Yeah, the white energy beam, instead of green and the talisman glowing when the watcher is around were hints the game was dropping that the watcher is really Envy. Another hint is when Fury defats Lust and Lust tries to strike a deal with her. As soon as Lust says the name Envy, the watcher pops out. Then Lust says "She is the most pathetic of us" and looks directly at the watcher. Another hint (though I could be imagining this one) is when Abraxis says "The meek always envy the strong. Isn't that right, Watcher?", I think he puts an emphasis on the word envy, while addressing the watcher at the same time.

I also thought while playing that all the sins were different races that rose to a higher or lower existence of sin. With Lust and Pride being angels; Sloth, Greed, Warth, and Gluttony being demons; and Envy being a Nephalem. Just a thought though.

Probably the best representation of the 7 deadly sins special praise to Lust’s voice actor for doing a fantastic job.( also I always assumed the fake Envy was just minion similar to a minion the other Sins had.)

Wrath: *Exists* Khorne: "You. I like you."

I think what Envy took from Fury was the power the Council granted Fury including her ability/link to travel to and from the Council's camber.

In the game, it was mentioned that a demon that Lust was in league with gave them the power to raise the dead. I don't remember Usiel's exact words, but he tells Fury this in his "office" before he hands her the crossblade. It's also worth noting that Lust and Abraxis are the only two people who were aware of Envy's true nature. Thus, it's not much of a stretch to assume that Abraxis is Lust's associate. Sidenote, I love Lust in this game. Their armor looked great, the voice was great. Great Great Great.

I would like to add sth, one of Devs confirmed that Pride was once an Angel, then she become a Sin. Great video btw

It makes sense for envy to have a talisman that harvests power from the other sins, as real life jealousy, can convey the other so called sins. A very nice and subtle design choice.

Lust was easily the most fascinating (and probably biblically accurate) of the 7. It didn't just represent sexual lust, but the lust for ANYTHING. Power, Glory, Respect etc... That was poignant to me. We too often portray Lust as purely sexual, when in fact the sexual form of lust is only one aspect. One can lust after power with the same burning, all-consuming desire with which one lusts after a member of the opposite sex.

Great video! The Sins were definitely well-designed and super fun to see in the game. I must say that as much as I like this Sloth, I also really like the one in FMA:B where he's the fastest sin. Because being able to do something but choosing not to because it's too much effort is true sloth.

Greed Also Kinda Looks Like Krampus A Little Bit

I just realize that the real envy is like shang tsung from mortal kombat: 1-Both of them use others Is unique moves 2-both of them are color green characters 3-both them are final boss to their respective games

If Fury broke the seal with the sins in it then that means they're technically free again. We are probably going to see them again in Darksiders 5 when all the horsemen are together, hopefully.

This could also mean they have been transforming within mankind too, eventually leading to wars, bad decisions, desires, and destruction. Question: How come the talisman grew extremely bright when she threw it at the Council? Could they have been.....

The design of Lust was quite possibly the greatest secondary videogame character design ever. Having a man voice "it" was also a masterstroke. When I first heard Lust I swore it was female until I saw the credits. Also very good job on describing the talisman, I think you guys got it spot on. My first playthrough I always suspected Envy was hiding as the watcher due to what Lust (after fight) and what Abraxis (before choice) tell Fury. And because I tend to avoid any internet involving darksiders when I'm playing it to avoid spoilers I was jazzed to see I guessed right.

Both Mr. Dunn and myself agree with you two. These are by far my favorite Sin Representations and so far my favorite villains in Darksiders closely followed by Samael.

One explanation I heard of fake Envy was that prior to being Fury's watcher, Envy gave her amulet to a demon, giving her power and corrupting her to think she was Envy

Since 2 and 3 take place before War starts his adventure to clear his name in 1 The Seven Deadly Sins could possibly be lurking around the world again while War is on his adventure if their souls weren't permanently destroyed in the massive explosion at the end of the game

I love all of the designs of the sinsand i think the secret of the fake envy is hidden in her design. It looks like a dark crystal character or a PUPPET. Envy made her to loom like her old form for fury to capture her early on so she wouldnt be suspected

good job covering the SDS! first time watching TM&M videos, but i'm enjoying them

I was just watching the Seven Deadly Sins video and I also read the comment from AdeptKing about the seal and freeing the sins I was just thinking, what if the seal is a key with a powerful spell inside to open a door to a shadow realm just like the Door in the Tree of life.

Great video guys! That was a nice catch with talisman b/c there were some moments in the game where I noticed it glowing more like I was near a sin but I actually wasn't. Or so I thought haha. Also something I wanted to point out back during the video where the real Envy reveals herself, her appearance looks like it might have been based on an old concept of Death. If you guys have the Darksiders 2 artbook take a look. There is a concept drawing of Death with 6 arms, a hood, two guns, and a sword. I thought that was a nice callback in a way and use of concept art.

12:23: I disagree about that. The order is mostly decided from the start (especially because Fury´s hollow form are lock to specific Sins) and THIS IS HYPPTHESIS, so I could be wrong. There are 7 sins (and you fight Wrath twice) + 1 fake and the first 2 and the last 2 are set in stone: 1. Fake Envy, 2. Wrath, 8. Pride and 9. Real Envy. 4 Sins left. After getting the Flame Hollow, you will bump in to Avarice (who you need to defeat to get the Storm Hollow). Order: 1. Fake Envy, 2. Wrath, 3. Avarice, 8. Pride and 9. Real Envy. 3 Sins left. I think, you can temporary skip Sloth by using Vulgrim and the Serpent Holes (but this is not tested), but you still need to defeat him before Pride. And the rest of the Sins is also decided for you. Defeat Lust to get the Force Hollow, which you need to defeat Gluttony, who in return give you the final Hollow (Stasis Hollow) which is necessary to get to Wrath v2.0. So in the end it´s only with Sloth you´re giving a little leeway, but the rest of the 7 Deadly Sins are predetermined.

If you watch the cut scenes the fake Envy looks at the watcher when the talisman starts to glow and tells her MINE ... also when Lust it talking to Fury before he dies he threatens to expose the Watcher just look at the Watchers movements ...i like the subtle hints that are dropped

Keep up your videos dudes

Great video

Great video man all bosses game horsemen all together DS5

I really wish they didn't kill of Mammon in genesis and used them for the seven princes of hell. A mythological concept of each sin being represented by a lord of hell. Satan or Azazel: wrath Asmodeus: Lust Beelzebub: gluttony Leviathan: Envy Lucifer: pride Mammon: of course, greed. I hope we see some of them in the next games.

I honestly think the sins can comeback since they indeed has been destroyed with talisman but they are immortals and since Talisman is gone they are freed therefore a chance to comeback.

I freakin LOVE the designs they gave the sins. They especially an amazing job with Lust. They made Lust genderless, instead of going the generic wrought everyone else does. Mega points on creativity.

Did you just omit the fact that Gluttony pissed off Fury by eating her horse!?

If you want dev quotes you can always check out the official Darksiders discord :) we even have a lore channel there. discord.gg/4Ycm8j

i still don't understand how the council could not be aware that the Watcher was the real Envy. Like, the council "gave" us the Watcher, they are supposed to be the highest form of authorities and power.

OK so it was the charred council that gave Lust the power to rise the dead and they sent angels to kill rampage, they would have known where Fury and Rampage were in order to send the angels there. Lust was their prisoner for years and giving her the power to create un-dead was a ploy. Making her a bigger(noticeable) target for Angels and demons while thinning out the Council's enemies on Earth.

Could you please do a video on sparda and later mundas it you guys can't find enough lore on them for separate videos maybe have them in the same video ?

Great story and character design: Lust - Androgynous enough to make some think it's a gay woman or a man Sloth - Uses the "Grasshopper and the Ants" concept for character design. Brilliant Avarice - Looks, sounds and acts like the "Joker?" Wrath - Used Marvel's "The Juggernaut" as template design. Great character concept Envy - Not sure about this character. Gluttony - Creature from the black lagoon? Pride - Pretty woman with a disfigured face, really shows how ugly pride can be...

I have a question for you. When Darksiders 4 came out, you are gona make a video but what about Darksiders Genesis?

This slime as you put it with gluttony it’s obviously his stomach acid,if you were eat constanly you would have to need potent stomach acids

Can you make a video of the Undead or the Constructs from Darksiders.

11:09: "Khan Maykr, is that you?!!"

One thing I don't understand though is why was the real Envy allowed to fake being a watcher, i mean, i know the council wanted fury dead, but how did envy being a watcher happen, did the council and her plan it ? It must have just been Envy's plan since she used it to gain power and try to destroy the council. But how was the council not like "who the f'ck is this watcher?" when fury first receives the watcher.

the reason they keep coming back is because even though their bodies are destroywd their souls still survive which is why the talisman of sin is required to seal them up

please do a lore video on cloud strife from final fantasy 7

15:33 I thought envy took some of her power not all of it like you said it took parts of the sins powers to become stronger since she is envious which makes sense to her character. Also the fake envy is just another demon right?

We need more Darksiders... lore... gameplay... EVERYTHING! The game is so good its actualy sad how unpopular it is... I think its like some people fade away from borderlands at first due to how crazy it was and the unusual aesthetics... but Borderlands nowadays is a very popular game, so maybe Darksiders 4 can be the jewel we need to rocket the franchise into Heaven! Imagine, the can call it: Darksiders, Horsemen of the Apocalypse To not scare new players with numbers ofc hqhahaha The game takes place after Wars game where the seventh seal is destroyed and the four horsemen now aware of the charred council betrayal are reunited. You can play as any of the horsemen and thei can either just show them during cutscenes or make each character have a different rout but still keeping the same path like how Resident Evil 4 did with Leaons and Adas campaign. It will have the RPG gameplay aspects of DS2 since it adds depth to this already beautiful Franchise while also expading on everything as a whole. I wish i was filthy rich just to be able to fund projects like Darksiders... Its a shame people still buying FIFA and COD even tho its always the same shit...

Great lore guys. Do a DS3 lore on the one demon you either can save or kill. Sorry can't think of the name.

Do you guys know anything about the Wailing host seen in Darksiders 2?

Can you guys do a Halo lore video for fred-104

Maby video about Abraxsis?

Based on DS: Genius trailer and video description, do you think Lucifer and The dark one/ Satan are the same or different entitys. Note: in the devin commity Luicifer is described as having 3 faces/heads.

Hey, dunno if you've already answered this or not, but how is it that the charred council sent envy with fury considering how much they were hated by envy? Why would envy not have fought against the ruse?

I personally see pride's scared face as representing the ugly side of that vice.

This is just a theory of mine, but maybe that fake envy was a follower of envy, like sloth and his minions in a way. Envy offered her a chance for power, and thus fake envy is envious of everyone so she of course took the offer

I think the souls of the sins were destroyed when Fury used the talisman as a grenade because all of the green dissipated

I do love this Lust many people forget lust relates more then to just pure sex it saddens me

So imagine the 7 seals combined with the tailsmen of sin for the horsemen war gets wrath , strife gets greed , fury gets gluttony , pride , envy while finally death gets lust , sloth each sins gives the horsemen their powers for a boost up an last but not least Loki from GoW 7 gets fake envy think about guys horsemen gods of ragnorok combo games for ps5

Where is Escanor ?

I want the 7 heavenly virtues to show up in the darksiders universe.

Expect Escanor

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Gotta say I disagree with the lust interpretation. It was terrible, Every other sin was their embodiment of each except lust. Lust was completely opposite of any sexual desire. That is lust sexual desire. What they portrayed was closer to selfishness if anything. Coercing people with what they want. Which is more machiavellian-esk

Did the chared council know that the watcher was Envy? Also why did Envy have all of the horsemens weapons except for fury's whip?

Explaining lust in such a manner was annoying let alone confusing

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The representation of the sins i agree was refreshing shame the game paled in comparison to 1 and 2. But i also believe that their is more to the council then what were meant to believe