Sam Harris doesn’t return Rubin’s calls anymore… Rubin: “New Atheism is like dead or something?”

Dave Rubin's political ideology is quite concrete and consistent. He's a bona fide Windest and Breadist. He goes wherever the wind blows and wherever there's a meal ticket.

Weinstein, nobody ever said "simple atheism" would be enough to navigate life. That's why atheists often are secular humanists or something. Atheism is merely about one issue, gods; it's not reall a worldview in itself.

As a long-time atheist, when Rubin says the "atheist movement" is dead he's referring to some of the individuals associated with "new atheism". And in that narrow sense he's correct. Christopher Hitchens died, and Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins have largely moved on. It's no longer a media/internet/cultural sensation. But he's wrong in the bigger sense. The steady erosion of religiosity in America advances inexorably.

These guys have a ridiculous high opinion of their own importance. 95% of this country as never heard of these 2 or Jordan Peterson

Nobody has ever accused Dave Rubin of being an intelligent person. And if they did accuse of him of that, he would be exonerated in open court.

Dave Rubin is one of those idiots who thinks that if there aren't any tv talking heads saying something that it isn't being said.

The intellectual dark web is like Bret and Dave's 'high school' moment. They peaked in high school. They want to re-experience/recreate their high school moments.

If she doesn’t reach the criteria than who does? Nobody that’s who. That’s why these exceptions like rape, incest or life of the mother mean absolutely nothing.

When your entire political position is a fallacy, the outcome is predictable.

If there ever was an atheist movement, it ended once progressives realized that the decline of religious faith didn't equate with a decline in right wing bigotry and authoritarianism. There are considerable naivety in that regard, especially given the experience of the UK and other western nations where conservatism still thrived regardless of the fact that religious faith hadn't been an important factor in politics and public life for several decades. The fact is that the political spectrum of non-believers is widening as their numbers grow. The problem isn't religion, it's conservatism. As they push their religious past to one side, right-wingers readily find other reasons to justify their hatred and paranoia, as their love of Trump and his grievous populism has amply demonstrated.

I am so grateful for y'all's principled progressive stances, your fierce advocacy for marginalized people, your covering subjects and people that are incredibly important but are purposefully ignored and silenced, all while making us laugh. But more than anything, I am blown away at the strength y'all show in the ability to actually watch Dave Rubin in order to bring us these master classes in "centrist" fart sniffing.

“The end of ‘The Athiest Movent!’” LOL! An atheist movement is born everytime a 12-year-old reads Nietzsche on the shitter.

Dave Rubin is the Fredo of the right-wing conservative movement.

I get a real douche chill when Dave Rubin says the word 'actually' and adds an extra few syllables. Grates on me so much, cos he always uses it redundantly.

Both of them walked away that day convinced they had a high minded conversation.

Kudo's on Bret for at last shaving, dressing up, maybe showering for the first time in a while and leaving his basement. It must have been a relief for him to discover 90% of the population hasn't died of mRNA vaccination.

Weinstein was also an embarrassment to Evergreen due to his research, I wish more people brought that up. Bret has a messiah complex - as a professor, he would go around claiming that his PhD thesis was the most important document in biology since Darwin. He claims to have found a framework akin to the change between Newtonian physics and Einstein’s theory of relativity. His thesis had been entirely discredited in his field for a decade prior to his bit publicity stunt at Evergreen. His explanation is that he’s like Galileo and he will take his rightful place as one of the greatest scientists in history… after he passes that pesky peer review process.

Jordan Peterson put an end to the atheist movement in America?! LOLOLOL

The funny part is the debate Rubin references ends with complete embarrassment and frustration as Peterson proves completely unable to even agree upon a sensible definition of truth (as Peterson pretentiously wanted to over-complicate the term by saying what's true "in the truest sense" is that which serves human reproduction).

Hello Dave, I am a Black guy who is atheist and lives in Montgomery, Alabama. The buy bull belt 😅

I don't know why this thing is so difficult for Bret to understand. We use rationality to identify and solve our problems. Or, not. And, if we're relying on continuing human evolution to solve our problems, then we'll all be dead before that saves us.

The strategy here is to ask a question that doesn’t beg to be asked and spend a long time not answering it.

Weinstein is like Peterson. Big vocabulary he uses to say next to nothing or spends 5 minutes saying something you could say in 20 seconds if you weren't trying desperately to sound smart. I think conservatives see a strong vocabulary as a sign of general intelligence. Pssst... it's not.

The whole conversation between rubin and brett is like watching two monkeys trying to stroke eachother off but they forgot they were flinging shit 5 seconds before

Listening to the 'intellectual dark web' types is actual torture

Harris was not 'more atheist' about Islam (which is a stupid statement) but i believe that Harris also has the view (unrelated to his lack of belief in a god) that the precepts of Islam are more harmful than many other religions.

"Longstanding traditions that contain wisdom" This is very funny to me. After my childhood of religious fundamentalism and authoritarianism there is no room in my thinking for this "wisdom"

Weinstein sounds like one of the Aliens from the Simpsons disguised as the presidential candidates.

_"Compendiums of wisdom."_ Wisdom like: Breed your animals in front of sticks so that they'll have striped offspring. Because that's totally how that works.

If I lived in a place where abortion was illegal, and was pregnant, and the prognosis was that my baby had zero chance of surviving more than a few hours to few days, and would spend his/her short life suffering in agonising pain...and I was also told there's a significant chance that it would be a risky labour and I'd be left infertile.. ..even if I was living in poverty, and couldn't afford to travel somewhere that would be able to *legally* terminate the pregnancy. I'd have absolutely no choice but to have an *illegal* termination. I'm a mother of 3, and I can't stand the thought of my children going through any pain, so there's absolutely no way I'd be able to give birth to a baby *knowing* that they were going to have to endure for as long as they managed to keep breathing. *What more proof do we need that right-wing politicians, and "pro-life" (predominantly male) right-wingers in general, *couldn't'care less* about the unborn, babies or any children, when they'd rather see a child born, live a few hours of torture, then AS PREDICTED die.... leaving the parents scared for life, and possibly unable to conceive again.*

Bret is just mad his brother is smarter and cooler and nicer than him.

tell Rubin that hairpiece ain't fooling anyone 🤣

I will never understand why Sam Seder and many on the left are so dead set on not even willing to discuss downsides of one religion versus the other and the way those religions encourage people to behave. It is not inherently racist to have those conversations. I'm not saying there's people who don't misuse those types of arguments to mask true racism, I'm sure there is, but I never got the impression Sam Harris was one of them. Regardless, when you scream racism and just assume somebody's being racist even when they're not, you're intentionally shutting down that conversation and I think that's the last thing we need right now.

He thinks "debates" between jordan peterson and sam harris seen by a tiny amount of people had an impact on society

Except that Sam Harris wrote a whole book tearing down Christianity..

Religion described as a mind virus was done by Richard Dawkins in one of his essays in the 90s.

Thank you. Athelism isn't and has never been a movement. We don't seek each other out to join groups. We don't have cake sales. And we don't try to make others lose their faith. I personally embrace the faith of people close to me. I'm a little envious; I wish there was a God.

"We don't know how they're going to rule on this." My thoughts: Really, Sam, we don't know how an extremely Conservative, "pro-life" Texas supreme court is going to rule on this issue?

This is the new grift that a lot of those intellectual dark web types are headed in on. "Cultural Christians" Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Douglas Murray among others have toned down their criticism of Christianity but the Islamaphobia, transphobia are still all the rage with these clowns,

saying sam harris is more athiest to islam is a WILD claim given he wrote letters to a christian nation.

Is Dave's show filmed in an Amazon warehouse, what's with all the noise in background

Return of the Wounded Elk. Sam, you know what to do.

I think it is totally valid to think that some religions are worse than others, when there are such differences in the holy books, the history, and their current state. I disagree with conflating being anti-Islam with being anti-Arab.

0:22 Dave Rubin hasn't been on a journey (he knows exactly where he's at), but he sure has taken us for a ride!

"Dave Rubin? More like FAVE Rubin!" - Nobody ever.

7:29 Emma not into Matt Lech's weird nails on a chalkboard rambling.

Wait, wait... Dave Rubin thinks that the Sam Harris v. Jordan Peterson ended "the atheist movement" in America? 😂 Let's ignore the silly term for the sake of discussion... Dave Rubin didn't watch the debate. Peterson was literally embarrassed in that debate. It was quite evident on camera.

As a fellow former member of the New Atheist club in 2008, I can say that the real criticism that "movement" deserves is that they were always just reactionaries that happened to be reactionary against a power structure that people already hate: institutionalized religion. I got frustrated with how often they would reject trying to create any sort of movement for good, and the number of stupid schisms that emerged over stuff like "maybe we should have a rule to not be racist" started to tire me out. When some clown in an armored suit in a tuxedo showed up on the KZfaq atheist scene diagnosing the problem as "too much group think as after effects from being previously religious," I realized that that crowd had no answers or solutions, only complaints about everyone else.

The “centrist” but really, right wing, anti-sjw, anti-BLM, anti-Muslim, anti-progressive atheistic movement is dead in America. I remember that period on KZfaq vividly. Dave Rubin, like always, doesn’t have a clue.

I would pay to see Matt Dillahunty completely eat Rubin's lunch in a debate.

“This is your life and you do what you want to do-just don’t hurt nobody”

If the fetus is threatening her life, can't she stand her ground? If a threat to your life (even a perceived one) gives you the right to defend yourself with lethal means, then why can't she have an abortion?

Who the hell wants to go back to "mainstream"?

Did you see the part where Weinstein said he emailed Musk several times and Musk told him…”stop spamming me.” That’s a new low.

YEESH bret needs the beard back

It's baffling how stupid this conversation is... saying religion and its specific teachings are part of evolution and caused by natural selection is putting the cart before the horse. Truly baffling that people who do this for a living are so bad at talking about this....

15:24 Nice Freudian slip when Sam said "divorce" instead of "abortion".

Talking about his atheism being "specific" is a great way to phrase it.

The same tired schtick of "I'm an entitled white piss baby bigot, and I'm butt mad over the fact I can't be an openly bigoted dumbass without being criticized for it", we've been hearing out of these types for years.

I think we can all agree that, while regularly bodying Dave Rubin is super easy, that does not make it any less entertaining or enjoyable.

Rubin lives in an echo chamber so of course he thinks things are dying, he doesn't ever see them

The Sam Harris slander is absolutely dumb. He wrote an entire book against Christianity.

As a youngster, I thought I was sooo funny with my cutting edge and subversive comedy. Now I realize, I was just an insensitive Ā-hole.

Wait “talking about which ideas are better is inherently racist” So hang on, can we be critical of Christianity and Islam? Or just Christianity?

Texas the new Gilead

LMAO. Matt Dillahunty and San Harris EXPOSED Jordan Peterson as being himself an atheist, at the very least, he's agnostic and he just won't admit it. WTF is Rubin even talking about. Those debates were an embarrassment for theists. Lol

Neither one of them were ever mainstream

Religion is an opinion. And God ends up being indefinable. I could define a paganism with physics and biology as real "gods".

Imagine Weinstein not knowing who S. J. Gould was and his thoughts on NOMA and religion 😂😂😂😂😂 Talk about delusions of grandeur. 50 fecking years ago! 50!

I was waiting for this. ..those a holes

The thing with Dave Rubin to keep in mind is that he is a very, very, indeed VERY not smart man.

“ATHEISM IS DEAD” is the most delusional bumper sticker ever.😆

Let's not overlook the irony that in the mainstream religion is being represented by grifters who are not particularly religious, as in "not religious at all", as in "don't know much and don't care", and that majority of the people, who actually take their religion seriously, pay no attention whatsoever to these grifters, more often, than not, they're not even aware of their existence. In other words, in the mainstream, religion is represented by pseudo-religious grifters, with millions of pseudo-religious followers, for whom being religious simply means being anti-left and and/or anti-atheist. Otherwise, they don't give a shit about any God, or any God's laws, rules and commandments.

This particular pregnant Texas woman is getting plenty of press, not because her plight is so dire but because she's pretty, white, middle class, and may even have voted Republican in the past. This woman had the resources to leave the state and exercise her humanity in another state. Think of all the non-white, non-pretty, non-consequential women who cannot afford that remedy, and whose stories no one will ever tell. They just suffer, despair, and die. VOTE!

15:17 I know it was a mistake, but I love the idea of referring to abortions as getting a "divorce" from your fetus.

Evolutionary biologists never said that. They always assumed it had a evolutionary function. That's what they do.

"There's no simple solution to using or not using stuff from the past to deliver solutions for the future... this is an evolutionary process... " How completely vague, ignorant, and utterly meaningless. I just don't understand how a person can use so many words to say absolutely nothing.

The atheist “movement” died, too, when Hitchens died. Because none of the other guys is actually smart or honest.

The reason there isn't an atheist movement because we aren't dogmatic about it.

When Dave Rubin said the Jordan Peterson/Sam Harris debate put an end to atheism, I nearly choked on my dinner

Close your eyes and listen to Brett Weinstein. I swear to god it’s like listening to the Joker.

Bret Weinstein looks like his brother, Warts, without the facial hair.

That story at the end are actual death panels.

For DR, politic is a matter of fashion trends.

How did jbp and Sam harris debates end the atheist movement? I honestly think Rubin is asshurt harris isn't his friend anymore

“‘Bad ideas’ that got into the system” is Dave Rubin referring to capitalism?

How can you be “a little less atheist” on some religions than others? You either believe gods exist or you don’t

THE MAINSTREAM IS THE THREAT TO TRUTH - LOL -

How did the Bad Ideas get into the system? Submitting Thing 1 (Dave Rubin) and Thing 2 (Bret Weintein) as the vector of those bad ideas, also if your last name is Weinstein you will forever catch my side-eye and extra scrutiny, the same way if someones last name is Hitler.

The one they mean went out with Christopher Hitchens.

You know, I don't really LIKE abortion, just because I find it regrettable to terminate life when there are often other options available. But, come the fuck on, Texas. It is beyond fucked to not allow this woman to abort.

Not gonna lie... I'd rather watch paint dry while having a root canal, than listen to Brett Weinstein...

Weinstein is a big disappointment.

Ever think the new atheist movement that was popular for a while was really a thinly-veiled attack on muslims with some collateral damage towards jews/christians? Even Christopher Hitchens was very anti-muslim at the time; I wonder would he have really wrote that book if 9/11 didn't happen. (BTW I have many of CH;'s books so it is not a dig towards him.) The new atheist movement HAS died down as time has passed and college students are not are of the twin towers.

Watching Jordan Peterson talk about god is like drunkenly trying to grab an eel. Worst debates ever

sam harris is like the last person they should be talking shit about

When Sam Harris first got famous, I read his books, and noted that he wasn't at all as intellectual as the other "new" atheists (nothing new, or bad, about it), a more vague, inexplicably positive about Eastern religions, didn't think he needed to explain how/why hijabs are bad... (I agree they are, but...) Flaws, but nothing necessarily major ...until he defended racial profiling, making it clear he's a bigot. It just went downhill from there. Proper intellectual atheists (just merely being atheist, doesn't mean you're intellectual/smart/wise, or scientifically minded), point out that islam is no worse than christianity, and discriminating based on "race" or ethnicity, is utterly illogical/unscientific.

This Texas case you cite, you initially said that "Well, ALL doctors agree that this fetus has a particular congenital disease that'll result in its near-certain death in the first hours to days...", but after some discussion, hedge to: "Of course, no one can be certain of anything..." is hilarious. If a bunch of doctors were to pronounce YOU (after some hypothetical, catastrophic situation) "essentially dead" that you have little chance of survival, I'm sure that you'd agree with them and give up, too, right?? Bet not. Yet you'd make the same decision for a developing human? Hypocritical much?? Or, maybe, you might argue that you have voice and agency, that you can DECIDE not to give up. Well, what if you were unconscious but still with vital signs? That you cannot speak up and give consent BY ITSELF should give the doctors the power to decide your life/death then and there? That's messed up. The more salient & wide point is that you are using some fringe case (and I bet you have a bunch of these at your disposal, if we look...) to justify the position that abortion should be allowed til the moment of birth (and some even more radical, til soon after birth) FOR WHATEVER REASON??! [I know.. I know... you didn't say as much, but I suspect, if I wasted dozens/scores of hours culling thru your YT channel, I'd likely find this true. You can verify or deny, if you want.] If this isn't your position, then what are you trying to say, except maybe "religion is bad; atheism is good"?? I'm agnostic, but even I recognize that religionists have SOME things right. From your dismissive verbage, it sounds like you are kind of making the case for RB;AG.. If I'm misconstruing you, I apologize. But I fail to see your point in this video, if that ISN'T the point you're making.

Didn't that Texas lady get an abortion out of state?