Ha I just watched that episode today actually.

@@tendividedbysix4835 Times Arrow.

Was it not 500 years?

It was actually closer to 500 years. Late 19th to late 24th century.

500

Like a Tesla. This is the way.

Like he is someone avatar in a huge mmorpg lol

Lore wasn't the first android, and Juliana was so afraid of that occurring she refused to take Data with them because she didn't want to have her heart broken again if they had to deactivate him.

As I understood it, they did not know Lore was homocidal when they first deactivated him. But he was just a bit too perfect and human for the colonists comfort. Remember, Lor was the crafty sneaky ‘I am your friend’ type of bad guy. Lords real plans for the colonists didn’t come to light until after they had deactivated him and they had already built data. Lor was deactivated because he was too human and made the colonists nervous, not because he was secretly planning to sacrifice the entire colony to the crystalline entity.

Sammy Martin nobody ever said Soong was a “stable” genius

@@Krahazik lore was the most competent enemy in star trek, period. he even manipulated the borg. truly a force to be reckoned with. by the same token i believe data is the finest officer in starfleet if he were given a chance at command

Lmao

And possibly the Borg Queen.

@@stefangla6878 Which also means he fucked the entire collective. Which is...even more creepier.

I wondered about that function myself haha

@Lost Aquarian i was about to say that about data when he was drunk him and the lt mmmmm

Didn't someone close to Data mention that at one point Dr. Soong had to program a modesty algorithm to keep him from running around in the buff?

homework; research the etymology of _nitty gritty_ then laugh merrily at its liberal use on television by those who would be horrified if they knew what it meant 👍

@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html Implied here is a debunking of it's alleged racist origins as the term appears post slavery. Though with slang one can never definitively nail down it's earliest roots. Try reading up on Polari by the way if you want to get really confused about how language works. It's dizzying.

@@jackssmirkingrevenge9365 Well, nowadays meeting is according to the usage by CI, the etymology is, for what I can tell, pretty vague and contested. The only thing we know for sure that it appeared in in 1920's Jazz slang.

@Zerebrat Eightyseven And Yar. And probably that crewman he dated for a while.

teehee :)

Oh man forgot all about that, what episode was that again want to go back and rewatch.

@@sparkymist The Offspring.

X X ok awesome thanks!!!

That was one of the episodes that convinced me that Data already had emotions. Even if he is the only one that doesn't realize it. A truly emotionless logical android would have understood that Lal was beyond saving and simply given up. Data was attempting to save his child, and kept working long after he knew that she was dying when he couldn't do anything to stop it.

@@henrynorcrossii3363 And then he transferred Lal's memories into his own brain as a final way of saving her, in a fashion; don't forget that

I always referred to Lore as "Bad Data". Yeah, a weak joke, but there it is.

Cooling a real life satellite is quite a pain, since heat sinks normally transfer their heat to the air...

Then how did lore ?

It's a small nitpick, but I believe he said that he can survive in space for a limited time, but did not imply if the length would be short or long.

I would think his proximity to a heat source, like a star, would determine the length of time he/ they could spend in space. For instance, Pluto is a hell of a lot colder than Earth. If Lore were in deep interstellar space, then it could conceivably be a long time.

@@helifanodobezanozi7689 External heat from the star wouldn't necessarily be the issue. The problem is the ability to transfer heat away from high energy internal components before they become too hot and fail, which would be difficult without some way to dump heat into the atmosphere. Given that his head functioned in hibernation mode for 500 years separated from his body though, it's implied he could go into shutdown mode to prevent heat buildup. Shutting down in this way would be essentially going into a coma as his life could resume unhindered once he was awakened, which is likely what Lore did.

That's right. Not even The Mountain nor any of his Strongest Man competitors can achieve that. Even were your grip strong enough I think your fingertips would be ruined for a fortnight afterwards.

Data picks up a anvil bigger than what is shown in this video in the episode he loses his memories and is called Jaden.

Haha I watched that episode not too long ago. Fantastic!

He lifted that anvil effortlessly, like it was nothing more than a hollow plastic prop. Definitely superhuman.

Love that scene...

Shall we end this charade?

“No you can’t, don’t even try”

@@kellyweingart3692 "Shut up! As in CLOSE YOUR MOUTH!"

Ahhh, we already knew Riker was an idiot. Incidentally those trillions of operations, what was it, 20 trillion / second? That's already outstripped by modern multi-core processors, some PCs have more data processing power than Data has. Of course you could argue over what an "operation" is. I imagine they came up with 20 trillion by taking the fastest computers of the day, multiplying by a thousand, adding a couple of zeros, then doubling it. Took, what, a bit under 30 years for that to be obsoleted. The first PCs didn't even do a million ops / sec, now they're in the hundred trillions.

Cooling in space is a pain, as you cant use conduction/convection, only radiation. You actually dont freeze to death in a vacuum very quickly at all, just nothing to lose the heat to.

What and how would one go about this?

" It just works! " ~ Dr Noonien Soong

While that is true, Data's err, data storage capacity was cited as 800 quadrillion bits in The Measure of a Man. Which is indeed 100 Petabytes

Actually that is not true. 8 bits can store 256 possible states

I wonder if these quads represent a type of analog bits. Contrary to popular belief, analog processors are actually superior to digital processors with a reduced heat output. It's just that they are much more difficult to program for. While a digital Boolean is either yes or no, an analog Boolean is either mostly yes or mostly no. If we used an analog processor, but artificially limited it to a set number of positions arbitrarily, we could probably get the best of both worlds. We are seeing more of them in used today because of of better energy efficiency over digital. A lot of people think that Moore's law has ended, but it really hasn't. Moore's Law is not about the speed of a computer but rather the number of transistors. The number of transistors have been increasing, but more transistors means more heat so work is being done on optimization, but with analog region on chips we can continue to increase the transistor count. We're seeing this right now in drones because Energy Efficiency is extremely important there, but we'll see this trickle into the rest of computing over time.

8 quadrillion bits is a terabyte, not a petabyte

@@BlokenArrow No. 8 million bits is a megabyte. 8 billion bits is a gigabyte. 8 trillion bits is a terabyte, and 8 quadrillion bits is a petabyte. Thus 800 quadrillion bits is 100 petabytes

2 years later? 100,000 terabytes is a lot for a personal computer. But using 50 terabytes per person, physically or online per year prob very feasible now.

True, but the was the 80s when all that computing power would have been considered tremendous.

Would be even funnier if someone makes a general AI that works with exactly those specs.

And at least one episode where they accidentally let one through. He said, "it's me". I can't imagine the hassle of dealing with such continuity errors on set.

While Data could not "master" contractions, he _could use them_. I see that as that he just wasn't sure when they would sound most natural. Also, Lal had developed a better control over contractions. Since he has reintegrated her into his own subroutines, it is also plausible that by that time his own understanding of them had improved. Finally, since he and his surroundings have become so accustomed to his speech mostly not including them, he could've also ended up making the conscious decision to not use them. Perhaps similar in a way to Stephen Hawking choosing to stick with his outdated CallText voice.

Also Data couldn't whistle in the pilot episode. Data, while "possessed" by Dr. Ira Graves, in season 2 could whistle.

@@FiXato Not trying to troll your comment but it is clearly stated many times HE CAN NOT use contractions. In fact there is a scene where Riker determines that he's talking to a false data because he uses a contraction.

@@patrickmccurry1563 Especially with us "Trekkers" picking everything apart, haha.

Geordie was friend zoned because he was just to nice of a guy.

Geordie wasn't fully functional.

Hahaha you filthy mined nerd

@@jwilliams703 before or after the Lea Braums Incel incident?

@@jwilliams703 or the time he used a woman's personal logs to try and force a romantic connection....

Kind of makes one wonder how the transporter can do what it does without killing Data. (Although arguably, every time anyone or anything is transported, the original is effectively destroyed during matter-energy conversion, and a fresh copy is recreated during reconversion from energy to matter on the other end.) The fact that the transporter can even *flawlessly* transport a human body and brain (with very occasional failures) is astounding!

It would probably be like how Seven of Nine and the Doctor can access large amounts of information from databases

I think it would still depend on design philosophy. Data's reclusive, eccentric designer preferred books, whereas we see that Star Trek has long predicted wireless interconnectivity with the PADDs and tricorders being noted Federation examples of the technology, and with the Borg in general being a wirelessly connected species.

and Lor's was type L as I recall

That was awesome. They did the Klingon version of arm wrestling too and he stomped that guy and went right back to his book.

7:03 The picture to the bottom left of the diagram shows that he didn't forget about the scene.

@@The.Breakfast.Burrito party pooper

I remember Creatures. Loved that game.

@@EnDSchultz1 That's actually why I still run Windows 9X in a virtual machine, since it's the only way to play it with ALL genetics files and community add-ons is. One problem with the drive system though is that if all needs are met creatures will spend generations in one area. Then again, the same could be said for humans.

Well the federation has always had problems in AI development.

@@TymersRealm There were a few isolated incidents most notably, the M-5 supercomputer, but the problem with it was that its central processor was modeled after the neurological profile of its creator who was mentally unstable to say the least. Replicating the Soong type android should be relatively simple in the TNG era. Transporter, replicator, and holographic technology would make such a task relatively easy. Replicator technology shares the same basic technological principle as a transporter as it is an energy/matter conversion system. Data has been successfully transported on numerous occasions and his transporter patterns are on file. That means that the exact composition of his constituent parts and component materials are on file as he can be successfully disassembled and reassembled at the sub-molecular level. As far as AI is concerned, they know how to make holographic representations of people who possess a faximily of the full mental/emotional spectrum. With the advent of replicator and holographic technology, there is no in universe reason why anything that can be transported can't also be replicated. They can't replicate a positronic brain because tech tech plot service quantum.

@@mikevasquez1103 the problem is the scratch built part. Processing is easy its writing the code for the mind. Take into account the only reason the robots in "Quality of life" were as intelligent as Data is because they had self repair systems for their positronic brains and self built their mental pathways. The EMH and its derivatives were mental scans of existing brains or based off of scripts( like Moriarty).

@@barrybend7189 No it's really not as they have built multiple AI units from scratch and custom parts become irrelevant when you can literally convert energy into matter. There is no in universe reason why they can't mass produce the soong type android.

@@mikevasquez1103 no I'm saying Soonge made and grew what can be considered human from scratch. Starfleet never attempted to make their own human intelligence. EMH had operational restrictions and holoprogram AI were very simple in comparison to the EMH( unless glitches and continued operations be damned). Data did not have any Human derived architecture in his positronic brain. Think how Doctor Light in Megaman built X. Without assistance or medical scans made a mind equal to humans.

"Our relationship was.... special."

It was supposed to be synthetic skin use for medical grafts.

@XeroEX ...pretty sure the borg knew how to grow skin at that point. But funny thought! 😂

Same here, data ain't special

There are books that explore the wider world of Data learning about other AI in the Trek universe, and man that book is fantastic. Sadly, I do not remember the title of the book.

Immortal Coil

The episodes are "What Little Girls Are Made Of and "I,Mudd".

I'm pretty sure Lore has been deactivated so my guess is either it was The Borg like you said or it was Armus.

It was Tasha Yar because she said to Data when she'd recovered "It! Never! Happened!" Although I got the implication that she shagged half the crew while she was afflicted.

Youngcrane or maybe the Borg queen, she is still probably mad data and Picard fuck her up.

or someone who wants standard measurements also.

@@TheYoungcrane , that doesn't happen until several hundred yrs from now so.......maybe?

In part, but I also recognised the composition of this skull from "The Chase".

Maybe or maybe not, but when we've got Doom running on toasters these days, I guarantee you that he has that somewhere in there.

@ TheAtheistPaladin No, the real question is, can he run Trespasser?

Thank you👍

Interesting thing of note, that even I didn't know, one of the writers was Steve Gerber, better known for Howard the Duck. The comic, not the movie.

In that episode (called "The Naked Now", I think) I tend to agree with you. If I recall the production schedule for TNG at the time was so tight that they resorted to re-using "The Naked Time" from TOS with minor tweaks. First seasons are hard for series, so I don't blame them too much. Different writers for different episodes can cause continuity errors, and needing to work around someone or something. How many times do the transporters fail so they can't be used to save everyone, right away? I try to understand the limitations of budget and time and just enjoy the show anyway. :) It may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think Data was intoxicated the same way the organics were. Instead, he may have appeared drunk because his higher functions were receiving corrupted information. He was able to perform tasks like inserting the isolinear chips when told to (and yes, helping Tasha when she asked him), but his judgement was impaired. It could even have been something like him being programmed to be "drunk" under the proper conditions.

I'm sure Data was a headache for a great deal of writers. He wasn't the only thing writers had to work around though. Just think of how many episodes would be over immediately or have absolutely no danger involved if the transporters and warp core ejection systems weren't always going offline? A good chunk of many episode writings had to involve how to invent a new McGuffin to make the obvious solution unavailable. I think *at least once* we should have seen them do a successful warp core ejection and explosion, to prove to the audience that it wasn't a joke of a safety measure, considering just how dangerous a damaged warp core was, time and time again.

@@virt1one Voyager did a real warp core ejection and recovery at least twice. Insurrection did a core ejection and detonation against the son'a subspace weapon.

Not me. Do you demand the working specs of your friends. :-)

There was a book that I read about his body being able to repair through the use of nanobots in his cooling fluid.

@@ThomasPlatt1975 Cool. Sorta like the Borg. Thanks Thomas.😁😁

It was Star trek the next generation the light fantastic

@@ThomasPlatt1975 Thanks I'll check it out.

S6. Birthright p1

That's painfully dumb though. His observed exertions would require him to blast out super heated gas to have any real effect of cooling. And obviously would render him quickly "dead" in a vacuum.

Why stop there? Use the replicator system to make more Data. They shouldn’t have to know how Data works to replicate him molecule by molecule. And if the replicated Data doesn’t have the spark of life, they could still dissect the copy for study.

@@maranscandy9350 That's a very good point, especially since Transporters can duplicate humans and even merge two entirely different species into a single coherent consciousness despite replicators not being able to. It should be possible to intentionally create a transporter "accident" for a clone army or to replicate Data perfectly. If each one is intended to be unique, they could use the pattern buffers to filter out the Data clone's neural connections effectively resetting the copy to factory settings.

Replicators have some limitations: 1. copies made by replicators are known to create "single bit errors" that are detectable. You can't really make an exact copy, down to the molecular level. replicators average things out. If you replicate a block of copper, you will get an identical looking block of copper, probably effectively a crystal, that lacks single-atom defects in the original (yes, metal crystal, go look up jet turbine blade manufacture) 2. replicated items are usually without power and must be charged. this is demonstrated in STTNG as well as in DS9. Remember those phaser pucks that appeared in all the food replicators when tarac-nor's computer came back to life? It materialized the puck, THEN dumped in the energy to charge it. And in STTNG where they were examining a federation phaser trying to prove it was a fake, they said it had to be *charged*, and it was firing too efficiently and must have been charged by a romulan power source. 3. similar to 1/2, the synapse configuration in data's positronic matrix probably cannot be replicated. Soon's wifedroid said that "creating a stable positronic matrix is VERY tricky". Clearly if they could have just replicated LOR's matrix they would have done so. It looks like it has to be hand-made. Again, Data would have replicated his to make Lal if that had been an option. 4. I also vaguely recall an episode where an isolinear chip or memory module or something like that was studied and determined to be a fake, not because the chip itself could be proven a fake, but that the energy signature on the recording also contained 'single bit errors', and when the computer was asked what the source was, it said "replication". In that case the modules WORKED fine, but were clearly not *identical*, at an atomic level. As for transporters, there have been many examples of something being duplicated, merged, or separated via a transporter, but those cases were always "extreme, unreproducible, freak accident" type situations or something extremely specific or campy. (like de-aging polaski using a hair follicle) As a general rule, you can't (reliably) use a transporter to make an exact copy of something. I suspect this is because making the pattern destroys the original, and making the copy (at the destination) destroys the pattern. The replicators contain a "Heisenberg compensator", but technically that's not required. You only need that IF you are trying to create a copy. Without that, copies are not ok, but teleportation IS ok. You *can* make an exact copy, so long as making the copy destroys the original. (though how you're going to get it down to the planet without a receiving pad to build the copy, that's the real magic!) So again, no using the transporter to clone Data. IMHO if they wanted to be consistent they shouldn't have included the Heisenberg compensator at all, because that just suggests you CAN use the transporter to make copies, and that would have broken SO many episodes....