Almost 10 years since the first game came out and lore is still coming. Surefire sign that a franchise has a great story

I see dark souls, I like immediately.

God do I miss your ds3 lore good to see you back!

Here is the thing, I don't think Sulyvahn was a follower of Aldrich at all, his aim was World conquest and he was just using these clerics of the Cathedral of the Deep. I've been watching these videos about what was lost in translation from the original Japanese text, the text in Sulyvahn Soul implies that he left Gwyndolin for Aldrich to eat but in the original Japanese there is no implied intention, he imprisoned Gwyndolin and then Aldrich came and ate him but that was not planned. And then there is Archdeacon McDonnell, who is locked inside a well being watched by 2 of Sulyvahn Beasts, why he's there? Because Sulyvahn didn't want any true believer mucking up his plans, he was just using them and since McDonnell was a true follower of Aldrich he had to be taken out. But why he decided to associate with those guys at all? Maybe they were just a pliable bunch, but I really think it's because all these things associations with the Abyss, Sulyvahn was still using the power of the Profaned Flame and working with the deranged survivors or the Profaned Capital, he needed a way to introduce his Abyss touched Sorceries and Pyromacies to the the Way of White and the Clerics of the Deep were just the ones more open to these Dark practices, what happened with Aldrich was ancient history at this point so Sulyvahn knew he could use them. And then Aldrich was raised by the Bell of Awakening and ruined everything for Sulyvahn, which is why when we find him he seems to have Hollowed.

NoT EnOuGh VeLkA. Srsly glad you are back at it Jake. Much Love.

Not that it’s too important, but I’m the Cathedral of the Deep there’s an Evangelist praying in a tower that drops a Deep Gem when you first kill her. She is praying to what seems like a “pool of Deep”. Not a huge revelation, but I always found it fascinating

I can't say I agree with the take that Sullyvahn's father is Nito simply because they're both associated with eyes (if this is a strong enough association, the Red, Blue and Black eye orbs also need to be mentioned), but that singular point aside, fantastic work as always Jake! Can't wait to see what you've dug up on Rosaria.

What's the connection between the Deep and the Abyss, and why do human dregs look like deflated humanity sprites? Another thing I've noticed its that the Embers in ds3 take the same general shape as the humanity sprites/human effigies, but on fire. Maybe the Embers are remnants of the Humanity fed to the Bonfires/First Flame throughout the eons? And maybe the human dregs are weakened versions of Humanity that was in the process of "drying up", like the Pygmies' Dark Soul. I think the connection between the human dregs and the embers have some support, given that an Aldritch Faithful can only pillage these dregs from Embered undead.

Nito was also supposed to be the boss from the Painted World of Dark Souls 1.

I love to see new vids regarding the lore, I'm on my first NG+s of the trilogy, and this helps a lot to reflect deeper on the story

Great Video man. The Deep is such a fascinating concept. I like your idea of it being a place where souls & humanity go. Would love to hear you on a lengthy podcast chatting about all these things with Sinclair Lore & JSF! 😀

Great to have you back, man!

A coming age of the deep sea does that means Aldrich could be OCEAN MAN?

Thank you for continuing to make dark Souls content.... As darks souls' fire fades away, you stay to stoke it's embers for awhile longer.

The Deep, it's residents, the coming Age of the Deep Sea, and basically everything associated with The Deep has been very fascinating and quite possibly Dark Souls 3 greatest mystery. Keep it coming. I miss Dark Souls 3 lore videos and yours are among the most comprehensive available.

Thanks again for more Lore :p Cant get enough of Dark Souls. This does make a great amount of sense.

I always thought that the Deep was just another name for the Abyss.

This has made my day! So glad to see new Dark Souls content. Thank you!! ❤️

Great to still see new dark souls content

I think when you talk about the Deep and stagnation you have to mention Shintoism's relationship with pollution and water. Much like Bloodborne while there's lots of use of western iconography and references (especially religious) Miyazaki clearly doesn't mind mixing it with Eastern philosophy and religious beliefs. Sekiro carries on with many of these themes without the western influence and so it becomes much clearer to see.

Awesome work! I have played DS3 many times but it's hard to put things into perspective.

Love to see more lore in 2020 😍

Can we please get a video behind the lore of Aldrich because I find him very fascinating because of all the other gods he has eaten(that sounds weird to say). I like watching your videos on lore better than other channels because of how much thought you obviously put into it. I'm honestly confused on his lore and it could possibly even just be explained in a reply, idk. I've also always wondered about the lore of ash lake.

This was a great video. I really the theory about the deep itself near end.

The Pontiff had his hands (eyes) in everything in DS3. Consider the locations of the Outrider Knights, the regular ones as well as Vordt and the Dancer. His Coup in Irythyl, alliance with Aldritch, and influence on Lothric... it's no wonder he was originally considered to be the final boss of the game. His eyes seem to have a similarly corrupting affect as Aldritches Ruby and Sapphire rings interesting enough. It's also interesting to me to see him in his 3 stages, as I call it, how he looks early on, coming from the painted world, as depicted on his doll, he wears a headwrap similar to pyromancers.. How he's depicted in Lothric atop the fountain, having discovered the profaned flame and wielding only the profaned greatsword. Finally wielding both profaned greatsword and the greatsword of judgement having overthrown Gwyndolin, solidified his power in Irythyl. I would like to point out the use of Giant Slaves in the Deep. It's actually unique to the Cathedral and the only place-time we see slaves like this in the souls universe is in DS2. I know we hate to consider DS2 lol but this may be significant. They also seem to be GIANT Giants which I never hear anyone addressing...

When I hear "the deep" I immediately thought of bloodborne: maybe is that what happen at the end of the world? Maybe Aldritch wanted to be a great old one????

Personally I pegged Sulyvahn as Ciaran’s son Also, I’d also like to point out that in the Ringed City it is implied that the Dark undergoes states of matter as it ages. The new, recent Dark is gaseous, as seen with Wolnir, and is known as the Abyss. Older Dark condenses into liquid, the Deep. Finally, the oldest, most ancient Dark crystalizes, seen in the formations in the Ringed City swamp, or on the body of Midir

Hey Ashen, any theories on why hollows become trees like near the tower on the wall bonfire?

Can`t belive... New Dark Souls content !

+Monocle Squid I both agree with you, and think there's slightly more. Like how Manus was a bundle of tortured rage, and his humanity does seem to take certain forms. If anything, I'd say it behaves liquidly when puppeteered by him. Like rain, like a splash of water, like a ripple for the closing in... Perhaps it's an expression of his sadness? Rain is sad, the splash is like pushing away, and the closing in ring I is like the humanity is giving him a hug. The daughters/shards of Manus all bear powers that correlate to the emotion they have/are, Nashandra of Want, curses you and curse is strongly tied to desire to move forward and Want to continue, Elanna with rage that constantly seethes as poison, or explodes as fire, Nadalia, the lonely (by my reading), broke her soul to further bind her body in the form of ash to Brume Tower, her ash being a representation of her smothering loneliness, her flames as frustration at even being too lonely to reach Brume Tower in time for the reign of the Old Iron King, and the FUGS is an object of both ash, and the notion of solidarity, as it was a gift to the also-lonely Raime, a gift of solidarity, hence it is as solid as stone. Also that her idols heal and protect him and those of the Iron King, and that her chime boosts faith, which I think represents her fealty like this, is like her flames and ash are warming and protective here. These are all powers wielded by beings made of pure Dark, just varying amounts and committed to different purposes. I was going to go into how Alsanna's ice is fit for purpose, and my personal thought that the Light miracles of Londor and Gertrude fit the role of Dark miracles that are kind of Light-friendly, like ones developed to not directly use the intimidating Dark in the same way as classic Dark, and reach a wider audience, but I've been writing this for a while and want it to go through and sleep.

> what the word pontiff means, which is simply: the pope (paraphrased) Actually pontiff is derived from Pontifex, meaning "bridge". The Romans had a Pontifex Maximus, an office for the man who would serve as a "bridge to the gods" . So Pontiff in this context could be any title that relates to Suly being a bridge between worlds, (possibly being the one who controls access to the world of Irithyl, or something more abstract) not necessarily head of the Cathedral of The Deep

Wow, I sorta see Sulyvahn and Neto’s connection that you are talking about and theorizing, very similar to that of Ganondorf and Demise from the “Legend of Zelda series.

Holy smokes after just finally getting remastered on sale the other day I was going through the catacombs and looking at some of these descriptions like the GGSD and eyes of death but I never thought to make that connection. So in a way it almost seems like the pontiff's eye rings were potentially made by using eyes of death.

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Nito finally got to use that bone ay ayayaya

This video just got me thinking. Possible that the Witch Trees found in the painted world are Pyromancers from the great swamp who literally took root and changed in their new home. We’ve seen hollows becoming tree-like across the High Wall of Lothric. Many of the painted world’s denizens may indeed be those who were forced to leave the Farron Woods area of the outside world. We have Corvians of varying types, The Legion Followers, and evening Great Wolves who seemingly inhabited the Farron region at some point seeing as how their is the Great Wolf Corpse and the Legion’s worship of wolf’s blood. Whatever happened in Farron caused many of its inhabitants to either flee or be exiled from their home and end up in the painting. Sulyvahn being born in the painting to one of these pyromancer women never new exile himself. He saw rot and grief and powerlessness, something he wasn’t about to give into. These origins could help to better explain the state we find Irythill in naturally. Cold, dark, full of pyromancers and hollowing life forms who feed on blood. The roots of humanity or simply sentient life, which anchor us to the deeper (The Deep) parts of our psyche (possibly our Id; cannibalism, greed, lust, fear - all aspects we see associated with characters/enemies involved with this seemingly nebulous concept). The baser roots literally grow and manifest themselves from the bodies of certain individuals.

I’ve only played the first game and I’m immediately drawing connections between whatever the deep is and the abyss. Maybe its just because I thought the idea of the abyss was really cool but it looks to me like maybe they’re related. Thoughts?

Don't forget there is another smaller casket BEHIND Nito.

Well, time for another playthrough.

What is this "All-powerful life-un ability" that keeps being mentioned? I don't think I've seen it in any other lore videos, and I don't think I've come across it in wikis.

all the irithyllian names are gaelic/ irish in origin. eldritch (aldrich), sullivan(sulyvahn), ford(vordt), and mcdonnell. doesn't really bring anything to the lore, but i thought it was kinda cool.

Amazing man! A question that i keep thinking about is that why there are cathedral Knights here and at The Consumed Kings Garden...

Great video and I have a theory about Aldrich as he is a big part of the Church of the Deep. I believe that Aldrich was the most resent Lord of Cinders and responsible for the 'Pus of Man'. First is the visual similarities between Aldrich's true body and the Pus of man. Second all of the other rebellious Lords of Ciders had their territories consumed by what they were trying to prevent. The Abyss Walkers the Abyss and Yhorm the Gaint the Profaned Flame. Finally if as stated in the video Aldrich's Church of the Deep is still active where there is next to no followers left of the other Lords of Cinders.

Yay more Jake and Dark souls best combo :)

By the way, Nito was originally going to be in the Painted World in DS1

If only there were cinematics of Aldrich Devouring Gywndolin..

I think your trying to refer to the idea that Aldritch revealed the deep in the first place. But I do not think this quite fits with the themes of the deep. He is for sure related to the deacon's fall.

one of the best parts to ds3 despite map design and boss:P

Is there a plot against the gods in 3 like.the first one ???? I need to know like what was havel doing and was the lost king gwyns first born and was in on the plot against the gods from the start ???

Maybe the god that Aldrich ate was Nito, and eating him caused his body to decay or become corrupted due to the whole "miasma of death" thingy. Gwyndolin probably wasn't a god, he was just the son of a god. Perhaps becoming a god isn't a given via birth-rites, maybe it's like if you're the son of the president then you aren't also a president. "Gravelord Nito, the First of the Dead, was one of the original four lords that fought against the dragons." Perhaps Gwyn bestowed upon Nito godhood after this. It could explain the gravelord sword of Aldrich, and perhaps eating Nito gave Aldrich the idea to go to Anor Londo from the becoming part of Nito and absorbing his memories.

Someone needs to compile prominent theories into a compendium. Nothing concrete of course, but just all the branching theories and supporting evidence. Would be awesome and probably well over 1000 pages xD

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the pontiff had his beloved profane flame also something that seemed to never burn out and may survive the deep era a flame that never dies the pontiff could use to be the one god of flame in an ers of the deep sea

So is the Deep basically a more concentrated version of the Abyss?

has anyone pointed out that vordt is one of those failed baby dragon things that you see in irithyll dungeon?

With the order of the boss fights you would think Aldrich would be the one in charge, not Sulyvahn

You can literally see The Deep from that balcony where you pick up the Deep Gem. Theres an Evangelist lost in the deep just like Dorhys. The Deep is a deep dark hole of water that was once a sacred place that was corrupted by Aldrich and his kin partaking in cannibalism.

“Such as Rosaria, and shit like that.” 😂

Jesus of the Deep, that is a title I strive for

I think the stagnating souls came from the people that Aldrich ate. Before Aldrich turned into a cannibal, the Deep was a peaceful place

Many eyed wolf beast looks like the beast of darkness from Berserk

A coming age of deep seas. Subnautica. That is all, thank you.

I can't wait for the next Fromsoft ip, Deep souls! or Deepborne

Moy bueno 👍

Church robes are called “Vestments”

Woooop praise the deep

I’m pretty sure a giant skeleton god of death would be infertile plus it’s far more likely Aldrich saw Nito in Gwyndolins memories and conjured the sword like life hunt scythe also Sulyvahn is the way of white pope he was the word of the Gods the Darkmoon Gwyndolin the thought of having him devoured would have come after figuring out Aldrich would be revived

I love your videos, they are dope exactly what i'm looking for in terms of in depth lore analysis. But, and idk why, your intro makes me loose my mind I hate it so much maybe because I've heard it so many times, can you do me a favor and mix me up in a new vid, 'im Jake, the big lore man' id be thrilled tbh.

2nd vid in the span of a month? Why ppl complaining about 2020?

“It takes more than just a vision to push a religion that affects so many people” Buddhism would like to know your location

Give me that thing, your lore video...

I thought the deep was another way to refer to the abyss. In dark souls there's this forever taking hopeless battle against the abyss. How can the deep not be the abyss? ... 🤔

Wouldn’t the hidden girl be yorshka and not percilla

Rabbit trails like how much of the work of H.P. Lovecraft seems to have influenced the nature of The Deep?

"Pontiff" does not translate to "Pope" as in the title of the head of the Catholic church. "Pontiff" means "the speaker of," and has the same root word as "pontificate," which means to speak as an authority. "Pope," also comes from this word, but is not the actual word that "pontiff" comes from. The Pope is the speaker for the church in the same way Sulyvahn for the speaker for (presumably) Aldritch

Yes sir

Why do I smile every time I hear Priscilla

NO STORY! ONLY LORE!

He’s-a da frickin’ Pope!

The portal to The Deep is the giant dark lake at the foot of the cathedral

Is this because of me and that one guys 25 reply contest on the church?

Love your vids, but the Audio is messed up. Pls invest n a bttr mic

Like the video but I think Nito being the Dad is a stretch. I really hate the fact that this is the end of Dark Souls and so little was ever actually explained. I like leaving things up to interpretation but the Dark Souls series has some really good ideas but is so poorly told that it really just seems like a tease for a good story.

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Hello fellow hollows, hunters and shinobi's who is ready for Elden Ring?

The Deep is the Abyss.

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Im sorry that i have to point this out but your intro reminds me of the shitty flute version of my heart will go on.

Jesus was not a saint. Messiah is not analogous to saint. Santa is a saint. Mother Theresa was a saint. Patrick was a saint. Jesus was literally God and the OBJECT of worship. In this analogy, Jesus would be the Deep. Aldritch is like one of his disciples (also saints).

...you are making some HUGE leaps trying to connect Nito to this, and it just. doesn't. fit. The "connection" of the mention of eyes is not enough to overcome the fact that Nito isn't even the same species as Sullyvahn, or existing in the same time or world...

I don't really like you tying nito into this. Theorycrafting is what souls is about so I'm not going to say you're wrong but I do think you're off mark.

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Not an hour long video? Hmmmmmm DISLIKE!

the Deep=the Abyss