It always kind of annoyed me that Anakin and Vader sounded absolutely nothing alike. I feel like this scene was really needed.

Nice call forward to star wars rebels

@@AA-fn9xz Hayden always got Vader's cadence right though, it was just the tone of the voice that didn't match. I mean, not everyone can be James Earl Jones haha

@@BlanDandelion True, but Scott Lawrence has come the closest to sounding like JEJ.

Finally, we get a true union of the two great actors needed to bring us cinema's greatest villain! Had they been able to mix in a little bit of David Prowse, the homage would have been complete, but this is definitely sufficient & honorable. RIP David Prowse, and thank you Hayden Christensen & James Earl Jones.

that smile that comes across his face as he says it... Damn.. Such a good scene.

I actually watched it again and u were right! Amazing!

and that crack of a smile God I love Vader

“He betrayed and murdered your father.” - Ben Kenobi

I'm personally of the opinion that the conflict within Anakin manifests itself in the duality of Anakin and Vader. Similar to the scene in Rebels when he's talking to Asoka, In that moment, I think it was Anakin speaking more than Vader. In his own way, Anakin was telling Obi-Wan that this wasn't his fault, and that he shouldn't feel sorry or guilty for him. Anakin wants to reassure Obi-Wan that his choices were his own and it wasn't Obi-Wan's fault he turned out this way. OTOH, Vader is also speaking, telling Obi-Wan he doesn't want his pity. This duality, and how it eventually influences Obi-Wan's world view, is one of my fav things about this show.

LIKE POETRY

Technically, it was when Luke said, “Come with me.” Unfortunately, Obi-Wan never said it.

@@kevinphoenix2007 Agreed, it’s the only issue I take from this. Kenobi should have said “it’s not too late to change Anakin” which would tie in with “it is too late for me, son.”

Yes, this episode connects to Return of the Jedi and Homage to Star Wars Rebels.

@Kyuku Obviously, and that aspect of Anakins journey was never truly redeemed imo.

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Character development

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I like the way you think! Also, the fact that this planet is very rocky could symbolize stubbornness (as the Earth element does) - the way Anakin has been stubbornly "stuck" as Vader for a decade now, and will remain so for over a decade more.

really wonderful insight!

Such a wonderfully artistic and intelligently executed critique my friend. You definitely hit every detail on the head. It's so beautiful how this tragedy was constructed and brought to the audience. Bravo! You need to work for Lucasfilm btw.

Like your interpretation but honestly it just feels like they were working with the best the volume could produce during early covid, personally to take your interpretation further and to make it more visually interesting it should have been filmed in a swampy forest at night, where the environment is teaming with life but its decayed and stagnate, representing the death of beauty but the possibility bubbling beneath, also it would have been visually interesting and extremely unique for Star Wars

That's some serious deep analysis. The director really knows her stuff

I honestly didn't really feel much of that when I first watched the episode which is why I decided to make this edit. When I finished it i've probably watched this well over 15 times and had the feels hit me almost every time lol.

Dude, the editing you did to this, it makes the whole sequence that much more powerful. Awesome job!

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Hi there!! I agree with every word... But would also add the fact that this is the first time I see Vader/Anakin and feel fear of what was behind the mask... I respect Vader now...

I think that the screenwriters made a mistake here. I love the action and drama in this scene; but Vader should have handed Obi Wan a second defeat since Vader should be nearly unbeatable by this point--and thus, it would definitely be now left up to Obi Wan and/or Yoda to train Luke and/or Leia to defeat him.

They should of added in a glimpse of episode 1, when they first met

I think you're right. I think somewhere in one of the newer comics series it touches on Vader's regret of his choices. Hayden himself said that there was a good amount of conflict in the character he tried to portray, and I think he's referencing this scene specifically. Not to forget the attention to detail of lighting. Even when you see it, there's essentially no blue on Vader's helmet, mostly just the mix on his face. A bit of the good that's suppressed within.

@@AdamWatt00 spot on.

It's a bit more than that, yes Vader is truly remorseful that he's become what he's become. He's fought his whole life to stop the people he's become. At the same time Vader telling Obi-Wan that he isn't his failure, that he didn't kill Anakin that from the moment he killed those younglings he killed the man he was. In short Vader is telling Obi-Wan that stop feeling sorry for who I am and what happened to me you're only doing what we've been doing all this time, it was me who failed. Be free of YOUR guilt. You tried to guide me to the right path but I let myself go this way. I killed the man I once was and I have to live knowing this fact.

He's still conflicted. Anakin is gone.

“It nuts” 👀👀

Right on all counts but angsty isn't appropriate. It's such an immense depth of despair. The loss of his mother fractured his mind. Anakin retreated and what becomes Vader takes over to ensure that he can never be hurt again. Though, Vader was lying when he said he killed Anakin. He was trying to break Kenobi's heart even more because the apology was hurting Anakin. This part is just speculation. I think it's accurate, given Anakin's return to control just before he died on the Death Star and him saying, *_"tell your sister you were right."_* Anakin killed the Ro2 Sith in a single moment; finally restoring balance.

Obi Wan! OBI WAAAAAN!!!!!!

@Lee agreed

The Force Awakens and Rogue One and even Solo were damn good movies

@@zacgrasl4229 lmao

@@iloathepeoplewhorestilltal2774 lol what? What was wrong with those movies?

@@zacgrasl4229 Rogue One the best Star Wars movie after Star Wars , TFA meh... SOLO was just...well zzz I meant the Disney Triology.

ACTING The moment Obi Wan sees his friend he relaxes his position, leaving his defensive side position to be face to face and gives a very little smile, showing his hope to get him back, he even takes a little step towards him. Then he stands still with wet eyes, channeling his emotions into an apology. The moment he realizes his friend is truly gone he steps backs and takes some seconds to accept the truth. He goes from feeling hopeness, to sadness to realization and aceptance.

This shit isn't cannon. Goes against everything cannon. Disney is fucking up starwars

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 He literally just explained why it fits with canon

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 waaaaaaaaaa waaa :(((

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 It literally tied up everything that seemed canon breaking

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 amazing....every word of what you just said...was wrong

I mean, from a certain point of view.

@@kutlumzrak2689 a certain point of view?

No... Ashoka sliced the right side of Vader's mask. Obi-wan sliced the left side of Vader's mask. Go back and watch that episode of Rebels again. No cap.

like they were slowly chipping away at it… until luke broke him free

Been a while since I saw someone who doesn't know left from right.

The crazy thing is there are platforms like geeks and gamers saying that this series was copied from rebels. All I see is the writers adding more layers to the series overall. I must have watched the dialogue in the end more than the actual duel. Masterfully doing. The audience can literally feel the emotion and hatred from these two actors.

@@jb-dn5fy Obi-wan didn't have a lot of hate towards his former apprentice. It was more of Anakin having all that hate for Obi-wan because Obi-wan and the Jedi counsel ignored Anakin's needs

Both Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen really brought it with that final dialogue sequence no doubt.

You were not alone!

Which always rings in my head..."There are other fates worse than death."

​​@@jgvillan01 Facts. Sure, depends on how you die but, some things are much worse that a sweet release into death.

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Omg you're right, I didn't realize it before but.....crap. What a dumb line 🤦

@@katrinaleightilley8741 it's more of a mockery of their last fight on mustafar where he sneaked along with padme to fight him, he's trying to get into his head before this fight

I think it connects good with episode 3 though.

Pretty sure he means it in the way that obi wan isn’t running away from him anymore and lured to the planet so they could duel…

So you actually felt sorry for a guy who actually slaughtered children?

@@Rockhound6165 yep

@@Rockhound6165 Like the Empire wasn’t doing the same 🤔

Anakin may have done horrible things as Vader but he was a victim to this all as well

I wouldn't necessarily say Vader started as evil, broken seems more fitting

100%. There was a ton of symbolism with that whole sequence.

Agreed, in my head the blue light on his face when hes saying that symbolizes it is Anakin saying that and not Vader. Then the light turns red when Vader takes back over and says "I killed him"

That is the missed opportunity for Vader to say that.

@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868 Lol yeah....or "who has the high ground NOW?"

@@katrinaleightilley8741 I don't know Obi-Wan cheated The High Ground or he just a cheat code of the highground.

"I'm not your failure" for me has two meanings. The first one is that Anakin does not want/like to be belittled by Obi-wan. He's trying to say "treat me as an equal, I've made my own choices, this is my path whether you like it or not, I am not a less of version of myself, this is me". And likewise the other meaning is "Don't take it personal Obi Wan. I've become what I am not beacause of your inaction/ actions but because this was my decision. Darth Vader is not a by-product of our relationship. Don't blame yourself for what it happened. I am a man and I take full responsability of my actions. And, more importantly, I show no regrets of my past actions."

That was the small part of anakin that remains before fully embracing the dark side and vader the subtle touches with the lighting going from blue to red showed how conflicted he was

It's a good topic to talk about. During their first fight, Vader says 'I am what you made me', fully blaming Obi-Wan and his defeat at Mustafar for the monster he has become. Here, he seems conflicted; it seems he acknowledges that deep in him, he was always a monster, and he's not trying to play with the guilt Obi-Wan feels.

Really to me? Imo it's Vader simply confirming and correcting Obi Wan when Obi addressed him as Anikan, that he's not the Padawan that Obi trained any longer...far from it.

Use the color cues of the lightsaber on his face, that will tell you what it means when he says it

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Real men cried for both. 🤠

I keep hearing about the Ashoka/Vader duel....can you tell me what series that happened in? I am not familiar with alot of the SW universe.

@@katrinaleightilley8741 watch Star Wars Rebels that's all I'll say

@@philipchurch8772. I can't argue with you on that

I caught that too! But I interpreted it as Darth thinking "wow, this old man is a lot stronger than last time, I'm gonna get my ass kicked" as he nervously adjusts his grip

@@4xmadness " Last Time". Obi wan dismembered him during their last real duel.

Оби Впн всегда винил себя до конца

Might as well just be the king of the hill to stand a chance against obi wan 💀

Get the line right: "When I left you I was but a learner, now I am the master." "Only a master of evil, Darth." Yes, I am a nerd.

@@Rockhound6165 Reach The West (Darth Vader): "When I left you, I'm just a student, now is the master!" Old Ben/ The Ratio Tile (Obi Wan): " Evil, Darth Masters" Reach The West (Darth Vader): "Weak strength of the elderly" Old Ben/ The Ratio Tile (Obi Wan): "You cannot beat a dozen, if you attack me, I must be more powerful than you can imagine" ------Star War The Fourth Gathers: A Novelty Desires (Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope)

@@Rockhound6165 but THE learner**

moment

He already had that scar from being burnt.

There are some canon comic books that are really good and explore more of Vader.

And they nailed the fact that Vader could use the force to keep his suit somewhat working and that at the same time it exposed him to force back attacks as shown by Kenobi throwing a rock at him and then force pushing him away. And the sluggish movement from him after the force push as he was struggling to keep the suit working.

Exactly

The landscape and sky are perfect for this and yes, this is up there with ROTS IMO. Obi Wan did fail Anakin, the Council failed him by putting him at Palpatine's side when he wasn't equipped to handle it. They were distracted while he was on his downward spiral and he has reason to be pissed. Palpatine was the only person who offered to "help" deal with Anakin's fear of losing Padme so this makes perfect sense. The dialogue and performances were as good as it gets, I enjoyed the series from the start and to all the haters out there, I hope this pulled the series out of the fire. It's difficult to tell this story within the constraints of what we know will happen in the future, I believe they did a good job with this.

you will find better quality in a high school project, this is trash...

They hid Anakin's kids from the EMPEROR; not him. The Emperor was always looking to replace Vader after Mustafar.

Fuck that guy he killed young lings aha

@@kwasijenkins5253 lol shut up mate.😂

@@kwasijenkins5253there's also the fact that they were absolutely convinced Anakin died on Mustafar, so there's no way they were hiding the damn kids from Anakin in particular

He killed how many children and he's the good guy!?!

Agreed

Yea I feel like if it was anybody else Vader would of killed him this round, just doesn’t seem as sharp and Obi-Wan spares him again as well… indeed interesting 🤔

To bad it goes against the cannon but Disney doesn't care

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 I didn't know it isn't accurate to the cannon...

@@SirMagLugo in the canon before Disney. Kenobi and vader didn't meet until episode 4. Kenobi never became a coward. He stayed on tattooine to watch over Luke. Kenobi only got stronger in the force but never able to over power vader. To many issues

@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 The entire point of this series is to see how Obi-wan knew Anakin was Vader. Just because he became a coward doesn’t mean it’s not canon any Jedi Master can become a coward if pushed hard enough. And if they never met before ep 4 how did Obi-wan know Vader? Explain that?

@@quavers4834 in legends he sees in a bar on tatooine imperial propaganda about Vader's exploits in kashik after killing a group of jedi just weeks after Mustafar, he goes through a panic attack and Qui gon has to assure him that Vader would never go back to Anakin's home planet because of the pain that it would bring him, which is why Luke was safe until ANH

And Anakin accepts the apology _by_ rejecting it.

@@Humaricslastcall, he was never going to accept it to begin with.

Rogue One? The Force Awakens?

@@zacgrasl4229 bro

@@DoctorLester1 what

@@zacgrasl4229 force awaken 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂(thats shit is trash). rogue one is on par

@@zacgrasl4229 hell no

I mean.... Bc they basically were. We can pretend all we want that Rey and Kylo we're official Jedi but the fact is that their training was pretty shit 😂 comparing two of the best Jedi to ever hold lightsabers to two amateurs is a bit silly

With some fairness these two had classic training with the "ballet" dance style whereas Rey and Kylo were trained to be more barbaric imo (Rey having to survive with a stick and Kylo being a sith brute) lol but yea I prefer the classic as well.

@@dukegoliath given that the comics and books do all the leg work for the sequels and explain that Kylo actually underwent quite some extensive training, they could've at least given Kylo some better choreography

Agreed it's in my top five as well

This scene was also one of the main reasons why Darth Vader developed his fighting style to protect his core/control panel. 🙂

The fact it was anakins voice still saying i did kind of worked for me, because then it was like anakin killed himself.

Which also works for me because the first thing he says after killing mace windu is ‘what have I done’

That thought occurred to me as well - I wonder how much this was debated among the writers/directors, and why they opted for Anakin's voice? Still, it works very well. The whole scene does.

Very true.. Its what Padme said before she die from childbirth. That there is still good of him...

He actually did him - and the galaxy - a disservice. He shoud have put him out of his misery and ended it right there - as Anakin was basically pleading for him to do by screaming out his name! Had he done so, countless lives would have been saved although no other apprentice would have utimately killed Palpatine.

Not what I got at all .. he walked away from Darth Vader. He even says Anakin is dead. For Obi Wan to fight now would only serve to feed the ego of Vader. It was practically an insult, to say to Vader "Well OK then. So you killed my friend. F this. You, VADER, are not worth my time..." Dude practically insulted Vader/AnAkIn...

@@RogueBoyScout that's another way to look at it.