Everyone was so focused on Lothric when Lorian was _right there._

Just before I watch any further. Seath was indeed a dragon, but he was not everlasting. He was born without scales, the things that gave the dragons their immortality. meaning he would eventually die of age if not slain. Seath went mad trying to find a way to sustain himself, to mimic the effects of the scales he did not have.

From what I've gathered, Prince Lothric never linked the fire. If you look at his 'cinders' you'll see that unlike the other lords his head is still...a head. The others were skulls because they died to link the flame and awoke as hollows-their humanity spent. Lothric was born expected to link the dying flame, but he was sickly and frail. The royal family attempted to make him stronger so that he could link the fire but instead made him hate his 'destiny'. Lorian, the elder son, would have inherited the throne while Lothric would inherit the flame. That's why Lorian couldn't be lord of cinder-he was meant to be lord of Lothric. Instead, Prince Lothric would be the lord of cinder, his name kinda giving us a clue-his life would ensure the survival of the entire kingdom of lothric. Seeing his brother succumb to the curse, lorian voluntarily sacrificed his health so that lothric could live. Now both of the sons were disabled, which drove oceiros into madness-he wanted another heir, ocelotte, except this time he would ensure that his heir would be strong-thus began his thirst of dragon power. the brothers meanwhile have given up on linking the flame-opting instead for a life of peace. As soon as the ashen one walks in prince lothric makes a comment about us being another 'dogged contender'. to link the fire is basically to collect enough souls to burn. we're just one of many countless champions trying to collect souls to link the fire-and we do so through endless combat. both the princes are weary of the desperate fighting-and rightly so. The entire theme of dark souls 1 and 2 is the futility of our actions-and the never-ending cycle of struggle,respectively. Lothric chooses to do what some of us did in previous games-which is to simply let the flame die and walk away. Emma, who raised lothric, summons us to make the younger prince a lord. her interaction before she dies implies that he isn't yet a lord. He never linked the flame. and we're basically murdering him. Prince Lothric never had a say in his life, except the single choice not to link the flame, Finally we waltz in there and kill him anyways. also just to make it clear lothric did not have what it took to be an heir of fire. instead, it was his 'curse' that enabled him to have such a powerful soul that he could be considered to be a lord of cinder. this curse fused the princes' souls together-as lothric cannot live(or die) without lorian and vice versa. it is their combined power that makes them a candidate to link the flame-and that's why we had to kill both them. their two souls,fused, was equivalent to a lord soul. the lords awakened are yhorm, abyss watchers, aldrich, and ludleth. that's FOUR. four lord souls PLUS the chosen undead-which would be five total souls. in dark souls 3 you need five lord souls. prince lothric was meant to be the 'champion' who collected the souls. that's why he's still alive-he never linked the flame because he never gathered the souls of aldrich, yhorm, and the watchers. the neglected flame starts to actually die, finally triggering the ashen one to awaken. we're the unkindled- the champion of all those whom attempted to link the flame but failed. dark souls 3 is our character's chance to redeem themselves-by linking the flame or seizing it because we were salty about dying for no reason or simply letting it die out to end the cycle-just as lothric wished. the important thing to note is that the unkindled(we) had to be the one to end the age of fire. lothric would never have found the eyes of the firekeeper. there have been people before who chose not to link it, dark souls 2 basically tells us that even if they don't someone will come eventually and link it-meaning another chosen undead or even an ashen champion. so in the end we could grant lothric's wish through the firekeeper who sees the end of flame(basically meaning she knows how it ends-and literally knows how to 'end' it). at the end the 'ashen one'- the soul-less champion of all those who failed to link the flame is tested by the 'soul of cinder'- manifestation of all the powerful souls that succeeded. in a way, we're just like prince lothric. failures. but unlike him the ashen one seized their own fate and our own 'end'. that's why there's 4 endings to choose from haha. so that's dark souls 3 in a nutshell, at least my take on it. the true lesson of dark souls is to not give up and number 3 really emphasizes this recurring theme. great game. sorry i typed so much, i'm stoned.

In this time of pandemic (and shear boredom) I've decided to order the complete edition of DS3 and i know nothing besides my friends screaming about "Lothric units walking around" and it made me mighty curios. I come here and find they got some nice lore so I'm gonna dedicate my first run to none other than a lothric knight build. Nice vid broski, keep up the stellar work

The "Shield of Want" is the shield of King Vendrick from DS II. It looks the same in DS II and the final place in DS II is the "Throne of Want". Also in DS II, especially in the "Scholar of the first sin" edition, the theme that only a true monarch (king) is able to link the flame, plays a central role. Vendrick was close to being a true monarch and he would have linked the flame (description of his soul). But since he was no true king, he was never able to do so.

ocelote could be invisible like percila was half dragons can be invisible if you look at him closely during the battle he consumes ocelotte

One thing about your synopsis on Ocelot, the audio file was also accompanied by a model of a baby that Oceiros was suppose to be cradling in his actual arms. The crying was suppose to be happening during the right and the squash was when you hit his halfway mark and he enrages due to the death of Ocelot. My interpretation of that is, just like Priscilla the half-breed, they both possibly had the ability to become invisible. Oceiros may be blind, but you would think he can feel the fact that his baby is or isn't in his arms. When he rages, its obvious because something happens to Ocelot due to the fact Oceiros calls out his name and clutches where the baby would be. If that was just brought on by insanity how would Oceiros determine in his head that his child was dead?

I think a more appropriate proof regarding the Shield of Want is the explicit evidence provided in merely 2 items combined with our definitive knowledge of previous games. Knowing that Dragonriders served King Vendrick at his time, the Dragonrider Bow explicitly confirms that they were warriors who "served the King of Want" . Add on top of that the apparent similarities in Vendrick's lore to what the shield describes, and I believe we're good to go.

Love it! I'm always overjoyed that there are people like yourself who can take the time to read every item descriptions and put together very intelligent lore synopses for people like me who just want to pound and slash things. Gives something to think about after I finish each of these games. Great job

Absolutely fantastic. Extremely well done. Love it!

Very well done. Definitely seems like you put in a ton of time and effort into this video. Loved it.

I’ve been binge watching your lore videos and noticed it’s been a while. Hoping you’re well and thanks so much for your work on these. I hope to see you making new lore videos in the future. I appreciate your storytelling with Ornstein and really hope to see other characters’ stories interpreted as well. Thanks again man

Shared like a story to keep me in to the very end. Love the video! Subscribed!

8:20 Did you notice that he actually blinks?

Here is an interesting fact about Angelic magic: When used, it leaves behind feathers, as suggested from looking into Gertrude´s cell. The magic the princes use to teleport around closely resembles that of Divine pillars of light, the miracle of the angels. This means that Lothric uses Angelic magic, something that is considered heresey. Another fun fact, the staff wielding Man-grubs also use Angelic magic. Although one can only speculate about why that is.

One of the best DS lore videos out there, great job man

Next time you fight Oceiros, when he goes enraged, he actually slams the hand he uses to cradle something into the ground in what seems to be rage by the scream he makes, and i have noticed that a liquid does splatter outward from his hand when he smashes his palm flat on the ground... i think DS3 was alot darker than we think, and i think the baby was just literally cut out of the fight visually so we can only assume things. Cause i've sat and listened to that strange wailing sound that you hear outside the boss room while waiting to be summoned... and i really don't think the King is the one making them... i think he really is holding something in his hand and Fromsoft just knew it would be a PC shitshow if we witnessed him smash a baby (even a malformed dragon thingy) into the ground during a battle, i mean him just being blind and crazy, that's too easy and lighthearted for Fromsoft. But this is just my opinion and observations on the mad Seeth wannabe.

I've had trouble figuring our Lothric's story. This video really helped!

Great vídeo man! Keep it up!

If Prince Lothric was influenced by Kaathe, that would mean the serpent statues around the city are of Dark Stalker Kaathe.

This is such a cool and mostly overlooked part of dark souls lore.

Many thanks for this great work. Liked and subscribed. I basically thought that Dark Souls saga story was solid and spread in environnent/items details, but after researching various lore explainations, I think we can now say that story details (not the main plot) is mainly based on unclear events / speculations/theories, instead of clarity. Therefore, I understand why From So kept story details kinda hidden in their games. Because it is not consistent.lol

I love lore videos about some of my favorite games and even more so with the dark soul's series.

This is so well done. Subscribed.

Great Job ..I was looking for a good and comprehensive Lore for Dark souls 3 and here it was ..Thank you so much I really thought that Oceiros is one of the main pillars of the lore of the game and if it were not for him, I would say the game has no lore at all . You have brilliantly linked it all and made it more interesting Thumbs up ..

Wonderful video. Artistic and articulate.

Dude, great video. very nice editing and research. My only advice is remembering to crossfade the sound between each cllip, so you dont have sudden changes in the whitenoise/volume from scene to scene.

I'm surprised nobody has noticed, or at least mentioned it, but when Oceiros transitions to his secod stage, you see him holding "Ocelotte" up in the air, before promptly smashing his hands on the ground. Not like just wildly flailing around, but more so like actually smashing something against the ground. In the game files, it shows texture files for Ocelotte, including one that actually states him as being dead, along with showing a very heavily injured baby when put on a baby model, and when looking at Oceiros's model, he's actually holding an invisible skeleton rig of a baby. My own theory about this is that, originally, Oceiros was meant to actually be holding a baby Ocelotte, and when he transitions to his second phase and completely succumbs to his madness, he kills the baby, which is where that sound file of the baby crying and then the squishing sounds would come in. This might have been cut from the game for very obvious reasons.

The baby squishing audio is one of the only things I've heard or seen online that unsettled me. I remember serious shivers going down my spine listening to it with my friend

I'm a bit late to the party but your videos are excellent. Subscribed!

15:52 "draaagon" all jokes aside i very much enjoyed this video. u get 1 sub

Something a lot of people don't bring up is the fact that gwynevere was not only a goddess of sunlight and bounty but also a fertility goddess. I think the fact that she was quietly removed from the public eye was due to her cursed offspring, which obviously could be taken as a sign that her divine power had waned. Maybe the consumed king married her specifically because he wanted her to birth a dragon. How interesting that a daughter of Gwyn would birth a dragon- when the defeat of the dragons helped seal the god like status of the Lords of Anor Londo. Maybe Ocelot's birth was an omen that Gwyn's age of fire was meant to end.

I would love to see you doing a complete analysis of Archdragon peak. Because nowhere I have found a video taking comprehensive look of what actually has happened there, or anything explaining the reason for place to exist or it's history. Why people are transformed into dragons in first place? Why exactly did firstborn ally himself with dragons? What is there to gain to create this sort of "survival of the fittest" game of becoming a dragon? The stage is too big for it to be just training ground and stable for firstborns steed. Also the presence of way of the dragons and wyverns in Lothric kingdom raises more questions. If this alliance was so detested by the Gwyn's clan so much that he lost his status and his name was removed from the history. Why are they then tolerated and accepted? What does this tell us of Gwyndolin's and Gwynevere's stance on him and dragons? Enemies of their father. Especially considering that Firstborn was exiled after Gwyn died. Why are all dragon kin there now dead? Why Havel is there and standing next to dead wyvern (if he even is havel himself)? Why firstborn looks like a hollow?

amazing job. well done

this is amazing!

There is a texture file in the game called "dead ocelotte" that is on the floor of ocerois's boss fight when he enters phase 2 the baby death audio file is played when he slams his hand where he's holding ocelotte

Dude your off the mark on so many points.

I noticed when I stand on the edge of the High Walls of Lothric, looks to the distance between The Undead Settlement and the Cathedral of the Deep I noticed a small city way of in the distance, what city is that?

This helped me through the last paragraphs of a 93-question-paper-turned-essay midterm paper. Thank you! lol

Loving that Game of Thrones soundtrack use here!

Great video

The knights remind me of the dragonriders from Dark souls 2.

This is the best video about the lore of ds3 i have seen so far in youtube, but as a non-native english speaker, i desperately hope you can add subtitles to the video to make it easier for non-native english speakers to fully understand your narration.

Has anyone noticed the striking similarity with the irithyll prisoners and ocieros? They have the beginnings of a tail and wings, and although still looking human the head has started to elongate. Too much of a rabbit hole for me to figure out the link but whatever process theyve undergone i'd wager ocieros had something to do with it

I don't believe Lorian is crippled. He has use of his legs but never stands on his feet, as if he is kneeling. I believe the angels visited Lothric/Lorian just like they did Gertrude, hence the feathers throughout the bossroom. Gertrude sacrificed her sight, and Lorian sacrificed his voice and chooses to kneel. Those on the outside, or those who think them heretics see their sacrifices as a curse.

Question? - so does if the blue lothric knights are wearing blue because it signifies their guarding the royal family directly i assume. so does that mean the blue cathedral knights "the ones in the kings garden" are wearing that blue to signifie them guarding the king ? which is royal so ? sorry if i writ the question weird

Onikiri translates to "demon slayer" or "Demon killer" not "Demon Mist". Onikiri is most likely taken from the word Hitokiri, meaning man-slayer (A distinction given to samurai that had felled over 100 enemies in battle for his lord)

Great video man! Could u make a video about more dark souls 1 and 2 lands? :)

I personally figure that sylivan was the private mentor to prince Lothric as he helped aldrich turn the church's from the gods to enabling the age of darkness and was described as a powerful user of magic.

Great video, but I have a couple of thoughts about the soul stream item description. It says when lothric and the grand archives were young. I believe it is referring to the KINGDOM of lothric, not prince lothric

Good video, maybe add some very soft music in the background while raising your voice levels.

great video man. love the depth of the lore I found it very informing and 99% correct

I adore your in-depth lore content. The extremely melodramatic voice is a bit too much for me though from time to time. Sometimes I'm in the mood and it fits and I'm immersed, other times I'm... well not "cringing" but it's just too much for me. Overacted may be the word I'm looking for.

I herd from another video that the blue lothric knights could be followers of the angelic faith because they ware the same colors as the winged knight and they also know blessed weapon miracle but I also BELEVE they are the royal guards of the prince idk what’s right or wrong

What set of armor are you wearing at 2:00 ?

Maybe you get to it in another video, but why are there so many feathers in the Twin Prince boss room? Did a major battle with winged knights occur there? Are they Gertrude's wings?

Thanks for keeping out the cut baby cries. I've heard them personally and they're extremely cursed and extremely unsavory.

im loving your works and efforts! :D wanted to ask something to everyone thou, those things that oceiros has on it's back, are the same we can find on the (pyromancers?) of the smouldering lake, the dead ones right? those jelly things..:O, also it is stated that lothric wasn't born the normal way, and last but not least if lothric and lorian are twins, shouldn't they be born almost at the same time?..

Perfect video.

So why the feathers in the Twin Princess room? Did the angelic force wanted to aid him and were betrayed, or did they want to force the prince into something.?

What’s with that one blue knight outside the dancers boss room?

I couldn't help but notice that the picture shown of the woman at 10:30 looks similar to Rosaria the mother of rebirth. I was thinking that Rosaria could be the Queen, due to that you could trade her soul for Bountiful Light. In relation, Leonhard does go to the same room where the princess ring is found. Maybe there is a connection or hints that her name includes rebirth or you can receive the obscuring ring from her.

great vid. possibly stupid question, why is lorian not a worthy heir? he is older, right? Could it be he not actually lothrics brother but cousin? So he not direct bloodline, if you compare to UK royal family, harry is older than george but george succeeds harry because he is son of eldest son of previous generation.

What is the long great sword carried at 3:30? Is that the longest sword in the game?

hey man your videos are great you really show your passion for the series. im an editor and I've noticed a few things (are you using an outdated editing software?) If not it's simple mute the game audio unless you need it that way your commentary is much more pronounced also it looks much more professional if you are able to use a mod to remove your health bar it would make things look amazing I personally don't condone mods to cheat but fighting enemies without rolling also looks really good for background I've got other observations if you are interested in discussing them shoot me a message I would love to show you a preview of what I can do maybe if your interested i can edit together a video for you, for free of course I'd love to support the channel

i love your vids

Here to study for my GM role for Dark Souls RPG. Thanks!

The pontiff could have been lothrics teacher being that kaathe is most likely in londor if he is even still kicking around really especially if you know what yuria says (in the Japanese translation) when you kill her before becoming a lord of hollow.

hmm as a side note and a wierd one of that is dks2 firekeeper has lotte in her name and she was also a "child of dragons" and so is ocelotte so maybe a connection somewhere in there

8:18 try focus on Gotthard eyes, he is blinking. Spooky right?

Fuck Vaati, you work your ass off and bring in long, interesting, and new content, sparking fresh ideas and new things. Subbed, I like you.

I would like to point out that you state it to be the duty of the eldest son to link the flame, however Lorian is the elder of the two, but it is Lothric who was destined to link the flame. So unless Lorian first rejected the duty, to be followed by Lothric to carry the mantle but also have rejected it would then take the two to as a sort of pseudo Lord of Cinder.

Loved it one note tho I believe the shield of want was vendricks. Purely because the whole game centered around the throne of want and nashanra even sais a king he was not

"Invaded by DAUGHTER of Crystal Kriemhild" Lmao, though it's a decent theory, how do you explain her armor set NOT being the Black Hand Set, or why the Lion Knight is with them? When she invades in Untended Graves, she is clearly named the daughter of Crystal Kriemhild. Kriemhild could have been the first scholar, a scholar, or simply the Crystal Sage's favorite pupil (Sage's Crystal Staff description), but it's clear that he/she isn't in the game.

On 29:40. I just think that it was Lotric that changed his mind as he didn't believe in the linking of the fire due to been thought by the sages of the Archives (or reading) and the first Scholar. And conviced his brother to do the same. I don't think he was torture, He was just cursed from birth and that's why he wears the Prayer set as stated. I believed since he was cursed he started to seek knowledge for a cure but found that linking the fire is not the answer. And In order to link the flame both brothers need to do it. As when you defeat them you only get one soul and also Lotric dialogue states "it is our course". I believe when they didn't want to to do it, then the Sages started to experiment with others and other things. Even the king try to have another child and ended up with a half breed. The twins stayed away. Also, Lorian was cripple for fighting with the Demon prince and probably while defending Lotric and his beliefs as the Demon Prince wants to continue the age of FIRE.

Not gonna read all 311 comments to see if someone else has said this but the shield of want is Vendric's shield. Generic however is very similar to Oceiros in his ambition though.

Subbed, because why the fuck not? Nice to see new names rise in lore or storytelling of Dark souls.

The knights of lothric dropping sunlight medals, the warriors of sunlight covenant being on lothric castle, as well as the dragonslayer armor, the fact that the knights rear dragons and even the dragonman beyond the consumed kings room leads me to think there is a strong connection between the establishment of lotrhic and the nameless king. It is only but a theory but, the nameless king, gwyns firstborn after leaving he might have gone and established a new kingdom that being lothric, before eventually withdrawing to where we meet him in game.

Before the game release I thought that it was going to be in the land of Astora, I always imagine astora being like Lothric.

--->correction: SHIELD OF WANT refers to the king of dranleic from dark souls 2. The comment of "a king that was no king after all" comes from nashandra, queen of dranleic and child of dark

A personal theory that I have, and I don't know if others share it, but I've not yet seen it developped in a video like this one, is that Gwynevere AND the firstborn may in fact be the founders of Lothric. I think it was the Ashen Hollow who made a very convincing case of the firstborn being the founder, or the godfather of Lothric kingdom. So I won't make the entire explanation again, and take this for granted. Then you have the ressemblance, and almost explicit link between the Queen and Gwynever, indicating that if they are not the same person, they are without a doubt related. i personally think Queen Lothric is a descendent of Gwynevere. Now finally and more importantly, as to the union, between the firstborn and Gwynevere, I'm persuaded, even though there no evidence to back it, that flame god Flann is actually the firstborn. Ever since DS1 I've always wondered who this Flann is. If he's married to Gwynevere, he must be rather important, yet there is no mention of him anywhere, absolutely zero except that one line in one item description pointing him as the husband to Gwynevere. Even his name is odd, "Flann", even back in DS1 days I thought it was weird. That doesn't really mean anything and should not be taken as a valid argument, but in my opinion, "Flann" doesn't really sound like a godly name, sounds me like a commoner. I'd think it's a surrogate name, a pseudonym used by the Firstborn when he married his sister after she had fled Anor Londo. I would love to see this theory fleshed out. But in all honesty, I don't really think there is enough material to give it proper credance.

Is that stannis's theme music in the background?

Anyone else notice the image of Lorian's Sword on the front of the Winged Knight armor?

Brilliant, though you could do with speeding up the narration a bit. Just some bits I've noticed in the lore that I have yet to see anyone else mention. I think Gwynevere disappearing is a very literal term. Crossbreed Priscilla can tern invisable and Ocelotte is invisable in Oceiros's hands. As for the manserpents in DS1, I would say they are descendants rather than experiments, this is not an uncommon thing in the world of Dark Souls.

Is this the GOT soundtrack?

lothric and lorian is such an pain to kill, even whit help i could not kill them....

Perhaps Yorshka is not daughter of Gwen but his granddaughter. Yes, Yorshka is Ocelot, sister of Prince Lothric.

I think Ocelotte is just invisible like priscilla was when we fought her, it just fits the whole encounter more. At some point FromSoftware had a texture for a mutant baby and included the baby killing, but they removed it when they thought:"This is just too disgusting, lets not do that". So when we kill Oceiros Ocelotte has left the room and is the only royal of Lothric still alive at the end of the game. It seems the most intresting theory.

15:20 Seath wasn't immortal. He lacked the scales of immortality, didn't he? He only became sort of immortal after his research.

Does anyone know why Lothric is not visible in dark souls 1 from Anor Londo, but in dark souls 3 it is?

I don't believe Krimhilde was one of the Black Hand. However, if you notice in the fight you get into on those stairs, you have representations of three out of the four Pillars of Lothric. Albert is a Knight, Krimhilde is a Scholar, and Kamui is a Hunter. I don't remember which video it was, but someone posited that the Unkindled One was the third Black Hand, given that each Unkindled we meet is linked to one of the Lords of Cinder. Siegward for Yhorm, Anri for Aldrich, and Hawkwood for the Abyss Watchers. Ludleth didn't need an Unkindled, because he came to Firelink of his own choosing. The only Lord of Cinder we don't meet another Unkindled for is the one who never became a Lord of Cinder: Lothric. But, if we were the third Black Hand, it would make sense that we would be connected to Lothric, sent to insure he did his duty.

15:20, is Seath a everlasting dragon? Seath is clearly not, coz he was looking for the scales of immortality right?

I was hoping for more speculation on the Angelic Faith and an explanation as to why Cathedral Knights were patrolling the Garden.

a baby cries during the fight with Osiris, if ocelot is partly dragon then perhaps he can turn invisible like Priscilla dark souls 1? maybe Osiris feels the baby in his hands but has no idea its invisible since he cant see anyways

No one I guess thought that maybe Aldia was the first scholar especially if you read the description of Soul Stream is says. (The first of the Scholars doubted the linking of the fire, and was alleged to be a private mentor to the Royal Prince) it is my theory that Aldia persuaded Lothric to not link the fire and told him about the primordial serpent Kaathe and that’s why there are statues showing him as a angel and all of you are probably gonna say he dies in dark souls 2 but if you don’t sit on the throne than he starts talking also Aldia basically made himself a deformed immortal but this is just me putting peace’s in a a puzzle that don’t fit it could be right and it could be total stupid thoughts I have either way it’s possible

VERY COOL.

The Shield of Want is Vendrick's shield in dark souls 2, they share a model

I don't think it was Kaathe that talked Prince Lothric into not linking the first flame. It seems counter intuitive to his goal with Londor, where he is trying to create a god of man. I think it is more likely Frampt, that has started to see the futility of linking the flame.

Just a nitpick, but the Lothric Knights guarding Prince Lothric/Lorian have blue cloaks, not purple, although purple being royal is true. I guess the blue jut means "elite" knighthood, as obviously they are more powerful with improved AI and glowing eyes (red eyes are probably just a game mechanic- in their human days, they likely were just better trained).

I see the more you know the more you will enjoy this game