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During the Excision mission, literally EVERYONE in the lobby died to The Witness' first attack, lmao

You could tell throughout the game through the writing and voice performance that Cayde was not entirely comfortable being brought back. very well done

In orbit straight up "reviewing it". and by "it", haha, well. Let's justr say. The shapes

I think what made Targe’s death more impactful was 1) he was a very well voiced character for the small time we knew him, 2) He was tied to a character we knew personally for a very long time, and 3) We got to see just how much it affected said character and seeing how much him messing up affected him. There’s actual stakes in this story and real character development that we haven’t seen in a long time in an expansion.

One thing I gotta call out is that I absolutely loved the voice acting for the dissenters, and the effects are really cool to me too

Bungie dug their own graves so deep that they managed to strike gold.

Bungie buffs shatter dmg Players: Yay, a little love for stasis Stasis subjugator: *PREPARE THYSELF*

Early response to cayde, he felt like a guy who WAS funny as opposed to constantly TRYING to be funny

I can’t tell you how happy I am that they have stuck the landing with TFS. It has been such an amazing love letter to the world of Destiny, and I can’t wait to see how they continue the story

I love that you included the part where Jez killed himself to make the banner at the bottom of the screen go away. Classic.

Honestly, forgetting the whole "bungie's best work comes when their backs are against the wall", I'm just glad it was good. Better than good actually. It maybe wasn't the perfect conclusion but it was damn good.

Me actually looking forward to replaying the campaign with my other characters is WILD

I definitely felt like Final Shape's story doesn't really start until we find Zavala's house. That was one of the most visually striking environments in the Pale Heart despite its simplicity, especially with the Witness's head smoke rising from the chimney. And that's when we transition from finding the Vanguard to the real emotional conflict and core of the story, with Zavala's wavering faith and how everyone else struggles with that and with their own faith in the Traveler. Plus that's when we start to get the cool zones we didn't see as much of in the marketing, liel you said.

I literally cancelled my pre-order and stopped playing when the vibes were at the lowest point during Lightfall, and the Bungie layoffs hit. I just moved on. Then people were saying how great Into the Light was, so I decided to try. That saved the game for a lot of people I think. And thankfully we got to experience The Final Shape because it is incredible.

21:52 - "Single guardians in your area looking for someone to do Dual Destinies with"

“The campaign wasn’t that hard” Meanwhile I wiped about 5 times per mission

I still imagine Calus being a raid boss with that machine gun he had it would’ve actually made a good boss encounter where he goes from machine gun to melee it would’ve made such a good raid boss but hey at least they learnt their lesson with the witness

Zavala having an entire character regression rather than a character arc upset me a little bit, but once I saw where they were going with it I felt better about it. We did rehash a lot of shit we spent season of the haunted fixing. I guess it got fixed in the end anyway so no complaints really

I definitely got emotional at the end. This game, this community and content creators like yourself have played a huge part over these 10 years and have held me together in some of my darkest times. So yeah I'm not afraid to say there might have been some tears.

I’m glad datto also is programmed to throw tangles at the floor knowing damn well you aren’t getting woven mail.

MY IMPRESSION AND REVIEW HAS COME

I believe the final shape, "shaped" up to everything we all wanted. Major W.

Being in a call with people during the final final mission and everyone just muting mics for 10 minutes and watching the cutscenes was one of the most weirdly beautiful moments of playing Destiny I have ever had. I was in a call with 2 friends that I have played destiny with since release and seeing the 3 of us sat on the ship looking down at the traveller was amazing.

The fact that public sentiment had to hit absolute rock bottom before Bungie finally listened to what players ACTUALLY wanted has me beyond hesitant to jump back it, because their leadership has not changed and I can't be confident that they won't just run it back into the ground again.

My only gripe with TFS have been the bugs but those will get ironed out eventually. They earned this W.

The Marketing Zoneᵀᴹ was the bane of The Fina Shape's existence.

14:25 My thought on this point is that since, story wise, the guardian went in alone or with their fireteam as the spearhead you shouldn't be seeing other guardians roaming around, so everything was balanced with 1-3 players in mind.

"out of your comfort zone" I love leaving my comfort zone. I hate stepping into a casual pvp playlist and getting turbo blitzed the moment Im on someone's screen for a frame

i am happy to see datto enjoying final shape. Its great to see the community in an overall positive mood. for me its a 10/10, but im prone to see stuff more positive then others. But DAMN, the cutscenes, the one when zavala went into the darkness realm even tho hes told not to THAT SCENE is a banger. probably the best scene in the entire franchise to me.

Honorable mention to the additional development point that, although it probably surprised no one, Crow finally became Hunter Vanguard. I know he's been a very divisive character but I have really enjoyed his redemption arc, especially after getting his memories back, and his development in this story (especially during the Still Hunt mission) solidified it for me. To me, he represents the storytelling motive that everyone can (to a certain extent) choose their own fate and actions regardless of how fate or other people have tried to bend and push us in one direction or another, and I love that.

I agree with the trailer/marketing problem. Bungie can be completely justifiably blamed for that because they chose to show way too much. I avoided that experience because I dodged almost all of the trailers save for the prismatic preview and the first initial alpha preview. But Bungie put all that other stuff in the open for people to see, so while I'd have encouraged not watching trailers, you can't blame people for seeing them, and that's going to affect your experience with the story.

Honestly I feel part of the reason TFS is so good is because Bungie got creative, the weapons (exotic and even legendary), prismatic, missions, hell even just patrol and quest systems stuff Bungie really just tried to be creative and innovative in game and I think it really payed off. Also nice Anthony Fantano scoring scheme

21:30 I almost started dying thinking he was about to say therapy lmfao

I think from this point you can clearly state that the themes of destiny are the importance of the diversity of life, the power of collective action against fear and terror, and the meaning of life being found in the ability to makes ones fate. I think those are very beautiful themes to write a story about and I think Bungie kinda nailed this ending

I think it's funny that no one has mentioned the debuff in the microcosm missions is just the Skolas debuff but with resonance visual effects.

Crucible and Gambit should have their own Pathfinder.

Datto just wanted to say I appreciated your extensive segment on LFG resources for Dual Destiny. I feel like most people I see just say things along the lines of "lol how have you played for 10 years and don't have friends" or "suck it up and LFG and stop asking for everything handed to you." It's just not a productive or helpful way to help, so I much appreciated your more tactful list of means for people to partake and not be afraid.

One of the best moments in the story for me was Cayde and Ikora talking about Zavala and how he feels grief but then the Witness interrupts with " Not grief, Shame. "

Datto you have no idea how much I appreciate that “Flashbang inc” before hitting me with a white screen. Everyone should do that omg

Imo there are still many questions. And the biggest 1 to me is: What happened to the veil? From lightfall haven't heard a word about it.

A comment on Legendary Solo. As someone who did that for the entire campaign, I think it was actually easier in the later 3 missions (you know the three). I got stuck on them at one point, tried a team of 3, and then immediately noticed how much harder everything hit. After a few failed attempts I went back to solo and cleared after a few more solo attempts.

Haha my favorite part of TFS was when Zavala kept yelling at Ikora, felt like I was reliving my parents divorce all over again. All that therapy didn’t help after all 10/10 game

Whoever does the voice for Zavalas ghost did a fantastic job. Targe was so great in that dissent mission.

Big agree on Pathfinder needing its own key-bind or even just move the button to the Quest tab. Its cumbersome to get to it, especially if you know you completed the last node needed to reset the path Mid-Mission.

22:45, I had a buddy who was upset that it didn't have a solo option. got a bit heated. then he found someone to run through it with and did a 180. Thinks it's an awesome experience. Coop Focus and the Dual destiny missions have been my favorite things to come out of the expansion. It was so much fun to coordinate the mechanics with friends to give a little extra challenge. REALLY hope Bungie does more like this in the future.

Good to see that you were able to get your lemon juice, bread and mandarins checked off the list.

despite its tedium, i liked the pacing of the first half. it felt like a natural and welcome respite where we were all trying to get our bearings, almost with the implicit assertion that even with our dire circumstances, we’re still nothing without allies and a solid plan. in contrast, i was really disappointed at the lack of a major character death in this expansion; i refuse to count Wish-Cayde as a true death. that’s one thing that i believe the franchise could use more of, as a reminder of the power we’re supposedly facing. the cutscene at the beginning with the final shape temporarily taking place did a great job to set up stakes, but i really think a major character death would’ve sealed it.

The main lesson from TFS was: we just need the studio to be on a apocalipsis level crisis for them to make the best that they can do and not the bare minimun. Hopefully we can start getting rid off of the apocalipsis requirement

I love theneedledrop references

I find that some of the choices of prismatic options actually removed some strategies. Take hunters for example. Want to run a melee build? Combination blow/strand melee. Grenade damage? you have the all powerful… magnetic grenade. It just feels like the subclass designed around working with literally ANY build is missing pieces to make it a “any strategy works” build.

Speaking of Titans not being that good, the best Titan super for damage is Behemoth if the shatter is good. The best burst damage super is Twilight Arsenal, which is just barely weaker than Nova. HOWEVER, the worst super is thundercrash (Base T-Crash mainly). T-Crash actually does less damage than normal Still Hunt with 2 surges.

RIP DattoDoesDrag. Peak was almost on the horizon.

Honestly most people LFG'ing nowadays are all in the same boat, of just looking for chill dudes to play with. If you really do run into a nightmare group/person, just leave. Nothin stopping you!

28:50 is what Bungie were talking about on GDC "Don't overdeliver - you are creating patterns!"

I love Datto taking time to tease Jez for never having dialog on.

The self burn during the ad - you're the best, Datto FWIW, Pathfinder is awesome. I love it. The best part is you complete things ahead of when you unlock them. So as you unlock nodes, things auto-complete

It's funny because besides Lightfall last year, I had the most fun this last year. Played more than ever and Final Shape was the cherry on top

My complaints (aside from servers) were as follows The enemies that REQUIRE prismatic to beat were quite annoying if I wanted to use anything aside from Prismatic. I know you CAN as long as you activate it inside the pool of light, but still. Zavala's "arc": It felt like a re-tread of the season of Haunted Arc to an extent and his attitude being dark/defeatist seemed to come out of nowhere given he hasn't been present in the story since Lightfall. That and, despite the fact Zavala was RIGHT to look to the statues for answers, he and everyone acts like he did something wrong later. I know his ghost dies as a result of his actions but still, the interaction just left an odd taste in my mouth. Pace was also an issue just like Datto said, felt like we were dragging our feet at the start (mainly for Zavala's arc that I didn't like) only to sprint towards the end. Like when I realized the mission I was playing was The Fight with the Witness, I was legit taken back thinking I missed a mission or two.

Re: Partnered Exotic quest. The perspective I'm NOT seeing covered by D2 media creators is those people that live in regions, such as Europe or Asia, where peopel mostly speak different languages. Even from Australia, I am surrounded by players that only speak Japanese, Chinese or Korean.

PHP is pathfinder done well imo. It can be done passively as your messing around in the pale heart however if you want you can be active with it as well and pretty much speed run it and resetting it multiple times in a single day. It has a great level of flexibility to it’s required level of engagement

Only thing I’ll say about campaign difficulty is that the one mission with all the fallen traps was just a bit much. I don’t mind traps and even a lot of them but there were too many of them for them to do that much damage and be in relatively difficult spots to hit.

I think it's funny that Ikora (who has always been infamous for being unimportant despite her important status in game) still got the least amount of character development/focus in the finale. Crow got to meet Cayde face to face, gave his apology to reconcile his mistakes as Uldren and fought alongside him which ultimately ended with Cayde officially passing the torch to Crow to be the new Hunter Vanguard. Zavala dealt with his crumbling faith in the Light as he was reminded of his family and everything else taken from him in service to the Traveller which gave him back nothing but silence. He lost Targe who sacrificed himself to keep Zavala from giving in to The Witness. And he eventually came to accept that Darkness was a force to be controlled rather than one that should only be avoided/destroyed when he voluntarily asked to be taught how to weild stasis after years of unwavering devotion to the light. Meanwhile, we went to look for Ikora only to find her meditating in vain 2 feet away from where we were fighting. She had a brief moment with Cayde like everyone else (funny enough, hers was the only one to take place in game rather than a fully rendered cutscene). Then she just kinda tagged along to be an extra supporting character to Zavala's development and the story alongside Crow, Cayde and the Ghosts. Even our own ghost and Targe had bigger roles than Ikora. Unless I'm forgetting something, she didn't have any highlighted moments of change, struggle or triumph that was unique to her alone... At lease none with an impact as lasting/strong as the ones Crow, Zavala and the ghosts went through.

I’m glad I now have an incentive to play strikes, gambit, and crucible with the pathfinder. The only thing I don’t like, is how some of the objectives are set up. I’m stuck at getting void final blows in pvp or taken kills in strikes. It’s a slight pain in the ass because I don’t have much good void gear that I like for PvP, and that there are very few strikes with taken in them.

10:16 Finally finally the Final Shape

I think one of my biggest negatives is that the Khvostov quest is so boring and tedious. I cannot explain how much I hate walking around looking for objects to scan, and how the cyst missions really out stayed their welcome.

I don't want to talk to anyone, because I just don't want to...But that doesn't make the mission bad, its an amazing mission with interesting mechanics and I had to remember what a clock looks like. I do wish the class item drops from Pale Heart exploring was more consistent though, like a guaranteed one after a Tier 3/boss completion, etc.

Seeing Jez jump off was so hilarious to me 2:02

I didn’t play in the raid race, but I watched a lot of it, learned some mechs, and learned witness attack patterns. I would call out to myself (I’m a solo player) and just watch half my team get obliterated by the witness attacks lol

I would honestly be surprised if The Final Shape doesn’t at least get recognized at the next Game Awards. Bungie deserves something good for pulling this off.

20:30 I'll be honest. My complaint with Dual Destinies isn't really the co-op aspect but the timer. I really would've preferred a traditional darkness zone or maybe even revive tokens if it meant being able to take our time and not having to worry about completely restarting on a pretty long mission. Totally a skill issue on the end of myself and my old man, but that aside the mission itself is cool

I was full-on crying after the final cutscenes from Excision. Our Ghost dying, then Cayde’s sacrifice to bring him back… Man. That felt like getting my heart ripped out. It was so well written and it was very well executed.

My problem with Dual Destiny is actually the opposite, it only allowing 2 players is frustrating. I have a fireteam of 3 people who beat the entire campaign together, and when we went to do that quest it was restricted to only 2 people, which literally no other quest or mission in the entire game has done before. Very annoying.

i really like dual destiny but if i didnt have a brother who also played i probably wouldnt be able to do it, since my computer doesnt recognize my microphone (had to call my brother for it). not that im unwilling to work with others, its more like i cant communicate other than text. which would be fine, except the last encounters clock gives so little time.

One thing I can say for certain is that the focused campaign missions, while cool, missed the mark for me fairly hard, not because I dislike the gimmicks or forced multiplayer, but because the first mission is EASILY the most fun, because you don't know what your getting into and that learning curve of actual mechanical intricacies in a story mission is so damn hype, and then the other 2 missions just don't do anything different, it's the same stuff again, and it feels like a missed opportunity to really mix some shit up. Hell, the witness fight felt the MOST disappointing just because I was anticipating so much more to make it really pop, and it just fell flat as hell when they could have really cranked up the difficulty of forcing that reaction out of the witness. Even the shield walk could have been spiced up, maybe some enemies to kill to drop barriers to progression or something.

The only gripe I have with TFS is the fact that they nerfed banner of war & synthoceps. Only for Hunters to absolutely smash what the Titan was capable of before the nerf. Prismatic is really good! But Titan need a decent burst damage super outside of T-Crash.

Honestly while I wasn’t the biggest fan of getting the Vanguard back together, it felt nostalgic to D2’s Red War Campaign, which to me was a good time because of things out of the game in my life so I look back at it fondly.

You said it yourself, u went with a fully kitted team, solo kicks your damn teeth in.

blud coming with the Maury Povich reference ICANT

cooking like this is what causes the lulls that preceded it, dev time, polish time, and unique ideas are highly funneled into their big project and the lead up gets left with the scraps

The Final Opinion

I got in within 30 mins and played fine for 6 hours but i must have been extrmely lucky.

Imo I had such a poor time with the starter titan prismatic build. It felt like no matter how I tried to build craft with it, nothing worked for me. The starter warlock build, on the other hand, is just straight bonkers and it's not even close

Now we need dattos thoughts on the balancing of titans in the endgame (it's dire)

Pathfinder is alright, until you're cornered by two options that are both gambit to move forward.

"What if they made a two person raid?" You mean Root of Nightmares?

I definitely cried during that ending finale. I remember being super hyped up for destiny back when all we knew about it was that it was "from the creators of halo." I even still have the framed poster from pre ordering d1 back then. Even though I've only played it on and off throughout its lifespan, it's always been important to me. That ending was emotional. It was a great culmination of everything up to this point with this franchise. I loved it.

every time you get an ad read all i can imagine is the raid explanation music

21:08 I will say, the mission is fine but this isn't true. It takes like an hour to farm for the exotic class item in patrol, maybe less and that's if you're just speed running, not even bothering with overthrow itself but just spamming chests and moving through each zone. It desperately needs a drop rate increase because it's awful right now.

The biggest problem with dual destiny problem for me is not the "not solo", but unlocking this mission as a team to them doing this as a duo. If the mission was unlocked with a solo mission and had lfg after it it would be better

the subtle jab at Jez lmao

You know what, maybe I’ll think for myself from now on Datto

The thing that’s bothered me most about the dual destiny thing (apart from the fact I’ve seen more people say if you only play solo then you’re the problem, than I have seen complain about having to do it solo) is that I’m not asking for the activity to change, it is that I want one of the main selling points of the dlc to be available to everyone. I saw a sentiment of “we won’t get anything this interesting again because people want to be able to do it solo”, no I want to be able to get the class item because it’s 1/3 the reason I bought the fucking dlc, the mission would be fine if it had any other reward, as dungeons and raids have already been for the last 5 years for me

I liked the class item mission but trying to get a new class item afterwards is my biggest gripe with it. If the drop rate from chests was just a little bit higher i would have zero complaints with Final Shape

Gee the content creators loved everything who could have guessed

Dual Destiny's themes are literally meant to be played with another person. It's the whole point

The entire complaint about Titans and their prevalence in the day-one raid can be debunked when you point out that the numbers used were for final boss encounter clears, which leaned HEAVILY toward Hunters because of Still Hunt and Nighthawk combined with the tight final stand window. For every other encounter of the raid, there were just as many Titans as any other class and they were immensely useful as triple Consecration clears entire rooms in the first encounter.

My God, what a throwback seeing Datto using his go-figure again. I love it!

Yeah I am not playing Gambit or Crucible for pathfinder. Not doing extra credit homework. Nice try Bungo

The day one dlc drop issues were so bad that me and my friends missed like 3 cutscenes from being kicked at the end of missions, so we thought the story was erratic.