I remember the midtown plaza. Christmas time was the best. Loved it.
@ninobrown5363 Жыл бұрын
Yesss.....the Monorail in Midtown Plaza was everything to us as kids!!! Christmas was so wonderful as a kid riding on the Monorail and sitting on Santa's Lap afterwards I still remember it
@michaela16554 жыл бұрын
I lived there from 1981 to 2001. Watching this movie, it is clear that it was filmed near the peak of its prosperity. The demise of many of those industries was the end of prosperity in this region. It would take a miracle to see it return to prosperity.
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
Or vision and a willingness to try something new
@markfarrington51833 жыл бұрын
Almost the same, here. I lived there from 1989 to 2003. It was quite a place until the unraveling of Kodak began, circa 1990, and with it that terrible ripple effect. The 1992-93 period was especially bad. Anyhow, even before I understood the deep economics of what happened in the 90s, I always had the gut impression that I was about 15 years too late. This only confirms it !
@barbarahollands6013 жыл бұрын
I can't believe all the negative comments. Rochester and the surrounding areas were a wonderful place to live. You could come out of high school and get a job at Kodak or Xerox or Bausch & Lomb or GM without a college degree and make good money. There was a lot of prosperity, housing was fairly cheap, education was good and there was great healthcare available. It was a wonderful place to live. We would ride the bus from the suburbs down to Midtown to see the clock and go shopping there and Edwards and McCurdy's and Sibley's. And the roads there were tons better than any of the roads I experienced in other cities as an adult. Sadly this is all just memory. The jobs are gone,the quality of life deteriorating. The countryside surrounding is truly uniquely beautiful. Cuomo is driving my family out. So we will be saying goodbye to our beautiful land in Genesee County, the beautiful Valley.
@cordcd73 жыл бұрын
Negative comments go hand in hand here in youtube land, sad fact of today's society. The entirety of upstate NY along the Erie Canal was once bustling with industry, especially in the major cities like Rochester and Syracuse; which are now mere shells of their former selves. The loss of those industries, the ones you mention in Rochester and others such as Crucible Steel in Syracuse, were the downfall of the greater CNY area. Sad to see what these cities once were. Much like Detroit compared to when the auto industry was booming and Motor City was practically the capital of the states. Maybe one day we'll see the great Empire state rise up, but not until politicians like Cuomo or DeBlasio are gone.
@juliagrant32993 жыл бұрын
I left for Savannah, GA 18 months ago and don't regret it. Rochester used to be such an amazing place. So sad.
@barthimes69423 жыл бұрын
Used to be, not so nice now. Terrible weather.
@rrw58343 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was the place and despite the violence which is in all the maj cities it’s still not a bad place to raise a family but you will need at least an associate degree back then all ya needed was high school diploma. If you could get into GM or one of the other Co. you could do extremely well.
@RetroHeir3 жыл бұрын
More facts spewed than negative. The fact of the matter is, this city WAS all the hype. NOW it SUCKS, there's absolutely no value or attraction here to appeal the world like in the past. 🤷🏾♂️ I wish we could get back to a place where this city is well respected and thriving once again.
@jayweee42832 жыл бұрын
I’ve lived in Rochester all my life and I’ve heard so many stories about how great it used to be it’s nice to see this. Rochester is still nice in some areas but unfortunately it’s gone downhill
@mimilini1 Жыл бұрын
It really is sad. My family moved here at the tail end of its heyday. It really was quite wonderful. It makes it all the more difficult to see what it’s become.
@Maddd173 жыл бұрын
burst out laughing at 15:24 "Rochester Gas and Electricity is renowned for the quality of its services" EDIT: IT'S SPONSORED BY RG&E THIS IS TOO GOOD
@felixf52113 жыл бұрын
I worked in Midtown in the mid-80s. Miss it to this day.
@edjacobs88763 жыл бұрын
A friend owned Trading Post jewelry upstairs. Any memory of his place?
@nancyroselli2423 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this history lesson on Rochester. I have lived here for 78 years and discovered that I didn't know enough about her history. Thank you truly. Nancy Carey Roselli.
@lilgremlin62223 жыл бұрын
As someone who was born in Rochester and lived there for 21 years. It's no longer anything like this.
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
Nobody's home town was what it was when they were growing up focus on a solution stop living in the past
@sunshinepurple10433 жыл бұрын
I go back every so often to visit family. I about cried the last time I went.
@cdog-qw1ye3 жыл бұрын
You speak the truth. Sadly, some cannot handle it. They prefer to listen to Chuck Mangione cassettes and live in denial.
@michaellorah90512 жыл бұрын
@@katherenewedic8076 easier said than done. We're talking 4 generations or more of urban decline, gang violence, and industrial collapse. Rochester is but a shell of it's former self and another comment said it best, it would take a miracle.
@person3903 жыл бұрын
I used to skip school and go to midtown plaza with my pals back in the 70s . Cought many salon on the genesee river at the falls in late October with my brothers. Where has the time gone ? Thank you for showing this but so much has changed . I do love New Youk . Christmas shopping some at the plaza with my aunts. It was majic and the Christmas music playing while we looked for the perfect gifts .
@samtornatore16273 жыл бұрын
I was born in Rochester in 1960. Seen a comment no black people were present. Blame the movie makers. I played for an eastman kodak baseball team in the 70's. As an Italian American, I was the closest to a white person on the team. Went to high school at John Marshall with many blacks. Worked at a family business in the 80's and 90's, down rhe road from Rochester products. At least a third of our customers were black. A shoutout to Earl Forehand, my favorite customer of alltime. He was black.
@samtornatore16273 жыл бұрын
@LasVegas Ginger Went to Rockys just for the tripe. best in the city.
@mikekoban85843 жыл бұрын
If you want to Rockys for lunch then you had a swing by al’s stand for some lemon ice
@samtornatore16273 жыл бұрын
@@mikekoban8584 Absolutely. The alley behind emerson st. and Jefferson high school was a hangout of ours.
@hannabaal1502 жыл бұрын
This production is white washed. It's just a huge lie of omission on the part of the movie makers. Systemic what?
@geraldbarone5291 Жыл бұрын
Interesting 😢
@joannschlicker69953 жыл бұрын
I took my kids downtown at Christmas time. Looked at the Sibley' s window decor. Went to Midtown for the monorail and Santa's Mountain.
@lindamarquis61175 жыл бұрын
I remember living in Rochester and going to Midtown Plaza to see the clock they show. I loved it. Sadly much that was in this video has changed. However, that is what this video is about, change. Still it was nice to see the way things were when I was a young teen ! Especially the clock ! !
@kataratify3 жыл бұрын
I know you posted this over a year ago, but the clock has been restored and now resides at the airport :D
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
The only thing we can count on is change and believe it or not we do get to have a say in that
@gloriashields32943 жыл бұрын
Oh my !! Rochester NY my birth place. I loved and hated it. Midtown before it was built was Mc Curdys, Manger Hotel and Waldorfs Cafeteria. I could go on and on but I'd be telling my age.😊
@user-he2fq4lt5pАй бұрын
Went to East Jr Sr High School. 7th-12th grades. 1972-77. Left for the Army and W.Germany straight out of Highschool in 77. No matter where I lived on Earth, always came back to Rochester. Now, my grandchildren have children and I retired to Naples Florida. But my father still lives there. Hard to believe, but true.
@TheNiz732 жыл бұрын
If Kodak would’ve just changed with the times Rochester wouldn’t be as ghostly as it is now.
@juliafrederick66853 жыл бұрын
Its kind of sad watching this. Like a view of what could have been. What happened to us? Why does it feel like everything is crumbling apart and no one is doing anything about it? Society is falling apart as a whole and the city of Rochester feels like a broken shell of its former self. I find it incredibly disheartening,
@lilgremlin62223 жыл бұрын
I felt thag
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
Greed materialism profits over people
@patrickhenry7353 жыл бұрын
it will only get worse
@Crispy_Bacons3 жыл бұрын
Liberalism is what happened.
@DrFumesta2 жыл бұрын
Fiat Currency. Getting robbed by international bankers.. Communists..
@seangarvey4162 жыл бұрын
This great city of Rochester is beautiful and historical to say the least. Honestly the decisions of the management of the Kodak company and there DVD patents that were sold thinking that DVD and CD technology was not the future at the time, is probably the snowball that began the changes we experience today.
@michaellorah90512 жыл бұрын
I took classes at MCC in downtown Rochester 5 years ago when the downtown campus was located in the old Sibley building. That place felt out of time, secluded from the outside world and trapped in the 60s.
@rrw58343 жыл бұрын
I miss them days in my hometown
@skygerspacher68912 жыл бұрын
Something else that is overlooked is the incredible role Rochester played in the Underground railroad. An amazing amount of brave, dedicated hero's, men and women, of all colors, work secretly for 70 years, to help freedom seekers make that last leg of their journey into Canada. Because it was undocumented, to protect those who were a part of the abolitionist movement, so many of these people got no credit for the chances they took and the suffering they, themselves incurred against body and property because of their participation. Very few accurate documents exist. But there are two really good books that include a lot of this history and Rochester is a huge part of that, 'The Underground Railroad, from Slavery to Freedom' Siebert. and William Still's book, 'The Underground Railroad'. It is an incredibly rich and vibrant story of real life hero's and hair raising true stories and puts things into a perspective and context that allows people to relate to what was going on in a real and empathetic way. I guess what has always confused me, was how we got to the place we are now, in those towns and communities and cities? Places where the abolitionist movement was embraced so completely and then became, later, a divided place. When I grew up in LeRoy and went to Wolcott Street School, in the 1960's. There were like two black kids in the school. That part never made sense to me. And the Cornhill incident that took place in Rochester in, what, 1964? Really? How does a city fall so far from such a rich and glorious history to that? At any rate. It may not be so glorious right now, but it's history was one of the richest in America.
@matts13515 жыл бұрын
1963 to present was a period of significant decline of this city. Rochester is a notorious case study for the horrendous decisions that were made by city planners of this era
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
And the businesses that influence them
@richarddenny53407 ай бұрын
cities crumble because productive people move away. why ? the answer is obvious
@lindamarquis61173 жыл бұрын
Funny, I grew up in Rochester ,NY around the time of this video ! I can vividly remember going to see this clock. Now it still plays but I found that a new high rise building had engulfed the plaza it was in. But it still is available for sightseers to enjoy.
@OGE5853 жыл бұрын
Hi Linda
@sunshinepurple10433 жыл бұрын
I think its at the airport now.
@skygerspacher68913 жыл бұрын
It was a good area when I was near there in the 1960's. Once my mother forgot me in the fabric section of Sibleys department store. She drove all the way home to Morganville, near Stafford. My dad asked where I was and she had to come all the way back. I just sat quietly for over two hours waiting. My dad went to Colgate Rochester Divinity school and it was an amazing place then. Beautiful buildings and all the lilacs. So many wonderful things to do and see. I live in Seattle now but I have good memories of this area.
@hannabaal1502 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Seattle and live in Rochester now. Say hi to everyone!
@buddaquatics2 Жыл бұрын
Watching in 2023. Crazy how different it is
@lavenderlove1212 Жыл бұрын
🤔 ISN'T THE NARRATOR..ROD SERLING???!!!!😊😉..I AM CERTAIN HE WROTE THIS AS WELL..SEEN HIM AROUND BACK THEN! 🤣 LOVE THIS!♥️
@Ex-WolfandFox Жыл бұрын
The mall that they intro in the beginning is downtown, I dont live in rochester but the sister city and I visited this building about a year ago. They turned it into a food court/bar, the food there is pretty good but its unfortunate because you are no longer allowed to go upstairs. It interesting to see whats become of this history, then to witness it as it was a long time ago.
@ninobrown5363 Жыл бұрын
They tore Midtwon Mall down about 10 years ago😢 That Mall was the first Urban Downtown Mall ever built in America!! It was a jem that should have been historically preserved!!@ Everyone loved that Mall. The Monorail durring Christmas. Sibley and JC Penny. All Day Sunday and even the first Wegmans in Rochester! Sad that they demolished Midtown Mall
@cdog-qw1ye3 жыл бұрын
....then the executive board said "digital will never take over film".
@sunshinepurple10433 жыл бұрын
They used to give tours to grade school kids. When I went we were allowed to drive through the grounds but that's all. On the plus side I got to see Ansel Adams' originals at the Eastman House in the 00s.
@quarterkeydre4392 Жыл бұрын
Now look lol
@BeanieScooter Жыл бұрын
Certain areas still have wonderful places - Strong Museum of Play, Seneca Park Zoo, Lilac Festival, Blue Cross Arena to mention a few. My daughter was raised there. Brought my 2 teen grandchildren last summer to visit the area from S Florida, and see relatives in the area, finally. Hard to believe Strong Hospital is now their largest employer. Hope the city, and area, recover.
@DJDoubleCee4 жыл бұрын
Rochester, a city of quality, too bad that’s not true anymore.
@bigwillh41183 жыл бұрын
I think Rochester looks way better then Syracuse, Binghamton, Elmira, Cortland, Utica, Buffalo, Endicott, Albany I mean all these cities in New York state in general. might not be what it used to be but Rochester out of all the cities is the nicest. The downtown does look nice and there upgrading compared to all these other cities upstate and in the CNY area. And surrounding areas are good. There's a lot of work to be done no question but Rochester is not A bad City......I like Rochester.
@joelp50933 жыл бұрын
Rochester probably has the nicest suburbs of any of those places. The city has nice pockets but overall it's pretty terrible - the worst parts of Rochester are worse than the worst parts of the other cities you mentioned, even Buffalo.
@bigwillh41183 жыл бұрын
@@joelp5093 I don't agree. If your running around with the drama and bullshit, then that's what you get. But if your focus on the positive, them it's a whole different story. Life is what you make it.
@da-pacpro-trump88723 жыл бұрын
@@joelp5093 I concur ! Democrats destroyed Rochester ! Period ! Smh
@NYPATRIOTBX3 жыл бұрын
Elmira is a shithole, I lived there for 6 months, most people I have met have very little if no motivation to improve their lives or get involved with their community. It’s easier to collect government handouts I guess.
@karenjoslyn40512 жыл бұрын
@@da-pacpro-trump8872 TRUTH
@cjrman199910 ай бұрын
I lived in old Rochester for over 60 years...... It was wonderful until the people and values changed.... Now I live in Florida.
@killercan10 Жыл бұрын
10:05 Pretty cool to me seeing this shot. You can see where they were doing construction to build the main runway 4/22 for jet usage. Interestingly enough, the first jet flight in to Rochester was via American Airlines and they had to land on 10/28 (the long runway that goes left to right in this shot, with the very visible runway markings on the left end of it, the runway 28 side) instead as 4/22 wasn't yet completed.
@orangesox9153 жыл бұрын
Rochester is a beautiful place. It's the bad politics and bad ideas which have run it into the ground. Maybe if things were run (or left alone) like they were in Nathaniel's day there would be prosperity again.
@edjacobs88763 жыл бұрын
As far as upstate/western NY, Rochester has it all over its neighbors. If the weather wasn't horrific, it'd be a nice place to live.
@patrickhenry7353 жыл бұрын
Buffalo is it all over Rochester now
@jaddy5406 жыл бұрын
Rochester,City of Dreams,most of them wet. Charlotte development will be next.
@christopherdunbar3943 жыл бұрын
trip back into time
@ballaz73073 жыл бұрын
so many mob members lived there back then
@kolabond45013 жыл бұрын
ROCHESTER NEED TO HAVE MORE MANUFACTURING COMPANY AND MOST OF THE CITY IN THE US. IS BROKE NOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ASAP I HAVE A MASTER PLANS
@emoryjenkins64813 жыл бұрын
Sure thing bud
@RetroHeir3 жыл бұрын
What's that plan?
@Axmat052 жыл бұрын
Manufacturing sent to China
@ramonortiz74623 жыл бұрын
The ROCK ROCKING ROCHESTER.. USE TO BE BUT NOT ANY MORE!! POOR POOR ROCHESTER NY!! MY HOMETOWN!! NOW A DAM JUNGLE!!
@ramonortiz74623 жыл бұрын
@@Naomihere What?? I'm a minority who stayed in school and I was never discriminated against!! Stop making excuses with victim syndrome!! If you dont do for yourself no one else will and you WILL FAIL!! IF BLACKS AND OTHER MINORITIES ALL STAYED IN SCHOOL AND HIT THE WORKPLACE IN FORCE MORE WOULD GET JOBS!! AND THESE PEOPLE COULD OPERATE THEIR OWN BUSINESSES!! DO YOU THINK KODAK AND ALL THE OTHER WHITE BUSINESSES FELL OUT IF THE SKY GIFT WRAPPED FOR THEM?? IF YOU DO YOUR AN IDIOT. KEEP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF. WE DON'T NEED YOU. BUT WE DO HAVE A JAIL CELL RESERVED FOR YOU SO KEEP IT UP!!
@1L6E6VHF3 жыл бұрын
7:00 The rare van version of Chevrolet's Corvair!
@intfstft2 жыл бұрын
Now a ghetto. As a kid took bus from breman st to midtown back in the day.
@rochestertommy99955 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻
@intfstft2 жыл бұрын
Breman st ghetto. Hollenbeck st ghetto. When I lived there mostly Europeans kept the neighborhoods clean. Now go there and look for yourself.
@stevenkiernan72182 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe it went from this, to it’s current state today. I believe we’re the in the top 5 most unsafe cities in the country now
@rubychelleperez41882 жыл бұрын
Via issiee , Rochester will never be the same..
@dotmatrix73835 жыл бұрын
Funny how they talk about smooth flowing road ways. Flash forward to 2019, and and now they're a nightmare.
@rumplemcfrankenberg4 жыл бұрын
what? go to a different city and check out some real traffic
@chrisrodriguez4393 жыл бұрын
u never been to nyc lol
@nickt14173 жыл бұрын
@@rumplemcfrankenberg yeah seriously, Rochester had remarkable easy traffic and almost no appreciable rush hour.
@sunshinepurple10433 жыл бұрын
Ever drive in the "Can of Worms"? Now THAT was a mess
@JohnSmith-tp2mg Жыл бұрын
Damn so honestly Rochester's big problem was they didn't do enough to attract business. Obviously they got unlucky with all their major businesses being in declining industries, but after that they should've done more to attract new growing businesses.
@johnnymalone68853 жыл бұрын
Im from Central New York Utica Area. As i can see in the comments there are many good and bad things to say. But the bottom line is if there wasnt power drunken ignorant corrupt idiots runnin the state...Just maybe Upstate and the Valley area would be the gem it once was. Its so sad to see many New Yorkers tryin to move away because the state is beautiful. Yeah the winters can be bad sometimes and is costly to live but youll get that in many other places too. Every state has its own flaws not every state is perfect. But atleast its nice to look back on some positives
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
and corporations have absolutely no influence and decision making on how they run their businesses and decide to take everything overseas
@sekhetbast-ra84574 ай бұрын
Do you know where or how this was meant to be shown when it was made?
@IYSM Жыл бұрын
If only my grandparents knew how short lived it would be.. then again I wouldn't be born right now otherwise lol
@ji50554 жыл бұрын
Meet this was better than Caesars Palace
@WORKERBEEFORCNY3 жыл бұрын
And by 1977 the Columbians owned Rochester and the Fed stepped in and Kodak shut down to avoid corruption charges
@lifeistooshort842811 ай бұрын
15:25 water water *flashes back to 1985 water contamination...
@roscoefoofoo Жыл бұрын
Aaaaand...how wrong we were.....
@snaggyjoe30793 жыл бұрын
Still racism was alive in Rochester ...u don’t see no black people, families, or workers in this video. The next year ‘64 came the Rochester Riots cuz of the the racism and shit. Sad
@snaggyjoe30793 жыл бұрын
@Jay Hayhay fax
@sunshinepurple10433 жыл бұрын
A sad part of Rochester's history, true. Thank you for bringing it to light.
@DrFumesta2 жыл бұрын
"Racism" will never go away. It's just a fancy, evil way of saying "in group preference". Everyone has it. It's literally engrained into human beings to prefer people who look like them. No one calls Japan racist for not having black people. They have Japanese people.. and they want to keep it that way.. and thats actually ok. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment.
@InvincibleAkuma Жыл бұрын
shit..that was 60 years ago...
@jackatkinson36822 жыл бұрын
Wehy didn't we heed the warning at the 8:20 mark? We didn't listen! We didn't listen!!! Sprawl has ruined us, ruined I say!
@williamessig2610 Жыл бұрын
I was born in Rochester 1949. Dad worked for EASTMAN Kodak Co. It was privately owned by George Eastman. Every year I can remember Kodak gave out an impressive Bonus regardless of the Economy.. My Dad worked for them 1950 to retirement in 1975. I'm long gone now...I know that EASTMAN Kodak Co. Went Public; the year I don't recall but it was The beginning of the End...
@victoriakleber13973 жыл бұрын
So nice that there was a time when people didn’t look like broken down bums
@joannschlicker69953 жыл бұрын
This video is more like fantasy.
@nynii74003 жыл бұрын
Lol Rochester is nothing like this now .. it’s just literally killings everyday 💔
@quarterkeydre4392 Жыл бұрын
Frfr
@uncleben45603 жыл бұрын
Wrong title!!
@Joshcorsetti2 жыл бұрын
NOWADAYS YOU CAN GET ROBBED AT A RED LIGHT PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE IN OUR CITY, & MOST PARTS OF THE INNER CITY ARE STRAIGHT UP NO-GO ZONES... Really Sucks. The scum of the earth has slowly crept into Rochester's Streets and is multiplying rapidly by the minute, it would take a miracle to clean this place up.
@Vanderlay77 Жыл бұрын
Or a bomb
@doseofreality420marianetti23 жыл бұрын
Wu Roc 585 Shot out to FUA-KREW SAI, Zagnif Nori, 38 & Eto
@doseofreality420marianetti23 жыл бұрын
@Jay Hayhay You got the wrong one. Rochester sucks because it's a demon-rat controlled shit hole run by a bunch of money hungry, greedy, dirty politicians. I got nothing to do with those liberal woke activists and progressive radicalists who are trying to sell our youths future to the CCP party. When I grew up in the Town, my kind of people had two fulltime jobs since high school and we were involved in working with locally owned businesses, churches, artists and musicians to make Rochester the Kodachrome City of entrepreneuring artists that made it famous.
@seekingwisdomearthbound Жыл бұрын
Black people were Economically starved out and it still continues today
@lokilla17595 жыл бұрын
Rochester N.Y. the city of Pot 🕳
@hannabaal1502 жыл бұрын
10:45 "What's being loaded or unloaded to is clean cargo..." Well, move the camera upstream a mile and you'd see a great big coal dock that shipped coal that came by train from Pennsylvania to Canada. It's where Turning Point Park is now. I suppose it got left out of the video because coal is black. Speaking of black, that's not all that was left out of this lily white production. Systemic what?
@rapman5791 Жыл бұрын
They said the “I” word , multiple times ban this video!! I’m sure someone is offended
@coldsun54953 жыл бұрын
Why can't I see
@quarterkeydre4392 Жыл бұрын
I ain’t seen a black person the whole video 😂😂🤷🏿♂️
@greensandbeansgaming1358 Жыл бұрын
Come here if you like the idea of being enslaved by tax!
@hollahabibi1897 Жыл бұрын
the whole downtown needs to get bull dozed and start over . EVERYTHING ,even some surrounding areas. A new start a new game plan. The history is over and done with no one cares no more just move on
@da-pacpro-trump88723 жыл бұрын
Damn you, Democrats destroyed Rochester they touched ! 🤬😡😑🤦🏽♀️
@katherenewedic80763 жыл бұрын
Whaaa
@Crispy_Bacons3 жыл бұрын
@@katherenewedic8076 do you like it better now? lmao 😂
@gman60223 жыл бұрын
Haha....and now Rochester is a dump! Thanks Democrats.
@rsornbe3 жыл бұрын
as with every other US city that is not republican run....shameful. Yet nothing will improve.
@juliagrant32993 жыл бұрын
Lovely has done such a "lovely" job with the city...NOT!
@andrewwesley19463 жыл бұрын
Blame yourselves. Republican white flight to the suburbs destroyed Rochester city proper, as well as industrial shift. Take your racist finger pointing elsewhere.
@csec87403 жыл бұрын
@@andrewwesley1946 Holding people accountable, how is it racist? Last, I checked Democrats are not a race.
@andrewwesley19463 жыл бұрын
@@csec8740 you can keep playing semantical games if you like, or you can be more honest about the underlying causes for the racial and economic separation that's occurred over the last 50 years in Rochester