Our friend Mike Brady gonna be pulling his hair watching this

I was one of the world's leading experts on the Titanic when I was nine years old. Self proclaimed of course. 😂

Murdoch shooting a man and committing suicide is well documented? In 2004 Cameron apologized and said he was wrong to portray it, "thinking as a storyteller rather than historian" .

"Hey everyone its your friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs. Today we're going to be tearing this man to shreds about his mistakes on reacting to the Titanic movie!"

I absolutely love that fellow Titanic nerds are in the comments and calling this so-called 'expert' out on his misinformation - it truly is a wonderful, and informed, fan base

Dawson was not based on Thayer there are no similarities except for the name. Jack Thayer was from a very wealthy Philadelphia family and was a first class passenger

This man expertise is about 20 years out of date. And even then he'd be presenting theory as fact.

Let's get our facts straight. Jack Dawson was a completely fictional character that had a few historical circumstances written in as interesting easter eggs.

For a so-called world leading expert on Titanic he should know that:- 1. It was a tugboat that avoided a collision with the SS New York when Titanic left Southampton, Captain Smith DID NOT 'push' the SS New York away, the tugboat did 2. J Bruce Ismay did not own the White Star Line, JP Morgan did. Ismay was the managing director. 3. People did hear a ghastly roar/rumble and attributed it to the boilers tearing through the ship however the boilers are still in place on the wreck, what people actually heard was the ship breaking up. He should've mentioned that. 4. The 'Japanese' man recovered from the water was actually Chinese (Fang Lang) and he was found clinging to a door, not a piece of staircase.

Really? World leading titanic historian? I’ve been studying the titanic over 30 years and I’ve never even heard of him!

Is amazing how he speaks with such conviction on something he is terribly wrong about.

mike brady:" i can see the amount of knowledge Tim has on this history already.....very small of course"

This is riddled with inaccuracies and speculation presented as fact.

He seems more like an enthusiast rather than an historian

As an academic historian I do really believe that amateur historians can bring a lot to the table, in terms of Titanic history you've got people like Mike Brady among others. This bloke is a good example of a particularly poor amateur historian who has somehow convinced himself he can claim the title of 'expert'. An amateur historian is someone operating outside the traditional confines of the academy, but generally following at least some of those academic principles, primarily the principle of not outright talking out of their arse. This PR consultant isn't an academic historian, he's not an amateur, he's a bungling hobbyist with ideas above his station.

How many factual mistakes can an ‘expert’ make? Well, too many it seems……..

First historian I've ever heard to validate the idea Murdoch shooting someone and then himself, considering Cameron admitted they added that drama for the movie's character. I'd like to know this historian's reference on that point

Really should be laws around requiring experts to establish their bona fides...

I don't really think Murdoch shooting himself is well documented. It's possible, and someone was have supposed to, so I have no issues with how it's portrayed. But it's certainly debated.

It seems like the movie really did Captain Smith and Mr. Andrews dirty. As much as it makes for great cinematography for them to stand stoically facing their ends, it undermines the much less cinematic, but also much more heroic, acts that they actually performed that night.

25:22 there's a bit of contention around why the funnels came down exactly (similarly for Britannic's sinking, while other ships like Lusitania did not have collapsed funnels when they went down) and Mike Brady at Oceanliner Designs a couple years back did a brilliant analysis of the design of Titanic's funnels and how it was likely the increasing water pressure around the base of the funnel that brought them down, as opposed to the stay lines snapping as portrayed on the movie and in this analysis. It's a minor thing, but for anyone interested in looking at the architecture behinds various aspects of Titanic's sinking, it's definitely worth a watch.

2:56 the center screw would not have began turning right away. It ran off the leftover pressure of the outer screws. Just some trivia

One very important fact is that Ismay was always actually AGAINST arriving early because that meant passengers would actually have some trouble with hotel reservations and other plans.

The last song the band plays always gets me 😢

As far as I’m concerned Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs (YT Channel) and Dr. Robert Ballard are the experts on anything Titanic and her sisters

How does a Titanic expert think that Murdoch actually shot himself?

for an expert he also seems to forget that Titanic had MORE LIFEBOATS THAN THE LAW REQUIRED.

There were no lights on the bridge to light up the iceberg. The Bridge was always kept dark to increase visibility. Barret did say they did run under the water tight doors, they were closed from the bridge. Hitchens gave evidence, Barret was in the boiler rooms 6 when the iceberg buckled the plates. The band were inside playing until later stages, it was too cold to play outside.

Amazing video with some great and correct aspects mentioned. However, I noticed some minor things that I feel should be cleared up. 2:12: Yes, third-class passengers were segregated from the other classes. However, there were no "gates" separating them. The gates seen in the movie were used in parts of the ship to secure cargo and other crew areas. These black steel gates were non-existent in passenger areas. Third-class was actually segregated by mostly plain white closed doors, through which they probably never knew that they would lead them to safety. It's commendable that Tim mentioned that stewards were sent down to help the third-class passengers up the decks. 4:53: A small correction: all of Titanic's propellers were driven by steam. The middle one used the generated steam in another way by utilizing a turbine, while the outside propellers used triple-expansion steam engines. 5:00: The myth of Jack Dawson being in any way inspired by or based on Jack Thayer is completely inaccurate. There is absolutely no similarity between them apart from their name. Jack Thayer survived atop collapsible B, which overturned when the Titanic began its final plunge. I'm not sure where this myth originated from really. However, Tim mentions something that is very correct and significant about Jack Thayer namely that he gave account that the ship broke in half. 14:30: Port holes? That's a new one! It was a very cold night. The role of portholes was not significant in Titanic's sinking, unlike with her sister ship Britannic. So, no, the damage of the iceberg was not "doubled" by the portholes. But it's good that he mentioned the coal fire not in any way contributing, as that's a common myth I am tired of hearing. Thanks for debunking. 15:15: The Titanic sank in around 2 hours and 40 minutes, not 2 hours 20 minutes. It's a minor error, possibly a mix-up as the ship sank at 2:20 AM. 20:32: No, very very big no no. It's not a "fact" that Murdoch shot passengers, and it's also not confirmed that he shot himself. The only thing confirmed is that shots were fired at some point during the sinking. The portrayal of Murdoch committing suicide after shooting two men is fiction from the film. 23:57: The apparent violin recovered from the deck and later sold is likely not genuine. There isn't any hard proof to confirm its authenticity. 26:30: The majority of people died in the freezing waters of the Atlantic, not on Titanic's stern. I am sure he meant it this way though. 27:22: The exact angle at which Titanic broke her back is widely disputed. 15° is too shallow and disagrees with many passenger accounts saying that the stern rose to over 45°, which is why between 25-30° remains the most agreed-upon range. 28:15: Regarding Jack Thayer, refer to the previous comments. 28:35: Charles Joughin's account of not getting his hair wet is often taken too literally. It was likely meant in a hyperbolic way, underlining his claims of how he saw his survival being relatively easy. Titanic's last moments were not "calm" but chaotic and dramatic as it descended rapidly into the ocean. Water was rushing in faster than the air inside the ship could escape. Portholes and hatches were exploding outwords right and left. That was everything I found. Overall, an excellent video, especially for those new to the Titanic! From a so called "expert", I would have however expected a little more.

I’m also a bit surprised that as an “expert” he didn’t mention that as Titanic departed, the turbine center screw would not begin spinning with the wing screws. The center screw cannot engage until the reciprocating engines powering the wing screws are going at a rate of at LEAST 50rpm(half ahead or faster). Not to mention, passengers were not allowed on the forecastle like that.

From my understanding the iceberg that hit the titanic start forming 15000 years ago before it broke off. What a ride

Fun Fact: Titanic actually had 6 of hers compartments breeched, "Boiler Room 5" had its coal bunker taking water, and it was discovered only moments before the coal bunker wall rivets started flying out and letting water burst violently, completely trashing the bunker. that was the point, when any chance of pumping water was gone. Titanic actually had maybe only 3 segregating gates, and not hundreds like shown in the movie, the other segregating obstacles were: the waist high gates on the well deck that can be jumped over, or opened by removing the pin. there were all so doors who could be opened like the entrance to first & second class from Scotland road, or like the one in the Veranda Caffe. and those 3 classic gates (like in the movie) were in a mailroom area, having no real effect on survival chance.

Tim's point about the Californian not being featured in this version of Titanic is a worthy note, and if anyone is interested in exploring this further I highly recommend watching A night to remember. It's black & white but really well made for the time

"Now for the information of all hands. We have over one hundred icebergs around us." This was announced one morning aboard the US Coast Guard cutter I was aboard in 1973 on Ocean Station Bravo. Truly a beautiful and terrifying sight. As when the Titanic went down the sea was like a mill pond.

He Didnt even know that it sank in 2 hours and 40 mins

Titanic’s engines did not produce 70,000 horsepower. The two reciprocating engines produced around 15,000 horsepower each, with the low pressure turbine engine producing around 16,000 horsepower. A grand total of 46,000 horsepower. I’m not sure where this “expert” got his facts from.

Olympic and Titanic were not designed to be the fastest ships, but the most luxurious ships

I would watch Oceanliner Designs' video about the movie. It's a great video

he doesnt know what hes talking about. expert my arse

I have heard other Titanic experts that completely disagree with you. Andrews did throw floating things into the sea but it is documented that he took a break just as depicted in the film. The only question is how long of a break did he take.

We need our friends Mike Brady and Historic Travels, Sam. To see this. The movie also mentioned RMS Mauretania and RMS Olympic makes a brief cameo on the ticket that Jack and his friend got from the gamble.

The British Board of Trade failed to update the lifeboat law as ships grew bigger. They measured the number of lifeboats by the gross tonnage not the number of passengers aboard. Also, lifeboats were seen as transporting people from a distressed ship to a nearby rescue ship not meant as lifesavers

I was immediately thrown when he said that Olympic and Titanic were twice the size of the next-largest ships. RMS Mauretania from the Cunard Line, launched in 1906, was 790 feet long with 8 decks and Titanic was 882 feet long with 9 decks. Even in tonnage Mauretania was 31k GRT and Titanic was 46k GRT. Not exactly twice as large.

I would say Tim Maltin should make sure that when he uses the word "expert" that he should really knows his stuff. There are some things he says in this video that are misleading and at worse speculation stated as fact. For those who would like a better and more reliable take on the Titanic disaster I would recommend the book On a Sea of Glass as a good starting point. Everything therein is backed up by testimonies and evidence, infact Tim should buy a copy.

It is not confirmed or certain which officer committed suicide after shooting a passenger. May believe it was not Murdock.

7:08; In case you don't know, the young woman behind Bruce Ismay and Captain Smith recalled their conversation about speeding up Titanic so she could get to New York faster. At the time after Titanic's sinking, the real woman told the publishers she just happened to overhear the conversation. That's quite an interesting fact!

True fact: Did you know it was Rose's ridiculous hat that caught the wind and blew Titanic into the iceberg. No steering from the crew could compensate. Rose not only killed Jack, she killed 1500 other too.

That was very interesting, thank you

Personally, I didn’t mind the inaccuracies. It was a great movie and still is.

Too may mistakes from an "expert".

I love th snl skit with Bill Paxton and James Camerons alternate ending where everyone starts beating up old lady Rose, including her daughter.

this story has perennial and profound fascination, so it is both fitting and necessary that there be experts to give reasoned commentary on the event given the emergence of error and mythology. thanks for this. even though i am not a hard core serous titanic buff i do tome back to the story every few years or so

@HistoryHit, speaking as a subscriber, please stop using this guy. Much of this is out of date, misleading, mistaken, or just wrong. It is not at all well documented what happened to Murdoch, the baker was Charles Joughin, not Jocelyn. What has Jack Thayer got to do with Jack Dawson? I'm not sure how much open portholes had to do with things on such a cold night, his suggested angle of breakup seems very, very shallow.

Jack Thayer was a first class passenger don’t think jack Dawson was based on him

When I watched the film for the first time, I was surprised at how intense and sad it was. Obviously the real life event was terrible and tragic, but I didn't think Cameron would go there. It is a really tense and terrifying film.

Yes they did bring it up toward the end. You must have missed that part the telegrapher was talking to captain Smith and they mention the Californian being nearby but the telogragher went to sleep.

Titanic expert literally know nothing the channel Ocean Liner Design contradicts alot of what he said.

The comments tearing apart this "experts" claims is my favorite thing. Seriously, anyone can claim to be an expert in something, and this channel picked someone who is clearly not equipped to comment on this movie

"I'm one one of the world's leading experts on the Titanic" I've been involved with the Titanic history community for over 30 years, and I've never heard of you. (Quickly Googles the name.) Oh... THOSE books. The ones real Titanic historians laugh at.

This guy is so wrong on so many things, I don't know where to start! Jack Thayer was not the basis for Jack Dawson. Thayer was traveling first class with his parents. He father was second vice-president of the Pennsylvania Railroad. No evidence that Murdoch killed himself. And on and on....

I could listen to Tim Maltin talk about this topic and time period all day. I watched his other History Hit video and found it equally as interesting. Thank you for sharing this knowledge in such an engaging way.

There's absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Murdoch shot someone NOR himself. This was disappointing.

Imagine waking up on the Californian and realizing what happened in the night right beside you. I'd feel like a permanent f up. Great video! This guy is super engaging.

13:10 ... Jack: that's a nice big ice cube...

Californian WAS indeed featured in a deleted scene.

10:24 if captain smith was still awake and acting as captain he probably would have immediately shouted “ Reform the line! Reform the line! Take it head on! Charge!” But that’s just my theory

I really enjoyed your commentary on the film "Titanic" and your view about it`s accuracy. There is something I saw on a programme about the Titanic that I hope you can confirm. It said that the Titanic may have survived the impact of the iceberg but was let down by the rivets that joined the metal plates of the ship together. Let me explain, now for a high quality ship you would expect the ship to have the best quality rivets. Which they did. However, during the construction of Titanic they ran out of the highest quality rivets before it was completed. To get the rivets they required would take some time, so the decision was made to get the next best rivets available to complete the job on time. The rivets were not even new they were salvaged from another ship. Who would think that rivets are so important? So, the best quality rivets were designed to withstand the impact of an iceberg. The couldn`t stop damage to the ship itself but they were strong enough to prevent the ship from losing its metal plates. However, once water got inside the ship, the lower quality rivets were not strong enough to withstand the pressure and burst open causing additional flooding. Had this not happenedand the best quality rivets were used on the whole ship, it could have been enough to have contained the breach so that only 4 compartments were flooded not 5.

I saw yesterday a video about a Titanic museum where the Tour Guide said, the Portrayal of Murdoch and Ismay a wrong in the movie Murdoc didn't shoot at anyone.

I'm normally a fan of HH shows but this one was a fail - the so-called expert was wrong on way too many points. Disappointing. There are quite a number of better videos to watch which do provide actual facts regarding the Titanic - Ocean Liner Designs is an exceptionally good one.

So much misinformation in one place I thought I was listening to mainstream news

I was going to comment about this "expert," but I see you guys have it covered. Lol.

Was the suction a bigger issue when trying to get clear? I've heard somewhere once clear by about 100ft,not so?

This guy calls himself an expert but a bunch of this is nonsense.

It.Is.NOT.a.door.....

I’ve gone to the Titanic museums in MO and TN-very interesting

The SS Californian actually was mentioned in the film. Sadly, it was a deleted scene, which very much should have been kept in. But you can find that scene easily online.

love this!

Titanic is YT gold, some guys whole channels are based on it. Edit: Collier, I need to you to row this lifeboat….Yes, Sir!!!!!

If this guy is a "Titanic Expert", I'm a self proclaimed Explosive Ordinance Disposal Expert.

What this summary misses in it's summation of the iceberg collision is, the suggestion that Murdoch ordering the engines to reverse actually hindered the ship from turning, as the central turbine and screw couldn't be reversed and so had to be stopped. Had he maintained the forward course and kept the screws turning, it's possible the ship would have avoided the iceberg with feet to spare.

Love this guy but wasn’t it 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink? He says 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Still gets to me so sad 😢

There's actually a deleted scene from the film that shows Jack trying to get on the door with Rose, and realizing it won't support them both. Only a brief snippet of that remains in the film, and it's hard to tell that the door was rejecting both of them together.

I remember playing a computer game called "Titanic: Adventure in Time" in which one of the tasks was to get the Rubiyat off of the ship.

What a great video. More like this please

To me the coolest part of the movie is the start. When hube pistons are moving, the furnaces...

idc if a lot of his information is false, i love his voice lol

Very interesting

Lightholler misinterpreted Captain Smith's order of Women and Children FIRST as Women and Children ONLY

Should have gotten the titanic honour and glory guys on, at this point they're perhaps the leading experts.

The new four k restoration of this film is absolutely amazing. They Put a lot of work into the detail of this movie and honestly, it looks as though it was filmed yesterday. Absolutely. Gorgeous, and welcome to such a great movie

@10:35 you said he gave the order to "turn the ship hard to starboard, to the left." 22 years in the US Navy has taught me that when you are facing the bow (front of the vessel), port refers to the left side, and starboard refers to the right side. Hard to starboard would have resulted in damage to the port side of the vessel.

Titanic "expert"???! Not if you believe di Caprio's character was based on First Class passenger Jack Thayer. They have NOTHING in common apart from their first names!

How was Jack based on Jack Thayer?? Because they both had the name Jack? That’s all they had in common 😂 this expert is rubbish 😂

Actually Alexander Carlisle designed the Olympic and Titanic, not Thomas Andrews. Andrews hired after Carlie retired

Thank you for this, i have only watched titanic twice in my life, and it hurts my heart for all those who lost their lives. I watched titanic last year with my daughter, her first time, and she said it was very stressful. We also agreed we are not going on any cruises.

There's a lot wrong with the so called facts of Titanic, ones that Robert Ballard has confirmed to not be true yet, this ' expert' is saying current rumors are true. For example: 1)When he said that Captain Smith only had one other accident but that's not true. It was well known that other than that racing accident, there was two other with Olympic sister ship where again he was going way too fast and rammed into another cruise ship and damaged the front of the Olympic and the side of the other ship. He does it one more time with Olympic-this time causing greater damaged that makes the ship have to be docked and repaired and that's why Smith was free to sail the Titanic. 2) The lack of life boats was said by J. Bruce Ismay in the inquiry hearing after the sinking said it was because it was too crowed and he wanted the first class passengers to be able to walk the part of deck and when asked why they would do such a thing he actually said '' the Titanic was seen as a life boat herself and felt we would not need them all''. 3) just a FYI for the guy in video, the Atlantic was a moonless, still dark night but ocean water is not fresh water, it's salt water. 4) It was well documented by the survivors that yes, Murdoch pulled out his gun and fired it into the bum rushing of people but NOT ONCE did they say then he shoots himself. All of the survivors say that he was last seen still near his station at the life boat still trying to unhook the last life boat he had when that part of the ship sank into the water causing a large wave to pour onto the deck sweeping away Murdoch-that was the last they saw of him. 4) I just wanted people to know that old couple not only choice to stay on the Titanic but when they were offered seats they gave them to a man and his wife and kids, they were reported as saying '' we've had an long wonderful life, unlike the young ones here, we will stay together''. 5) During the break up it was not the boilers and engines they heard falling from the hole in wreck although yes, the survivors thought the loud sounds they heard was that but the wreck itself shows that's not true- you can see both the engines and boilers still intact and bolted to were they always were at the bottom of the sea floor. What they heard was explosion's from the boilers exploding's from entering the water lit and the stern's slow sinking caused air pockets to form and when it final made it's fast and violent descent to the bottom, it cause the air to explode outward from the inside of the ship-causing bits of the outer layer to start ripping off like confetti and increasing the speed of the falling with a swirl descent to start that also caused even more parts to fall away and then to finally slam into the sea floor-causing it explode outward for the last time in a violent crash. 5) The people in life boats didn't wait on purpose until the cries died out- was just that they had no more room and the crew members on the life boats didn't want to be swamped and the ship RMS Carpathia that finally picked up the victims in the water-it was too late, they were too far away and made there to the site an hours and a half after the ship sank and those ones brought to the ship dead were only the ones that had life jackets on and not many did- that's why the debris field had all those shoes laying in current areas. Once they passed from the cold, thousands of dead bodies rained down to the sea floor and the shoes are all that remain of their resting place. Something I hope no one forgets because it's so horrible to happen to anyone.

History Hit, I usually like your videos but this one did not in fact hit. There’s some mistakes in this one.

This was very interesting. I’m glad to hear that a lot was accurate.

In reality, Murdock didn't commit suicide. His descendants were angered by his portrayal in the film. Cameron apologized for how he portayed Murdock. There were no reports of any passengers being shot. Although there were speculations that an officer did indeed turn a gun on himself, it wasn't Murdock who did so.