Madame Gao is definitely something else holding her own against both Luke and Jessica, both of which should be above Cap. I wonder how enhanced Elektra would do against Cap.

⁠@@terribletimes902I think cap is potentially a little stronger but I think she is probably the better fighter of the two, really hard to tell when comparing shows and movies tho, but seeing as she manhandles Jess and is able to knock around Luke it’s safe to say she’s pretty tough, her abilities were just a little too inconsistent throughout to really judge

​@terribletimes902 So was Sowande. I really wish the show had done a better job establishing the way the Hand worked. You had Gao and Sowande who were easily the most powerful of the five fiingers due to their respective masteries over chi manipulation and pressure point attacks but the other three never displayed matching feats, they just fought well.

​@@schoolprojects1835Cap is definitely stronger. I always felt it was Elektra's skill that allowed her to knock out the likes of Jessica and Luke. All it sometimes takes to win a fight is a well placed punch. Combine that with the strength she was given and it's a no brainer to see that she was a problem for the combined might of the Defenders.

@@bryanrogers5648 That doesn’t apply to a guy who can tank a rocket missile. Maybe Jessica yes since her durability barely seems above normal human level and she’s often hurt by regular people. As for striking and lifting strength, it is less clear. But Luke Cage tossed a 400 lb tire some 50 yards away while Jessica tossed an adult male body hundreds of feet into the ocean. I haven’t seen Cap consistently do stuff like that, but he has that one outlier feat of lifting a massive steel beam off of Bucky which is above anything Luke and Jessica have done. It’s tough to say because they are all inconsistent.

Have you noticed the stunt actress replacing Gao at 0:17 ? The reason for it is totally valid, but they could have hidden the face better.

PIS. Luke cage alone stomps all of hand but of course plot

I rooted for Madame Gao

@@kikbums807 No the fuck he doesn’t 🤣

@@kikbums807 eh maybe bakuto and murakami but i think madame gao and sowande could take him

Seriously, she's makes a great villain. I wonder if she cheated death yet again?

i mean if daredevil survived, maybe she did too XD

She should have been The Hand's main leader

At least on the plus side Iron Fist's fight scenes were improved, im hoping season 2 of his show is gonna be good with the new show runner and Finn Jones has been training his ass off

iron fist season 2

yeah the guy fought nobu after all, so he should handle more skilled hand users

Fighting with Elektra made him better in DD Season 2...I feel like they made him get better at fighting the Hand as the season progressed.

Master Vivs wasn't Nobu one of Murakami's men?

Bruce Snow Nobu was Murakami's disciple

Yeah Daredevil seemed to get a major upgrade in this series(which was awesome!) I can't see how Fisk will fare against Matt in a One v one fight now!

Yep they could also see how unliked IF was by the fans

And yet people still try to argue that iron fist in the MCU is a better fighter than daredevil, there is literally so much proof that daredevil is better, he’s fought tougher opponents and he’s been a vigilante for 20 years at that point since stick left

@@TonyJaaFan1587 Not 20 years, 2 or 3. Which is a greater testament to his skill.

@@bryanrogers5648 he literally says he’s been doing it since stick left, which in the timeline of season 1 was 20 years ago

@@TonyJaaFan1587 No. What he said was he continued training after Stick left. He only started acting as a vigilante shortly after quiting Landman and Zack, which that itself was shortly before the start of the series. And if we're to believe that the show started at the same time it was released then that was 2015, and it ofc ended in 2018. But the timeline of the MCU has him still operating somewhere around like 2025-2026.

Got to five Iron First props though. Elektra is there strongest member and he’s fighting her toe to toe.

They weren't ordinary fighters, they were two of the five fingers of the hand. Maybe not as powerful as Gao, but certainly not ordinary fighters.

​@@AndyStarzs1Well, she wasn't really trying. All she was doing was leading him towards the wall.

@@AndyStarzs1No they wont he was gettin his ass wooped

She is the female Palpatine

Gaopatine

MagusWidowMaker Yeah? But how could Jessica beat Gao who was highly superior to her? This is all feminist agenda pushing nonsense

Man this isn't feminist propaganda. goods beating the bad even when they are inferior? what novelty

Jess’ fighting skills are also very unconventional. I think people really underestimate her just because she doesn’t know martial arts. If you watch her fight against Luke Cage she really demonstrates good street style technique. She’s also calculating and quick thinking thanks to her detective skills, which I think shows when she out smarts Gao.

@@pra7640 Jessica just has raw physical strength and endurance, so she matches Gao on that aspect. She’s a pretty scrappy fighter and people underestimate her a lot. It usually takes a hit or two from Jessica and they are down.

Madame Gao deserved to have her guts and blood painted on the wall, should’ve let The Punisher deal with her

Lord Schyler Matt is so skilled

Lord Schyler Blind guy= One of the most naturally skilled people on Marvel Earth Old woman= Strongest finger of the hand

Old lady with telamecis

Matt is one of the best martial artists in Marvel, probably the best after Black Panther and Blade.

Hamza Khaliq daredevil is behind iron fist, fat cobra, elektra and mantis as well

True. One of the most charismatic and enjoyable vilains in Marvel series. And in the whole MCU.

Nope

Hela is way better.

No, she's basically Marvel Netflix's Emperor Palpatine.

She is THE SENATE.

She's awesome

It is not weird at all. Jessica Jones is my favorite of the Defenders, but Madame Gao is such a great villain who doesn't need to lift a finger to seem threatening. But if she ever does deign to lift a finger, you'd best make peace with your maker. Love her character, and the actress and the writers deserve so much credit for making her so charming and intimidating at the same time.

Indeed. To be honest, she never should have been involved in this scene. Sure she's powerful, but still slow and still and old lady with a cane. Fighting all these people all once, let alone people with super strength like Jessica or Luke was straight up suicide and stupid for Gao since she's more of a planner.

@@EmptyMan000 eh id still argue shes the most powerful finger of the hand

@@EmptyMan000Idk she was fading them tbh

That noise it made when JJ hit Gao with the pipe killed me 😂

Yeah they all were when they found Daredevil got out of retirement to deal with them. To our knowledge, he's the only one aside from the Chaste and the Iron Fists who had been able to put a dent in their operations. He beat one of their best fighters more than once.

Angel of Sarcasm Because she has enhanced durability and endurance due to being a K'un-Lunan and possessing chi powers. It's also why she has telekinetic abilities. If you were looking for a continuity error, there isn't one here.

You don't understand chi can penetrate solid objects if got inside their organs causing internal damage luckily those two aren't normal humans their dead if they are

@@six7595 hmm I'm seeing you more and more I'm sure you are here because of Madame gao aswell and her chi I've seen you many empty force videos such as ling kong jing standing meditation and many tenaga dalam videos

I think this is the worst fighting scene of all Netflix Marvel series. The cuts, the camera movement, the lighting, everything is terrible and you can't follow the action at all. DD vs Electra was the best fight of the series.

HANDS down :-)

@Goddamn 47 I literally have no clue why I posted that response

@Goddamn 47 then again, u can definitely type for shit with ur incredible grammar that I see u have now edited

@Goddamn 47 wtf that was 9 months ago. I literally give no shits lmao

Danny can be schooled by a cactus at this point

@@rKhael53 Meh, this is right after Iron Fist season 1, and I don't recall Danny ever losing a fight in that season. My memory is not as sharp for Iron Fist season 2, but up until this point the only people who were shown to be superior in h2h combat to Danny was Matt and Elektra, and we never got to see Matt's fight actually play out with Danny, but it would have most likely gone the same way as it did here with Elektra considering Matt was able to hold his own against her while holding back the entire time.

Without superhuman strength and durability, Danny would mop the floor with that joke Elektra.

@@H.K.5 She did not have superhuman strength, she trained for a while under the Hand as the Black Sky. You are forgetting that Elektra was superior to almost everyone in s2 except Matt and Nobu. She even beat Stick in a fight so to sit there and act like she is nothing is wild. The only one with superpowers is Danny. Man hit her right in the chest with the Iron Fist and still lost.

@@IzakD8 She knocked Matt and Jessica out with a single kick, managed to hurt Luke Cage, send Murakami flying across the air with a single slap. She never had feats anywhere near as impressive as these in Season 2 of Daredevil, she was definitely enhanced in the Defenders. Not to mention she took a punch from Danny’s Iron Fist, that punched would’ve instantly killed Season 2 Elektra.

It’s dumb as hell, Luke should be able to destroy Gao with little effort.

They are nowhere near trained in the martial arts like Matt is. Their abilities rely on them dealing with people that aren’t of the super natural. This was their first encounter with anything close to that.

​@@H.K.5Luke should be able to easily handle an ancient mystal ninja? Sure.

At the time of titling it, yes. But she hardly does anything, so it's not worth correcting.

Yeah. The writers. It's always felt so weird to me how she was treated in this show. All the characters kept talking to her as if she was some useless child when that's always been FAR from the case.

Not the same but her walking stick does contain a sword.

Jessica Jones - Impregnable

​@@H.K.5Not in the comics 😂

Maybe because of Gao powers!

Huckleberry Hound Her Chi gives people nausea and makes them feel dizzy she is that fast 😁

I had no idea WTF was going on, it changes angles so much, I had to pause it and watch everything back to back

@@Matt_Underwood this looks really bad

Yeah there’s wayyyyy to many cuts while having close shots

They are said to only get together whenever they need more dragon bones. When not seeking immortality, they return to their mother countries where they have a large powerbase.

Then don't you think that for an operation that is imperative to them maintaining their eternal life, they should have brought along a bigger force? You would think being alive for thousands of years would have taught them not to leave anything as sensitive as maintaining their immortality to chance, but no, all they bring along is a bunch of goons with guns. It is laughable to assume they were unaware of the abilities of Jessica and Luke, considering how high profile their cases had been. And they send what against Luke? Guns. With lead bullets, not even the Chitauri metal ones. Heck, had I been their leader, I would have pulled all the strings to frame up the Defenders and send in the National Guard or something against them. Hydra came to power (according to the movies) some six decades ago and they had a better control of the US government.

The Hand don't try and run governments. All they care about is living forever so they can return to Kun Lun. Alexandra used the rest of the substance without the other fingers' permission, and she reveals that to them during the season. This is why they're so unprepared in the Defenders show, they thought they still had immortality.

I don't know man, the entire point in the show for the Hand was that they hand their fingers in everything. Total global influence but also secrecy, the fact that they had talked about their army's for a lot of the show but when revealed about not having immortality anymore you think they would have just played it safe and stay inside their hideout until their army arrives instead of them risking their lives without the stuff anymore and fighting the Defenders on their own.

and all of their ninjas dissappeared, all was left was goons with firearmss@@Kncperseus

I want to see bushmaster fight daredevil. The only reason why bushmaster would win is because he’s superhuman. If you gave them equal stats then daredevil wins..

​@grudgematch6653 Daredevil having superior sense and acrobatic skills would help gain the upper hand. And he's no stranger to going up against someone with overwhelming strength and skill.

@@bryanrogers5648 Daredevil has never gone up against anyone like Bushmaster, he wouldn’t stand a chance. Daredevil is a normal human being with superhuman senses whereas Bushmaster is a super soldier who can tank bullets and destroy metal with his bare hands.

Max Ponsonby how

Not at all. DD is no less competent as a fighter in his own show than he is here, and Luke only struggled so much here because the Hand leaders have chi powers, especially Gao.

Luke can't fight. Take away his bulletproof skin and super strength then he's nothing more than an untrained man. But that's what makes him so cool.

John Skinner have you watched Luke cage s2? He can way better than he did in s1 and defenders he might be no daredevil but he has some skills

Do i fucking know you? Yeah but think about it this way. If you're a fully grown man fighting an army of toddlers and you have no clue how to fight, by the end of it, you're gonna have a few tricks up your sleave when you fight more toddlers.

Dude and please don't tell me I just saw Matt fell there because that would be stupid to show that lol 2:05 and then have colleen saving him he was doing fine and he could have definitely avoided that swing by himself but still though props to Colleen for doing that and the duo fighting against bakuto at the same time

So it is hitting a blind man

That nice old lady's cane conceals a sword that she once drove through the mouth of one of her henchmen.

I guess that means nobu is above the other two. If nobu was in the defenders show and part of the hand then it would’ve been game over for the heroes💀

Daredevil has greatly improved since then. Yeah, he struggled with Nobu, but that gave him a better understanding of how the higher-ups of the Hand fight.

Couldn't be. Two of the five fingers were dead by this point.

All five fingers of the Hand and the Black Sky have mystical powers, gifting them enhanced strength.

Luke's powers have been portrayed very inconsistently. He was able to stop a speeding vehicle without budging in his own series.

The same problems exist in the films. Captain America can survive a stories-high drop one moment, and then get his ass kicked by some martial artist the next.

Yea, basically their powers are whatever is required for the scene.

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Kncperseus probably like a chi push

shes the taichi queen

The skeleton belonged to an ancient dragon, and the bone marrow was the substance they used to bring themselves back from the dead.

At least the choreography is better than Iron Firs,Jessica and Luke Cage (but Jessica and Luke still very good)!

The sound effect is so cartoonish

To be fair luke was nerfed to hell this whole scene

​@@kyeflint1Was he tho? Gao throughout all the shows was clearly displayed as the most powerful of the five fingers. Her mastery over chi rivals Danny's and we've seen that the Iron Fist is one of the few remaining things that can harm Luke. So it stands to reason that a leader of an ancient mystical ninja organization who can manipulate chi like no other could harm him too.

Ugh did you see the scene in The Defenders where Daredevil kicks Danny's ass? Daredevil landed so many more hits and was enjoying it walking him back, if you put Danny 2nd because of his "Power level" the fist doesn't count in terms of skill. Top 5 should go: 5. Winter Soldier 4. Captain America 3. Iron Fist 2. Elektra 1. Daredevil I also left out Black Panther for now since we haven't really seen much from him in terms of skill, not saying he won't be number 1 but for now that spot goes to Daredevil having more show of proof until BP's solo movie comes out. Also seeing that Bucky could handle T'chala pretty well.

Childish Ar Donnie Yen would squash them all like lemons, LOL

Gojira5400 black panther beat Bucky ass the whole civil war movie and elektra goes above Matt

​@@pra7640no, childish! The defenders would stomp Donnie hard, daredevil is more agile he could dodge and smack him back for Luke to throw him across the room then Jessica would do the same then daredevil punches him hard, now then Danny would use his chi for a finish and how the f is it possible for him to even beat the avengers with powerful characters like captain America, winter soldier and black panther, nah not a chance no offense but those guys are too much power, winter soldier would easily strangle him since he's human and isn't superhuman, cap would do the same to him like he did to batroc when cap loses it then tackles him through a door and knock him hard limp with one hard punch, and t'challa could use his speed and skill that are enhanced by the heart shaped herb and easily knock him down then like what he could've done to bucky, he could've slashed him slashed hard dead already so yea. To be honest Donnie yen from his own films have done impressive feats taking on extremely skilled martial artists easily beating almost every single one of them and many more he faces which he'll easily beat because of his skill and training but none of them are even ever near the super soldiers level, donnie is good at fighting like extremely impressive but if he gets too cocky and tries to fight someone luke cap, Bucky and t'challa, then they'll all easily obliterate. I'm not dumb cuz I saw their feats, even shang chi can't take them either because of their stats but Shang is by far impressive in fighting ever in the MCU but the super soldiers also other powerful superhuman characters including Captain America, Bucky and t'challa, the trio stomp hard

Yes, Bakuto and Madame Gao are the only already existing fingers of the Hand.

It depends if Madam Goa is supposed to be Crane Mother or not. Nobu from Daredevil appeared as a Hand Warrior in an Electra limited series (as Kagenobu Yoshioka) and there was a character called Murakami in the 5 Ronin Series that featured alternative versions of Wolverine, Psylock and Punisher, Hulk and Deadpool. Some of the named hand leaders probably couldn't be used because they were introduced in Wolverine comics and may be considered under the banner of the men licence. Weird they didn't use Kirigi though.

Yeah, I'd love to see Gorgon in the MCU. He's heavily tied to HYDRA and the Hand, the only problem is he's a mutant. So, who knows who owns him?

Just like 2:32

Really wish that he, Murakami and Alexandra were shown to have unique abilities of their own. Gao had mastery of chi that can only be rivaled by Danny, Sowande had pressure point strikes that weakend Luke, but the other three? Why didn't they have anything special?

I'd argue that Sowande would've been a massive problem had Stick not killed him.

I seriously don’t like how they showed Sowande being a threat to Luke Cage then Luke just defeats him off screen anyway

​@@terribletimes902Agreed.

They're mystical ninjas. They have superhuman strength, not to the degree of Luke or even Jessica but enough to combine with their centuries worth of skill to make tough to defeat.

Slim FG Elektra was the real black sky all along she was resurrected

Slim FG Apparently there's more than one.

There's many possible Black Skies, but only one true Black Sky.

You wanted the Madame Gao scenes to be a tracking shot? They are doing the best they can :P.

Baris Bal movie? Its a series not a movie

www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/overpowered-and-weakened-mcu-heroes/amp/ Definitely was nerfed same with danny.

If by she you mean Madame Gao, then yes I think it's possible. Elektra and Matt got out and she has telekinesis to help protect her. They never even touched stuff like The Beast, so the Hand may return in the future. Also, they never showed her death, it seemed too clean.

Icefarrow Yeah I hope she doesn't die she is such a wise powerful character like Yoda even in Star Wars 😂

As wise as Yoda and as evil as Palpatine, haha.

I don't think she did. If she did, then she was pretty much asking for it since she had plenty of time to leave the building.

Luke K deffo she'll be the last living member of The Hand and she'll probably get even more powerful

he was good in defenders, im sure he will be great in season 2 with the new showrunner

@@thecuriousboi And he was. Shame it got cancelled when it was finally getting good.

@@icefarrow7959 yeah well i didnt like them giving colleen more screen time, but it was a vast improvement compared to s1, i wish daredevil wasnt cancelled, that one hurted the most

Yes, she can harness her chi similarly to Iron Fist. She's used her powers in DD S1, Iron Fist S1, and now Defenders.

Icefarrow Ah. I didn't finish iron fist so i didn't know aha. I do remember her absolutely owning matt though

She also owns Danny in IF S1E6: Immortal Emerges From Cave. That's a good episode, I'd consider watching it even if you gave up on the show.

Icefarrow Is she like really powerful then? I'll give it a watch

No, not really. She's not even involved in a fight. She hosts a martial arts tournament to resolve a conflict, which Danny attends.

I mean they all have super strength and superior technique. He’s a street brawler with impenetrable skin and super strength. He can facetank and lift, but that’s about it. It’s like saying someone who lifts weights stands a chance against an MMA fighter in the same weight class, and lifts the same amount. It’s trained vs. untrained.

@@GamingLovesJohn Luke’s strength and durability should be way above any of the Hand members, there’s no way he should be struggling against them. In Season 2, he was holding his own against Bushmaster who’s a more skilled fighter than anyone in the Hand.

@@GamingLovesJohnhe’s trained He’s a literal cop and learned how to fight in Prison He’s just not as skilled as the Hand

​@@H.K.5Bushmaster is definitely closer in skill to the Hand but no superior. But combine that with his strength and he probably wins against them.

What are you on about? She's always had them.

We know.

>The fight is poor,,, low bugdet and lack choreography,,, You should see CW Arrow's "fights".

Sylinic hey season 5 got some good choreography, as for the two seasons before that... let's just not talk about that

The CGI was incomplete, not low-budget. There's an elevator scene in episode 8 where the VFX company didn't even get far: Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage look like cardboard cutouts. It really needs to be polished before disc and digital release.

Francesco Asaro yea,,,and those shaking cam

Agreed, shakey cam is really annoying. People truly hate it now! The guy who does manage and directs; Daredevil's stunts scenes is truly good to make these shows shine despite the budget looking cheap sometimes on'em. He previous did; Buffy and Angel as well. Whenever i see his name in the credits of a TV series i know its going to at least be halfway decent!