Dark Side Of Coke Studio | The Rafay Mahmood Podcast

Dark Side Of Coke Studio | The Rafay Mahmood Podcast | Ft Ali Raj

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In this gripping follow-up podcast, "Dark Side of Coke Studio," Rafay Mahmood once again joins forces with Ali Raj, a distinguished scholar from Columbia Journalism School, to delve into the controversies and hidden facets of Pakistan's most beloved music project. While their previous podcast celebrated the triumphs and artistic achievements of Coke Studio, this episode takes a bold turn, uncovering the underbelly that fans and audiences seldom see.
Explore the contentious debates, internal struggles, and behind-the-scenes conflicts that have shaped Coke Studio's journey. From power dynamics and creative clashes to ethical dilemmas and commercial pressures, Rafay and Ali leave no stone unturned in their quest to reveal the untold stories and controversial moments that have impacted this cultural phenomenon.
Discover how producer Rohail Hyatt and other key figures navigated these turbulent waters, often balancing artistic integrity with commercial success. Gain insight into the darker aspects of the music industry, as our hosts discuss issues such as intellectual property disputes, the exploitation of artists, and the challenges of maintaining authenticity in an ever-commercializing world.
Ali Raj, a PhD Candidate in Communications at Columbia University whose research focuses on aesthetics, sound, and media infrastructures, brings his scholarly expertise and critical lens to the conversation. Follow Ali on X @anaarikibandooq to stay updated on his latest insights.
Join us for an eye-opening journey as Rafay and Ali pull back the curtain on the controversies and hidden stories of Coke Studio, offering a rare and candid glimpse into the complexities behind one of Pakistan's most iconic musical ventures. Don't miss this chance to hear the real stories behind the music and the powerful forces that shape it.
#cokestudio #cokestudiopakistan #rafaymahmood #TheRafayMahmoodPodcast
Timecodes:
Intro: 0:00
Fire on the sets of Coke Studio: 2:03
Coca-Cola’s liability: 5:44
Media industry’s mafia: 11:30
Coke Studio and ‘famesque’ artists: 17:28
Copyright violations: 21:00
Diversity and representation: 33:50
Xulfi and storytelling: 40:20
Coke Studio Pakistan vs Coke Studio India: 43:20
Pakistani pop and flow: 47:55
Boycott: 54:44
Live recording: 1:00:20
Will Rohail Hyatt come back?: 1:01:10
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@biker1715 Ай бұрын

Also, shout out to you both for bringing proper Urdu to your audience, what a far cry from most content producers, yoututbers from Pakistan whose verbiage comes across as pretentious and unsophisticated , this was so soothing and enriching to hear the proper language

@TheHadi2008 Ай бұрын

Both videos on Coke Studio is full of great insights and knowledge. Learned a lot and the nuance based discussion on display here was thoroughly refreshing. Again as others have pointed out Ali Raj’s Urdu is beautiful and very pleasant surprise for me to see in young people today. Also I am proud to say that I know Mohsin Changezi as he is my neighbour in Quetta and I also belong to Hazara community as Mohsin Changezi.

@mansoorchauhan Ай бұрын

علی راج صاحب کی گفتگو سنی، دل باغ باغ ہو۔ دونوں نشستوں کی گفتگو سن کر لگا کہ دریا سے بس ایک پیالہ ہی نکال پائے ہوں۔ مزید نشستوں کا اہتمام کرکے رونق بڑھاتے رہیں۔ پیشگی شکریہ۔

@aligohar2895 Ай бұрын

I incredibly like Ali’s pronunciation and “sheen kaaf” in Urdu. Love and respect for his grip over ideas and subject matter. I’m a fan.

@taymiaali3215 Ай бұрын

Thanks Rafay and Ali - I can’t wait to finish listening to this podcast - excellent content and thought.

@elusion2012 Ай бұрын

I'm addicted to Ali Raj's commentary. Need more analyses on Pk pop music

@roomi2222 Ай бұрын

2 Nobodies are trying to stain only positive production that is presenting Pakistan's positive image globally. Clearly, this podcast is agenda driven to stir unnecessary controversies. Such incidents take place all around the world but you will never see people doing this sort of shit. And I am pretty sure that this guest has landed from Mars to Earth just yesterday. The entire world knows CS India is trying to copy CS Pakistan Season 14 in visual aspect and here this gentleman is telling us the CS Pakistan has "Surrendered" to CS India. Such a shame.

@mishaalsiddiqui512 Ай бұрын

you guys should do a podcast on music specifically - we don't have ample platforms to learn about it and sadly we do not offer any degree program related to it!

@biker1715 Ай бұрын

good discussion Rafay, Ali Raj is excellent and brings a holistic view on art and culture of the region, you two also have a good understanding of the brand play in the background, that said "brand" as a function and as a concept has evolved drastically in the last two decades, and in that storytelling, revealing the place and process of brith etc, are intrinsic to any image building initiative as well as elevating the cause, the question I would raise is whether Coke Studio can be a brand on its own? i-e it's not dependant on marketing budget of a beverage brand, (though in this case it's the biggest beverage company in the world), how will that affect its direction viz artist selection, music and fusion, will it be as extravagant as it is now, specially season 15, compete with music labels? Is it at that point now? Is there a sustainable business model ?

@elusion2012 Ай бұрын

Ali Raj should be a regular!!!!

@arijman454 Ай бұрын

great episode, especially the bit about melody and lyric writing in Pakistani pop music...need more episodes!

@AsBi1 Ай бұрын

very informative discussion.. 👍

@haseebanjum3554 Ай бұрын

Firstly, really interesting conversation, Secondly, I really liked the color combination of the things.. i dont know if you did that on purpose or not but it feels very pleasant to the eyes. For instance, Ali Raj has white coffee mug that matches your shirt color and Rafay's coffee cup resembles Ali's outfit. Also the background wall for Ali is the same as the flowers on Rafay's shirt. So jesy guftugu apas me ghul rahi hai wesy hi tasveer bhi. Ya shayed me kuch zyada hi soch rha hun hahahaha.

@siddhantbhardwaj Ай бұрын

This is a riveting conversation and thank you for approaching CS with the seriousness it deserves. However a few comments 1. There is no objective definition of what is or isn’t “good” music. What may sound to be as a “new age” unpolished songwriting, is precisely why it may be liked. The whole reason the Pakistani pop scene burst massively in India WAS that there was a raw authenticity to singers like Atif/Jal/Roxen that wasn’t in India. Atif is of course an untrained singer, however, even a Sonu Nigam, or a Javed Bashir cannot sing Woh Lamhe. That music in this convo is being judged through an objective lens, comes across as naive to me. Some off handed terms being used to describe new age singers also seem very dismissive by Ali bhai. 2. The videos being a tad too forced resonated with me. However, I will say, that to imply that “2AM isnt saying anything that deep” is again a fallacy. What is, or isn’t deep is for a listener to judge. Its supposed to be a personal interpretation. So while I can see your points around the first bit, the second seems a little off mark. In any case; these cant be judged first objective facts, and should be clarified as such. 3. I still can’t believe these songs are recorded live. Post-processing or not, I still do not believe it. Because if they have actually gone ahead and recorded this live, its an unbelievable win. To have such intricate recordings, which are so well produced, so clean, and then say all of them are live ? That elevates this to the best of the best productions in the world imo. If that truly is the case, then I do not understand how you guys just skip over this as a addendum at the end. This should be the most important part of the discussion. That sets a new benchmark to Pakistani music production that shouldnt just be glossed over. All in all, great discussion, but hopefully Ali Raj can open up his mind a little broader and allow for subjective interpretations. Otherswise it gives a “Boomer rants against kids” vibe which is ironical given Ali’s so much younger than Xulfi Bhai.

@HusnainRaNa Ай бұрын

Bohat Axcha Laga Podcast Ali Raj Bhai Ke Saath Conversation Ka Ek Alag Hi Level Hota hein Please Ye Series Rukni Nahi Chahiye Do More Podcasts On Coke Studio World 🔥😍

@Kashef-Majed Ай бұрын

First of all Rafay your shirt is bomb. Pretty cool. Very entertaining episode. Aap nai TU Ali ki speaking speed k comments ko dil p hi lai liya. Khair episode was wonderful. Thanks for bringing him back.

@dashingdevil640 Ай бұрын

Please can Ali raj come back and talk about the decline of pakistani pop and specially the sudden peak in early 2000 with it disappearing in 2006/2007.

@TheHadi2008 Ай бұрын

@ibraheemayyaz1059 Ай бұрын

Thank You for bringing back Ali Raj 😊 plz do more podcast with Ali Raj.

@RafayMahmoodPodcast Ай бұрын

We will!

@usmanpannu1 Ай бұрын

Thank u for bringing ali raj back

@usmanpannu1 Ай бұрын

Plz more of ali raj❤

@fawad994 Ай бұрын

Love the energy with which Ali explained in the second half.

@RafayMahmoodPodcast Ай бұрын

Thanks

@Teeeepz Ай бұрын

Very nice Podcast...

@RafayMahmoodPodcast Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@FarhanMalik07 Ай бұрын

Amazing

@creativepagal Ай бұрын

As an Indian, we don't get much of this information, so thank you, KZfaq algorithm, for recommending this video! I also think Rafay Mahmood is sharing a lot of his own opinions. He should clarify his ideology by saying that according to him, Season 15 looks like forced storytelling. This problem exists in India and other countries as well, where forceful opinions can influence people, especially in this age of influencers. I really like Ali Raj's perspective and feel that in the middle, he was just agreeing with Rafay because he was on his podcast. I wish to hear more from Ali Raj about Coke Studio music. It would be great if both individuals didn't agree on every point they discuss, as it felt one-sided. Initially, Ali Raj tried to present a balanced view, but later on, Rafay's forceful opinions dominated.

@biker1715 Ай бұрын

One more point, this I also felt in Nescafe Basement, not all but some artists and some songs have a very noticeable, jingle veneer to them which undermine the effort IMO, feels very GMO

@aizazhaider9057 24 күн бұрын

sab jag soye was from season 9

@mahboobali1969 16 күн бұрын

They were talkinv about Sayan from season 12, that got copyright strikes

@enn6341 Ай бұрын

I wasted my time here!! The only good thing coming out of Pakistan and you guys are trying to bank through it by digging useless dirt. If four-five people even try to do a project , many differences, issues and political complications of getting permits and all come in between...this is a grand project where thousands of people have been involved!! It is bound to encounter accidents like fires and break downs or personal erratic behaviors disrupting the process!! What is the big deal in that?? I completely disagree with the whole conversation and stand by Coke Studio as a pure fan!! Plz donot try to smear the only thing that make us Pakistanis proud!! I would say quit it and back off!!

@AsBi1 Ай бұрын

bhaai itne cuts kyun lagaayein hein.. lagta hai kuch baatein kaat di hein..

@jahaaneali6757 Ай бұрын

its not enough please do another podcast

@RafayMahmoodPodcast Ай бұрын

Coke Studio: The Inside Story kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grKlit171bOwf6s.html

@burhananis3685 Ай бұрын

Was it Sab Jag Soye or Saiyaan - mein taa marr jaaniyaan?

@hiratehreeem5675 Ай бұрын

👌

@ekhan2834 Ай бұрын

The anchor has his own axe to grind

@ShahFaisalz Ай бұрын

More on coke studio 😅

@shehzy9091 Ай бұрын

Do you think that CS focusing on video and visuals more than the music (which has been very mid this season), and CS videos getting views in the start as soon as they get uploaded bcz of them being in the ad of every other KZfaq video and then views becoming stagnant, (i.e, whole focus on video and views than music), is because of the fact that Xulfi would be getting major share out of KZfaq earnings?

@mrrrrr5158 Ай бұрын

Personal opinion there. The music in my view is and always will be the MAIN thing. If the music is not up to standard then the views on the videos will not be as high as they are. I've liked 80% of the released songs so far, fantastic music.

@zunnurainzahoor Ай бұрын

Please talk about Rohail Hyatt his production and his recent upload of lal - e sahrai he claimed and he will working on music and he will soon upload music 3 years he did not upload anything and also talk about his secret garden would be really glad to see Rahaill on you podcast

@ABBY14462 Ай бұрын

These people are literally nobody , i personally worked there in CS 14 and CS 15. problems har jagan hoti hai tum log usko cash kr rahay ho woh b negative way me

@uzairabbas6479 Ай бұрын

34:40 - 35:40

@mahboobali1969 16 күн бұрын

Thora jhot bolo yar, blockbuster bhi live recorded hy ??? Uski behind the scenes dekho 😀😀

@asmasiddiqi1 Ай бұрын

Pakola Studio!

@saeedanasir Ай бұрын

you know people can just speed up the video rather than you changing your style of speaking.

@raees_ahmad_mughal Ай бұрын

Please talk about rohail's secret garden

@uzairabbas6479 Ай бұрын

please give me some context what is Rohail's secret garden ?

@raees_ahmad_mughal Ай бұрын

Because he loves plants, Rohail has a secret rooftop garden which i hear that has really unique and positive feeling. The frequencies of plants compare to the narural frequencies. There is a lot of magic happening in Rohail's secret garden...

@aizazhaider9057 25 күн бұрын

well that's not a secret

@starstudios1m391 Ай бұрын

Rohail hayatt kahan hain?

@dashing976 Ай бұрын

Very informative podcast. keep up the good work!

@RafayMahmoodPodcast Ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@kaleemabbas7989 Ай бұрын

Do you agree with your point of view of Boycott of Coca-Cola

@AbdullahKhan-fd5hl Ай бұрын

Yes shut down the only thing happening in music in pak with the younger gen having a shot at stardom waste of time

@holyangel316 Ай бұрын

Coke studio seasons till Rohail Hayat were interesting and entertaining for me. After that it didn't got my internet.

@usmankhaki Ай бұрын

Urdu is a language of Heera Mandi

@mohsinsaeed1148 Ай бұрын

Irony is, you guys are talking about "storytelling" in Coke Studio in this season, yet you both are doing the same at the next level, just randomly talking about this and that, trying hard to make your own self important figures in industry, ma us sy mila, meri us sy bat hoi, flan nain mjhy btaya, which isn't even needed, just making irrelevant points, in punjabi we say "Paani ma Madhani" dal rhay ho bus for the sake of making a so called "PODCAST".

@ehsansalah-ud-din7568 Ай бұрын

Nit-Picking.

@Saqib_AliRana Ай бұрын

this guy is stating some very obvious stuff as breaking news.

@muhammadsuleman2903 Ай бұрын

I don’t understand the reason why you are discussing something you cannot control. It sounded more like you are back biting after the fact that you two are not part of CS anymore.

@Saqib_AliRana Ай бұрын

Off course brands only pay for production, they don't produce the media. Dude thinks Pepsi C.E.O sat with Junaid Jamshed to write all those songs

@salmanbasir2115 Ай бұрын

They are trying very hard to highlight negativity in CS- these people probably did not get paid( extortion). You are jealous. They are not aware how production companies work all over the world- there are up to a dozen entities involved in production and ownership- look at credits in any movie to look find out about this process.

@azeemA147 Ай бұрын

Unnecessary nit picking. This podcast serves no purpose. What’s the point? The host is so annoying!!

@shahzaibkhan9896 Ай бұрын

har koi paaad caster bana hua hai you tube ko pakistan mai ban hona chaye jis ki jo marzi bol raha hai podcast ka kakh pata nahi hai kya bala hai ye bas do mic kharido aur bakwas shuru