Ok, this should have like thousands of likes! OMG!! 🤣🤣🤣

@@CamilleGG451 XD

Well that would destroy the plot if they did that

Well my father didn’t even intend to participate so it’s kind of asinine.

If neither of them can raise the dead, do they both lose? Surely that's the sign to get the hell out, well that and it being any form of organised religion.

Mr.Retardo could’ve never convinced me about his messiah BS but would’ve definitely lost me @“remain celibate while I pound ya wife” lol

Yea thats definetly gonna be an ass whoopin when someone trys to come at me with that b.s. lol

Mike Greives cognitive dissonance is really powerful

K then... -karesh 's followers

These people are called idiots, they are all over the world. You just have to find them, put them all together in one place and bingo: You have our own sect or religion.

Oh god.

“fun fact” you and I have very different definitions of fun💀

😶

Not the most terrying thing but k

@@ember-evergarden cringe

That sounds…unsettling. Good for your dad for getting away.

This comment deserves more attention

One of his followers discussed this tactic in the A and E documentary. Do you know the technical term for this technique?

Sounds like David Koresh was manic. A little lithium or Depakote will fix him right up.

@@stevenmartinek815 lol I doubt you can call anyone on lithium or depakote "fixed up". Zombified if you're lucky.

Ha, you don't say?

Dude looks exactly like Koresh an uncanny resemblance

Thank you for posting this. Unlike the first commentor, I haven’t seen the miniseries and was taken aback by the first picture. Literally came down to the comments to see if anyone else commented about the similarity. Saved me from looking stupid. Definitely going to look into the show. 👍🏻

@@mogwai247 It covers Ruby Ridge as well if your interested

I watched that miniseries. He’s buried in Tyler Texas where I live

Oh they did, they just came out in body bags.

I see what you did there

More like ' Whacko'.

They (atf/fbi) were supposedly still shooting at the people inside as the fire burned (according to eyewitness testimony)

@@chrisshutt3607 Not surprised, people lose it...

Probably don't drop out.

Maybe you're the next messiah:)

As long as you don't believe in Sky daddy, nobody has anything to worry about.

No be smart go to college get a real education! Make big money & you don't need to be a self proclaimed profit! Which is just a path to tragedy all the way around! 😲😲😲😲😲😲

Transfer now to Mount Carmel seminary school. I believe they still have a few openings.

There was also M60 pattons

He didn't say M1. He said Abrams.

@@bluekestral8316 M572 Combat Engineering Vehicle, not an M60. Same hull, different turret and armament. Also, an M88 Tank Recovery Vehicle; based on the M60 hull.

And magically 3 different tapes of the front door confrontation, which would clearly show who shot first...."disappeared". What are the odds?

@@theshocker4626 About the same as Epstein's security cameras all malfunctioning.

It's called not wanting a gun battle in public streets.

@@randomlyentertaining8287 There wouldnt have been one. Koresh went to town alone or only with a couple of people. He kept the rest of the flock isolated back at the compound. The best way to avoid a gun battle would have been to nab him while he was in town.

@@theshocker4626 In the movie, it looked like the ATF ran directly into a firing line where the first Agents were killed. And you use chemical weapons in an enclosed space during an inversion; poking holes in a building with high wind is how to flame a building. There were recordings that were later produced that clearly showed that the Branch Davidians set the fires themselves, but hopefully lessons were learned as a lot of innocent people perished in the blaze.

Charles Romero Great point!

Why not? Please stop ruining my plans as I am wearing them. You can't tell me I am not messiah because of it. 🤓

(S)He might, if (s)he wanted to look smarter

What if it's for a Clark Kent kind of thing?

And humanity needs to save itself anyway

LMAAAAAAAO

God pulled the plug on that divine arrangement

@@kiiltochii1607 lol nice

Could be the parents arrangement.....The true test is Continuing to have faith in God after miscarrying or other tragedies such as deaths. Having the strength in your faith when you are low, instead of blaming God or losing faith.

@@lonismith6491 I think it's more about biology than faith. At 60, most women will miscarry. Perhaps a bit of intelligence could be mixed in with faith.

I doubt that she was ever pregnant at all. She was in her 60s!

boomerhgt yes and their info was bogus

There was also a lot of stupidity in that church as well

I remember this. One of the main problems was the Attorney General, Janet Reno's, total incompetence. She should never have been involved in this operation. Clinton made it a goal to appoint a lot of women to positions in his administration, more than one of them, such as Zoe Baird and Lani Guinier proved not to be qualified, and were rather quickly replaced. Reno, unfortunately, was not, and caved to pressure from Clinton to end the standoff, and that proved disastrous. It was also Attorney General Reno who threatened legal action against banks that refused to sell low interest mortgages to high risk people, who were often minorities, on the premise that not doing so was discriminatory. And it was the defaults on those mortgages were what caused the mortgage crisis, resulting in the subsequent economic collapse. Bush probably came to regret not replacing her when he took office.

@@PTS156 What David believed in was mostly from the bible, he's no better than any other prophet.

Federal Agents storming a building with supposed illegal weapons and no one thought about working with local sheriffs who had kept the peace for decades? Going to the door with a handful of unarmed agents with a SMALL tactical team behind them wouldn't have been a better option? It's not like the Branch Davidians were like some of the militia's a white supremacist groups who openly talk about "overthrowing the government" and "revolution." The people who stayed at Mt. Carmel obviously had no problem with David Koresh OR his leadership otherwise they would have left like some did YEARS before 1992. I think it's weird to think pork is wrong but Muslims and Jews avoid it. That's their belief, not mine. I respect that. I think it's weird that some churches handle live snakes, but that's their belief, not mine. Some may think I am weird because I respect all religions and believe that whatever brings you peace without harming others is okay., but that's my belief. It's sad how no one stood up for them and their rights as HUMAN BEINGS AND AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Right?! I never thought I'd be so fascinated by a 17:00 minute video about Andre the Giant or Nero but I'm pretty grateful for this channel

It’s true...

Dude I still have work to do today and I can't stop lol

I'm there with you

Waco: The Aftermath 👌

ITS MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS

Matt Gales It’s ‘The Life of Brian’. You got the Monty Python bit correct, though.

There's a mess in here, but no messiah!

Just be glad the Spanish Inquisition didn't show up. No one ever expects them...

He's the Christian David Miscavage

yeah! we have all seen "devils advocate"

@Lord Publius I remember another quote, “even the devil can quote scripture.”

...Matthew Perry? Is that a "Friends" quote?

@Zett76 My brain is melting. I can’t tell the difference between sarcasm and genuineness anymore.

@@littlejuliuscaesar8920 ...I'm just wondering, because Matthew said a LOT of wise-sounding things, according to the internet...

I remember reading somewhere in an inteview with someone from the ATF saying that they didn't want to arrest him outside of the compound due to the risk that his heavily armed followers would try to rescue him wich would put a serious amount of people at danger. Don't know if that is an explanation they come up with afterwards, but it seems plausible that the ATF would think that way.

spot on

ZeroneAngel they might think that way but it seems pretty weak. The federal govt coulda put him anywhere they wanted to. And they were religious fanatics but not necessarily mercenaries, chances are they wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do anything. Without Koresh calling the shots it’s possible they would have opened the compound to the ATF but who knows; maybe it’s true what they said and maybe An arrest of Koresh would’ve made things worse. I believe they still could’ve handled it different.

@@ZeroneAngel To be fair, unless they physically prevented any reporters from actually reporting on the scene (which in America is... well, pretty common) they just would've kept on doing it, just from a farther away location, lower quality recordings or more sneakily.

We must remember during this time the militia was gaining a movement across America and a strong message was needed to show others what would happen if you think you can take on the government..the real oddity was the fact that the ATF actually built a mock up of the building ..I mean since when do they ever do that? They could have got him anytime as he jogged and he even said he would meet them since he felt they had no case against ..what typically happens is they work up a physiological profile to predict how he would likely react to cause a stand off media spectacle and then on the windiest day they punch holes in the building to ventilate and when the fire started, even shot those escaping on the back side out of view of media cameras and of course the fire started up wind and swept quickly to the other end ,they certainly had no fire equipment in place as a common sense precaution ..I believe a couple of Clinton’s enemies were “dispatched “ in the process as an added agenda rolled into the sick plan.

Yea just a great channel.. Since the day he made me discover aspects of nazi party officials' lives I didn't expect to find in classical documentaries (maybe only in books and biographies), I began to appreciate the whole content of this channel... Very useful

Me too

Always enjoy this channel hope he makes one of these on Anton le vey

That entire operation was a mess FBI really fucked up how they tried to do it, but David Koresh wasn't some hero Just another crazy man who thinks he's Jesus, and attempts to get ready for a doomsday prophecy by possibly being the reason it starts The issue is just how the Government dealt with him Having a shoot out and then trying to get people out, but using poor methods to do so And in general not realizing that the Gasoline the Davidites spread along with the tear gas caused a Fire

they set the fires that killed all those people don't believe a word from this professional shill.

@@yanyu8989 Geeze relax, I was just making a joke

just to clarify it was tear gas, not toxic gas, and it was a fire that caused the deaths of everyone (which side caused the fire is highly disputed and I won't call names because it's very controversial)

@@quinnholloway5400 Yeah, David Koresh is crazy and his bunch of gunmen are a threat, however the FBI handled it at the expense of a lot of innocent followers being burned alive

Yeah an example of that was the unabomber...

Yep and a very intelligent one...

was there not also a tie-in to the events at Ruby Ridge? Another tragedy that shoulda/coulda been handled very differently. But I would also be interested in hearing about T. McVeigh & Oklahoma city

@@jobanh7ify weird Kaczynski factoid: he was involved as a subject in a part of the MKUltra program, around the time he was at Harvard College

Like you said it wasn't 100% because of Waco. It did contribute, but first Timothy was up at Ruby Ridge. Though Even before either of those he served in the US military during Operation Desert storm, and one of the key things that made him do what he did was doing things in Iraq that made him feel like he as a state actor was killing innocence. When he got home he found it harder to get a job than expected and kind of just drifted around from gunshow to gunshow where he got hooked up with factions of white extremists who saw the events of ruby ridge and waco texas as the American government attacking it's people. So he decided to build a bomb that he thought would set off a race war. Instead he hurt countless people and was sentenced to death.

It's useful for kidnapping children and leaving them with predators.

ATF: Hold my confiscated beer

They aren't police. They are social workers. They can't legally do much without evidence and lying to them is not punishable. For them to be able to do what people want them to do would require a few extra laws.

@@MrrMechassult yes I know this I did CPS for 2 years before I left bc we had no power. They need to fix this part of the system asap.

@@Rbl484 BS. CPS has too much power. They destroy the lives of families with very little evidence. They protect those with influence. I won't go into the the far more disgusting inner workings of this evil government sanctioned trafficking cabal.

I don't know whether or not to be glad that I wasn't old enough to remember it......

They say "we knew the kid was messed up."

@@2degucitas some would say " and some of us are responsible for it"

Me who wasn’t even born yet: 👁 👄 👁

@@KrimetTStarKiller the FBI wasn’t responsible the only one that is, is Koresh he had every chance to peacefully come out and surrender and he chose not too

i was about to sip my coffee as i read your comment, but then stopped as i didn't want to spit it all over my screen. 🤣

There's no situation that went handed over to the government will ever turn out well.

@B N Braughton tomato tomotto. I mean really at what point does it become mass murder? One could say that destroying an ant colony is also mass murder. How do you justify being ok with those people not being held accountable for their actions?

@B N Braughton if you subscribe to the belief of the sanctity of life, isn't that a blanket belief over ALL life, or just human life? Why do we consider some lives more valuable than others? And who decides? It seems to me the sanctity of life thing is something we made up and really, there is no universal sanctity, which makes human lives, according to nature, no more valuable than an ant's.

@TermsofService handle what? There was nothing to handle. There was no problem until the government created one

@@ghostrider2664 what actions aside from Koresh those people were not criminals

Iran called and they want their crazy back.

And they call me Mr. Retardo.

Hey, they’d believe him if he’s told them he was the second coming of Christ!

Saddam thought he was Nebuchadnezzar 😆

Bible verses are like sweet honey, the wisdom correlated to our life and the human condition so well.

This guy has a few channels doing similar video formats. This one's Biographics, there's one called Today I Found Out, and I know there's a third one. The name honestly escapes me. Maybe someone else can answer the third channels name for me

I'm almost sure that the other channels you're thinking about are "Top Tenz" & "Visual Politik".

Better late than never

@@jalapenohiway ah, so there's more than 3 channels. Sweet. Thanks.

Welcome to the family!

It's your opinion and if someone wants to contradict you must do it with some solid arguments.

@@romelnegut2005 or they can just offer their own similarly unfounded opinion

I don't think the gas canister started the fire 6 hrs later. The canisters supposedly had a remote chance of causing extreme heat at detonation, but that would start a fire immediately. There were grenades explosives and incendiaries in the complex and everyone was inhibited by CS gas and religious psychotics. My money is always on accidental or intentional from within

Ty T That is true as well.

No it was caused by the canisters.

I think it was kind of a mix of the gasoline that the davidians spread around as evidenced by the audio logs from the bugs they placed on milk cans, and some of the incendiary tear gas cans they used.

Liar. The report did NOT say that.

@@DominicNJ73 Me or the other guy?

Does it matter? The global IQ bumped up a few points when those morons went up in smoke.

@@andrewince8824 shame those poor 25 kids died too

Not at all. Maybe a VERY small subculture.

Charlotte Rawlins I guess what I meant is that the mixture of militarism, religious fervor, and sex and rock and roll (we can say the drugs used were the “opium of the masses”) is very on theme with u.s. values. I didn’t mean that the US is full of militia cults, but a lot of people seem to aspire to it.

Usually the case when government gets involved with just about everything.

@@hotelworker812 2 real dumb comments from 2 real dumb people

they shod raid every Church like this or as i call them Pedo Temples

There we pedophiles.

@@laysdong - it was a good thing that everyone was incinerated?

Wignall the Bastard Perhaps “Ball of Fire.”

His followers had to be mentally retarded to listen ALL NIGHT to Koresh's stupid yammering. And they want respect.

@Miss reign you don't have to bring pants into this. They are dorks because they are false.

See this is why I never entered the clergy. Modern Day organized religion is just too volatile. If they kept it to how it was Pre-Catholic Church it would be fine. Despite my affirmations however I have long accepted my destiny is not to be a preacher in any sort. People's lives are just to precious to be in mortal hands.

Or just liberals.

A lot of government officials take the blame when they make a mistake

@@KelgorothTheFinalShape except for the ones every major conspiracy theory speaks of

Reno took the blame at the time but President Bill Clinton had given the final go-ahead. When Mr. Clinton won re-election over Senator Robert Dole in 1996, he wanted to replace Reno. Reno told him that if he (essentially) fired her, she'd tell the public the full story of his culpability for Waco. Reno kept her job. It is believed that ATF lied to - or at the very least severely exaggerated - Reno about the allegations of child abuse against David Koresh in order to get her approval for the final assault. Why 85 people needed to be gassed as punishment for the alleged actions of one man has yet to be explained, and with Reno's death and descent into Hell, probably never will be.

Indeed. Some people attribute evil intent to her, but I just think she was incompetent.

@Deborah Fotopoulos: Whatever one thinks of Reno's legacy, it's orders of magnitude higher than that of Koresh.

@@apointofinterest8574 I agree. Reno was merely incompetent. Koresh was evil.

@@otisdylan9532 Koresh didnt gun down the ATF retreating when they ran out of ammo the first time.. ATF and FBI shot at people trying to leave the compound after setting it on fire. Or do your MSM news sources not say this and therefore isnt true? You are brainwashed beyond repair. I bet you look at Ruby Ridge and think the govt was in the right there too.

@@Cha0sLord93 Bless your heart.

The building was breached by the M728, but there were Abrams on site along withvthe M113, Bradleys, and an M88A1.

@@crankysaint what the orignal lad is contesting is that the images don't line up

Trae Herren well thank god we know exactly what tanks it was that wrecked their property

@@danielcruz3083 Thank god we live in a post-fact world where it doesn't matter if you're wrong so long as you get likes.

It was a Bradley tank that shot fire into the compound. Video of which has since been taken down. I should have recorded it, to prove my point, but hey

True the more religious they get the more the government wants to murder them

RIP George Carlin

Atheistic communism was by a wide, wide margin the philosophy/belief system under which more people were killed in the 20th century than any traditional religion. The problem is human beings' readiness to give blind adherence to authoritarian ideologies, which by no means need to be metaphysical or religious in the traditional sense.

@TermsofService That fedora might be a bit tight on yer head there, Mr. self-styled "Free Thinker." Yes, Hollywood, that cesspit of pedophilia, is just FULL of "religious" people, isn't it? And the Jeff Epstein sex trafficking/blackmail operation just screams "intolerant Christian," doesn't it? --just a little food for thought from a nonreligious person who doesn't make a fetish of it. And the naive faith in government (hint: they are not your parents, unless your parents were more interested in controlling and profiting from you than anything else) your comment implies is bordering on hilarious.

True

Only in Texas

Koresh and his ppl didn't kill anyone or planned it. They were slaughtered by the government

He wants to keep his channel, I guess.

According to the internet, the Branch Davidians started the fire. But somehow I think that is not the cause you believe to be the origin of the fire. Im honestly curious about your opinion :)

@Jason Coomer What was the cause of the fire? I thought it was a smoke grenade or flashbang catching on the building materials.

Ben Siener I’ve had experience using gas grenades and how they operate is basically burning the materials inside the grenade in order to put off gas. This means they run extremely hot and can occasionally spit sparks if built incorrectly. If a grenade had been dropped directly inside an opening and faced either toward carpet or a wall it would catch fire especially considering the building was built from wood. We also don’t know exactly what other stuff was in the building at the time. I could have landed in an ammo container for all we know. If the gas was pushing people away from it and was obscuring the flames, it not a leap in logic that it would have gotten out of hand quickly. I personally don’t think that some kooky cult in the middle of nowhere would have been enough of a threat or assistance to global elites to even ping on their radar. I think the ATF botched the raid and should have just waited them out at a distance after cutting off power. It wouldn’t be the first time law enforcement messed up, killed people, and swept it under the rug especially the Feds. If you want a really weird story, search for The Finders. That one has some real messed up stuff behind it and the FBI Archive Vault on Twitter released their investigation documents behind that case recently. Included in the documents is a map of the tunnels underneath McMartin preschool. That case was dismissed as Satanic Panic but that map is evidence that that accusation had merit.

"The FBI has arrived to 'investigate', this would be like getting in a fight with the neighbor boy, whipping him, and then his bigger, older brother comes over to 'investigate ' ."-David Koresh

Great info...thanks!

Darth Revan ... a thing I find particular is the fact that most of the survivors look to be very fit and able individuals "just happened to be close enough to windows and doors to escape, while the most vulnerable were trapped in dead end "bunkers" ... before someone bleats on about keeping them "safe" from danger, stop and think WHY were these fit and able people stationed near doors and windows - to prevent TANKS for breaking down walls or keep people (their people) from fleeing?

This guy suffered from a messianic complex, there really is no talking to someone who has lost touch with reality to the point of thinking you are God incarnate.

Once the FBI arrived all operations were controlled by them, the ATF had no say in further proceedings. Based on their incompetence and amateurish operation it was best to relegate them to janitor duty or go-fers.

PBS really covered this incident very well. I'm terrified at how many people think just like Tim McVeigh did about the Waco siege. How long before one of them commits an act of terror, just like him? And then they say the common man should be allowed to own any weapon. Anti-government people, you are the greatest argument _against_ the right to bear arms. Please stop your paranoia, or we will all lose our rights to self-defense because of it.

I'm pretty sure the whole world has religious kooks.

Hillary voter?

Isn't that the truth 60 some million sheep voted for Hillary Clinton. The weak minded shall inherit the earth. Just watch the first few minutes of the movie Idiocracy and that's what is happening.

If that surprises you, you should look up Jehova's witnesses' predicition and how many times they were wrong.

America may not have a shortage of sheep but sheep from many countries and all over Europe came here to be led by David.

At least we have "Florida Man" to blame things on now.

Yeah...many do tend to think that people in Texas and Florida and West Virginia are a “different breed”

More useful during a war, no doubt.

We in Texas called it Wacko Waco

Yea I call it Wacko and I like maybe an hour away

True

@TermsofService right-so that justifies killing women and children....when they could have arrested him on one of his outings...you betcha. Read about the siege sometime. There is such a thhig as due process and not woop-ass.

Jadee McLerran I still am too. I watched it happen on live tv.

TermsofService agreed! They still however probably could’ve handled it different.

TermsofService probably the reason for your weak user name and no user pic. I bet you’re aggressive and shitty to everybody in every comment thread you visit.

I saw it happen live too, in my 20s. It was so beyond ridiculous to me, and horrible! The ATF agents seemed so unbelievably bumbling! I was so shocked at the way they were handling it! I live in Texas, and we were all completely stunned at the unnecessary way it played out. I think Koresch was a wanna be tin God with pedophile inclinations, but the ATF did EVERYTHING WRONG. I also kept telling at the TV, screaming, "are you serious?!!" It was so unreal...

I was 18 when I watched it on TV and felt the same way as you guys until I heard more details/interviews/audio recordings. The ATF,FBI and what ever other acronym claiming to be "in your best interest" made some very serious mistakes but the Branch Davidians were clearly prepared to die for what Koresch claimed. Both sides had plenty of opportunities to end it safely but failed to do so.

No, you were just a very right wing kid.

Wouldn't my attitude against the government at the time have made me a very left wing kid?

Deanne Cantwell well not in the case of governments seizing guns from (sectarian) Christians. But my claim is that politically biased children do exist. Take a more left wing child and the Waco incident would seem transparently to be a case of justified police action to him. Neither is a more natural or clear-headed reaction to it.

They call it Wacko, Texas for a reason.

its not called wacko its call WAY-CO

whoosh..

r/whoosh

...along with Washington DC crazy. Sick situation.

if not i wouldn't know how many times this vid uses the picture of the actor who played koresh instead of koresh.....

Yep... nothing else to do

Underwhelming vid that isnt as indeph, honest, and fair as the Waco series, I'm pretty disappointed as I was expecting a sophisticated, indeph look into the siege and David's head and mindset from this channel, but nope.

I watched the Hulu one, doing Netflix tonight

Garrett Blyat this channel is pretty biased against anyone who doesn’t follow mainstream ideology

Excellent?? You've got to be kidding me. This is the biggest load of bull ever. He spun this so hard

Such an amazing video that he got the date wrong, uses photos from a miniseries, and ignores the confession from the FBI that they used incendiary tear gas at Waco, likely causing the fire.

Not excellent, the host makes a lot of claims, without supporting them.

@@moonfish3638 the Australian waco fire survivor says the cult started the fire, you can blame your feds for everything leading up to it but ultimately the cult killed the kids

Makes you think what other dates have gotten wrong if one didn't know any better

But almost all nut jobs are formally abused children. I don't think anyone said that all abused children are nutjobs. I don't think humanity would have survived beyond the dark ages if that was the case as children being viewed as precious beings are a recent thing

i agree, my point is that i have no pity for people like this despite their tumultuous upbringing

skyler, I do.

Most don't. It's a complex - a combination of nurture and nature.

We obviously hear about these types of tragedies that were shaped by people who were abused as children. How about the hundreds of millions of abused children who just plain failed to thrive? That's almost sadder to me; a life of fear, pain, and the inner voice that constantly tells you that you're no good. And what's even worse, knowing that it's not true and still unable to break free.

It made Waco famous. Like Gettysburg.

As a Wacoan, this has long been a massive stain on our city. But it happened 40 miles away. Not that Waco isnt run by a bunch of Karens to begin with. But still.

@@jrcooper83 Understand, sorry. I live in Huron County Ohio, and this County is so dangerously corrupt, it needs to be told and shamed for all to know !

Goes to show that good irreverence never gets old!

@@christineparis5607 Especially when the same wackos keep making the same claims about "the apocalypse." In 10 years, we'll just need to edit the year & this skit will still be 100% relevant.

Should've jumped at flat☺

Lol 😂

It's What A Cook Out

I live in Texas too, and thought the same thing. There were so many other ways to handle it that wouldn't leave led to so many casualties. It was all so surreal.

REDUX WACO In 1993, the ATF conducted a raid on a compound outside Waco Texas that belonged to a religious cult called the “Branch Davidians.” Early in the morning, when they arrived, they found reporters from the local tv stations and newspapers were already waiting for them. Someone had broken security. Hundreds of ATF agents, along with tanks from Ft Hood and military personnel, surrounded the Branch Davidians and their leader, “David Koresh” in the compound. Koresh organized his followers to stay in the communal building. This set the stage for the second longest and definitely the largest siege situation in the history of US law enforcement. The longest siege occurred at Wounded Knee, South Dakota and began on February 27th, 1973 and ran for 71 days. It ended poorly for the government though no one was killed. It was then that the DOJ decided that they needed to come up with a strategy for dealing with groups of people who were not typical criminals, but were under the control of a charismatic leader like David Koresh. They decided that the preferred method was “decapitation” not in the sense of actually chopping off someone’s head, but in the sense that before there was any major movement of men surrounding compounds, they should arrest the leader when he was away from his followers. This way, they could prevent the leader from rallying his people to resist, making the arrest that much quicker, easier and safer. They could have done this with Koresh because every week, he went into town to the post office to collect the mail for the group. This was a formal safety procedure written in the DOJ Field Manual for all law enforcement agents of the Federal government. So the big question is, “Why didn’t they follow their own safety regulations?” In the end, this mistake cost 75 of the Branch Davidians and two federal agents their lives. But, in the end, the public was told that it was Janet Reno who was responsible because she ordered the raid to begin. She stood up and took full responsibility. But, she was never fired. Instead, she went on to become the only Attorney General in history to serve two terms with the same president. According to Dick Morris, advisor to President Clinton, Janet Reno had “blackmailed” Clinton into keeping her on. What could Janet Reno possibly have on Bill Clinton that would be more important than 77 dead people for which she was responsible? A: That she wasn’t actually responsible. So what really happened at Waco, or rather at the planning stages of Waco? All sorts of things, no doubt, but one of those things that had to have happened is that some federal agents, (ATF or FBI) had to make the request to the White House for the use of those tanks and federal troops. You see, the Posse Comitatus Act, which was passed after Reconstruction in the 1800s, required that the president personally approve the use any military equipment or personnel in a civilian law enforcement operation. That means that someone from ATF/FBI had to have briefed the president on what the military was needed for. And since we know that the military were there, we know he had to have signed the orders. (Contrary to belief, the Attorney General is not really a general in the army.) So, the question is, didn’t they warn the president that surrounding the compound with Koresh in it was a guarantee that there would be a hold out? Either they did or they didn’t. Did they mislead the president resulting in all those deaths? Well, if they did, then it’s hard to explain why no one on the planning team was ever punished for it. Because at the very least, they were responsible for all those deaths. Not only was no one ever punished, they were all promoted within a year. That sounds like they must have done their job right and someone else was responsible for the screw up. But who and why? Er, maybe the guy who signed the orders? The first really big law that President Clinton pushed for in his first 100 days was the Assault Weapons Ban. And a big splashy raid, on a gang of crazies armed with 50 caliber rifles, in the Texas desert, broadcast every night on TV for a couple weeks was just the ticket to drum up support for the law. Except a couple of weeks turned into a couple of months. In the aftermath of the raid, Congress appointed Senator John Danforth to investigate the raid. At the beginning, he announced that he would NOT be looking into anything that occurred before the ATF/FBI arrived at the compound. In other words, he would not investigate the planning stage where President Clinton had to have had some role. Why would he do that unless he already knew what he would find? The only people who could tell the world what really happened are the people who took part in planning the raid and briefing the president. By now, all these people are safely in retirement and they can’t be punished without also indicting the Clintons. If Bill Clinton were innocent, then he should have been incensed that it happened at all. He didn’t punish anyone, not even Janet Reno. Janet Reno stepped up to the microphone and took responsibility for what happened, but she would have been briefed on everything that I’ve told you here. And this would explain why she was able to spend 8 full years as Attorney General. Final Note: My Freedom of Information Act request to the Clinton Library for a copy of the order was not fulfilled. It was reportedly not in their archives.

@@joezingher4770 I can't stand the Clinton's, and I am an independent. Still, I usually hate it when people blame the Clinton's for everything from global warming to stale bread, because it's usually just hysteria combined with shrieking insults if you don't agree. That said, your argument is fascinating. You have obviously researched your subject and have presented it in a thoughtful, concise manner. Do you have an opinion on what J. Reno could have possibly known to lead her to take all blame in exchange for protecting her career? And what do you think Clinton had done that was so heinous that people had to die to cover it up? I know all the usual things people yell about, but I'm interested in what your opinion is. Thanks.

Don't even start on mentality. That's the exact thing Tim McVeigh thought when he saw this, which is why he killed 165 people in Oklahoma City. Do you want to validate the worst domestic terrorist in U.S. history?

US law enforcement loves military-style raids. There are quite a few examples of this, including a lot of innocent people who have been victims of this because of bureaucratic snafus or false tips from criminals who are trying to bargain with the police.

This whole time I thought it was "Dividians" like divide. Whoops

Me too

Ha, funny... I barely know anything about these folk either, so don't feel bad...

I thought davidians came from David as well. They thought he was their messiah after all.

People like you are why I quit college.

Or he could have released them... like a true man of god would have...

C Marshall ... Perhaps but the reaction of his leaderless and heavy armed followers like would have resulted in wide-spread violence in attempts to free their leader. Plus the fact he, himself, had 51 DAYS to save the "innocents" but choose not differently.

Even the Police of Waco said the ATF F^^Ked up by not arresting Koresh in town. They said that they could have arrested Koresh peacefully at any time.

Michael Sanches ... Absolutely, but how do you think his followers would have reacted? Peacefully sitting on the steps outside,the Courthouse or storming into town guns blazing to free him? ATF screwed the pouch in their approach, yes, but to theorise a "simple, peaceful" arrest was a viable option is dangerously simplistic.

When you have an armed self-proclaimed Messiah, there is going to be pain. I would rather be on defense in the town than on offense attacking the compound. Koresh knew his only chance for freedom would be via the courts. I think he would have told his people to back off, that it was God's will so that he could have a forum to the rest of the world (which is what he wanted.) Alternately, since it was a Federal warrant, they could have immediately moved him anywhere in the country.

What? Is that supposed to be a Jewish joke or terrorist line

@@scl1332 it's a real thing.. many people go to Israel and leave convinced they are some sort of prophet

@@Three_Sevens Hmm...been to Israel. Beautiful country with great people. Never supposed that I acquired a prophetic gift while there.

@@stevehicks8944 no one asked

I did too. I felt really terrible for those poor kids. An adult can make the choice (or not) to join a cult--or stay in that compound (or not)--but those kids didn't stand a chance.

@@peggypeggy4137 Goverment jews can make such choices

People can watch a video a few minutes long on something and then think they know everything about it

@@hrdstrange3322 touché