel. That second climax was incredibly cathartic after the first. Thanks for the review and making me aware of it.

@DeadmanRedux 4 жыл бұрын

I literally thought the "Kai" in Kaigen was pronounced Kai like in Dragon Ball Z Kai.

@westvirginiaglutenfreepepp7006 4 жыл бұрын

That would be my guess as well, since it is inspired by Japanese culture

@PetrikLeo 4 жыл бұрын

It IS pronounced that way! :)

@Hadrian1616 4 жыл бұрын

Knowing dyslexic daniel, he may not be saying it right.

@scatteredplanes6667 4 жыл бұрын

It is Americans always pronounce Kai wrong the first time they encounter it.

@therenegadebard3971 4 жыл бұрын

The SPFBO competition has produced nearly a dozen authors who have gone on to sign with Big Five publishers.

@Grimscribe732 4 жыл бұрын

I found Rob J. Hayes, Jonathan French, and J. Zachary Pike through the SPFBO. Really appreciate what Mark Lawrence is doing for self-published authors with this competition, and the books have a high quality too.

@therenegadebard3971 4 жыл бұрын

@@Grimscribe732 It's a truly level field too. Brian Mcclellan and Diane Duane entered this year and were both eliminated. You might get a judge that doesn't like your type of book. But that's a risk in any competition.

@danilorezende2007 4 жыл бұрын

The second from 2018 signed with Orbit.

@danilorezende2007 4 жыл бұрын

Mark Lawrence is doing a great job discovering these new authors every year.

@ch3a7er 4 жыл бұрын

100k! You have come a long way Mr. Greene! Well done.

@Wats06071 4 жыл бұрын

Good job Daniel. You need to remember that this type of videos is what makes you stand out. It might not be an immediate "hit", but the value of these videos and your "musings" are intenagble. For me you are the go to guy for quality and substance, and I can't be the only one. I am certain that in the long run, this is what will people remember. They will point out how you brought attention to so many future hits when nobody was talking about, and that in return will cement your reputation.

@TheShadesofOrange 4 жыл бұрын

I picked up this one a while back during a 99cent sale. I'm glad you reviewed it because I think it's awesome when you use your platform to elevate lesser known books/authors, etc.

@DaUndergroundProd 4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate videos like this. Its easy to find popular fantasy books when your an avid reader. Thanks for vids like this!

@mastersal4644 4 жыл бұрын

I liked this video a lot - it’s nice when you highlight books which are not so well known. Maybe make this a series ?

@amandav7548 4 жыл бұрын

I just finished this base on your recommendation and wanted to thank you. I could not put this book down!

@daverevisions2843 4 жыл бұрын

Added to my TBR. Appreciate your perspective as always, Daniel.

@josephfernandez8015 4 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to shout out the KZfaq channel of the SPFBO judge who nominated this book to the finals, “Kitty G”. She’s a really excellent booktuber who tends to specialize in reviewing self published and lesser known fantasy and SF. She loved this book so much it’s one of her all time faves now. And thank you for featuring a book that’s out of the typical mainstream set of authors.

@DryBooks 4 жыл бұрын

I actually loooove reading about ramifications, so this book is for sure on my 2020 TBR now. Thank you😊

@watery406 4 жыл бұрын

This so nice of you! And that rating for a self published book is incredible!

@TravisRS 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 100k subscribers, Daniel!

@Manas09rai 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for recommending this book. I picked it up after watching this video and I loved it and its one of my favourite books I have ever read.

@diabloman 3 жыл бұрын

Read this on your recommendation, absolutely loved it. Half way through the "second climax" I put the ereader down and started trying to find a hardcover copy to order(sadly paperback only), since I knew I would be rereading this. Seriously awesome moments just everywhere in this book. The climaxes felt as impactful as if they were at the end of a solid trilogy of build up, and the characters the same.

@rinskeverberg 4 жыл бұрын

This sounds like the sort of book I would really enjoy. Picking it up. Thanks!

@d.w.sheppard5695 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for such a great job reviewing. You've got a real gift 👍

@max917 4 жыл бұрын

Another excellent review Daniel! These don't hurt the channel, they enhance it.

@kcludlow 4 жыл бұрын

Pleas review the Cradle series by Will Wight. He's a new author and has created addictive short novels that are the best I've read. I like them more than wheel of time and Stormlight.

@obbububu 4 жыл бұрын

100% liked this one too - particularly agree that the character arcs were really well done. It's a very surprising book in a number of ways, whether we're talking about plot structure, character arc, and generally having this surprising-yet-inevitable story that alternates between dark/bitter and hopeful, while still maintaining a really grounded yet organic plot.

@whosaidthat84 4 жыл бұрын

Love your channel Daniel but every time you say Sword of Kaygen, Terry Goodkind gets a new idea.

@CantStopTheMadness 4 жыл бұрын

What’s the proper way of saying it?

@tylerdiederichsen309 4 жыл бұрын

@@CantStopTheMadness If it is Japanese inspired, K-EYE-Gen

@CantStopTheMadness 4 жыл бұрын

@@tylerdiederichsen309 Thanks!

@whosaidthat84 4 жыл бұрын

@@CantStopTheMadness to break it down further, if you slow it down, you would kah-i-gen. However, the Japanese say it so quickly that the transition between A and I is very subtle that I almost sounds like eeee. So for us it's easier to just say Kye-gen.

@hessanscounty3592 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for reviewing this. It has totally put it on my list.

@ashikurrahman5359 4 жыл бұрын

Man! I love your reviews. Always bringing different writers and books rather than jumping on the hype-train. Keep up the great work pal.

@fullspectrumgeek5925 3 жыл бұрын

I just finished listening to the audible of this book. It was quite the emotional roller-coaster. It definitely makes you look at violence differently. I share your exact sentiments. It's not my most favorite thing I read but I did enjoy it and It really was a breath of fresh air from the stuff I normally read.

@XtheroCKER21X 3 жыл бұрын

I picked up this book jade city and to sleep in a sea of stars all on your recommendations im really enjoying kaigen so far

@jatzi1526 4 жыл бұрын

So I just read this after seeing you place it so high in your tier list of all the books you've read so far in 2020. And man was it good. I agree with the idea of it dragging it a little after the one climax but yeah it was really cool seeing the ramifications of what happened as you said. I don't normally get emotional when reading, unless I'm annoyed because the characters aren't acting logical and thus furthering an unnecessary conflict. But this book got a rise out of me and like damn. For that alone it's one of my favorite books ever now.

@pippaschroeder9660 8 ай бұрын

Yah I felt like Misaki was a little unfair with putting the blame on her husband for Momoru’s death, but at the same time I just saw it as she was grieving and building up resentment towards him. Also the resolution of their relationship was really well done

@AM-ko4pi 4 жыл бұрын

Gonna give this one a try. Thanks for the suggestion

@KierTheScrivener 4 жыл бұрын

I love the fallout. I get so frustrated that so many books end with a climax. It doesn't make sense to me. So I was already excited but now yes!

@seabird3896 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely going to get this one! Always up for supporting indies, and this sounds like my thing anyway. Thank you for doing a review of it otherwise I probably wouldn't have discovered it(:

@Randmoness 4 жыл бұрын

100k waiting for the live stream Love the review

@thenewkhan4781 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this recomendation, I will check it out. I love new things in fiction.

@learning2727 4 жыл бұрын

Hmm. Sounds interesting. I'll have to look into it more before I consider buying (sorry, am just cheap). I'm a little leery, after my experience with The Blade Itself (highly recommended on a few channels though), but I am excited to see fantasy from different perspectives. Even the imagery and emphasis on different attributes makes "new" fantasy interesting.

@nuriablanco.bookreviews 4 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for this kind review. Sounds like a book I would enjoy a lot!

@saklopfenstein 4 жыл бұрын

Picked up my copy! Excited to check it out!

@ottomyers1766 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel, not sure where to ask you questions, so I put it under your most recent video. Was curious to know if you have ever read Stephen R. Donaldson? I would love to see a review if you have. Thanks for your wonderful opinions and what you do here. I got away from fantasy for many years and thanks to you I have started reading it again, well done.

@SJPace1776 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making me aware of books I would completely miss otherwise.

@tshebeletsotjabane4979 4 жыл бұрын

Pick up the book, couldn’t put it down. Thanks for the suggestion

@Tamar-ph8ov 4 жыл бұрын

TSOJ Was the best book I’ve read in 2019

@Stoneward1 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, might I suggest Vinland saga, it's new anime that came out this year(on amazon prime). Its similar to what u've mentioned. And one of the most original animes I've seen in a long time. It has great characters, interesting philosophies, beautiful moments, ties to Scandinavian history and some bloody good action.

@benwhiley9680 4 жыл бұрын

Ep 1 SPOILERS - - - It opens with ship to ship combat between raiders. Not a thing. Followed by the fully armoured protagonist swimming easily after being injured and thrown from a ship. Not possible. Ends with protagonist beggaring family to let an escaped slave die free rather than die a slave. Evil. Hard pass. Which is a shame, adult male protagonist rather than a child is a reason to watch on its own but meh, cannot deal with the stupid.

@adamraad8445 4 жыл бұрын

@@benwhiley9680 bruh, it is an Anime, it is not about historic realism or real world physics and biology, just because they pay some attention to the setting doesn't mean that it isn't a shonen phantasy series... + the protagonist IS a kid

@Stoneward1 4 жыл бұрын

@@adamraad8445 it actually isn't a shonen, it's targeted at adult audiences and the protagonists isn't a kid beyond the first few episodes, he grows and the story follows he's life,

@Stoneward1 4 жыл бұрын

@@benwhiley9680 How much have u seen it exactly, cause episode 1-3 are prologues, the actual story takes place throughout the world, following multiple characters and blending different genres.

@crimsonking3377 4 жыл бұрын

adam raad not sure how much you’ve read or watch, but that statement is very far from the truth!! Even though it does have some anime tropes doesn’t make it shounen, for the majority of series the mc is well into adulthood , so I hope you give it a try👍

@ronguerra4867 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know about this book. Going to read it on kindle unlimited

@princessthyemis 4 жыл бұрын

Subscribing because of this excellent review!!!! I hope there are more like it!

@gpapeur8264 4 жыл бұрын

ROAD TO 100K !! Bravo !!

@EnbyReads 4 жыл бұрын

you made me really want to read this! thanks!

@Mark-iv6yg 4 жыл бұрын

What a great review! Added to the list, this book sounds very good

@andresamuel1525 4 жыл бұрын

Cried reading this it was amazing in so many ways

@dbrg1376 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Daniel! I only recently found your channel and I really appreciate your opinions! Keep it up

@thelasthandbook6704 4 жыл бұрын

I haven't read this, but I'd be curious how this compared to Jay Kristoff's Stormdancer series. Sounds more than a bit similar.

@aneweliseonlife 4 жыл бұрын

Nothing much to say other than I have picked it up for later! You have made me really curious.

@staceysantos4564 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a wonderful book, Daniel. You shattered my TBR list yet again. 🤪😂

@4uksan 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel! You should definitely keep covering less popular books such as this one! It really is part of the reason why i love your channel so much. Liked the video and got the book too!

@storyphile4518 4 ай бұрын

I just finished this after numerous recommendations and what an emotional roller coaster of a novel. I loved every bit of it.

@jimivader8979 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, as always. I don't think it will be the book for me, but I only know that because of this video. So thank you.

@Koleno357 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel, thanks to you i finally got myself into the Wheel of Time series, started in late November, and just finished The Shadow Rising yesterday - I know that´s WoT is the one thing you absolutely love and you allways praise it no matter what, but surely (and i completely agree that the series is fantastic, not my #1 tho - for me that would be Malazan) you got some things you don´t like or you find problematic about the series, and I would be really interested to see what exactly that is - just and idea for a video. Cos I really like to dig into pros and cons of the things i love, just to try and be objective, which can ofteb be really hard :)

@reignorshine. 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds cool , I'll need to check it out

@separator94 Жыл бұрын

I personally loved this book. It's setting, characters, themes, and story are stellar. It's now one of my top 3 favorite stand-alone fantasy novels.

@thedevicedrummer 4 жыл бұрын

I'm so waiting for this book to be available on the kobo store... Or else I'm paying for the physical copy with full shipping across the world

@MarcRasp 4 жыл бұрын

I have these book also because of SPFBO and after watching this review I’m going to bump them up on my tbr pile. Thanks Daniel.

@samvoicereads8905 4 жыл бұрын

Omo! I have to get back to reading this. Not too many Asian based stories for reference

@sevisevisss 4 жыл бұрын

Please give Ken Liu's Dandelion Dynasty a try! It's fantasy inspired by ancient chinese history and features incredibly intriguing characters. It could be likened to what Game of Thrones is to european history.

@karenbird6727 4 жыл бұрын

I loved The Sword of Kaigen. Wang wrote two books in the same world prior to The Sword of Kaigen (Theonite book 1 and 2, which in my mind are more YA), which I read before Kaigen and helped to understand this book.

@joelsilvey9046 4 жыл бұрын

Downloaded and ready to read!

@curzon176 4 жыл бұрын

Damn dude, you're less than 300 subs away from 100k. Congrats! Please post a video showing off the unboxing of your 100k KZfaq plaque. I think they still give those things out, don't they?

@wanted007ism 4 жыл бұрын

Review Unsouled - Cradle series by Will wight, it's great.

@kcludlow 4 жыл бұрын

Best series!

@fdmct 4 жыл бұрын

Fantasy that is not as medieval based is always fun to read. It's great when an author puts in the effort to add influence from a different culture.

@gainesdominique 3 жыл бұрын

I wanted this a year ago... Started the book this week. I WASTED TIME... Such a great story!

@redlinelogbook 4 жыл бұрын

Jake Greenwood's Grand Journey Home. By H.W Barrett. You can find it on Amazon. Please and thank you.

@mariareadsssf Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to M. L. Wang's new standalone, "Blood Over Bright Haven".

@hollowknight339 4 жыл бұрын

This is a good review I love it - daniel greene you should give the broken empire trilogy another chance. Jorg actually gets better in each book(morally), the writing gets better(like if it wasn't already good) I think you can love it if you gave jorg another chance.

@paternenizerimana5839 4 жыл бұрын

I will check it out. Thanks.

@jeremywendelin 4 жыл бұрын

Really want to see more Asian and like Jungle types of fantasy so bad. Going to download this book today

@kamuelalee 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video. Hope to see more Asian-flavored fantasy stories...great source of myth and legend.

@buu678 4 жыл бұрын

Japanese fantasy with modern or advanced technologies is a very common trope in anime and manga. I am surprised this kind of book wasnt written sooner.

@gainesdominique 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the new book.

@turtleanton6539 4 жыл бұрын

Might try this

@xaviercopeland2789 4 жыл бұрын

You should read up on Tomihiko Morimi if you want to get deeper into Japanese books. He’s widely considered one of, if not the best, and I think you’d highly enjoy his works.

@Nxrth2001 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Daniel!

@johndavidson1455 4 жыл бұрын

This sounds awesome, added to my wishlist

@bjorngerlach7829 4 жыл бұрын

Like it a lot, that you review and promote lesser known authors/books even though it might damage your bottom line a little. Think you should promote your Patreon a touch more, so you’re not as dependent on AdSense and more free to review whatever you feel like. Thanks fo this review, will pick up the book for sure.

@CJ10735 4 ай бұрын

Can someone explain the ending to me? I tried to research it but I am not coming up with anything. I know this is a standalone book but the ending sets it up for a sequel. I am curious if anything comes tie it up or does the story end right there.