Bookbinding Adhesives Q&A // Adventures in Bookbinding

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In this video I'll go through a scenario explaining the thought process behind the adhesive choices. The second part of the video will be answering questions from Patreons and comments from the last adhesives video.
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DAS Bookbinding KZfaq Channel guide
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00:00 Bookbinding Adhesives Q&A
01:33 Rounded and backed book adhesives use example
01:45 Example of when to use glue
02:12 Example of when to use mix
03:10 Example of when to use paste
05:12 What’s the difference between PVA and EVA?
06:15 Why do I (DAS) use EVA instead of PVA?
07:42 Is EVA better than PVA?
08:18 What is archival and acid free?
08:50 What is the difference in types of Jade adhesives?
09:25 How do you tell what type of adhesive is in a glue?
09:43 What are some PVAs water soluble after drying?
09:55 Can you make your own PVA?
10:17 Can glue sticks and rubber cement be used in bookbinding?
12:20 Can you comment on dry mount tissue and innovative book designs
13:08 What adhesives are plastic free?
13:26 Is methyl cellulose stable?
13:49 Comment on Elmer’s glue
14:36 What are rules of thumb on laminating paper, card and board?
15:11 How to apply adhesives to avoid drying out too fast
16:45 Can you use Nori paste?
17:02 Can you use cold mix paste?
19:00 What flour versus wheat starch paste
20:07 Difficulty making paste
21:01 Corn starch paste?
21:17 Animal protein adhesives
21:53 Tear-away notepads
22:23 Additives for adhesives?
22:50 Shelf stability of adhesives
23:14 Using synthetic glue in restoration work
24:14 Adding glycerine to rabbit skin glue
24:30 Difficult to glue surfaces like photo paper
26:06 General advice for a beginner
27:22 Shameless Patreon plug
Avoiding Warped Boards (how paper and board react to adhesive)
This is the video I talk about the rules of thumb for laminating board, card and paper.
• Avoiding Warped Boards...
What is Paper Grain and How to Identify the Direction
• What is Paper Grain an...
How to Make Methyl Cellulose Adhesive (and mix)
• How to Make Methyl Cel...
Making Wheat Flour Paste
• Wheat Flour Paste for ...
Paste in the Microwave (very first DAS BB YT video)
• Making Bookbinding Pas...
Making Starch Paste (including double boiler and ThermoMix)
• Making Starch Paste fo...
Talas (US)
Jade 403 PVA
Methyl cellulose
Conservation Paste Brushes (great brushes!)
Hollanders (US)
PVA standard and Jade
Methyl cellulose
Paste brushes
Hewits (UK)
PVA M289
Cold mix paste
Paste brushes
Ratchfords (UK)
Universal PVA
Methyl cellulose
Round brushes
George Hill (Canada)
Carboxymethyl cellulose (CMC)
Planatol PVA
Andersen's Bookbinding Supplies (Australia)
PVA
CMC
Paste brushes
Schmedt (Germany)
www.schmedt.de
Relma (France)
www.relma.fr/lp71-colles.php
Boektotall (The Netherlands)
www.boektotaal.nl/en/
PVA
CMC
APG (France)
www.apg-reliure.com/fr/7-colles
Amazon or Blick (if you must)
Lineco PVA
Lineco Methyl Cellulose 1.5 Oz bottle
The tools and materials I use can be purchased from specialist suppliers and manufacturers in my suppliers list. If you are in Australia I have a limited range of items I supply by mail or by pickup from the bindery in Brisbane.
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@marcireale 2 жыл бұрын

Watching you stitch while answering questions was great!

@augustbinderybespokeatelie8092 2 жыл бұрын

You never fail to amaze with your wealth of knowledge and experience! Very good point on over-restoration, and I would definitely agree. With amateur binders, it seems to be because they don't know any better and don't have the proper experience. With professionals, it's because that's what they're taught. It's almost like that old saying, if you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed, but if you do read the newspaper you're misinformed. I've noticed though that this isn't necessarily exclusive to bookbinding, but rather plagues most of the professional restoration community in general. It's especially prevalent in the modern preservation of fine paintings, where it's very common to find professionals saturating a painting in numerous toxic chemicals. I'm still trying to figure out where this stuff comes from, and forgive me for saying so, but all I can conclude is that idiocy is generally a learned trait. By the way, really looking forward to your medieval binding series! Thanks so much for all that you do for the community, Darryn!

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

I think over restoration in the profession is mainly driven by book dealers, and maybe to a lesser extent institutions. And I totally understand that if you're a good bookbinder how can you turn down an important revenue stream. Maybe juggling is the only profession with less financial insecurity than bookbinding... But I hope a conversation starts about this before every pre-industrial revolution book has been "restored". Take care! Darryn

@roebucksruin 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for answering my question! I'm ramping up to make a small run of sketchbooks, and adding a conservation layer to the spine will be a great addition!

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

If you want to try it, then that's fine. But for a new book straight EVA would be my choice as it is stronger. Conservation layers are used in books that will get light use after the work is done. EVA can be reversed too, but most conservators don't like putting synthetic adhesives directly on old paper. DAS

@tildessmoo 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the clarification on EVA. As you may have noticed in my other comments, I have just enough knowledge of chemistry to get myself in trouble and an unfortunate habit of speculating based on that, but I'd always rather be corrected than go on thinking something incorrect! Given that I want my work (mediocre though it may be thus far) to last, I may get some EVA next time I need to buy more glue. Actually, I'm definitely going to get some EVA, since I have some 19th-century books I'm planning to make cases for as soon as I get to my new apartment. Poor things were read a bit too regularly by a previous owner and also suffered some minor water damage (or as minor as water damage can be for a book, anyway).

@pennythedomelady 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely video for we beginners. Thank you so much. I liked the Q & A format, as if one person has a question, there are usually many more with the same question.

@tavaroevanis8744 2 жыл бұрын

Good point about corn starch paste. It is rather weak unless you add PVA to it. I found paste made from "strong" wheat flour (for bread) combined with PVA is great for laminating boards.

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Wheat flour paste PVA mix is a powerful combination. DAS

@carolinelabbott2451 11 ай бұрын

I was wondering about corn flour myself, but I might just do a test batch with my glutenfree flour and oat flour and see if that works any better. Yeah, I know saying glutenfree is a facepalm moment but since I am coeliac I don't dare risk having wheat flour stored and used in my household. 😊

@katpaints Жыл бұрын

Until recent years on KZfaq videos, I had never heard anyone suggest that any of Elmer's glues were good for paper or that they were archival. I had heard that the wood glue would be the best for some reason. I have used School glue for sewing projects - temporarily holding fabric together with the expectation of it being washed out after stitching. I'm actually glad to hear that what I had heard was right. I grew up with Elmer's and PVA was a relative newcomer and not easily found and quite a bit more expensive in the States than other glues. The other thing that confuses me is the idea that masking tape should be integrated into projects. I have had many old projects with all kinds of tapes that failed miserably after some years and masking tape actually fell off from paper, crumbling glue and wrinkled tape. Drafting tape might be more archival, but it isn't as easy to find and is much more expensive. They are very different even though they look almost identical.

@arunavel0211 2 жыл бұрын

The beauty of your smile at the end

@nashvillain171 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Darryn, for this video and for addressing my question in it. This is an awesome series!

@subhankardutta8141 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this adhesive series

@ordinaryimages 2 жыл бұрын

I use 1/2" Leinuosen double sided tape; for both drummed bindings and tipped-in images, printed on luster photo papers.

@amandachapman4708 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very helpful video. The aspect of repetition was fine as it helped to emphasise the points you made.

@CucumbersSC 2 жыл бұрын

You got me to finally order a nicer glue online, haha. I don't like shopping online, especially for something like a big tub of (frost sensitive, in swedish winter) glue, but you are right about going to a more trustworthy/specialized supplier rather than hoping whatever I can find is good enough. At least I don't have to order internationally just for some glue, sigh.

@lautarotlacaelel2209 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for answering my question! I'll definitely try your advice on my next project :))

@polosandoval 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for answering my question on the different Jade PVA formulas. Cheers!

@GrandmaAbby1 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thank you for mentioning George Hill...been searching for a comprehensive bookbinding supplier here in Canada. Appreciate you sharing your bookbinding wisdom!

@Leo1406hongkong Жыл бұрын

Thank you Darryn.

@GingahSnapsArt 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful

@LouiseJannetta 2 жыл бұрын

thank you

@kardanadam2 2 жыл бұрын

Thx master

@raisavaz 2 жыл бұрын

162 likes and 0 dislikes! Good job!

@Levynite 2 жыл бұрын

FYI: I've just started bookbinding this year but all I have available is a giant bottle of Mod Podge an overseas cousin bought for me a few years back and I can report that it's now producing a sour smell so I'm assuming some form of acid has been produced over the years, especially in the tropics even though I've kept it on the shelf that receives cool currents from the air-conditioning. I've been using it to learn bookbinding since it still works fine but ugh, the odor!

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Probably lactic acid from microbial action. Where in the tropics?

@Levynite 2 жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Malaysia!

@mikesmith2905 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, I have found your videos inspirational. I am making up some books using A4 paper so it's going to have to be 'perfect bound' and I have some 'flexible PVA sold for book binding. The problem is the boards, unless I buy A4 and trim it down, and getting the dust jacket printed is going to involve a lot of waste. They won't be works of art but hopefully they will stand up long enough top be of use (they are instruction books for kids) and I only need a couple of dozen of them.

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Check out my video on double fan binding. I think that is what you mean by Perfect Binding, which is a specific machine binding process. Are you following some instructions? I’d recommend the square back Bradel binding and sewn boards binding. Good luck.

@mikesmith2905 2 жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Thanks, yest the double-fan binding is the way I'll go. Thanks for putting all this work in, it is appreciated.

@marilynbook4211 2 жыл бұрын

Totally enjoyed the video. One question for when you do your video on paste. I cook wheat starch paste and no matter how I do it, stove top, microwave, long cooking or short I always end up with a layer of water over it when it cools. I have tried covering it, not covering it. Is this normal?

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Totally normal. I'll take a note to talk about this when I do the next paste video. DAS

@LouiseJannetta 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing info many thanks. Do you please have any info on why cellulose paste is not considered archival? Also, do you have any info on Konnuaku powders? I understand that Konnuaku is a starch but I think it can be used as glue and also to give strength to papers. I also wanted to know if pure Konnyaku starch/powder is water-soluble after it has dried. Sorry to pick your brains and many thanks for your time. All the best Lou

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Archival is a funny word that doesn't really have a formal definition. But methyl cellulose does get used in conservation work. There is a wide range of MC, and conservators will only use specific ones commonly used in the bookbinding/conversation world (for instance the MC sold by Talas in the US or the CMC sold by Hewits in the UK). I think any starch can be made into an adhesive. But they don't all have the same mechanical properties. I don't know anything about Konnuaku but it will almost certainly reactivate with water after dried. This is considered a feature of starch adhesive - it's reversible. Wheat or rice flour starch is so readily available it is easier just to stick with that. Good luck. DAS

@LouiseJannetta 2 жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Thank you very much for taking the time to reply.

@Vicius_IASL Жыл бұрын

Making my first hardback book thanks to you. I chose a laminated paper for cover and now have to glue the endsheets. I made some tests and PVA does not stick to the laminated surface, it adheres but you can peel it of easyly without any damage. Have tried with liquid silicone, the bond looks strong until it dries then it's useless. So I don't know what to do if I can't find othe option maybe I'll use some contact cement or superglue at the end. Do you have any sugestions. Thankyou.

@DASBookbinding Жыл бұрын

Sorry, no. Exotic materials require exotic solutions. I try and avoid exotic:)

@Vicius_IASL Жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Thanks for answering. Yeah avoiding exotic is one way, but the cover looks pretty nice and I can print any design or picture I want on the laminated paper. Anyway I decided to use contact cement just on the border of the sheet that makes contact with the laminated paper and the rest just PVA, in order to avoid the diference in paper expansion I'm applying the PVA only to the cover hardboard and contac cement on the laminated paper and endsheet borders. I'm also making basically a 3 layered endsheet, one as part of the cover, some sort of inner cover, and as I'm making an all cardboard Z endsheet I'm pasting the waste sheet to isolate the final endsheet from the acidity of contact cement. Just the inner cover have contact cement all the other layers have PVA, hope this prevent any acid damage to reach the endsheet and the inside of the book. Time will tell. Thank you again.

@thinkingahead6750 Жыл бұрын

At 13:24 and later glycerine gets a mention. Laura Young in Bookbinding and Conservation mentions a Glycerine Paste being a mix of glycerine solution in wheat paste. She says it has the advantage of creating almost no pull. She does cover some items on the recipe but not the proportion of glycerine paste to wheat paste. Have you had any experience with this? I'll spend the rest of the evening listening to your other videos to find out if you have mentioned it elsewhere. 🙂

@DASBookbinding Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great observation. This was one of my first bookbinding books, but I don't reference it much these days, and I certainly don't remember Glycerine paste. I both love and hate these old recipes. They go against the modern conservation minded approach of using as few additives as possible. But they were often addressing a problem. The problem is that sometimes they didn't actually do what they were supposed to. Or there is just a better way to do it - now anyway. I'm going to have to do some experiments to see if I can make a less pull adhesive. I think a no-pull adhesive is a Unicorn. But I also suspect it is a double edged sword. If it is real it might be because those big hydroxyl groups inhibit the absorption of water into the paper. But paste is great because it is considered a penetrating adhesives, and maybe the hydroxyl groups will turn it into a surface adhesive. And we have a good surface adhesive that puts less water into paper called PVA - which doesn't go off. But the other advantage of Glycerine is that it inhibits microbial activity. Some potential for a fun and pointless KZfaq video. Oh, she does have the ratios at the back - "in the same proportions as above". My paste is generally 5 parts water to 1 part starch and I take this to mean add 1 part glycerine. And I'm assuming it is by volume.

@thinkingahead6750 Жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding I look forward to the video. It may start a new chapter in the history of Bookbinding.

@edwardgurney1694 2 жыл бұрын

I occasionally use glue sticks when box-making. I use the trick Darryn has shown where an oversized sheet of manila is glued to the underside of the tray bottom to give a second reference surface for gluing the tray sides to, and I've had bad experiences with the tray bottom warping from moisture introduced by the adhesive. I've started using a glue stick to do this lamination as it is very dry, and get far less warping. I've not been making boxes long enough to comment on the long term durability. Wrt box-making, does anyone have any specific recommendations for a 'thick' PVA available in the UK? I've been using regular PVA and the lower tack can be very frustrating when making boxes.

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Try putting some PVA in a container and leave the lid off but stir regularly to stop a skin forming. I find my glue pot gets fairly thick after a week or so and often add a bit of water to get it back to my preferred thickness.

@timmoline4487 11 ай бұрын

this may be a repeat of a previous question, if so I missed it. Can methyl cellulose be frozen after it has been mixed? Well of course it can be frozen, but will it be usable for book binding after it thaws?

@DASBookbinding 11 ай бұрын

Sorry, no idea. I'm sure MC powder is fine if it is accidentally frozen, unlike PVA. PVA is well know to not be usable after freezing and thus why Talas does not ship it in winter. And there is no reason to freeze MC once it is made up. It doesn't go off like starch paste. Mix some up and try? The change in PVA is obvious. I assume to would be the same with MC.

@kintrap5376 Жыл бұрын

What binding method are you demonstrating in the video? Thanks

@DASBookbinding Жыл бұрын

Laced on boards in 19th century English style studio.kzfaq.infoJ72Bhy2NwKA/edit I was making another version of this with false raised bands when my bindery was flooded last year. I'll get back to it eventually.

@kaiyueutc11 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have recommendation for some good EVA brand vs. PVA brand?

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Some details in the description. But Jade R or Evacon R for EVA and Jade 403 or PVA M289 for a PVA.

@pirroppi 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried binding loose pages? If so, what is the best way to do this (might you have a video)? I have a lot of loose single sheets that I would like to turn into a book. I have experimented with this using PVA but it falls apart so I'm not sure if it's possible or if I am just not using the right technique (I'm not very experienced).

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Look up the double fan binding. DAS

@pirroppi 2 жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Thank you, will do!

@Nanakinsz 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Mister Darryn, this might seem like the question you did NOT expect about adhesives, but ... where does one purchase EVA in the United States? Is it called something else? Even Talas did not have it. All Google found for me were UK and AU where it was sold.

@DASBookbinding 2 жыл бұрын

Jade-R is an EVA. On the Talas website it described as "multi polymer (PVA, EVA)".

@Nanakinsz 2 жыл бұрын

@@DASBookbinding Thank you! It had both in the parens ... and was so confusing!