What rating should the WoTTV show have in your opinion?

(Talking about Aridhol) Dad: Sha-? Shadar-? Dan: Shayol Ghul. No Daniel, your father was right.

The Gathering Storm is my favourite in the series by far. Brandon Sanderson did a really good Job.

I love your dad!!! We need him as a guest more often. He’s so right about it being more about the women. Tell him to tell Cash hello for me!

While I enjoy WoT talk very much, having someone else to go back and forth with and carry on a conversation with was even more enjoyable and its always good to hear from someone reading through the series for the first time.

Book 12 was about when the panic started to set in for me; "I'm running out of WoT too quickly" (43:01 - disturbingly relatable)

I’ve listened to all your WoT book reviews but this was my first WoT Talk. You and your dad have a great rapport that makes it great listening. And I particularly loved his reference to “Wolfy Dream Land”!

Love the video, I would love your dad to do a BOOK OF THE FALLEN read through.

this is so good and pure and your dad is a delight.

This has to be done right. If it is, WoT will be the best fantasy TV series to date. I have read the books twice and listened to the audio once. I am beyond hooked. I agree that if we get a good cast and a big budget this will be an instant hit with the masses.

i think the zombie episode would make a perfect halloween episode.

Your dad is dope! We need more of daddy on KZfaq! lol

I love that your dad made that connection with the jewish gholem and the trolloc bands having names that are a tip of the hat to other fantasy races. Also as an aside i lived in charleston, sc (where robert jordan is from) and noticed some things that might have influenced him. There is a street in charleston called ogier street. Literally spelled that way and it's been an established street for a very long time. Also a neighborhood in columbia sc called the three rivers (i know it's two) but just thought about how much he pulled from his surroundings and i love seeing these things in real life

33:33 the blues are the ones who assembled salidar after elaida's coup. they were pursuing THAT to help in the last battle, getting elaida out of power.

My Dad is on Knife of Dreams!

I agree with dad about the battle in book 2 where the horn of Valyre was blown. It should have had WAY more coverage! I really wish we had more detail of what happened.

Loved hearing from your Dad. I enjoy hearing the point of view of someone who is coming to the story fresh, with a modern take on material that is showing its age in some ways. I also really loved how he immediately challenged your throwaway observation that we the readers follow the protagonists from the time they are 'farmboys to leaders'. A lot of male readers somehow completely miss the fact that this story has always been about the women, and the men are pretty passive participants in a lot of ways at a lot of points in the story. Rand, Mat, and Perrin reluctantly agree to leave the Two Rivers with Moiraine. Egwene and Nynaeve CHOOSE to leave on their own, and Nynaeve does so BY HERSELF. Even badass King Lan of the Lost Cause Nation Of Badasses follows Moiraine's lead. Early in the series, Rand descends into mental illness and self doubt, Mat descends into stupidity-induced addiction and withdrawal, and Perrin descends into crippling social anxiety and toxic relationship drama. Meanwhile Egwene and Nynaeve go to Hogwarts and hunt down evil wizard ladies. It's abundantly clear to me that Robert Jordan intentionally flipped the script, but I'm always amazed at how this still sails over the heads of many readers, mostly young and/or male. It's very telling when I hear young readers talk about 'the three protagonists'-as if Moiraine, Egwene and Nynaeve are just side characters. Frankly, Perrin has always seemed like a side character to me. He takes forever to get any kind of self-confidence, and he basically is just this weird werewolf guy that becomes the sherriff of his hometown or something. He mixes it up with the weird order of religious zealots, but none of that has anything to do with the One Power, the Dragon Reborn, the Last Battle, or much of anything outside of western Andor. He doesn't have much to do with the larger story. Meanwhile side character Egwene becomes a Wizard Queen who challenges a rival Wizard Queen for control of the center of civilization. But Perrin has cool eyes? I guess? And if I live to a hundred, I will never understand why you want to reduce the number of Forsaken for the TV show. The whole point of the Forsaken in the world of Wheel of Time is that there are a lot of them, and they could be anywhere, and not much is known about them outside of legend. Just because several of the Forsaken don’t have a huge impact on the story doesn’t mean that the small part they do play isn’t important. Be’lal was barely there, but he gave Moiraine one of her best moments, and we were introduced to balefire because of him. I wouldn’t want to cut Be’lal. Alas, Netweaver, we barely knew ye, and thanks Moiraine for that lesson in how to handle Forsaken that Rand still doesn't learn until after he almost murders one of his many girlfriends. Moghedien and Asmodean are the unwitting teachers of our protagonists, so even though they are weak and stupid, I wouldn’t want to lose them. Good luck trying to cut either of them, they are quite integral to the story, unless we're just rewriting everything from scratch. Rahvin, Sammael, Demandred, Balthamel, Aginor-who gets cut? And why? Do you lose the Rahvin/Andor plot? Or the Sammael/Illian plot? Maybe there are no Forsaken at the Eye of the World? Maybe Rand just strolls up and grabs the Dragon banner, the Horn of Valere, flips the bird to Ishamael and strolls back to Fal Dara? Obviously none of the female Forsaken can be cut. You can’t pull on those threads without ripping out whole storylines. Even Mesaana and Semirhage are critical to the story, though they have less page time than Lanfear, Moghedien and Graendal. Mesaana is crucial to the White Tower storyline and Semirhage is pretty much the scariest villain of the whole series, and comes closest to winning for the side of the Shadow when she gets Rand in the Domination Band. Do you give that storyline to Graendal? Then who does Rand go after at Natrin’s Barrow? Is the White Tower split Graendal's or Lanfear's or Moghedien's doing? Is the Shadow splitting the White Tower on a part-time basis? Do you replace some of the Forsaken with Black Ajah? What is the point of that, other than to just change something for the sake of changing it? And speaking of Black Ajah, there are scads and scads of Black Ajah in the books, but I don’t hear any calls to cut Temaile Kinderode and Marillin Gemalphin. And what about Joiya Byir, Amico Nagoyin, Chesmal Emry, Ispan Shefar, Falion Bhoda, Jeaine Caide, Galina Casban, Liandrin, Alviarin Friedhen, Elza Penfell, Katerine Alruddin, Careane Fransi, et al.? And lets tack on the list of rank-and-file Darkfriends that we meet in the books, do we start trimming down their numbers, so that it’s ‘easier to keep track’? Do we want it to seem like the Shadow is weak and spread thin? The whole point of the story is that the Shadow is everywhere, and the forces of the Light can be attacked from any quarter at any time. If we go with your idea, then the protagonists will know that they just have to pick off five or six dudes over the course of the series. That really ratchets down the stakes. And we lose lots of really cool moments. If Be’lal and Lanfear get cut, Moiraine is just another Aes Sedai. If Aginor and Balthamel get cut, then Someshta is just a cool CGI easter egg and the first book has no real climax. Personally, I think Aviendha could be cut. She’s just hateful and unpleasant and xenophobic toward wetlanders in the early books. She is a disobedient child that the Wise Ones have to bring in line. Everything about Aviendha is problematic. I find it hard to like her, I find it hard to sympathize with her, and the story of the Maidens of the Spear can easily be given to Sulin. We can also combine Gaul, Bain and Chiad into a single character, don’t you think? See what I did there? You were HORRIFIED that I would want to cut Aviendha or thin the ranks of your beloved Aiel. Well, I guarantee you there are people out there who are just as fond of the individual Forsaken, or the story points they are attached to. So when deciding who and what to cut, I think we need to look to the side plots, like Valan Luca’s circus, Bayle Domon, Basel Gill, the High Lords of Tear, etc. Not culling our main cast of villains. That would be like having an FBI's Three Most Wanted list. As for the rating of the TV show, I think it has to be TV-MA. The polyamory alone requires this. Unless we’re going to cut Rand’s romance smorgasbord, Green Ajah Aes Sedai, and the Aiel sister-wife shenanigans altogether. We also have themes of rape, torture, and the slaughter of innocents and oh yeah, the Last Battle. Do Our Heroes and the Forsaken just play tag? Maybe do some rock-paper-scissors? Do Egwene and Mat and the Great Generals just lecture the enemy about what meanie heads they are, and convince each one to become a Better Person™? PG-13 is just not an option for this material.

the gholam are absolutely golem: another feature they share is also the resistance to magic

What are some of your Dad’s favourite book series? Cause he seems like a wise man

As a minimalist, the very idea of Wot Lego sets TERRIFIES me. I don't think i could not own them.

Perfect summary so far, I'm in the middle book 13, one big read throu. Defo could not name one book from another and didn't notice the 'slog' books 7-10 at all, but I like 16th century politics.

Volume was exceedingly low for this video, had to link to my Bluetooth speaker. My only negative critique in an otherwise great video. Keep cranking out great content DG!

Ohhhh daniel your father is so cute!! Also, finely a wot that I can safely watch! (Just started towers of midnight)

35:11 that was shadar logoth, shayol ghul is the site of the bore into the dark one's prison, or at least where it is most strongly apparent.

I understand Dad's wondering about the relevance of Hinderstapp, but he doesn't yet know that the citizens of that awful place actually fight in the last battle.

If I could be a cast member in WOT, I would be an Asha'man. Especially to be there for Dumani Wells.

I agree with Mr. Greene, WOT doesn't have the same level as world building that Tolkien's middle earth has. In terms of nations with diversity in culture and dress, WOT shines, but in terms of actual history of the world, and stories from the past, i think Tolkien's world is superior.

Honestly couldn’t have picked a better topic. I’m 80% through TGS lol

Great video. Lets get more AI talk from your dad. Never really thought of Frankenstein as artificial intelligence, pretty awesome. I think WOT show needs to be PG13 or R .

I really enjoyed this podcast. But to get straight to your question. I would like rated Pg13 or M for mature. Rated R will be a huge mistake

You got the name wrong. It is sha-dar-logith (don’t know how to spell that I listen to the audiobooks

You could sell a little man with a sword and call it an angral. I would buy that.

Hebrew Golum is pronounced like Daniel says it go like word go. They will have to do establishing shots in Utah/Arizona and Green screen the actors in.

The shooting for the show is supposed to start September this year which is 2019.

I am pretty fascinated by the possibilities of AI, so I'm curious about his talks.

33:26 cads was the one taking out false dragons. a GREEN.

[spoiler book 12] tbh i didn't remember hinderstap when it came up in TG but i'll be mad if they cut it

The aiel are not pale it is stated they are sun darkened

It was shadar logath not shayl ghul

9:30 your dad was right =P

Hi Daniel. You questioned what we disagreed with most on another video. I realize this is the wrong video for it, but listening to it reminded me. Your take on the Red Ajah. You have come across in many of your videos with the attitude that the Red Ajah is necessary and performed a vital role. I couldn't disagree more. The Red Ajah reminds me most of a corrupt police force who specializes in using excessive force. Sure there are two good examples of quality Red sisters in Pevara and Silviana, but they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Almost every other Red we see is either secretly black or involved in the vileness and unrepentant about it. I suspect that if you polled most Red sisters, they'd have supported what was done at the Black's behest, at least until they knew who actually was behind it.

I am completely against a pg rated merchandised show. I think it should be at a level like lord of the rings. There are plenty of dark and gritty moments but it’s not what makes the series like game of thrones.

Get rid of Thom! That's horrible ☹️. They can't get rid of the taint, though they could rename it. Taint has a bit of a funny connotation. They could for sure combine some of the forsaken

bootyism

Expected a World of Tanks talk, disappointed

Races = cultures