Aiden’s missing sister has the same name as Ethan’s missing wife: Mia, because they’re both Missing In Action.

I think every story department needs at least two or three people whose sole purpose is to rip apart every possible plot hold that comes up. Yes those people will be hated but damn it will the plot be more solid

Bro that whole “get me my new shoes” part gotta be the dumbest quest ever in the history of videogames

Don’t forget how many times aiden passed out every other cutscenes

Honestly this game should have had a zombie power skill tree as aiden becomes more zombie. It fits with the title being “ stay human “ they can balance it out with making stronger infected enemies. Also my biggest gripe with the story is that despite him being the secondary antagonist you don’t meet the butcher until the end of the game. It would have been cool to meet him sooner so he can explain his side of the story.

Sin 30, aka the Poisoned water, pissed me off so much. It was obvious to me that the water guy would try and kill me to protect his secret, if I told him straight that I wouldn't keep his secret, plus he had no way of knowing if I would keep my word of I promised not to tell. So I lied, said sure, and took his bribe, but planned to tell the truth anyway. Then the game locks you into that choice, and forces you to keep it a secret even though you don't have any reason to once you get back to the bazzar. I fully intended to tell the truth, but instead Aiden keeps his word, and let's an innocent man die. 2nd time I did the quest, I was honest and told the man I would tell the bazzar everything, and he OBVIOUSLY tried to kill me. I mean shit, it's the same kind of stupid decision we all make fun of dumb crime show and horror movie characters for making "you're a murderer, and only I know! I'm gonna tell you loud and clear that once I walk out of this room, that we are currently in alone together, I'm gonna tell the cops and get you killed. Now put down the knife and unlock the door, so I can go get you killed pretty please. ZOMG WHO WOULD OF GUESSED YOU'D KILL ME TO KEEP YOUR SECRET?! WHAT A SURPRISE! "

It should be counted as a sin that Aidan passes out in nearly every mission

The idea of changing the map by siding w a faction or another was a huge selling point, I was shocked when I discovered the only time you can alter the city like in the showcase was ONLY during the last mission... Game fun cause parkour zombie, but as you said at the beginning, 7 years for this...

They should've kept crane as the main character after he became a sentient volatile, maybe work in the "stay human" mechanics and make it so that he has the appearance of a human for the majority of the game/masks himself and becomes a volatile in dark areas, maybe they could've had a story of him having learned to control himself yet fully use his volatile powers to protect humans. It could allow for a skill tree specific to volatile powers, maybe dlc? i know i'd buy that. Imagine how awesome that would be, not to mention story wise it would be interesting too. Something tells me this was the initial idea with some of the mechanics, like when you have to escape areas before you turn.

Should’ve, Could’ve, Would’ve: .Played as Lawan, starting as a child and being taken in by Frank, having the tutorial be her years of training .Make the Night-runners a neutral faction that runs for the whole city .Remove all the GRE and Waltz stuff .Double down on the factions, the number of choices and the consequences of those choices .Make the Butcher the main antagonist .End the game with a climatic city wide fight that, depending on your choices, is either… - PK’s vs Renegades - Survivors vs Renegades - PK’s & Survivors vs Renegades Maybe even include the Renegades as a joinable faction for the endgame and throw in some stuff with a Volatile Crane

I love how they made a big deal out of the story in this but it sounds more convoluted and ridiculous than the 1st game. Also that boss fight with waltz looks worse than those expiremental infected who are like minibosses

The fact the roof tops, after only 15 years since the fall, with zero ground soil, are riddled with 50 year old looking trees and stumps - whose roots presumably would have nowhere to root. Thank God my HOA enforces strict rooftop mowing and maintenance 👨‍🔧 I’m still just salty that they could’ve just released this sequel with the same engine as the first game and it would still be superior in every conceivable way.

My biggest gripe is how grim the world is made to be. Imagine you live in Goodsprings, Nevada, or and Island on the coast of Ireland. The virus wouldnt even reach you. But most spectacular is the gun plot hole. The city was apparently raided and ammo ran out, but if the peacekeepers halted the military/renegades, they would've had firepower and the ability to make it. Not to mention military convoys that have been left out have axes and katanas inside even though they would have guns and ammo, unless you're saying the military took their guns when they left but not their transportation and left museum items in their place, also there shouldnt be tennis ball grenades in a labratory left shut before the need arose. Just like with military medkits, the game should've had items from before (guns, grenades, and practical melee weapons) and items made after like the "honey flower medkit".

I honestly had no idea how many plot holes were in this until watching this video… 7 years definitely wasn’t spent on going over the finer details 😂

I'd like a sin for making the rebels ending objectively the best one despite coming off just as violent and dickish as the PK and making me want both factions to piss off.

Omg that end boss was THE worst of all time, I was literally yelling at my tv for this game to be over

10:40 Hakon was a nighrunner, and they take lots of inhibitors, which boost strength, stamina, and immunity. Of course he would be able to last longer, since at this point, Aiden has only had 2.

I remember laughing when the first trailer for DL2 was shown and their main selling point was that the choices will actually matter.

The two peacekeepers with water pouring out of their coats had me laughing 😂

Thank you, Dartigan. Now that you mention it, why hasn't Mario ever had a first person game? He jumps just as much as Kyle Crane or Aiden. I vote for House of Ashes. Forbidden West after.

Waltz is discount Wesker.

Never knew how much more I would love the first game after watching you play this. I could barely sit through the plot of this game let alone the teleportation enemies and characters have. I'm surprised you didn't add how the brute teleported to the top of the building you were on without a sound. Great vid cant wait for whichever is next!

are we sure Aiden is not just in a coma somewhere after having fallen 12364578 miles and landing on his head, with the amount of inconsistencies, forgetfulness, false memories and so on and on and on, I'm pretty sure after just watching this video about the game I'm developing plot amnesia, there should be a warning label on this game

The reason aiden didn’t experience the affects of the experiments was because he wasn’t infected until he entered the city

4:56 You forgot to sin that Waltz didn’t even check for a vein before jamming a whole needle in his arm and injecting him with mystery liquid.

alcohol can prevent several types of poisoning (Mike Malloy is a good example) but I believe it needs to already be in your system before consuming the poisons to be effective

It bothered me how much aiden sounded like crane. I had to look up the voice actor to make sure it wasn’t him

Although you never read the comments, one vote for dark pictures. It was truly the best one since until dawn by far

I love how after that radio mission, the security faction still controls the vnc tower AND the elevator works. Even if Aiden picked the survivor faction... the security forces could still just send a dude up the elevator and change the settings.

This video made me feel better for feeling mostly confused and thinking I missed stuff. The game equivalent of 'it's not you..it's me'.....

I'm surprised that you didn't sin the informant that you meet in the subway tunnel another time. I think he deserves another sin for telling you to get to the tunnel as fast as possible because he needs help, just for him to not be there to unlock the door and cause for Aiden to be attacked by a volatile and get bit. Which caused for the whole infection thing to happen to Aiden, Aiden almost dying to the Bazaar residents, and Aiden having the adverse effects from the inhibitors(i might be wrong on what caused for him to go volatile whether it be the bite or inhibs) and some other things lol. But at the same time, I think without Aiden going volatile, Aiden would totally get wrecked by Waltz in a fight.

I see themes and intents throughout the story that give it a good foundation, but so much of it seems to be thrown together from multiple drafts from half written scripts. I have a few points of speculation from what I remember: 1: Lawan was supposed to be the female main character. From having a more interesting story and personality, to being a loner, to being roughly on par the few times she's directly with you, she seemed like she was originally going to be a choice of a female protagonist, with Aiden the male. And/or a co-op character. 2: The Butcher. Given how much he's talked up, I'm fairly certain he was either supposed to be the main antagonist, with Waltz either added later or a more subtle or even secret villain. The demo we saw before, years ago, literally spoiled half the endgame, and I don't think they would do that unless it was one option of an ending, or they were a joinable faction. For example, if I recall right, they had said that our actions would drastically alter the city, and possibly even it's landscape; specifically flooding parts of it. And there is a dam that is important enough to add to the game and have a location marker, but never visit. I think that the renegades would have destroyed the dam in order to take out the PK base with a wave, forcing it to crash into the city buildings. But I'm rambling on this point by now. 3: Volatile Aiden. I don't have much for this besides the fact it was added to the game at all, but I feel like it may have been intended to be an actual mechanic, whether triggerable, or being out too long caused it, and UV ending it, but the rapid onset of it, in spite of (or because of) inhibitors, and how he was seemingly so special in the experiments, it stands to reason that combined with being so close to a cure, and him likely having that almost cure, gave him some control while under the infection's influence, possibly similar to the matriarch in the first DLC..

Killing a horse that is wounded after it fell off a cliff isn't psychotic. It's humane.

*#25:* "Hakon has been in the dark just as long as Aiden" I didn't think about this when I was playing, my thought was that I had been in the dark *waaaaay* longer than the default timer of about 5 mins when first getting the bracelet. I guess I just assumed his "immunity timer" was longer than mine. Either way, Aiden should've turned a lot sooner

Why did you do the rebel playthrough? They fuck you over at every chance and then expect everything to work out with a half-assed apology.

in the part where you were running away from walts with lawan, you should have added a sin for the doors in that sequence. They had an awfully slow delay before opening and they led to a dumb cutscene of aiden opening the door either way

Really hard to make me care about the Survivor side when first thing they do is try to hang you then when you help them they keep questioning your loyalty when aiden never said he was on their side I just end up helping frank

Your choices matter but not really. Only three choices affect the ending you get. That said for story missions who you side with gives you different missions. Bazaar blows up the wind mill, Pks you get a. Tunnel segment where your trapped because the wind mill gets blown up. For Juan and Matt Juan sends you to a tech Savant to bug the communications and he lives in a massive church with a demolisher. Matt you get the mission Dart showed. Also you can get another mid game waltz fight instead of fighting Hakon in the Jaun route If you side with Juan Frank dies anyway, Lawan goes to the island and kills everyone. Also it makes the most sense, story, persoanlity, and gameplay wise to side with the Bazaar but I’m sad they got no sins for being just the most disgusting, evil assholes. Even when you side Against the Peacekeepers the survivors try to kill aiden the most. (If you include Side quests. Counting only main story it stays even) Also no sun for them trying to hang aiden? You are the best roaster and the best when it comes to taking apart the details of the game. The reason stated they try to hang Aiden is he’s turning, makes sense. But in the cutscene someone asks why don’t they use a shovel? And then it comes up later that the whole bazaar can’t take on One infected man, despite fighting peace keeper squads, and that hanging him was the “only” way. Despite the fact uv lights are everywhere

3:43 A GRE recorder said something about how in a few weeks of the virus leaking out of the lab, half the world’s population would be infected. My question is: How? Is the virus airborne, is it more infectious, does it no longer require a bite to spread it? How the virus spread during the opening stages of the outbreak makes no sense. Add one more sin

Starting out I was like: bruh, they really went with the “I’m looking for my long lost family member” plot.

I ended up going with the Peacekeepers because the survivors were annoying and I hated Barney lol overall I enjoyed the game but it was wayyyyyy more zombies in the first game. I vote for House of Ashes and then Horizon.

If they told me to go get some damn shoes for some dumb broad in the middle of a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE I would have stopped playing this game.

19:20 I feel like getting infected and starting to take inhibitors and the experiments combined produce this effect, although I agree it wasn't looked into as much as it should have been

The infamous games do a great job incorporating the parkour with the power fantasy game play and the story of 1 and 2 is considered amazing by the fans

So normally when I play open world games, I'm kind of a completionist. I didn't do the challenges so much as every side quest in the first game. But when I played this game I had trouble doing even one of the side quests. I was quickly getting bothered by the fact that both factions who were willing to help Aiden required him to help them multiple times before even giving him one ounce of what he needed. I was getting annoyed by the very slow pacing when it came to the main story, but I dunno, I guess I'm just getting impatient anymore 😕🤷‍♀

You know how to tell if a game is truly boring? When even the sins video of the game is boring. Dang...

A lot of these sins are super valid, BUT my playthrough was significantly different from yours. Even if it’s true there are only 4 major choices, my missions were vastly different from yours in many spots. Just as my first and second playthroughs were different from each other. All in all this game is very much like the first Dying Light. Story and characters suck but the gameplay keeps me hooked. Still had a lot of fun over 100 hours

Great video, was looking for someone to pick this mess apart, made me laugh. Though was surprised you didn't mention how broken the beginning of waltz chase scene was, perhaps you didn't notice. When you look up in window some random guys throwing knives at you whilst she's shouting run, but your running away from nothing until the bit he bursts through the door. I think techland should be embarrassed and hit the drawing board on how to fix everything in this game

My biggest problem with the game were the cut-scenes before a fight. Every single jackass that starts a fight with you always gets a sucker punch on you. You're supposed to be a badass, and you can be a badass in actual gameplay, but the moment a cut-scene happens, you turn into some chump who gets sucker punched every 10 seconds. I hated it. In fact, Aiden is just an overall chump in most cut-scenes. Made it really hard to like him.

Let's be honest: this game has a garbage plot. One of the worst plots and characters I've ever seen. And gameplay wise? It's worse than the first one. 7 years, a huge tone of commercials, and all for this? I've seen 1 person indie games made under a year being better in everything than this.

I’m starting to think that they actually are encouraging you to go with the peacekeepers in the most unsubtle way possible with the most unbelievable characters. Think about it, at every turn the survivors are at your throat and at least half the time the peacekeepers are reasonable and actually appreciate your work. And the other half they reasonably declare you an enemy when you give them every reason to do it. Hell, even the nightrunner leader introduction is a drunken jackass who you don’t care about just as much as everyone else. Now I don’t agree with the way they presented and executed it (like at all cause holy fuck is it not subtle whatsoever) but I’m starting to think you’ll have a lot better of a time if you side with the peacekeepers.

I swear the game looks so Far Cry.

35:44 "I only sin glitches for two reasons; they're omnipresent or unique." But which one is this water pouring out of the Peacekeepers jackets? Omnipresent or unique?

can we add another sin for how overblaringly easy combat was? i literally cheesed hakon by shooting arrows and dropkicking him into a corner hell, i could probably have done it without the arrows, and you can chew through streets easily with melee weapons and you dont even have to use them, you can just dropkick the zombies and it does a fair job

My favourite game savage on the Internet, this will be brilliant as per usual.

31:47 The shield that guards the realms of man... this game's writing is on the level of fanfiction writers 😅

A full monologue for one sin in the beginning, you should've given at least 5 sins straightaway

This game is in the same boat as FNAF Security Breach, alot of this game seemd to be left on the cutting room floor.

you missed so many sins of aiden just standing around watching something and waiting to get detected or getting jumped in the most obvious ways

2:50 Actually,Crane learned that it would take camden too long to create a vaccine instead of there being no vaccine.

I don't get how some of the Renegades sound like cartoon villains lol

Damn, I really thought more highly of this game before watching this. This is Telltale levels of story choice - and they really went all in on advertising it. Hell, Cyberpunk 2077 did a better job.

Let me just say this I'm happy you still making videos I really enjoyed the gaming sins type of videos alot💗.

I like how you didn’t mention that Aiden landed on an armored vehicle at the factory which probably wouldn’t have cushioned the fall at all like traditional aluminum panels on normal cars

how did they change the story from running out of water to super villain fights and missiles. The story literally got worse as it progressed.

Pretty funny that your playthrough was about the same as mine, choices wise. I was hoping to not regret pre-ordering the game but I think the more I look into it, the more I have to change my positive review into a negative one.

you missed one point, shots for the workers: Hey barry how was the 8 hour shift ? oh nothing i just hit myself with 500 shots of uuuuaaarggghhh

I honestly don't know if I should buy this game because I'm afraid I'm not gonna like it as much as the first game, especially gameplay-wise. From what I have seen, DL2's combat looks very arcade-y and less physic-based.

Thanks dartigan, truly happy to see you’re still makin videos and I really hope people discover you and get those views back up to the 100ks

Can you sum up the game in one sentence? "This game used to be more fun"

Make a sins video for deus ex original one that would be funny as fuck

if you side with jaun you end up basically siding with the renegades, because they end up getting the tower/city. also if you read the collectables i think it is you find out matt has cancer and thats why hes got the cough.

Babe wake up dartigan posted a sins video

I goddamn knew that the choices weren't gonna affect the world other than how it looked. That whole choice system was one of the huge reasons I wanted to play the game, so disappointed that was a let down

Even after all the bugs I found in this game, I couldn’t even watch the entire last cinematic cutscene at the end because the game just cut out half way through.

hakon was a former nightrunner it is possible that he took a lot more inhibitors than Aiden , so that's why he had more time in the dark ( the game plot makes no sense tho , because Aiden got a lot of inhibitors as a child so it doesn't really make sense why he is so weak at the start of the game)

2:27 thank you. i'm glad you brought that up. because both the following and dying light 2 both made me feel this.

I totally forgot what happened in the 1st game, so I'll have to watch the video for that one to care. And that opening with the burn intended for Cyberpunk 2077's developers? Funny but painful. I don't understand why there are 2 human factions at all, when the common enemy are the zombies. Same with The Last of Us.

This story was so convoluted that I had to rewind several parts and re-read them to process them. Honestly I would have never picked up on most of these sins myself because I would not be invested in these characters enough to care. The DL1 story was very to the point, with a few twists thrown in and easy to follow. DL2 is like a bad episode of real housewives.

@5:05 - why would somebody who's managed to avoid infection for 15+ years go into a sewer without a UV light?

I’d recommend everyone submitting petitions to restore the game back to its original state. This game went “woke” and it really shows. You have a game set in their theme of “modern dark ages” with a character who’s branded as a bandit by everyone yet all he does is go around saving puppies and kittens for completely forgettable characters wether it be main or side quests. You can see the game was originally a lot darker during the E3 trailer, you also see this at a few small points like the poisoned water side quest and working with dodger. It prompts you to be ruthless but then has replaced dialogue to make it soft. Old villedor is basically completely pointless, the choices you make there don’t matter at all and are basically all on one track no matter who you side with. They are also immediately forgotten as are all the characters in that area. Then you have the central loop.. where you meet more important plot characters who you only spend like 2 minutes with and don’t care remotely about them, like Frank is just some rambling drunk, Juan just has a “trust me bro” line of quests with zero incentive to help him all to get a “renegades” ending where you never even worked for them as well as the colonel a character referenced the entire game gets a 20 second appearance with a completely meaningless choice. Then you have Jack Matt’s line, which leads you to one of the 2 choices in the entire game that actually change the city in a way (extremely minor) and meaningless. You’re reward for this choice was nerfed making it so there’s no real reason to even side with him cause you just unlock an annoying enemy and an area with nothing in it along with fog that never goes away. Waltz lol.. wow this story makes no sense. You spend the entire game “hunting” waltz you encounter multiple opportunities to just be taken to him. Yet consistently fuck them up each time. So you try to find him, encounter people who will gladly take you to him and then BAM kill them lol.. it also makes no sense that you’re hunting him the entire time as he’s hunting you. You can see the cuts in his dialogue extremely clear when you get to the car factory. You can tell there was a prompt to join him, as there should have been and at the end of the game too. It makes zero sense. You get to him and he’s like “I don’t want to kill you” so..? Why would you have to kill him? They basically force you into the boss fight. He literally intends on bombing the city, and that’s one of the options lol.. so it makes zero sense. You have Lawan who references explosives looted from a warehouse where you never went too. You have Cillian contacting you saying the night runners are with you when you side with the renegades and they don’t even show up 😂, your only real choices in the game are based around lawan and Hakon cause those are literally the only characters flushed out. They have parts of the story like meeting Anderson and being prompted to save her or leave which mean basically nothing cause If you try to save her she dies anyway and the dialogue is so cringe “I’m glad we met” “me too” when you spent literally 10 seconds with her lol.. they try to add these weird emotional scenes to form an artificial connection with characters you don’t spend remotely enough time to even care. They leaned HEAVILY on factions being important and changing the city yet the only real change is a different coat of paint with some shit rewards that you don’t even use 90% of the time cause you just glide around the city which is completely empty and voided of all life. The interesting faction choices were removed like the bandit faction and Renegade faction. In favor of hobos which techland tries to coerce you into as some of the inhibitors are locked behind their quests. There’s zero desperation in the city, none of the factions remotely care what happens throughout. You can piss on either of them and they don’t care. They take no effort to retake resource locations, they have zero faction warfare even though they’re at war and when you take zones for a faction nothing really changes in the zones. All in all the gameplay is great but there’s nothing in the game of any substance. Everything is at 10% complete, it shows very blatantly. RPG mechanics were gutted and limited to no option other than to save people, the parkour is better but the moves are completely rehashed, the combat is cleaner but feels like Ai basically move in patterns just to setup so you can do moves on them. There’s zero end game content, story is riddled with holes, they promised one thing and delivered some trash lol. We shall see what comes of this in the next 5 years.

My main problem with DL2 is that there hasn't really been any progression whatsoever over 10 years. I thought there would be a faction of sentient volatile, more variants of volatile, and more GRE control (whether it be in the shadows or up-front). Kinda wish that there was some sort of "super" inhibitor that would make an appearance. That Volatiles would be more active. Most of all, make Waltz a secondary antagonist and give the protag a reason to fight other than wanting to "rescue" Mia and having no real plan to do anything after that (copying what spike said about settling down, especially in the context of Aidan then truly believing Mia to be his sister is low key disturbing, shows very little thought on what to do afterwards).

I don’t know why they introduced these variant zombies and used the poorly if they used them at all. The Banshees almost never show up outside of one scripted encounter and one quest, when they as one of the more nimble and jump capable zombies should harass you when you are above street level. The Goons are out in the open usually very easy to see and this allows you to encounter them on your terms instead of being around corners under cover or surprise enemies you have to scramble to regain your footing to engage. Volatiles are so hard to encounter that you almost never do unless you want to, they only show up outside if you’re really reckless or inside if you choose the wrong time to go in, they too should always be prowling about at night and above street level. Bolsters are useless and easy to kill but they are supposed to be I think… Whatever the spitting ones are called almost never detect you to attack you. Howlers are basically blind and all marked so you can easily avoid them. Virals don’t show up often enough, you usually have to attract them to encounter them. The Exploders are not a worry outside of a single story mission… Special infected are almost always clearly marked and far too rare, this is a horror game with a chase mechanic, they should be popping up and harassing you all over the place.

6:30 Considering they killed the previous lackeys who were interrogating him and waltz clearly lacks super hearing it seems reasonable he could’ve potentially manipulated him and lead him on a wild goose chase to potentially have a slim chance of escape

"But I would like to see the skin cancer rate" I know you're joking, but I keep wondering why this isn't a major issue in this game lol.

Not even 2min in and I'm dying on the floor laughing haha this is just accurate 100%

The combination of parkour, getting dumb after 15 years of civilization and zombies put some statements in place. Millenia's ideas for games, people is getting dumber, and there is not way in hell I am buying this lol.

I wish Aiden was not looking for his sister but instead was looking for a place safer than being outside the walls, therefore being inside the walls and just surviving.

I initially thought Mia was a Illusion created by Aiden’s Mind

Imagine awaiting for this game.

First dying light was a pretty decent zombie game where the story could just be considered background noise for some of the context, the sequel on the other hand is just worse than the first if we're gonna be talking about the general plot.

You can actually side with the renegades, someone clearly played the game only 1 time.

I appreciate your hard work. Well done bro.

Sin 45 if you played the game outside of the mission you would know that zipline goes to the silo you see Infront of you.

My first playthrough I got the bug where dialogue wouldn’t happen and you’d have to skip it all. Second play through I was actually able to see the dialogue. I still skip it. The story isn’t interesting to me. I also sided with the peacekeepers because I don’t want to let any group of survivors that literally hang and try to beat you to death be able to control the last remaining cities.

bro i treat every episode like going to the cinema xd

39:54 I’d rather not question where she was hiding the GRE key behind her, given her obvious lack of pockets.

Awesome video! But I didn't know the game is already released.

The Crossbow from siding with the PKs is way better than everything you get from the Survivors combined.

14:42 he sounded just as pissed as I did when I did this part