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2 ай бұрын

Thoughts on the upcoming Snapdragon X Elite laptops compared against Apple's M3 MacBook.
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@Dave2D 2 ай бұрын

These new laptops look RIPE

@Matanumi 2 ай бұрын

Ripe with possible scams " entrepreneurs" want to sell you?

@Dark.Syndicate 2 ай бұрын

let us see the machines first before deciding whether they look "RIPE" or not. that said....not a fan of baked storage. that's kind of a deal breaker.

@michaelxz1305 2 ай бұрын

I don't get it ... what's the point of it being "so good' if has to emulate most apps anyhow. why would anyone want to create ARM software.. I mean they can't even get developers to create lots of great windows store apps.

@iansteelmatheson 2 ай бұрын

@@michaelxz1305 the idea is that it becomes popular enough that people move their shit over. this was an issue for Apple too when M1 came out, but of course there was far less doubt it would work. still though, Qualcomm is massive too and has the major PC manufacturers on board, so we'll see.

@ugo4brain 2 ай бұрын

@@michaelxz1305 `why would anyone want to create ARM software`... errm, same reason Devs created ARM apps for the M Silicon series.

@rek8193 2 ай бұрын

Apple got me entirely based on the battery life. I have zero brand loyalty, it’s simply that battery is *mandatory* for my work and leisure. Very excited for competition in the space.

@Rocksteady72a 2 ай бұрын

I would just love Apple to figure out their screen brightness issue. They always advertise around 20hrs of battery, but the moment you put the brightness to max, it's about 3 if you're lucky. My Surface easily lasts the entire day at max brightness. Now, the latter has vastly poorer performance, but it shouldn't be this difficult for Apple to not have the battery absolutely fail like this when the vast majority of the on-battery time is just spent with Office & browser tasks.

@AndrewPL5 2 ай бұрын

@@Rocksteady72a seeing ALL reviews on the M series Apple laptops, nobody has ever said their macbook battery drains a lot faster with high screen brightness. They are literally editing videos and doing heavy tasks and the battery lasts 10+ hours. I don't understand where you are getting your info from, or if you are just hating to hate. Or are you taking about intel based macbooks? Either way, you're SO wrong with what you said.

@HearMeLearn 2 ай бұрын

they got me with battery, performance per watt, and the quality of the hardware. If a windows laptop matched apple silicon in battery life, performance per watt, and had gaming usable power, I would upgrade to that next and not look back

@alvinamana1459 2 ай бұрын

@@AndrewPL5they aren't doing that at full brightness no reviewer has ever said they had 20 plus hours editing videos and got 20 hours thats pure bs they've literally said the opposite. That goes for any laptop the higher spec your screen the brighter it is the faster battery burns. Apple purely based their battery like every body else on basic task at 50 percent brightness lol. He isnt' hating you apple fanboys just get so butthurt when people talk about the basic battery life he even admitted the macbook worked better so hows he hating?

@martinwashington1007 2 ай бұрын

@@Rocksteady72a Do you have an m chip or Intel Mac?

@destructodisk9074 2 ай бұрын

"I don't think Microsoft will allow 8GB 256GB devices." Please don't look at the current Surface devices 😬

@brezza6892 2 ай бұрын

Pricing mate. It's competitive with that many vendors.

@divine6104 2 ай бұрын

Mine is ARM 4GB for $1k (got it on discount before knowing the difference between ARM and x86) 🤢. The other day I saw one on sale for dcking $1.9k, i7-1255U, 16GB ram, 512 storage. Two gens old $1.9k without even close to flagship specs is broad day light scamming.

@cz4510 2 ай бұрын

😢q kk I l A

@jimjones3287 2 ай бұрын

He said *Windows devices, not *Microsoft devices.

@sertralina100mg 2 ай бұрын

@@divine6104what currency are you talking about?

@SeanCassiere 2 ай бұрын

Just a developer's POV here, but in my opinion, the part that really gave us devs the push to move our apps to be native on Apple Silicon was the knowledge that all Macs would be moving to this architecture in less than a couple years. It really was one of those 'you snooze you lose' moments, where not releasing an M1-compatible app as-soon-as-possible could actually lead to people leaving your app for a competitor. Contrast that to the Windows market, which is so large, and these new ARM machines are probably going to account for less than a percent of Windows devices deployed. These statistics certainly aren't any positive incentives for devs on Windows, who then have to compile to ARM and maintain support for it (which can be very costly).

@sloanphone2323 2 ай бұрын

Give it 5 years and I think a large portion of windows laptops will be on arm, the advantage of battery life is impactful. Developers will support it once the technology grows mature.

@SeanCassiere 2 ай бұрын

@@sloanphone2323 Its abit of a chicken and the egg problem with that one. Development teams don't want to commit to a platform that doesn't have a large enough user base, and customers don't want to buy devices on which their apps can't run. I'm by no means hating on Windows here. But the Window's market's sheer scale does unfortunately put it at a disadvantage.

@_Digitalguy 2 ай бұрын

@@SeanCassiere apps can run emulated, the thing is will these chips be able to brute forme decent performance with emulation? If the answer is yes, the chicken and egg problem is no longer a big issue

@jamaharon 2 ай бұрын

@@sloanphone2323 I'm not sure the ARM tech is the biggest advantage of apple efficiency, the size of the transistors seems way more important, the latest higher tire apple cpu are not that efficient compared to AMD latest.

@kjeldkaj 2 ай бұрын

@@_Digitalguy they will not, windows does not have a Rosetta. And even Rosetta did not work on all programs

@ThisIsTechToday 2 ай бұрын

So great seeing you this past week, man. Always love seeing what you’re working on.

@gabrielnelson 2 ай бұрын

Honestly, the better these Windows devices do, the better it will be for all the end consumers, both Windows and Apple users alike, since this will put at least some more pressure on Apple to step up their baseline configurations or at least charge less.

@MKBUHDD 2 ай бұрын

Sad truth, it won’t force apple to do anything. Apple fans are sooooo into apple as some in love. No matter what apple does, they keep buying. They sell even now in 2024 a 800$ iphone with 60hz screen and macbooks 2023- 2024 with 8Gb of Ram, and apple fans are buying it and even defending apple anti consumer’s strategy. So don’t push your hops up.

@filip.a. 2 ай бұрын

they will not charge less for base models or upgrades but they might increase base storage/ram if the competition is fierce..

@riomendoza1111 2 ай бұрын

Hard disagree. Apple has been doing battery better for the last 10 years. They are going to keep doing better weather PC does or not.

@nocopyrightgameplaystockvi231 2 ай бұрын

Lol, you don't understand apple. Apple will give you world class products with a high price, no upgrades, locked community and that's all.

@nocopyrightgameplaystockvi231 2 ай бұрын

@@riomendoza1111 Apple wins only this category.

@user-uc5xo7yu7n 2 ай бұрын

Yo dave with that dope hair style

@steve3621 2 ай бұрын

Can you believe Dave's in his 40s

@Iifesteal 2 ай бұрын

@@steve3621 I'm 29 and look older

@fVNzO 2 ай бұрын

@@steve3621 This is what people in their 40's look like when they take decent care of themselves though (hair also helps, and his is obviously dyed).

@mtosity 2 ай бұрын

Dave4D

@siontheodorus1501 2 ай бұрын

Linus inspired

@MrIzzyfunk 2 ай бұрын

I’m not tired of MacBooks winning. I’m tired of terrible PCs.

@paulharrison8379 2 ай бұрын

The Mac Studio has removable proprietary SSDs. However, Apple will not sell you an upgrade SSD yet. This is Apple at its worst, where making the Mac Studio upgradable would be really easy but Apple still choose to force you to buy a new Mac Studio if you want more storage.

@OShackHennessy 2 ай бұрын

I used to use Macs, my wife still does. I really want to like Macs but the whole upgrade/repair scheme just turns me off. I mean they’re great well built machines but damn I can’t get over it. I also don’t love the OS, don’t hate it either but prefer windows or Linux. I’ve been eyeing an M3 Pro MacBook Pro but won’t pull the trigger. If Apple would be a little less shitty they’d earn me back as a customer.

@technicolourmyles 2 ай бұрын

@@OShackHennessy I absolutely get on you on the upgradeability. In terms of the OS, though, if you really meant it when you said Linux, keep an eye out for Asahi Linux!

@thekwoka4707 2 ай бұрын

@@OShackHennessyyou can install Linux on a MacBook. It's actually the best way to have a Linux laptop, since the core firmware makes Linux more stable. And the boot manager is a lot easier.

@OShackHennessy 2 ай бұрын

@@thekwoka4707I’ve never done this, that’s interesting

@markmywords3817 2 ай бұрын

@@OShackHennessywhich is why i still think the last MacBook that was kind of tolerably repairable is around the mid 2010s. I still keep some of them as spare when a laptop becomes broken and they're still plenty great for basic office use. Some of them i repurposed as a backup server for family devices and digital media playback. I use OpenLegacy patcher to use later macos to old mac devices and still maintain around 95% of the functionality.

@m-ksh 2 ай бұрын

The biggest test would be the variants they've shown so far - as you said, "23W" and "80W". They may perform much better than a regular M2 and M3, but we don't know yet how efficient they are compared to the sheer efficiency the M-series chips have. And as much as the performance of Apple Silicon was good, I think the most amazing thing about them is just how energy-efficient they are. 5-8W on light tasks! And that's without fans! I'd like to think we've past the point of being concerned about power in a thin and light laptop. The biggest test for these X Elite chips is simply to normalise 15-16 hours laptop battery life. Exciting times! (Also, light a fire under Apple's buttocks and make them realize that laptops starting at 8GB RAM and asking USD200 for a RAM upgrade is rich for a multi-trillion dollar company.)

@OShackHennessy 2 ай бұрын

Great points, especially on the disgraceful base model specs. In my opinion Apple can double their base RAM and storage while adding more customers instead of shaking down their existing customers.

@Your_Paramour 2 ай бұрын

I'm not even sure why they bother with showing 23w tdp numbers. The only way that 23w could be compelling in windows land is if for some reason, the rest of laptop is dramatically more efficient than a regular x86 laptop, which just begs the question as to what's stopping an x86 laptop being equally efficient. This chip has to be able to do the regular windows experience outside of demanding apps under 5w to ever to be compelling enough to buy it. If it still needs 10-15w to do anything useful, than it's hardly better than a ryzen apu, which you sacrifice nothing in using. Qualcomm and Microsoft don't have to the same adapt or die with arm on windows advantage that Apple had, so this chip has got to have amazing efficiency or be good enough and be dirt cheap.

@robinrai4973 2 ай бұрын

even x86 can do sub 5 watts on light tasks, the old 8th gen intel chip I'm typing this on is using 1-3 watts with 40 browser tabs open. I hope the 23 watts is that particular chip sku's peak consumption, much like how apple silicon can go above twenty watts doing heavier tasks I'm very much ready for a fanless computer

@thekwoka4707 2 ай бұрын

It's wild being able to grab a random USB-c charger at a convenience store and charge your laptop. No bulky bricks.

@torpedospurs 2 ай бұрын

They definitely should've shown the 12w version which is meant for fanless devices. That they didn't....

@ThomasGodart 2 ай бұрын

Dave, there is something you didn't say and I'm guessing that you didn't know, is that Rosetta is not only a software, it's a hardware as well: the Apple Silicon M series embarks an emulation layer on the CPU cores that Rosetta activates, and when it does then the CPU core that has switched won't multitask with Apple ARM native apps anymore; and that's why Rosetta is so strangely good and barely suffers from any slowing down from native code. PCs won't have that technology so don't expect emulation to perform well there

@CzlowiekImadlo 2 ай бұрын

This is interesting. Does this imply that running any x86 apps reduces resources (and performance) for native apps? If I keep some x86 app running in the background, entire mac is now potentially slower (this might be hard to notice)?

@ThomasGodart 2 ай бұрын

@@CzlowiekImadlo Well, the concern of running x86 is not that it would reduce resources or speed, but that it activates changes on the hardware that would be costly to emulate, like different memory ordering models: "weak" (WO) for ARM and "total store" (TSO) for x86. From Apple documentation about Rosetta: "The system prevents you from mixing arm64 code and x86_64 code in the same process". It's a per core mechanism, not a full CPU one

@Buldak_febreze 2 ай бұрын

Wow, I learned a new thing today. Thanks for sharing this.

@stevenswall 2 ай бұрын

So basically it's going to be dead on arrival because they know how to do it properly but chose not to include the hardware feature that makes Rosetta run well? The more I look into modern laptops the more I think large companies are purposely aiming for user dissatisfaction because they already know they own the market And the barrier for entry is way too high with how complicated things are to integrate and make software for.

@ThomasGodart 2 ай бұрын

@@stevenswall Oh, it's a lot more complex than that. The ARM specification does contain a certain list of features, but Apple has a special agreement with ARM that allows to implement a variation on the base specification. Apple does it in house with high level specialists. So, the special Rosetta mechanism is Apple property and is not known outside of the company... So, no official ARM chip will ever have that kind of feature, unless something comparable is suddenly invented by ARM. What allows Apple to pull that is a special situation that have the company sit in the middle of the 3: hardware/OS/software, and no other company in the world (except maybe Nvidia in a way) is in this situation

@isaacr7416 2 ай бұрын

Cant wait for you to review one dave!!! Wanna see the performance!!

@river. 2 ай бұрын

Build quality, speaker, battery efficiency and marketing

@piyh3962 2 ай бұрын

I made the jump with m1 and enjoy not having candy crush preinstalled on my OS

@sundae1996 2 ай бұрын

@@piyh3962 lmao

@woox200sx 2 ай бұрын

Macbook Trackpad alone is the reason why I'm not going back to Windows laptops.

@lasue7244 2 ай бұрын

@@piyh3962 I got a work macbook and its almost embarrassing how bad the window management is on MacOS. We lose some we gain some

@noot1337 2 ай бұрын

macbooks have mediocre build quality, and have a legacy of poor build quality products since around 2013

@AZisk 2 ай бұрын

Saw the X Elite in person last week and I can say it looks VERY promising.

@OggVorbis69 2 ай бұрын

Do show. And tell

@LampJustin 2 ай бұрын

Any words on Linux support? 😢

@Smt_Glaive 2 ай бұрын

Its ' promising ' ? That the best you got?😂 Cmon man , even things that fail were once 'promising' . Whats your point?

@njpme 2 ай бұрын

@@Smt_Glaivethe point is, it's promising. It's better than the ones in its "level" that are on x86. Why are you mad a future release is promising?

@TamasKiss-yk4st 2 ай бұрын

It's promising, but don't hype it too much, the "out of league" M3 Max benchmarks are also have 78W limitation on CPU side, so it's actually less power limit for the way better result like the 80W X Elite. It's looks good on low frequency, but when the frequency is high, it's looks power hungry (just looks the difference between 23W and 80W benchmark results, to only gain 10% extra performance for 250% extra power consumption is not to nice)

@MrMurl 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for doing what you do so well Dave ❤

@rachit.anurag 2 ай бұрын

The background lighting in this frame is insanely good 🤩

@homidjohn 2 ай бұрын

I can picture the Surface ones having the 8/256gb base configuration for $1,699.

@user-wl8xn5tf3g 2 ай бұрын

Buy a Samsung laptop then. They usually have crazy launch offers and their trade in values are amazing.

@abhishekdhoriyani2312 2 ай бұрын

back to 2010s indeed! 🤣

@chroesu 2 ай бұрын

@@user-wl8xn5tf3g Does Samsung offer a Surface Pro look-a-like? I mean like a real tablet and not this 360 degree versions?

@ramseyrodriguez8515 2 ай бұрын

My biggest concern 😢

@barrierankin2234 2 ай бұрын

I know the pricing for all system and you are all going to be happy

@kamba6447 2 ай бұрын

Great video Dave. Happy to see chips competition. But I'm looking for competition in ecosystems, not in chips or OS. Happy with the Apple ecosystem 'till now, but eager to see a new "as good" ecosystem coming to life

@octorokpie 2 ай бұрын

You know what's better than "ecosystems"? Cross-platform standards. From a consumer perspective, it's ludicrous that features implemented in software should be limited to working between certain devices made by the same company. I don't want to buy a "family" of devices that work together, I want to be able to pick from a wide variety of competing products in each category (phone, desktop, laptop, watch, etc) for what fits my needs best in each, without being kneecapped by arbitrary incompatibility. Even if I have the same needs as you in a computer, I might need something different in my phone. With ecosystem logic, I have to compromise on either the phone or the computer just to have fast file transfers or high quality messaging.

@sunkanmiotitolaye1353 2 ай бұрын

Dave2D!!!!! You're the man of the year!! Cant wait for your review when it comes out!

@Denver_tld 2 ай бұрын

Nice haircut Dave! Love your content

@serialtoon 2 ай бұрын

I dont know if i watch Dave for his tech analysis or to see what new hair style hes rocking.

@zerocal76 2 ай бұрын

Hey Dave, it would be fair if you mentioned that the Pro X became a good device after some updates. And imo, it was important to get ARM dev for W going since ppl showed excitement for it. But what do I know, you're the tech guy 😄 Thanks for the content btw 👍

2 ай бұрын

I'm excited to see the Mac mini and studio versions of it. I'll switch back to windows in a heartbeat

@someshwarrao42 2 ай бұрын

You better keep this video title man. A/B testing spicy KZfaq titles is wild.

@SuperSocks7 2 ай бұрын

this is excellent for one main reason. If these chips blow up enough, to the point we start seeing desktop versions that are viable, support will start flooding in, which in the long run will mean bootcamp for M series macbooks. I cannot wait to bootcamp my macbook pro.

@fabien6198 2 ай бұрын

I also thought about it !!

@_sparrowhawk Ай бұрын

Or... you can spend $70 and just run parallels on it right now and get excellent results. Everything you want on the Mac already exists.

@SuperSocks7 Ай бұрын

@@_sparrowhawk doesn't fix the fact that windows ARM is complete ass, with terrible support. If it starts to get used in genuinely popular devices, support and stability for the software will increase, and as such make it much more viable for real world use. The issue isn't the existence, its the support. edit: also, actually viable parallels with the ability to make use of the power of an M series chip, is £100 a year, the default option is not suitable for any real load bearing uses. Until then i have no choice but to keep my windows laptop about.

@AmieWea 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for being vocal about the pricing.

@skytechfreak 2 ай бұрын

Dave looking forward to your take on the new HP Omen Transcend 14 - hope you're gonna be covering that soon!

@amanpanchal6500 2 ай бұрын

If it all works with emulation and all, even close to 50% of what apple is doing currently with their laptops, it'll be great! and pricing can really make or break this as you said in the video.

@pouf-dk3nq 2 ай бұрын

i care about few things : 1- Pricing, if its as bad as Apple's then there's absolutely no reason to not buy a macbook instead. 2- Good linux support, i definitely need that. Perhaps there will be snapdragon chromebooks which means linux support will be great. Nice video dave, straight to the point.

@haakon_b 2 ай бұрын

Windows laptops are not cheaper than comparable MacBooks. You just don’t get the low-end stuff from Apple. XPS, Spectre, etc. cost even more than the Macs.

@user-wl8xn5tf3g 2 ай бұрын

Linux support is almost a given

@marvinfollero846 2 ай бұрын

@@haakon_bright, I was looking around to get a windows laptop but damn business grade laptops are so expensive but still looks cheap, runs hot, and terrible battery life. I went with an M2 air instead. Won't be coming back to windows until they're on par with the M series

@minciNashu 2 ай бұрын

@@haakon_b maybe when it comes to build quality and finish, but you don't really need an XPS in order to get top internals, i.e. a maxed out i9 CPU and beefy graphics.

@nishantrajani7372 2 ай бұрын

@@minciNashu but you do need to utilize those internals, if I'm buying a laptop I want a good screen, speakers, build quality, and even the lightness. I travel while working a lot and I can't always carry around a screen and the battery life becomes more important also the thing I can't understand with majority of windows laptop is not letting you use full power of the device if its not plugged in even when i change the power settings so hopefully this changes that with the system not requiring that much power to begin with

@illuminati229 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to these chips! It has to be a seamless experience to the end user though. If there are tons of application incompatiblities, it will be DOA again. Hopefully that emulation works as well as they hope!

@B14-fm8df 2 ай бұрын

Keep it up good work nice video topic thanks for the wonderful video 🙏

@dgsprysoup 2 ай бұрын

Dave, the TDPs are calculated by Qualcomm as the total device power draw. 23W TDP refers to the entire system draw including a display, speakers, keyboard and more. Same for the 80W, so hoping for a fanless version to replace my MacBook Air!

@DanSwain 2 ай бұрын

I really want a fanless touchscreen windows surface laptop ideally with 5g modem integrated.

@SyRose901 2 ай бұрын

@@DanSwain It kinda sucks that Microsoft axed the Android app stuff, that would have been awesome with touchscreen laptops had it been continued.

@eulehund99 2 ай бұрын

@@SyRose901the Android Subsystem on Windows sucked because the App Store was that of Amazon. I have never seen a more trash looking UI than that thing. If Microsoft adds APKs to their own store and you're able to download them directly, it would've been a hit.

@thomasfowler2099 2 ай бұрын

He probably knows that already, dude’s an engineer

@chroesu 2 ай бұрын

@@DanSwain That's the Surface Pro X for me. Just put this great chip into the 2019 thin body and it's a no-brainer for me 😅 I hope this thing is worth the hype.

@ricky8046 2 ай бұрын

I am still using my Surface Pro X(SQ1, 8GB ram) daily. It works fine for my web dev job. Edge, Zoom, Teams, VS Code all runs great. STILL no Slack and Discord ARM64 version. I use the web version of these and use the "Install this site as an App" feature in Edge.

@chroesu 2 ай бұрын

Same for me. At one point I startet to use it as a Chrome-... I mean Edgebook. Works great to this day. I hope they make a new version, which is thin like the Surface Pro X.

@alertsemail7057 2 ай бұрын

x64 emulation in Windows 11 for almost all games is basically flawless; The problem comes from GPU drivers and kernel level anticheat stuff.

@ReavenZero 2 ай бұрын

Which games? 2D Indie Titles? Runescape? :')

@javiergarrote5048 2 ай бұрын

@@ReavenZeroEstimated about 2.8-5.2 Tflops so about a low end graphics card

@dreadlord2704san 2 ай бұрын

There's cyberpunk that runs 30fps+ through emulation on a snapdragon smartphone. So a laptop should be able to handle it.

@tom_marsden 2 ай бұрын

Windows has had x64 support for almost 20 years.

@theworldoffun8997 2 ай бұрын

Qualcomm has already made an announcment that ARM64EC apps will have drivers and OS stuff as native and everything emulated

@matzebraun 2 ай бұрын

Much better hair 😅 thanks for your great videos!!!

@Sutanreyu 2 ай бұрын

Windows RT was a thing way back in 2012. I was really hoping it would have taken off from that point, so that we’d have powerful desktop ARM chips today. Kind of a bummer; but now we may have a new chance with these Qualcomm chips if they do well.

@lesleyhaan116 2 ай бұрын

So sad that it took Apples M1 chips to change Microsoft let them take ARM more serious

@feederbrian9457 2 ай бұрын

I remember trying to edit on a windows laptop and wondering why on earth the performance went down, then learning that it gets kneecapped without the wall plug. In my mind, that’s hilariously absurd. The M1 Max not only blew everything I’ve tried out of the water, but I got full performance and exceptional battery life. Apple proved you CAN have your cake and eat it too. I’m skeptical that Windows with its fragmentation between x86 and ARM architectures, NVIDIA, AMD and now Intel’s accelerators can offer what a MacBook offers for creative workflows.

@vidaworksout 2 ай бұрын

Yeah if they have the plugged in limitation still it may be a hard sell.

@torpedospurs 2 ай бұрын

The drop in performance is due to having to save battery. Fix the processor efficiency and there's no need for it. Some manufacturers decided not to do it anyway even with X86. Let's see how the new ARM Windows devices do it.

@macbugde 2 ай бұрын

@@torpedospursit’s mostly the GPU though

@LogicalError007 2 ай бұрын

You don't know how to remove the power limitation when not plugged? It's by design.

@mihirojha4475 2 ай бұрын

If you get the newer Zen 4 AMD Phoenix CPU laptops then this isn't an issue. The R7 7840HS and R9 7940HS perform almost the same on battery and while plugged in and give you great battery life for a Windows machine. Of course, in terms of battery life, portability (they come in gaming laptops, which are of course heavier) and speakers and stuff the Mac takes the cake.

@willfancher9775 2 ай бұрын

Windows emulation also does translation to native arm code. But they haven't (at least not yet) had the hardware support Rosetta has. It's a very small hardware feature, but Apple Silicon can flip a switch that makes the memory ordering (part of the optimization within the chip that lets things execute out of order) behave like x86. Makes the chip a bit slower, but without it you have to insert tons of extra instructions to emulate the same effect. Making the chip slightly slower that way is way better than having to insert all those extra instructions, which is why Rosetta is so much better than Windows' x86 emulation

@iyadahmed3773 2 ай бұрын

Also a note on emulation is that hopefully it can improve in the future even near future, I really like the "blink" virtual machine project that is able to get emulate x86 code, and the program is only like 200KB even less, and is a single file, hopefully the future of programming is more efficient

@festivitycat 2 ай бұрын

Any progress in Windows Arm development/ports will open up opportunities for Apple 'power users' too. I'm a Mac person, but came from a Windows background and still need certain Windows apps (and, let's be honest, games). Parallels lets me run Win 11 on top of macOS to access that good stuff, but only where Arm ports exist.

@dominant2576 2 ай бұрын

Love the og hair being back!

@jrmoulton 2 ай бұрын

For most apps, building for ARM just requires specifying the target as arm and recompiling. Unless an app has a lot of hand written x86 assembly (most don't) it's trivial to do. Distribution might be complicated but it's easily worth it if people are going to download it.

@niamhleeson3522 Ай бұрын

If you're relying on sequentially consistent atomic memory ordering that's another thing you might need to change to get good performance out of Arm.

@devinthreethousand 2 ай бұрын

I've had the chance to experience the X Elite platform first hand and let me just say I am SO excited. I am all about efficiency!! One correction though is the wattage is not the TDP of the CPU - it's total system power. This means the CPU itself is using much less power (on those reference designs some of them are 23ish watts for total system power)

@AlexFoo89 2 ай бұрын

can you 'loan' the E Elite and perform a typical day's task and publish it for us? Those typical 20 chrome tabs, video calls, office tasks, these real footage along with realistic battery life are what people need to press the buy button coming this June. Those TDP confusion will be immediately vanished when they see a real recording like this.

@devinthreethousand 2 ай бұрын

@@AlexFoo89 believe me I have been trying! Hopefully soon

@LastUnicorn Ай бұрын

Would you make a video showing the apps/programs that you have on your computer? It would be great to see what you think is worthwhile and it felt reassuring to see some things that I have on my computer in the quick scroll through that you did when talking about things not designed for arm

@crikxouba 2 ай бұрын

So nearly four years in, and the competition hasn't even half caught up with Apple's architecture

@MichaelBertolino 2 ай бұрын

Wow! These numbers are impressive! Finally some competition in the space!

@w0by 2 ай бұрын

I had a MacBook with the M1, the fans never turned on and it always stayed cold to the touch. It was amazing with that.

@anderbeau 2 ай бұрын

Love the fresh new intro… and the hair… thank god 😂

@dannymartial7997 2 ай бұрын

Can’t wait for ARM to be the default for software. Until then, I don’t want to deal with compatibility issues and emulation.

@test-ve6wg 2 ай бұрын

It's hard to say this tbh, x86_64 software has been a big deal and just giving up on that platform means a heck ton of legacy software will be deprecated, this means a lot of servers around the world will still run x86 chips just to support these legacy software. So I don't think x86_64 will be replaced. Modern software for the common man will just have ARM versions is all, what MacOS does anyways. And most developers won't spend all that time and money just porting their software to a new instruction set, it's hard, so you'll still have to deal with emulation and compatibility issues; esp. with games where a lot of specific instructions are used(take a look at RDR2, probably the only limitation to porting it to MacOS ARM is just the specific x86 instructions they use to optimise). This means a great loss of userbase, but big devs can manage it, indie devs cannot. So Emulation and Compatibility is gonna be a big problem for ARM laptops, even in the late future.

@IceBlueLugia 2 ай бұрын

ARM is the future for the average person. It’ll suck transitioning everything over but it’s for the best

@milesfarber 2 ай бұрын

Enjoy your locked down bootloader.

@xyz-ml9ff 2 ай бұрын

Why?

@haomingli6175 2 ай бұрын

@@test-ve6wg if you don't use low-level optimization like rdr2, then your software should be easy to port, as soon as the underlying toolchain is ported, then your software can be recompiled.

@alessio4761 2 ай бұрын

If the chip is powerfull while being eficient Valve should maybe consider to build a ARM based Steam Deck

@funzzz 2 ай бұрын

curious what video you are using to stream. Beautiful and crisp.

@tristanlaffont5483 25 күн бұрын

Love the video, I was just wondering what watch you have on?

@axa993 2 ай бұрын

I appreciate you not going for that 10 minute mark or whatnot. Bless you. Great content.

@Neekzu 2 ай бұрын

I am waiting for the Yakuza2D era

@warren_r 2 ай бұрын

W I D E D A V E

@navdeepsingh1659 Ай бұрын

Hi Dave, hope you're doing great! Could you please make a video with the laptops with best keyboards! ❤

@rainbow_mess 2 ай бұрын

I have a lenovo 10w (snapdragon windows) and other than the performance it's awesome. Very excited to see the performance catch up :)

@michaelbarajas6204 2 ай бұрын

Won't fix Windows terrible sleep performance, you will still find your laptop battery is dead randomly after sitting in your backpack. Linus did a whole video on this and my HP Elitebook still dies randomly 2 years later.

@TheFPSPower 2 ай бұрын

that is 50/50 blame of the pc manufacturer and Windows, I know HP sucks balls with this but Lenovo for example has worked very well for me, I've done 2 weeks vacation coming back to an 80% full laptop still sleeping. HP Doesn't last 48h, it's amazing how bad they are.

@adrianw519 2 ай бұрын

It does not, my laptop only drops 3% battery over night. Lol

@KhanhDinh291 2 ай бұрын

@@adrianw519 thats when sleep works. the problem is they dont always work

@Infinity_Ghost 2 ай бұрын

just dont buy hp bro. My mom got an hp elitebook from work and this happens to her aswell. Full charge, and then next day when she gets to work the laptop is dead. It doesn't happen to me with my dell, so maybe hp is to blame in this case (though windows is BS and we're aware of their random bugs)

@adrianw519 2 ай бұрын

@@KhanhDinh291 works fine for me, never got any of those bugs :/

@idka4523 2 ай бұрын

I need to replace my travel laptop that's 7 years old. I keep getting drawn towards apple, but it's apple... why is it so hard for a Windows machine to match its performance and battery life?????

@TechPhotoGames 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to this big shift in Win 11 and gaming - would love to get this class into an enterprise as a premium option! Also interested to see M4 coming soon!

@imarchit 2 ай бұрын

I played Control recently, happy to see it here.

@simaknaveedakther8755 2 ай бұрын

That game is trash

@Notunes 2 ай бұрын

I was too early, dave wasn't even in the frame

@AndrewPL5 2 ай бұрын

the fuck you early to? my god you people just seem like bots. grow up and touch some grass.

@MrThebadger200 2 ай бұрын

Here’s the thing about the M3 Max, it’s a 60W chip. Qualcomm can’t even beat it at 80W. And the M3 Pro is holding its own at way less power draw than both of them.

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

Love my M3 pro 16” MBP! Wouldn’t change a single thing about it ❤

@Lee.S321 2 ай бұрын

Benchmarks don't mean a lot. When the new laptops are released we'll have a better idea how they compare.

@exponentialdongexpansion5223 2 ай бұрын

The m3 pro is a 27w chip. Honestly I don't think the point was ever to compete with apples max chips, this is a first year product. These act as a windows competitor across the board to apples offerings, something that I would absolutely take over the entirety of macos to have a little less efficiency.

@crestofhonor2349 2 ай бұрын

The thing is that I beleive the 80w and 23w measurements are for the entire system not the TDP of the chip

@Ritik03148 2 ай бұрын

I can guarantee u one thing Thats definitely not the case @@crestofhonor2349

@ATShields935 2 ай бұрын

Dave, your camera looks extra crispy today.

@rocker10039 2 ай бұрын

I hope that modularity of laptops doesn't end with x86. I wanna see "extensions" on a base chip. If that makes sense? I don't know if it's possible to make ram in an SoC while also having a similar system to DRAM. and having the possibility of extending the storage because even 1 tb is too little for me. I have a 1tb + 4tb stick on my laptop and I wouldn't trade anything for it.

@jivewig 2 ай бұрын

Seems like Upgradeability and Energy efficiency are mutually exclusive. I don’t think the new ARM windows laptops will have any slotted RAM.

@PSYCHOV3N0M 2 ай бұрын

That would absolutely SUCK!!!

@buttercrazy30 2 ай бұрын

Definitely wont it will most likely go down the apple route soldered RAM and storage

@jivewig 2 ай бұрын

@@buttercrazy30 oh hell naa not soldered storage. I’m ripping apart every nand chips from the motherboard if they go the soldered route.

@AshtonSnapp 2 ай бұрын

Fuck that. I want upgradeability AND energy efficiency. If companies are saying they’re mutually exclusive then they’re lazy.

@thenachotech 2 ай бұрын

hopefully at least the SSD is removable, but even that is a stretch.

@frankyb702 2 ай бұрын

Finally good hair is back

@Mr.Quinlan888 2 ай бұрын

Glad to see you FINALLY cut that Mad Scientist mullet or whatever the hell you were going for. Good stuff as usual Dave.

@Prissom 2 ай бұрын

I wish you uploaded more D:

@brianlovelace 2 ай бұрын

If this makes it into Framework, I'll definitely be swapping my board out.

@dylanevans5644 2 ай бұрын

I can't see Framework managing to put an entirely different architecture into the exact same board design, but I am totally here for it if they do.

@CyanRooper 2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't a product like this go against what Framework stands for? Not having upgradeable RAM or storage options isn't what Framework is about.

@haomingli6175 2 ай бұрын

I think users of framework will generally hate it when you can't have removable ram and ssd. don't know if framework will make them swappable for arm-based chips.

@alexandruilea915 2 ай бұрын

@@CyanRooperfixed ram is fine in a phone or laptop as long as a big enough memory option is available for a cheap price. For example, I don't mind soldered ram on my Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro because I got 32GB of DDR5, a 1TB storage SSD and a ryzen 7 7840 for a price tag under 1000 USD. I actually got mine for 800 which is an awesome deal for a programming laptop.

@invizii2645 2 ай бұрын

As far as I know, Qualcomm doesn't have the ram and storage in their SoC in their mobile chips, so I doubt they will add them to their laptop ones. That's just something Apple does on their M series chips.

@LeeJoRo 2 ай бұрын

Love my 14in M1 (first Mac I've owned)

@user-wl8xn5tf3g 2 ай бұрын

I like mine too. But I wish I never bought it and kept my $3000.

@LeeJoRo 2 ай бұрын

@@user-wl8xn5tf3g I paid around £1600 with 32gb ram upgrade My previous laptop was a refurbished windows laptop - it lasted about 3 years

@dmug 2 ай бұрын

The modern surface ARM CPU laptops have a NVMe slot that’s upgradable.

@Buster475 2 ай бұрын

Wow, Dave's hair look amazing today!

@lebaminhquang 2 ай бұрын

Hope Qualcomm delivers this time

@rbnhd 2 ай бұрын

Clicked for the style, stayed for the content.

@DH-tt6gc 2 ай бұрын

New hair cut is much better. Great vid

@glomslevikarical 2 ай бұрын

They need a built in data option. Would be nice to be able to always be connected to an internet source.

@YuJinChia 2 ай бұрын

Baking on storage would be a dealbreaker for me. It's not the lack of upgrading that's the issue - it's the fact that all flash goes bad with usage. I don't care if it's a $200 Chromebook, but this doesn't sound like that kind of product.

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

Unless you’re using it to crunch data continuously an NVMe drive will outlast the rest of the hardware unless it malfunctions for another reason other than usage.

@YuJinChia 2 ай бұрын

@@ElDiablo-sv2nn depends on the drive, but I have had SSDs fail with normal usage after 10 years - not abusing them.

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

@@YuJinChia surely you would upgrade in a 10 year time frame?

@YuJinChia 2 ай бұрын

@@ElDiablo-sv2nn I personally? Yeah because I'm a gamer. But a lot of people don't.

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

@@YuJinChia your cpu would be way behind by that point. So unless you’re using a custom built ‘laptop’ then you’d have the same problem whichever laptop you go for. GPU isn’t replaceable in laptops either…

@hennessylieu 2 ай бұрын

I never like Apple one bit, but their M1 get me into their eco system, long battery life and good performance editing on the go. If WINDOW play nice with Adobe and force dev move to ARM chip then I would still stick to Window device. M14 Pro M2 max a power house editing on the go and single USB C 100w charger, I prefer compact and long lasting battery, even I don't do alot editing it battery can last up to 2 - 3 days web browser useage.

@thebeanstalker631 2 ай бұрын

True, I'm not an apple fan but the m series are undeniable. I don't even recommend windows laptops to most people anymore. Only reason I'll recommend windows is gaming.

@64bitmodels66 2 ай бұрын

@@thebeanstalker631 if you want to game you'd be better off buying one of those portable gaming pcs than buying a laptop, they're way too bulky and large

@EJYu 2 ай бұрын

4:07 What is this? Emulation performance... for what? Rendering times in Premiere? :o

@sinongmakulet 2 ай бұрын

If the price is good. I then remembered Justin Long's commercial Mac vs. PC ad.

@deneguil-1618 2 ай бұрын

something i repeat a lot in regard to the reported wattage of the X elite, qualcomm is giving the entire device tdp not just the chip itself, so the 24w one is including the high resolution oled display, ram and ssd, the CPU itself is probably closer to 10w performance on Linux is also stellar, probably due to linux having an older ARM build, like the 15k of the 80w X elite in geekbench becomes 17.3k MT, and 3.3k ST. really exciting stuff and i'm definitely getting one to tinker around with edit to add more thoughts: the ram is most likely going to be soldered down, except if they adopt CAMM2 modules but i doubt it. the X Elite supports up to LPDDR5X 8547, it's just way too fast to ignore, especially with how fast the NPU is as well, tho a wider bus would be good to squeeze even more performance from it

@Jesus_Christ_loves_you_alot 2 ай бұрын

This comment should be pinned

@juntawflo 2 ай бұрын

Nop you are wrong , I’ve seen their demo and they didn’t even have a chassis for the 80w chip , it was on a board with a huge cooler. Their 80w X elite is comparable to the M2 pro (27w). The X elite has 12 performance cores (no efficiency cores), so I’m curious to see the first real test

@kylenelson944 2 ай бұрын

Yeah having to pump 80w through the chip to match an M3 pro is the opposite of efficiency

@nishant5655 2 ай бұрын

😅

@BigBoss7777777 2 ай бұрын

The 23 watt Snapdragon outperforms the regular M3 by 15%.

@jc_dogen 2 ай бұрын

that's not the chip by itself

@Codyslx 2 ай бұрын

That's the entire device power usage, not the processor itself.

@christopherfortineux6937 2 ай бұрын

yuh because the few Watts used by everything else makes that big of a difference. You are comparing two things without dedicated gpus etc. @@Codyslx

@Godly-editz-gold 2 ай бұрын

I also agree I got the MacBook Air M1 due to the speakers the form factor and {the battery}

@greendro6410 2 ай бұрын

Great video 👍

@LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS 2 ай бұрын

Windows has a very slight Bluetooth delay with AirPods that isn’t present on Mac OS. It drove me nuts when trying to switch from mac

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

This sucks. I tried to use my AirPods for a Teams meeting when my headset ran out of juice and felt like my brain was a second behind 😂😂

@IceBlueLugia 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s atrocious. I thought it was just me

@DS-pk4eh 2 ай бұрын

Its maybe because of Apple? Because I used at least 7 different bluetooth headsets, never had that problem. Apple is known to make their devices not working well with other devices.

@-Burb 2 ай бұрын

I haven’t had an issue with Bluetooth delay before using mine with non-Apple devices, but I’ve definitely noticed the microphone sounds absolutely horrendous when using them on windows discord. Fortunately I have an actual headset in my pc most of the time but it’s a bit annoying when I’m not at home.

@LIFEOFSTUFFEDANIMALS 2 ай бұрын

When I say delay I mean 180ms. I’m really sensitive I know… It was very slight, but apparently it’s as good as it gets with Bluetooth. Apple has delay but they compensate with media by delaying the video to match audio. It’s literally 0ms on KZfaq. It’s why zoom still has delay on my Mac because the video is live and cannot be delayed. There is no way to sync video and audio on windows like Mac.

@kyber.octopus 2 ай бұрын

What about Linux? Can you put any Linux OS on these machines?

@MammothBehemoth 2 ай бұрын

You can put Linux on almost anything. Chrome OS and Android and other mobile OS offshoots are Linux based afterall. There are traditional distros for Arm as well, I think I saw Arch Linux, Ubuntu, Fedora, and some other distros

2 ай бұрын

There are already plenty of distributions that make an ARM version, just think all the different ones that people put on raspberry-pi. They do have the problem of having way less software options out of the box, many can be just compiled with a different target and should work, but that still will leave a good number of packages that will need modifications to run. For the most part day to day things should work, plenty of user friendly distributions like Ubuntu should work and cover many, many cases but probably not all of them.

@christopherfortineux6937 2 ай бұрын

the distros with ARM versions are like puppy dog linux no one is going to use thaton these.@

@APOWER385 2 ай бұрын

You can even put Linux on a toaster

@ATShields935 2 ай бұрын

@Dave2D With the coming of ARM-based Windows Computers, and with the Google Play Store getting a fuller release on Windows, are we about to see the start of ARM gaming on Windows?

@nitrobear 2 ай бұрын

ARM emulation on windows will store the translated code of the app on cache for faster execution on next launches, please correct that

@JessicaFEREM 2 ай бұрын

I hope microsoft didn't sign an exclusivity agreement with quallcomm again. that's the main reason why windows ARM has not taken off, because quallcomm-based windows laptop are all slow, don't have good compatibility, and are expensive compared to the x86 or even apple competition.

@tanmaypanadi1414 2 ай бұрын

only reason Qualcomm agreed to the exclusivity is because unlike apple and its army of operating system engineers. they need software devs to support and make operating systems work on it.

@LAFadhel 2 ай бұрын

About to Ram & Storage Configuration. I doubt manufacturers would take that risk, there is going to be secondary storage drives 100%. If not, I'd just go Mac/Framework. Especially with the pricing.

@andyH_England 2 ай бұрын

RAM will be soldered as they are using LPDDR5X which does not come in a modular form. Also, ARM is basically a smartphone-based chip and they all have soldered storage, so why does that need to change. Many flagship phones will cost as much as these X Elite laptops and no one complains they have soldered storage. So I think that although it is possible to have modular storage, the expense of not having them on-chip, added to a chip already likely to cost $250-$300 would be a bad choice. That is why MS is now using Core Ultra in their business machines as they can use modular SSDs for end-of-life security, and they will use X Elite for only consumers. So you can buy Framework, but that in the UK costs more than most premium laptops so is a poor choice for 99% of potential buyers.

@LAFadhel 2 ай бұрын

@@andyH_England comparing the storage of a phone to a laptop is a poor comparison. Most storage is used by Photos, which most eventually upload to the cloud anyway. But when it comes to files that are 5, 10, 20 ,50, or even 100GB in size. It adds up and it sucks. Also, Framework is just my choice of Windows laptop. Not a suggestion.

@Anti3D-0 2 ай бұрын

@@andyH_England phones are extremely limited in internal space so soldered storage is simply unavoidable. Most laptops don't have this problem

@eli2210 2 ай бұрын

Steam deck introduced me to Linux and I’ve been loving it and actually wanting to use it for work. The Oled screen helps being able to see more stuff on documents and it runs so much smoother. It is also very power efficient especially when it doesn’t have so many random resources consuming your power without you knowing

@RajatSony 2 ай бұрын

Dave's new Haircut is lit 🙀

@baldap500 2 ай бұрын

Anyone else misses the old studio with the lightsaber in the back?

@ElDiablo-sv2nn 2 ай бұрын

Never owned a MacBook until the silicon series CPU’s. Absolute game changer, unrivalled performance to energy ratio’s. A powerful machine that doesn’t need to be constantly plugged in, what’s not to love 😎

@dalmolinable 2 ай бұрын

if it all lines up consistently like dave's hair, this is gonna be very nice

@ahmedog219 2 ай бұрын

This guy deserves more than 5M subs! And I got Zenbook OLED 15.6'' and I am super happy with both performance and efficiency.

@andrewdunbar828 2 ай бұрын

Technically Rosetta *is* emulation. A translation layer is a way to do emulation. Rosetta does it very well. It does both ahead-of-time and just-in-time. Microsoft also had ahead-of-time translation for their x86 emulation on ARM, but they did it much worse than Rosetta did it.

@destructodisk9074 2 ай бұрын

Hmm, going by the benchmark charts.. The processor they haven't released yet, seems to only tie last year's M3 Pro but it has to use more than double the power to do that (80W). At the 23W spec, the future Snapdragon is handily defeated by the similar Watt (28W on full load) M3 Pro. The base M3 GPU nearly matching the 80W Snapdragon is a crying shame. Now you can call the M3 Max "a different class of chip", maybe because they only make it available on higher class machines (but in order to make that argument you would first have to see what machines the 80W Snapdragon is on)? But the fact is, the M3 Max runs 54W on full load. So it is a 50W class ARM chip, completely moping the floor with an 80W ARM chips. That Max chip will be a year old by the time Snapdragon brings their offering to market, so by my count Qualcomm is still more than one generation behind on performance. Qualcomm is talking big about how they can bring Apple level power efficiency to Windows devices. I hate to break it to them, but the closest competitor on Apple's end to the 80W Elite, is the 90W Ultra series of Apple silicon. That is 4x the benched performance of the Elite. And yeah that is just the on paper bench. Not counting how Apple hardware and OS are designed in tandem, and how well third party and first party software runs. Compared to Window's horrible record with ARM and their focus on x86. I hope more devs make native ARM stuff for Windows, but only time will show, hardware alone can't fix that. As it sits, all I see is marketing fluff, with Qualcomm still several generations behind on power efficiency, and a total non competitor when it comes to on chip GPU.. Intel, AMD, and Apple all put them to shame.

@garbagecollector64 2 ай бұрын

Is ARM even something that is worth switching to or is Apple just better at making efficient CPUs and they could have easily done it on x86 instead. Or is it a combination of ARM being more efficient and Apple making better CPUs that makes M-series so much better.

@destructodisk9074 2 ай бұрын

@@garbagecollector64 Well, ARM has always been pretty efficient since its inception. There is a funny story of the developers showing off the chip back in the day. It was working but it seemed to be performing very slowly. It was a live demo so it was a little embarrassing. Then someone noticed they forgot to connect the chip's power.. turns out it was running off the residual power flowing through the motherboard the whole time. So in the end it kinda worked in their favor, showing off the incredible power efficiency of the chips. As far as Snapdragons, they are generally more power efficient than an x86 chip that has equal performance, but Qualcomm hasn't figured out how to get to either Apple's power efficiency or their performance level. The Elites seem to be more of the same. They will be good for non power users, in a laptop. But they won't be able to keep up with powerful AMD, Apple, or even Intel APUs on higher end machines. So if these new ARM chips are successful, the consumer will have 3 main options. 1. ARM chips with good battery life and access to much of the deep Windows software library, but unable to run heavy programs 2. x86 Chips with very bad battery life, but the most complete software library on any platform, and the ability to run heavy programs. 3. Apple chips that can run heavy programs and have excellent battery life, but the user is limited to a much smaller software library.

@iowawalker 2 ай бұрын

A first-generation chip that is still not on sale, running on a very open, ambiguous and flexible operating system, loses to a third-generation in-house chip, running on an operation system that is carefully tailored for a specific, very narrow set of hardware. What a surprise! I know that end user doesn't care about anything. But that doesn't make the comparison fair in any way.

@destructodisk9074 2 ай бұрын

@@iowawalker I think it is just a hard pill to swallow, since the first generation Apple PC chips blew everyone out of the water, meanwhile Qualcomm has been doing PC ARM chips for like a decade, and now they say they are really gonna bring on the heat with these new chips... only to be years behind as always. The sad part is even if you paired these benchmarks up with Apple's 4 year old 1st generation ARM PC chips, the Elites still lose by a wide margin on both performance and efficiency. 1st gen or not, they had 4 years to at least catch up and make a splash, but they haven't even caught up to 2020 yet. You want power, go x86. You want power efficiency, you go Apple silicon. You want neither, and a buggy software experience, I guess Snapdragon is the way to go. It's really disparaging, because I want my Windows devices to have good ARM options, but it seems it isn't going to happen. These new chips will be great for Chromebooks though, I guess.

@iowawalker 2 ай бұрын

@@destructodisk9074 The only way M1 surprised anyone is by not being a total slouch. Its efficiency comes more from optimizing the operating system than from the hardware itself. There are tons of reasons for ARM to not be anything monumental on Windows. First one being that Windows itself is insanely complicated code-wise, and re-writing and optimizing everything for ARM would be neither viable nor achievable. Then there's financial stimuli for developing cutting-edge ARM CPUs, or rather lack thereof. There are people who will not just make peace with imperfections of first gen ARM CPUs, because, unlike Apple consumers, you can always buy a different machine. You wouldn't find yourself in a situation where your only option for a PC platform is an ARM model. Then there are limits of semiconductor waffer production. Apple bought out all orders for 3nm chips from TSMC for 2023. How can you compete, if you aren't able to put fair prices on your ARM chips, because you can't physically meet all the demand? Apple has money and a fanbase. PC market doesn't have that. There's competition and making a wrong choice cost you a lot of money and reputation. Maybe for most people, Apple laptop would be the best choice. But I appreciate the effort of PC manufacturers for keeping up with the industry, considering the circumstances they are working in, and I will pay for an inferior product if it means not paying Tim Cook and pushing his ideals forward.

@RobertDunn310 2 ай бұрын

I don't know if this video was made before the news came out, but now there is a native ARM version of Google Chrome for Windows on ARM, and that is a huge deal.