The Peoples of Rhovanion

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3 жыл бұрын

Eriador is a land with a long history; a history shared by many different races and peoples, many of whom fell victim to the brutal ravages of time. In this video, I show those who perished and those who survived in the wide, untamed lands.

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@TheMasonK 3 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised you didn’t include the fourth age. There were changes in the fourth age to these lands. After the end of the war of the ring the area of Greenwood was divided in half by Celeborn and Thranduil. The south being renamed East Lorien. Lothlorien is largely abandoned after the departure of Galadriel and many elves. Eventually the Misty Mountains would be retaken by the dwarves under Durin VII “The Last”. Gondor would also claim land up to the Sea of Rhun as well after they and the Rohirrim went to war with the Easterlings to force the last remnants of Sauron’s influenced men into submission. I’m sure I’m forgetting some.

@TheMasonK 3 жыл бұрын

All and all a great video tho once again Darth Gandalf!

@michelmorio8026 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly liked the approach of the Mod creators of „Divide and Conquer“ to make Dorwinion a mixed nation of Avari Elves and Northmen! That would be pretty unique and outstanding in Tolkien’s world... a perhaps majority humanly nation with an elvish elite/nobility

@reecepip4857 3 жыл бұрын

Wonder how the journey of Bilbo and the Dwarven company would have gone if they went through Central Millwood and enlisted the help of the woodmen as guides and for sanctuary. I mean they survived spiders and the general evil of the forest way better than the elves it seemed. Could have been a cool alternative forest adventure. Great video as always!

@michelmorio8026 3 жыл бұрын

They might have run out of time to get to the back-portal on said day they needed to get there

@sayagarapan1686 3 жыл бұрын

You have a knack for picking the best, most varied and diverse content about Middle-Earth, and not just repeats of mundane and cookie cutter, over used subjects. In my opinion this makes yours the very best Tolkien channel around.

@LeHobbitFan 3 жыл бұрын

SO GLAD you made a video on this topic!!! The people of Rhovanion played an important part in the history of Gondor, despite how little we read about them in the Legendarium. Hats off, good sir!

@yipyaplance3983 3 жыл бұрын

I, really like ur videos. It gives a fresh view from other Tolkien content creators

@mikekochendorfer7965 2 жыл бұрын

-your

@tamerofhorses2200 3 жыл бұрын

Just clicked on the channel and saw this was uploaded a min ago, what a coincidence.

@coolbeans7576 3 жыл бұрын

Love the videos keep up the work!

@PeculiarNotions 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this one. This region has always been one of my favorites, and I enjoyed hearing more about it.

@crepley8335 3 жыл бұрын

I love your usage of maps and colouration. Absolutely great!

@paolomesterom6899 3 жыл бұрын

You are defenitly the best lord of the rings channel on KZfaq, you’re videos are always top tier!! Keep up the good work

@yanniskanakis8925 3 жыл бұрын

Love your work man! Always relaxing to watch.

@Barbossa778 3 жыл бұрын

Love all your videos man, I always get excited when I see them out. Your channel deserves to be huge

@jonystyles9473 3 жыл бұрын

for real man its insanely better than others

@SarmisPug Жыл бұрын

Only recently found your channel, but I'm enjoying delving into your vlogs. This one is great. I hadn't really thought about Rhovanion much, but now I'll pay much more attention. thank you.

@istari0 3 жыл бұрын

I love these historical videos.

@toddfeather5760 3 жыл бұрын

It’s cool subject and like the information you provide

@judahenjoyseducation4549 3 жыл бұрын

I could listen to you talk about LOTR all day man. i love your channel. I also wish we could see some Of battles Fought by the Elves and Dwarves in the War of the Ring. the battles of Erebor, Dol Goldur, And Lothlorien are the Stuff of legend.

@THEHORMAS 2 жыл бұрын

Great content!

@brethilnen 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video

@AmishPaladin 3 жыл бұрын

Good job!

@jonystyles9473 3 жыл бұрын

amazing man, once again new lore! Howcome no one says this so specified as you? you really are the best of ME channel, congratz once again :) people of Rhovannion are just tougher than the rest period! They did more than many with way lower numbers and arms. Dont forget Hador had the best fighters of all houses, it was in their blood and culture ;) my opinion on Dorwinion is simple, I think in the beggining it was populated by almost entirely Elves (Nandor also), but when the threat of Sauron and Easterlings came more, they eventually fled West... only to be left for Men of the area, eventually conquered by the Easterlings in the 3rd Age ;) keep up the good work!

@DarthGandalfYT 3 жыл бұрын

Solid, plausible theory with Dorwinion, but if Easterlings did conquer Dorwinion, they must've been on relatively friendly terms with their neighbours considering they traded with Thranduil's people.

@jonystyles9473 3 жыл бұрын

@@DarthGandalfYT yeah man the Wine trading i know, i got 2 theories for it First, the wine they traded was the same kind of the Dorwinion wine but cultivated a little more north inside Dales territory Second, it was already in Easterling domain but they exported it more expensive to other races... If they conquered most of Rhovannion they would definitly would want all controll of the Sea of Rhun borders i think :)

@DarthGandalfYT 3 жыл бұрын

Nice. I like the idea of Easterlings selling wine at ridiculous prices, and then using that wealth to build an army to conquer their less-liked trading partners.

@jonystyles9473 3 жыл бұрын

@@DarthGandalfYT yeah imagine man... we know some races didnt get along, but money is money... Gondor had some of the finnest materials in ME, presumibly some kinds of food and weeds that they could not get or cultivate inside Gondors territory... and if they had, it had to come from somewhere or traded (even raided, their farmlands) by someone, and then brought back... just like the wine of Dorwinion :) Germans and English hated each other but often traded stuff on the war frontlines, specially in Christmas... might be another hidden message from Tolkien :)

@ecthelion1735 9 ай бұрын

This is excellent. Also it reminds me of how terrible the handling of the Dorwinion people was in LOTRO, lol.

@needfoolthings 2 жыл бұрын

I like your very own compromise between pronunciation as intended by Tolkien within the respective language and when said within a different language with different sound codes, in this instance, English. Worlds better than most similar channels.

@michelmorio8026 3 жыл бұрын

I don‘t know if I can say you‘re the best content creator on Yourube considering Middle-earth and Tolkien... I simply haven‘t seen them all to judge that way 😅 What I can say is you seem not to do the usual repetitive stuff... it’s sadly often the case a video appears on one channel only to appear slightly changed on how the same content gets presented on another channel just a few weeks/months later! ... and compared to them, you therefore definitely deserve more attention and viewers! 😊

@Viktorvelat95 2 жыл бұрын

As a hardcore LOTR, the Hobbit and the Silmarillion fan, I really appreciate and enjoy what you're doing! My only question would be - are men of Angmar basically corrupted men of Rhudaur who were corrupted by the witch king who destroyed the kingdom of Arnor? Also, I thought that the Eotheod, a.k.a. proto Rohirrim people were related to the men of Dale, but it makes sense that they drived away the corrupted men of Angmar

@Sockenmodulator 3 жыл бұрын

Great overview, and a really excellent map representation of the events! I have a few comments and questions: - You forgot the Fangorn male ents but themed the female ents. So it's a very ent-feminist video. - Woodmen probably lived only at the western edges of the wood. - When Dol Guldur was strong enough, Necromancer's creatures spread northwards and occupied the mountains of Mirkwood, too. (Your map unfortunately doesn't reflect that.) - Did the survivors of the men of Rhovanion (Eorlingas) mix up with the vale men? - Did the dragons and orcs of the Grey Mountains live in symbiosis or were they enemies? - Was Erebor completely abandoned by the dwarves in 2210 when the king moved to the Grey Mountains or did they leave some dwarves behind? - Why didn't the Easterlings conquer or attack neither the proto-dale-men nor the people of Dorwinion?

@mikealexander1935 3 жыл бұрын

The male ents lived in Fangorn forest on the WEST side of the Anduin (not part of Rhovanian). The Entwives lived on the EAST side (in the south of Rhovanion) which became the Brown Lands (check the map in LOTR).

@Sockenmodulator 3 жыл бұрын

By the way, this video is also a good addition to your comprehensive video on the history of Eriador (which I just commented on as well). Now Gondor is still missing, isn't it? You've already covered a lot of Gondor's 3rd Age, but I'd be interested in an overall history, especially of the original inhabitants of Gondor before the arrival of the Numenoreans and their relationship to them. For example, I recently read the unfinished tale of Tal-Elmar, which I found quite interesting and unusual. All this is good background knowledge to be able to tell exactly where the upcoming Amazon series is spreading bullshit... ;-)

@DarthGandalfYT 3 жыл бұрын

These are great points and questions. The simplest answer I can give is that the video is made from scraps of information that we get from the Appendices, the Unfinished Tales, and the History of Middle-earth. So as a result, whilst we get a general idea of what was happening in Rhovanion, we're still kind of blind to some of the finer details, and thus the video has to be a little speculative. As for the map, it's tough to represent everything perfectly as sometimes we have different groups of people living in the same place. I'll try to answer some of them though - the Eotheod and Vale-men mix? Possibly, but they both existed as separate people afterwards. Did Orcs and Dragons co-exist? They definitely can, but I think it depends on the different Orcs and Dragons involved. Smaug was certainly only out for himself. Was Erebor completely abandoned? We're not sure. If it wasn't, there certainly wouldn't have been many Dwarves living there. Why didn't the Easterlings attack/conquer the Dale-men/Dorwinion? They might've. We get little references to these people. For example, when the Wainriders conquer Rhovanion, it's said that some of the Northmen flee northwards to join the peoples that lived in what would become Dale. That implies that those Men remained free, but we don't know what exactly was going on there, nor whether they were attacked or not. And don't worry - I was planning on including the Ents in my Peoples of Gondor video.

@michelmorio8026 3 жыл бұрын

It is a video about Rhovanion! The Ent-wives played a role there, the males not! So your critique feels forced or not entirely thought through! It‘s like complaining there is no media report about a male team during the women‘s worldcup 🤨

@Sockenmodulator 3 жыл бұрын

@@michelmorio8026 Well, this point was less of a criticism and more of a (bad) joke (because Fangorn Forest is visible on the map all the time)...

@otaku-sempai2197 2 жыл бұрын

If the Beornings took their name from Beorn then his original folk must have been known by some other name. Perhaps they should be referred to as "Proto-Beornings"?

@tehwatcherintehwater2022 3 жыл бұрын

11:50 ...and the Watcher!

@Crafty_Spirit 2 жыл бұрын

Did you also appear west of the Misty Mountains?

@celtofcanaanesurix2245 Жыл бұрын

you should do one of the area of Gondor and Mordor (since they are so close)

@way2tehdawn 2 жыл бұрын

I know there aren’t many people but can you do one of these for Mordor, Rohan and Gondor please 🥺 🙏

@mrXOwarrior Жыл бұрын

What is up with that music 12:00 ? Love the video!

@Diegoromir 3 жыл бұрын

Can you make a similar video on the peoples of Gondor and surrounding regions?

@DarthGandalfYT 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely a future video.

@nole8923 10 ай бұрын

One of the things I’m most interested in Tolkiens work is what the heck is out in the far east of middle earth.

@Aurgelmir87 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid. I just have a pet peeve while listening to it; I think your pronounciation of eotheod is probably a bit off. You seem to pronounce it as "E-Athe-odd" (can't hear the first "o" at all). The name is constructed from the Anglo-Saxon words "Eoh" (meaning horse, same as the Eo in Eowynn or Eomer and should be pronounced the same) and "Theod" (meaning "people" or rather "folk") . Saying thoose word-elements back to back l think could improve pronunciation. But this is me being pedantic, I might even be wrong so feel free to ignore.