Honestly, Ahsoka and Qui Gon Jinn are the epitome of what a Jedi should be.

Ashoka just doesn’t believe in the Jedi order she still believes in the light side of the force. I don’t know why people think she’s a Grey Jedi.

To use a body analogy, the light side is like your immune system, keeping things in balance and healthy. It should only act in defense and if it gets too aggressive it can do harm while trying to do good.

Remember, Grogu isn’t the only one to use force choke. Luke too used it in “Jedi” So did Anakin in the Clone Wars multiple times.

"Acting out of anger offers quick results but it's a trap" -Kanan Jarrus

Thor: the darkside doesn't offer more power Sheev: but it does offer... UNLIMITED POWER

Again Filoni shows why he is George's successor. His description of the balance is exactly what Lucas was explaining all these years ago.

Ahsoka may not be a Jedi but she is pure light. She even has The Daughters life essence.

I feel balance isn’t using both, but more of accepting that the dark will always exist and staying aware of its presence without using it

In the game Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR) 2, there was an item called Gray Jedi Robes. The item description always summed up my view of Gray Jedi pretty perfectly. "Gray Jedi are those who, though having completed the teachings of the Jedi, operate independently and outside of the Jedi Council. They are typically seen as misguided, though they have not necessarily succumbed to the dark side." It was a matter of affiliation, not use of the dark side, and I honestly thought this was a great idea. In this sense, Ahsoka is a Gray Jedi because she operates outside the order and the council's authority, but she is simultaneously a paragon of what a Jedi should be. And honestly, I'm so happy we're not going down the line of trying to justify someone "combining" the light and dark sides of the force.

What's funny is that even in Legends, "gray Jedi" was never really a thing. The closest thing we get is Jolee Bindo saying "I see more gray than light or dark."

Imagine if Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni wrote and directed the Sequels.

When i asked a friend what the grey knights were, they explained that they were light side users without the religious/monk aspect, and thats how i always thought of it.

I’ve been saying this for sooo long!!! Ahsoka is the epitome of what a Jedi should be. The line “I am no Jedi” got taken wayyyyy out of context by so many people.

The dark side is like an addiction, as soon as you start down the path it consumes you. Similarly to an addiction you can overcome it, but only those who really commit themselves do. There is no middle ground

Dave Faloni is the way and should have been the way from the beginning.

Calling Ahsoka a Grey Jedi is really about the fact she never "officially" went back to the Jedi Order as an order. But that's like saying Harry Potter isn't a wizard because he never graduated Hogwarts (which he didn't).

As Obi Wan said at the end of Revenge of the Sith "It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. That you would bring balance to the force not leave it in darkness." If a balanced force is grey, equal parts light and dark, then why is destroying the Sith required to bring balance to the force?

I mean... The Grey Jedi was never really a thing in Star Wars Canon or Legends.

Well if we're using the drug Concept. Then the Grey Jedi thinking could be like "We should stay sober mostly buy if we're really hurt, we could take some alcohol to numb the pain"

Someone: "Ahsoka is a Grey Jedi" Everyone else: "That's not how the Force works and is offensive to the character"

Finally someone explains why grey Jedi do not exist

Dave Filoni should be the true leader of Lucasfilm, not Darth Kennedis.

If they are going to do an Ashoka series, I would like to see her interacting with Luke (especially if it's in between episodes 6 and 7). I would love to see her reaction to learning who he is (if she doesn't know already), and her learning of how her old master redeemed himself at the end of episode VI. However, I would not want her to join Luke's Jedi, as it goes against her character development. Instead, it would be interesting to see her help Luke in indirect ways (maybe guiding younglings to him thanks to her covert ops skillsets she developed as Fulcrum or her being the one who helped Lucke refine his lightsaber skills later on in life? who knows, but there's a lot of potential in their interactions).

Huh, I never really applied the term "Grey Jedi" to simply being a practitioner of Light and Dark. To me, a Grey Jedi was somewhat more analytical of situations without relying on the Jedi Code for the answers, sometimes even going against it if it would ultimately lead to doing the right thing. Well, without leaving wanton destruction in your wake, obviously.

However, I feel that the very concept of a "Grey Jedi" could be incredibly interesting as it would be less about balancing the dark and the light, but living on this razor thin edge. Not about striking a balance, but always being on the precipitate of falling deeply into the Dark. You wouldn't really be able to exist in the "Grey" permanently. It would always be a transitional period marked by immense struggle.

Yeah I've figured for a while Ahsokas arc will make her a Jedi again. She'll be like Qui-Gon, understanding the difference between controlling emotions and cutting off emotions.

It would be an interesting plot point if Ahsoka and Luke encountered self proclaimed Grey Jedi, who thought they could bring balance by embracing both sides of the force, but would ultimately succumb to to temptation of the dark side. That would essentially bring this discussion into the star wars story while demonstrating how the Force actually works. And not just in a monologue, but through a short story arc that brings forward both ideas and shows which one actually works and makes a convincing argument why.

I’ve always felt a grey Jedi is next to someone calling themselves a functional alcoholic

"Remember, abilities are not inherently good or evil. It's how you use them." -Kyle Katarn, Jedi Academy Honestly, I found the "grey Jedi" thing to have nothing to do the powers one weilds, but the choices one makes. So when people say preper grey jedi, it sounds like they don't want to be bad but don't want to be a part of the Jedi... idk just my thoughts.

Videos like this are added to my playlist called “Understanding Star Wars,” in which I collect videos that make an objective understanding on the morality and truth of the nature of the Force within the fictional universe of Star Wars. I think it’s important to understand Lucas’s intentions when he was designing the narrative framework of Star Wars and how the Force is an active part of it in order to distinguish good or serviceable Star Wars from terrible and inconsistent Star Wars such as the sequels. No surprise then that your videos make up a bulk of that playlist. Even though I know it’s only your perspective on the lore, the way you deliver your opinion, which is always based on evidence, quotes, and facts about and from the development of Star Wars, I perceive it as the true and honest way to perceive the Force and the message of Star Wars as a whole. I wanted to let you know that because I honestly believe there is some moral objectivity in Star Wars expressed within the lessons it teaches. And without someone like Dave Filoni to understand the moral principles of Star Wars and lead the franchise, the story as a whole will become thematically and morally inconsistent, and thus tarnish the attractiveness and imagination of the series, something the Sequels did because of the incompetent writing and management behind them. So the fact that you make these kinds of videos that explores and declares the nature of the Force as a means for serving the lessons and morals within the narrative is greatly appreciated by me, and I ask that you continue to do so because I’m convinced they’re important to understanding why so many fans adore the universe in the first place. That is, these videos reveal the hidden truths of Star Wars that reflect the truths of human nature in reality, thus revealing why Star Wars is so beloved because it’s relatable.

Watching his career with great interest

What I've always said; not being a Jedi (in reference to Ahsoka) doesn't mean her ideals and philophies are any different. She's simply what The Jedi SHOULD be

I always love these deeper looks into characters. I agree completely.

This really changed how I viewed The Force and Balance- that analogy with the immune system and disease and stuff helped make it very clear to me

Make this guy president of Lucasfilm

Dave Filoni this is the way

I used to really like the idea of grey Jedi, until George put the dark side as a “cancer” and you don’t want any dark side.

Ya know it would actually be interesting to see if force lightning can being used on the light side in some way practical like maybe a generator or battery needs juice. I know its technically a dark side power but in a way its just a power. Like force choke is really just force grip on a specific spot, and like in avatar fire bending isn't evil its just like all the other elements that has very beneficial uses.

The Kanan voice actor said Grey Jedi don’t exist and is a fanon thing, Grey Jedi never existed in legends or canon

The term grey Jedi just doesn’t make sense. Call it a Bendu since that’s the middle

It always pisses me off when people say balance in Star Wars is using both the light and dark

The light is selflessness, the dark is selfishness. The Light is driven by "the greater good." which can result in one doing some pretty terrible things in the belief of "the lesser evil" The Dark is driven by " *my* greater good" which can also result in some pretty terrible things The Light is associated with, Compassion, tranquility, logic, charity The Dark is associated with fear, anger, hatred, envy, greed If one can say that being "balanced" is being in the light, then the simple solution is that these associations are false. fear, anger, hatred, envy, greed... these are not things intrinsic to the dark-side, they are intrinsic to life itself, and the force is life. What makes one light and another dark isn't emotion. Attachment, and the emotions it brings, are a tool to self-empowerment (which is close to selfishness but not the same), fuel for a fire. What makes one dark or light is for what purpose one uses the force. for themselves, or for others. if one has no attachment to others, one has no cause to be selfless. This is why there is such confusion, as the Jedi care more of the *means* than the intention. They do not walk in the light, they merely cling to its foundations, too weak to stand for fear of falling, and the fear of fear itself.

i always thought that a "gray" jedi was a jedi that valued all emotions, knew there was strength in love and attachments and knew that trying to suppress emotions (like the jedi in the prequels did) was the fastest way to the dark side because, let's face it, you can't fight human nature that much. you can't make it so people aren't afraid or don't fall in love, you CAN train them to think straight while full of anger or despair because, if you can keep your cool in those situations, you are pretty much a brick wall to the dark side. so, in the end, i always considered ahsoka and qui gon "gray jedi" because of that. also, for the force lighting thing, we simply never seen it used for anything else but to hurt, except, it's electricity. in the end, i always thought there was "the force" meaning that anyone could use anything from any "side" and, as long as you use it carefully, you would still be using the "light side"

Either Thor missunderstands the concept of "grey jedi" or I do. I never thought of grey Jedi being able to use both sides of the force. While this is possible on Kotor, what I took away from it from Jolee & Kreia is the philosophy of the Jedi, Jolee brings up his own misteps and how the jedi order failed him and the jedi hypocrisy , Ahsoka has a similiar experience, and Kreia brings fourth the flaws, and also preeches to follow/listen to the will of the force , which happens from time to time during morality situations, she teaches you that to outright always help someone is not a good act in it self, and more often than not just selfish in where you take on the struggles of someone else to yourself and therfor not allowing that individual to face it and grow him/herself and hoarding those experiences for yourself. Even tho at the same time, you'd gain a light side point for helping zed individual and a dark side for not helping him. And the reason Qui Gon also is refered to a grey jedi, is for his actions, he goes against the jedi's wishes to train Anakin, and he does not solve the slave situation on Tatooine, if not solve it, he had the option to atleast save a handful of slaves. And he wasn't afraid to use scary abilities as mind trick, which literally is brainwashing. Anakin on the otherhand disobeys the Jedi but this does not make him a grey jedi, in that he always does what he wants for selfish reasons, even when it comes to rescuing people, colonies etc. If he and Qui Gon switched places it's hard to believe that Anakin wouln't simply saber his way through the slavers, freeing every slave possible and being one step closer to the dark side. While Obi on the other hand wouln't save the slaves either but not for the same reasoning as Qui Gon ( In where I beleive that Qui Gon shares the same general idea as Kreia that it's their own struggle to overcome, and the force doesn't direct him to it) He wouln't do it simply because the Jedi haven't ordered him to do it, it is simply not his mission, so unless someone drags him in, like Anakin, he'll be more than reluctant to stay away from conflicts the jedi doesn't point him to. So there's nothing about force lightning and how it's cool to be edgy, it's about the philosophy & morality when it comes to the will of the force. The Jedi & Sith are religions and so is the grey jedi just that there's no proper name for it's philosophy. And this is what differentiate the jedi & the " grey " jedi Yoda and the council did not want to have Anakin trained, since they could sense and fear what the future has in store for him. Which Qui gon also felt. But the will of the force was to have Anakin trained, to later disobey the jedi, have children then turn to the dark side. Showing that they do not follow the will of the force, and instead make their choices based upon their own teachings & logic, they only follow the path which leads to the light side not "balance, nor harmony", and fight anything that doesn't. So in conclusion, the grey jedi are just as much light side as the ordinary jedi, with a different ideology, and the Jedi order we know of does not strive for balance between the dark & light, which we can see by the actions they've taken, since they're also guided by fear and can even be argued that they're blinded by arrogance. Which are pretty big stepping stones that leads to the dark side.

Filoni is the one true Emperor of the Galaxy

Every time I see the term grey jedi I think of some fanfic larpers who think dark and light can be used in balance at the same time.

it truly baffles me how so many people are misguided in their basic understanding of star wars. George Lucas wasn’t crazy, and he meant what he said about balance and Anakin’s fulfillment of the prophecy. it’s good that Filoni is able to carry on Lucas’ legacy

Masterful break down by both Dave and Thor. Bravo. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Well done. The idea of balance being having an equal number of Sith and Jedi and a constant state of murder and turmoil always made me shake my head. I am so glad Filoni gets this and appears to be on track to at the very least be the spiritual guide to Star Wars moving forward.

Perhaps there’d be less confusion if there were a distinction between the natural world and the world of sentient beings. Dark is not evil in itself. In the natural world (as Rey saw on Ach-to), balance exists when light and dark are equal, allowing life to continue. When a sentient being succumbs to their dark impulses, it becomes evil. Evil seeks to destruction of good by its nature, so balance in the sentient world is when good is dominant, allowing both to exist without destroying the other.

Some people say that Qui Gon and Ahsoka are 'grey' Jedi and the other ones are on the light side. I don't think that's correct: Qui Gon and Ahsoka are actually the real Jedi, they are the epitome of the light and most others have stepped away from its true path.

when you remember the daughter of Mortis, the personification of the light, lives in her or at last gave her hr nergy to safe her thgrey thing kind of goes out the window. Ahsoka has always been selfless and looking to help others if anything you could say she´s closer to the light than the jedi council was

One of the things that makes Star Wars so compelling is its mythological depth. Every SW story exists in a galaxy that's even more vast and complex than our own. Among an infinite variety of in-universe perceptions and interpretations ('certain points of view'), there are endless representations of the truth. Why shouldn't characters within the universe have just as much debate as we're having right here? All the pre-Disney EU content becoming literally _Legends_ can be interpreted this way. The Skywalker Saga alone (most people's way into the lore) shows that the Jedi's understanding of the Force went through stages -sometimes clearer, sometimes murkier- both as individuals and as an Order. And who's to say who is right and who is wrong. Actually, that wasn't really a rhetorical question. The answer is 'the creators'. The fact that more and more of EU/Legends stuff is being canonised -in the ways that it is; clarifying just such issues as these (e.g. 'are the Fetts _real_ Mandalorians?')- proves to me that there are people at Lucasfilm (Favreau & Filoni, but probably others who aren't in the spotlight as much as them) who care about this mythological depth and want to preserve and continue it. I think you're absolutely right about the idea of balance in the Force. I think you're absolutely right about people misunderstanding the idea of Grey Jedi (whether or not they _actually_ exist). My own tuppence worth (two cents worth) is that when Yoda says 'If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny,' I think he means that the _battle_ between light and dark will dominate your life. When he says, 'consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice,' I think he is revealing more about his own fear and sense of failure than he is genuinely predicting Luke's succumbing to the Dark Side. Either that or, again, he's talking about the _struggle_ consuming him. Maybe if a Jedi never experienced any temptation to use the Dark Side, they could live free from its attraction their whole life. But to the extent that this is unlikely, it's important that they know their life will involve constant re-dedication to their Code. I like your vision of a new re-framing of the essential conflict in terms of attachment/detachment. It's as if the Jedi made too simple an equivalence between detachment=balance(=light) and attachment=imbalance(=dark); as if, in order to resist the temptation of the Dark Side, one could simply deny one's attachments. But, of course, it's entirely possible to be susceptible to the Dark Side precisely _through one's detachment_ (e.g. coldness, logic). The Jedi weren't better the _less_ human they became (sorry alien races, you know what I mean), but through being more responsible and accountable to the Force (or, if that seems too spiritual/religious, to the Order). I, like you, would love it if a new Jedi Order could be formed under Luke and Ahsoka that sought an even deeper understanding of the Force than before, through acceptance of and connection with every aspect of one's personality. Not to _use_ the Dark Side but to... 'dissolve' it. Like you say, it's about intention. Then they could face the darkness without succumbing to it. Not only could this be the key to resolving suffering (fear-anger-hate-suffering) for an individual but also in their quest to maintain/restore balance in the galaxy. And, in this very particular sense, it woud be cool with me if they were to become the first Grey Jedi. Sorry for the long comment!

Hearing you say the dark side is like an addiction was something I’d never thought of before and makes so much sense. This is why I love your content Thor 🤙

I once read on twitter that light side is like asian parents and dark side is your cool uncle that gives you candy. No, the dark side is like your uncle who has candy written on his fking van

What about Jedi on Tython? They were not right about following the light and the dark path at the same time then?

The Dark Side can’t be combined with the Light. The Dark Side wants to consume and destroy the Light Side. The Dark Side is pure evil. It why the Sith are what they are morally. The Dark Side is addictive force of evil. Even Darth Bane and Darth Revan acknowledged that the Dark Side bends the Sith Lord to ITS will. Look at Jedi turn Sith like Revan, Malak, Exar Kun, Ulic Qel Droma, and Anakin. The Dark Side consumed them and make them slaves to its will. The dark side despises balance with the light side and wants domination and control.

I honestly can’t understand how someone could watch the Mortis Arc from Clone Wars, and end up believing that the dark and light side have to both be used together to create balance in the force (which is what the Gray Jedi concept is). At the end of the second episode of the Mortis Arc, the Father (the embodiment of balance in the force) specifically states that the dark side is evil. The physical embodiment of balance directly says that the dark side is evil and a threat to balance, and people still SOMEHOW end up thinking that light and dark need to coexist. I’m glad you made a video on this! It’s good to see someone who actually understands how the force works.

I think your description of the dark side as an "addiction" is one of the most nuanced I've ever heard. It's a great way to describe something that can often seem nebulous at times. Using the power in that way, you literally "force" things to go how you want them to, for your own selfish ends. It's easy so you keep doing things in that way. It's like a kid who is spoiled by parents that have a great amount of wealth. They get whatever they want, do whatever they want, and end up a rotten person inside. Only in this the onus isn't on "parents" but the person themself. Their selfish use of the force causes the good or wholesome person they were to "rot" away, as they become enticed by the power itself. It's refreshing to see this aspect of things coming back into play in Star Wars. These are the stories people want.

Your views on the Force are intresting, these sound like the Jedi teachings. Which I love to hear proves you are a true fan, but I'm not convinced that that is all the Force should be. The Jedi are monks following a "creed" if you don't want to call it a religion, but the actual actions of the force users show us something different. Obi-Wan, Anikin, and Mace failed to get information out of the Genosian in Clone Wars, but then Anikin used the dark side to threaten his life and suddenly he was quite talkative. Luke couldn't overcome his father until he used the darkside to make his body and abilities more powerful. Certainly being a better fighter is necessary sometimes to protect people. If it is easier to use the darkside then it is by definition more powerful. Power being defined as the amount of effect you can get out of some amount of effort. This is something I want them to do in a main trilogy, really examine the Force. Let's see how the Jedi teachings aren't absolutes of the universe. Let us see a Jedi grappling with the fact that someone is using the Force in ways that they think of as impossible because their conception of the Force is limiting their ability to interact with it. Similarly a Sith who bases their idea of the Force on a Jedi's conception but disregards the moral component of it then falls not to some inherent evil of the Force but to flaws in their own psyche. That would be a super interesting peice of the world to go into! In addition this gives you the ability dive into stories that say something about religion. Hopefully some nuanced take such as it doesn't matter what is literally true, it matters what the effect of your beliefs is, what qualities does it teach you to value and in what measure for each of them. That would be an interesting story, and in fact shares themes and ideas with you point on the difference of opinion Luke and Asoka could have on the nature of attachments. In regards to that homeostasis metaphor, if that comparison to cancer is correct then you'd be right but if instead a better metaphor is the natural predator and prey dynamic of an ecosystem then I'd be correct. When predators disappear from an ecosystem then the prey will reproduce and consume the very things they need to survive. This then kills everyone as they starce to death and suffocate each other. But when a necessarily lower number of, but still a healthy ratio of predators exist they keep these populations in check, allowing the maximum number of animals to thrive by making sure they don't suffocate themselves.

what about Mace Windu, doesn't he use the dark side of the force in battle. I always thought that Windu used the dark side but had complete and utter control of his emotions in order to resist the pull of the darkness. Has this been retconned in cannon?

If the light side is selflessness and balance, and the dark side represents selfishness and is a cancer that brings about imbalance, how can there be a middle ground like the Bendu claims they are in rebels? If being a grey Jedi is contradictory because there is no middle ground or mix of selflessness and selfishness, how can beings like the Bendu who claim to be in the middle of the “Ashla” and “Bogan” exist? Even more confusingly what’s in the middle of balance and imbalance?

Incredibly insightful! I agree with you! Thanks for clearing that up in my mind. “For once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.”

It's crazy, I've been a star wars fan for 16 years and never understood why you would want balance between the light and dark, just didn't make sense to me. But this video cleared that up quick and made me love star wars even more 🙌🏾

I think westerners look differently at "balance" than asians. The light and darkside roots from Ying and Yang. So I can imagine westerners sometimes misinterpreting it.

I feel like you're ignoring the fact that the term ''Grey Jedi'' has 2 definitions. I understand not liking the first definition but the second definition is something different. The second definition is a jedi that does not adheres strictly to the jedi code or the jedi council but is definitely on the light side of the force like a rouge light side user. That's why people keep calling Qui-Gon and ahsoka, grey jedi. I think if Lucasfilm wants the term grey jedi to disappear, they should introduce a replacement term for the second definition of grey jedi.

On subject of true meaning of star wars: I recomend "Philosophy of Kreia: critical examination of star wars" and follow-up videos

Top notch mon frere. I've watched many of your vids but this is the one that sold me. Someone who get's it. Subscribed (finally).

Yes! Finally someone who understands Star Wars!!! What a breath of fresh air

Your mistaking "grey" to mean both dark and light, and while people may interpret it as that the way its typically applied in lore ive read is for force users outside the jedi order. A force user that uses the dark side that was not a sith or part of a know order was typically called a dark jedi. The only jedi/sith to directly use both to my knowledge was reven and he was a very unique case. As for force lighting...i think more people need to learn about electric judgment and kyle katarns teaching of "there are no evil force powers. Just what you do with them". We can always hope feloni will just rewrite that trash fire and give us a real story.

Saying it’s the “most insulting thing” is absolutely dramatic

I know some people say Filoni overuses Ahsoka but I mean if he keeps telling quality stories with her ie (siege of Mandalore, the Jedi) then he can give us as much Ahsoka stories as he wants.

Videos like this one are why I love this channel. You have a good understanding of Star Wars.

THANK YOU! Someone finally points this out, the infatuation with the dark side and this idea that the "grey jedi" is how it should be in the fandome really pisses me off sometimes. That, and how it's perceived and often (unfortunately) portraited that the dark side is more powerful somehow. It is not; it is just easier, like all wrong things.

I really hope the sequels get retconned

There's a lot of clueless fans that need to see this video. Good job.

Yeah I always thought it was stupid when people call Ashoka a grey jedi. She's firmly on the light side.

I swear every time I check youtube I find another video about why Filoni is the best thing to happen to star wars in years

I love this video. The way you conveyed the info, clearly and reasonably. Well done!

5:07 Couldn't some level of lightning be used to help you power up something? Or it could be used as a defibrillator on someone. I mean, I get the point, but there can be uses for lightning.

Lot of people clearly never heard of Force Lightning's Lightside cousin Electric Judgment. A electrical attack but not nearly as powerful and mainly only used like a stun gun or taser would be.

Hi, I've been liking your videos more and more every time I see them. I look forward to them every time I see them pop up in my feed.

Darth Vader: Revenge is not the Jedi way Ahsoka: I am no Jedi

I feel there's no such thing as "light" and "dark" powers, just light and dark intentions. Force lightning is bad if you use it in a torturous manner but if you use it it to subdue a person akin to a taser then that's okay. If we're saying brutal stuff is dark side then lightsabres are the darkest of dark side instruments. They're horrific. Same for force choke, when Luke choked that guard was it evil? Not really. He was just getting a dude out his way. Example: If Luke came out that elevator and immediately force lightning-ed a bunch of the Dark Troopers then what's evil about that?

Me watching this video; "YES! SOMEONE GETS IT!"

Great explanation, Thor. It's sad that the sequel trilogy continues to loom over everything like a dark, Sith specter.

Thank you, thank you, thank you Dave Filoni and Thor Skywalker!!!! This is PRECISELY what has been upsetting me in modern Disney era of Star Wars, both the movies and the books - a complete misunderstanding of what “balance in the Force” means in Lucas’ vision!! Thank you guys for finally setting the record straight!!

To point something out: despite probably being firmly set in Legends, Plo Koon created a form of force lightning known as "Electric Judgement". It appears more orange/yellow than sith blue/white, and the Jedi Master stated that he felt no fear, anger, or any sort of dark side pull while using it. To restate a previous fact: your alignment in the force is based on how you use it, either to help yourself or to help others. The force is also still rather unknown, and it wasn't uncommon for Jedi to create their own unique force powers, Kit Fisto's "Water force orb" power as an example. What I'm hopefully trying to get across is that there is usually a light side counter part to every dark side ability, albeit sometimes weaker or not as flash as dark side force powers. For example, one could say force choke is the dark side equivalent to the light side force stasis. Another smaller point I would like to make is that its always been my belief that "Grey" Jedi was a sort of slang term used by the Jedi Order to describe certain Jedi that didn't completely align themselves to all the Order's teachings and beliefs. ("Rogue" Jedi if you will). Examples being Qui Gon Jinn and Quinlan Vos. Of course, this slang term was also used around the time that the Council allowed the Order to become more influenced by the Senate rather than work along side Senate. So, tbh, one could argue that "Grey" Jedi like Qui Gon Jinn were really what the Jedi were supposed to act like, and the current Council at the time are all Greys themselves.

I am just imagining a Sith and a Jedi on a road trip with the car battery down and the Sith just uses force lighting to charge it

Hey Thor! When you do all the SW characters for Battle of heroes and Villains, can you do Marvel?

Ahsoka and Qui Gon embodies everything a jedi should be.

It always bugged me that I never understood the "balance" Anakin was supposed to bring, and in the prequels, it seemed like even Yoda was not sure what it meant. It's not really explained in the movies for me, so this was a very welcome video, thanks man!

The idea of a grey Jedi should be one that understands emotion is not necessarily harmful. If you wield your emotions constructively and use them towards good then you are not on the path to evil. This would have been interesting if that was what Luke meant by, "I know the jedi need to end," because he knew they need to learn to embrace their emotion instead of rejecting it.

That Electric Judgemnt technique would disagree with force lightning being only evil. Like Luke using Force Choke on Jabba's guards there are shades of light & dark. Intent determines a great deal of it. Gray Jedi is the wrong concept; Qui-Gonn & Ahsoka followed the force not the will of the council. Perhaps they went Rogue but are clearly on the Light Side.

To me it is mostly light side but being a so called gray Jedi is some one that will go offensive to help others or to confront someone who is showing superiority over others. For instance in KOTOR the game that’s what Revan did was he helped the republic with the mandalorian wars while the Jedi council weren’t dealing with the problem.

When Dave talks about the Force naturally existing in balance and it is thrown out by using the dark side. Doesn't that contradict the whole the Father, the Son and Daughter arc in Clone Wars? That seems to suggest the force is balanced by the need for destruction (dark) and creation (light), day and night etc. Not slagging Dave, who is a legend, just interested if anybody could clear it up for me. Probably just missing something obvious.

I always read it as more of a 2d thing than just either selfless = light and selfish = dark. Sort of like a dnd alignment chart, where using focus and discipline like jedi do is "lawful", and using the force through emotion is "chaotic", and following the will of the force is "good", and using the force selfishly is "evil". So the sith would be in chaotic evil, and ahsoka and qui-gon would be in lawful good. I would honestly put the jedi order of the prequel era in lawful neutral, because they tried to follow the will of the force, but the politics got in the way too much. I feel like this description fits the description from the Father in the Mortis arc, so that even someone using the light side can essentially be "lawful evil", and put the force out of balance.

“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

If you can't balance light and dark can someone explain Windu's shatterpoint ability? I havent watched the video so he might have mentioned it.