When talking about liberating other countries. What a pillock! (C) BBC 2012
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@spencerlester36673 жыл бұрын
The gormless looks of the panel including Dimbleby, when the counterargument makes complete sense. Priceless.
@dnxls_5 жыл бұрын
Everyone rolls their eyes at first; then they listen a bit, understand, and agree.
@yeezysmalls778210 жыл бұрын
I am increasingly impressed by David Starkey. He is blatently opinionated, awkward and rude. And for that I trust him far more than the rest of people on that panel.
@sramcs10 жыл бұрын
absolutely. he has no agenda, doesnt seek to be popular, doesnt seek to score cheap points. he speaks his mind, and given the extent of his knowledge, it happens to be the truth
@2ubelazy10 жыл бұрын
Sairam Sriram It's not always the truth, he often clumsily says things that are both wrong and offensive because he's put shock value over accuracy which is why I can't take him too seriously. However, broadly speaking I agree with the essence of most things he says.
@sramcs10 жыл бұрын
2ubelazy examples please
@yeezysmalls778210 жыл бұрын
2ubelazy I second Sairam Sriram's comment.
@firebeardnc601210 жыл бұрын
Yeezy Smalls I second Yeezy Smalls' comment.
@jonathancarter18265 жыл бұрын
God how I wish David Starkey had been my history teacher, a rare visionary
@antmagor5 ай бұрын
Nope, as history needs no visionaries missionaries are focused on the future not the past. And saying you wish he was your history. Teacher doesn’t say much of your love of history.
@ScottishAtheist10 жыл бұрын
I love Starkey, a lot of uncomfortable truths and doesn't give a toss.
@stocktonheath7 жыл бұрын
I could watch Starkey's response to the Russia/China pressure question over and over forever, hilarious. Love him.
@nahumhabte62102 жыл бұрын
its funny to watch British politicians having the same debates today over Ukraine.
@scottydd2212 жыл бұрын
David Starkey was great on this. Telling it as it really is. A great man.
@Baggythebeast10 жыл бұрын
'What an absurd remark, THINK MAN!' -David Starkey, Legend.
@ronnieswoleman429010 жыл бұрын
B-but why c-can't we put p-pressure on China?
@rnewton18210 жыл бұрын
Do you knot keep up with how powerful china is becoming?
@ronnieswoleman42909 жыл бұрын
michael newton If your comment was directed at me, I think you missed the sarcasm.
@kapitankapital65807 жыл бұрын
It's very simple, people don't want their heroes to not be one of them.
@moabdah910 жыл бұрын
It scars national pride when the people can't liberate themselves and have to rely upon foreign countries to do so. It's viewed as a failure of national sovereignty so Starkey raises a very valid point, he's not a 'pillock'
@sramcs10 жыл бұрын
well said
@merely_aida7 жыл бұрын
Precisely. But he is pretty naive if he actually believes that the primary goal of all the Middle East invasions are "to liberate" the people.
@joecox10747 жыл бұрын
Aida Aman he doesn't. The audience member who asked the question in the first place seems to.
@robertmcelwaine70247 жыл бұрын
Agreed, people by and large are very proud and the French go beyond that in to arrogance. The shame of having to rely on the Brits and the Americans to free them because they surrendered to the Germans, rather than stand up to them is widely known and they've never forgiven the allies for liberating them.
@digbycrankshaft75723 жыл бұрын
@@robertmcelwaine7024 if the US hadn't entered the war the UK would have needed liberating from the Nazis as their war effort was losing.
@jayjaypen29 жыл бұрын
Starkey is always right. He doesn't do this political correctness crap. Just logic.
@nipnipnip75086 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Situation I'm a condicending prick who's out of touch with reality. Sometimes I'm quite reasonable though. It's usually happens for about 3 minutes once a week
@robertmcelwaine70244 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 No, he's a conservative genius and he's right on the money. The French have been nothing but treated us with nothing but disdain, even after Britain and the United States helped liberate them from the Nazi's. They're so arrogant they can't bear the shame that they had to rely on our countries to bail them out.
@corpgov4 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 I'm generally a lefty and it's the left who wallow in feelings. Starkey is on the mark here, as with most things. Sometimes I can't stand the guy, but he is admittedly refreshing in how he never tows the line. We as a country are in the mess we're in because of lefty liberals pretending to represent the ordinary person but are so far out of touch. This professor worked his way up from the working class and pretty much says it how it is. If the left, like yourselves, stopped being outraged and actually listened to what others on the other side of the political spectrum are saying, we might get somewhere as a species.
@MrDavey20104 жыл бұрын
The point that Starkey makes about French liberation is absolutely right. I love France but the French have rewritten history about their liberation in WWII. They teach their children that they liberated themselves.
@digbycrankshaft75723 жыл бұрын
He's not always right, he's frequently wrong and had to admit that on numerous occasions. He's an opinionated egotist whose full of his own inflated sense of importance. He occasionally says something valid but that's overshadowed by his own arrogance.
@paddyb72165 жыл бұрын
Starkey's knowledge of history is so valuable. Too often, historical events are cherry picked to try to win arguments, won't work against Starkey!
@MK-sx3bm3 жыл бұрын
Seems to have worked pretty well against you
@rohitigc3 жыл бұрын
Bangladesh credits it’s liberation from Pakistan to a home grown organisation called ‘Mukti Bahani’ whereas it was the Indian army who went all the way to Dhaka and forced Gen Niazi of Pakistan to surrender to Gen Maneckahaw of India. David Starkey is absolutely right!
@SuperJonnyboy201010 жыл бұрын
starkey is always soo damn right! i love him!
@Ariadne77109 жыл бұрын
Starkey is absolutely 100% right. People DO NO LIKE BEING FREED BY OTHERS. Being liberated by others gives people a sense of shame. A sense of failure for having to depend on others, for having failed to free themselves. It is a failure which is deeply shaming. Hence, it is difficult to accept and feel gratitude towards the liberators. As Starkey says after the initial euphoria they see them as conquerors.
@davidgraham8058 Жыл бұрын
People cannot be freed unless they want to free themselves.
@tombo198410 жыл бұрын
David Starkey absolutely spot on as per usual! As for the person who posted this video. What a pillock!
@jamesseamge92168 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Evans Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
@tombo19848 жыл бұрын
James Seamge If you are tired. Go to bed.
@robertmcelwaine70244 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 And one who can't rebut someone else's argument and has to rely on childish remarks that wouldn't be out of place in a school playground.
@tincoffin8 жыл бұрын
Yes Starkey is absolutely right . Just one country -Norway - feels that it owes anything to Britain for it's war effort . They give us a Christmas tree every year which is erected in Trafalgar Square. I was in discussion with a Korean on You Tube who did not understand that Britain had helped to liberate his country from north Korea. he just went on about the evils of imperialist Britain. Such is life.
@CanadianMonarchist11 ай бұрын
I would have thought a Korean would be more upset about Japanese imperialism.
@kunichiwax39 жыл бұрын
Love him; he's so right
@EvasionUK4 жыл бұрын
Evan Richards oh but he is
@jonassvensson355010 жыл бұрын
David is right.
@Aman10129 жыл бұрын
Look at the OTT reaction by Rachel Reeves at 0:58 (typical labour party) even before David Starkey has finished his sentence. How cynical. Unless Clark Carlisle is doing something else under the desk.
@SMSJSC9 жыл бұрын
Yep, she is absolutely clueless. She knows nothing, and then tries to make David Starkey out as the idiot.
@Shagrat658 жыл бұрын
+Adam Sanchez You see it all to often sadly my friend. I saw Starkey give a quite brilliant summary of Early/Medieval Islam under Mehdi Hassain's condescending eyes and after he finished some dreary female politician piped up 'Oh I agree with Mehdi!' and then later got applause. It was sad to see the blind ignorance of the audience but not surprising at all.
@Shagrat655 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 No - the point Starkey was making in regard to 'people don't like being freed' was later they see the apparent deliverers of the aforesaid 'freedom' as invaders and conquerors. Hasan is indeed brilliant if you like non-Muslims being referred to as cattle or people with no morals or no intelligence. Strangely, you can notice such things regardless if you are right, centre or left wing. Oh and its Anna Soubry btw.
@Clembo9 жыл бұрын
If you want to be a rebel in this day and age you just need to speak the truth.
@grahamramsay22539 жыл бұрын
Your comment should be on bill boards very true.
@joanwilkins87953 жыл бұрын
Clembo:. Your comment is just as valid in 2020. We are in very dangerous times, whereby David Starkey giving his opinion on slavery sacked whilst a racist Indian woman is Made a professor for proclaiming kill whitey. And while we are about it let see some truth of the death and injury caused by the untested 'vaccine'.
@176cadbury10 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to arrange David Starkey's presence on the Question Time panel every week? WHAT A BRILLIANT MAN!!!!!
@rahtidboydem12 жыл бұрын
Starkey was epic... On a different level to nearly everyone in that room. I would trust him in power over Cameron ANY day
@grimawormtongue19498 жыл бұрын
Dimbleby seemed a bit dim here. Starkey's point just went straight over his head.
@keysersoze43226 жыл бұрын
He's always a bit dim.
@paulgavin36036 жыл бұрын
dimbleby is a hereditary broadcaster. Like all the BBC
@perperson1994 жыл бұрын
He's almost always like that
@JohnJohn-cu7nk3 жыл бұрын
He has to defend the BBC and its masters narrative.If the masters want war he has to push that the people were going to war with need saving from themselves
@randybobandy38407 жыл бұрын
He is so much smarter than everyone else in that room
@Scorpio3918 жыл бұрын
The faux liberal outrage on that dozy Rachel Reeves face when starkey said 'people don't like to be freed' was preposterous
@JohnSmith-su3ze6 жыл бұрын
As if the 'intellect' of Rachel Reeves is even qualified to react to the PhD mind of Starkey She needs to listen and learn
@alastair98944 жыл бұрын
Jason Pendlebury Exactly. Awful woman way below the IQ and knowledge of David Starkey.
@davedaveson54953 жыл бұрын
That's all they have though, that expression of outrage make them feel so self-righteous. Then comes the diatribe of words ending in 'ist' and 'phobic'.
@johnpaterson67413 жыл бұрын
....but the look on her face at 1:33 is priceless, as her brain is trying to process the wisdom of Starkey!
@THOMASCOLTON13 жыл бұрын
Because her party killed & displaced millions of Iraqis & made it way more dangerous for people in Britain.
@basedelon8 жыл бұрын
How is he a pillock? Starkey's right!
@liammcdougall74834 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 Begone with your liberal wishy washy interventionalism.
@lynnrobertson5844 жыл бұрын
@@evan2173 ok demented millenial
@headshot69593 жыл бұрын
David Starkey is so far above these people he is but a speck in the sky.
@Patrick-vh5nr4 жыл бұрын
Starkey is fantastic! What a star.
@dpf21224 жыл бұрын
Perfectly legitimate insight that anyone who has studied history would not find surprising.
@ThePostalGril3 жыл бұрын
exactly i think this is what people forget. starkey is a historian, he draws his opinions from what has consistently happened in history. humans are creatures of habits after all
@sramcs10 жыл бұрын
Damn starkey nails it here
@Bellini3310 жыл бұрын
David Starkey is SO right as always! Dimbleby is, as usual, his lefty self.
@Bellini3310 жыл бұрын
True, but Peter Sissons did a good job once. I'd like Andrew Neil: at least he's even-handed.
@BreamChad11 жыл бұрын
I like that at 1:00 Clark Carlisle tries to dismiss Starkey's point, 'like what is he going on about', but Starkey ends up actually making a very valid point which Clark Carlisle probably couldn't even comprehend.
@Tennisgirl199012 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree MORE with David Starkey! Legend.
@toffeecrisp21468 жыл бұрын
Whie his method of engaging with people and the way in which he speaks to people about some things, can be tactless and rude, Starkey made a brilliant point, that some people just don't seem to understand, and therefore dismiss out of hand. He is right to say that liberty can not be given, it must be taken or won by the very people being oppressed. Partly becuase it is in the act of achieving and asserting ones freedom that gives it weight, it's cost, whether in lives or time or effort, instills a need to protect that freedom and an appreciation of it's true value. Also in that very act of overcoming such adversity, leads to true growth that doesn't exist if someone else does the hard work for you. Just as, if some challenge i face in my life, was dealt with by someone else, they have gained the beneift of overcoming it, whereas I have gained nothing but removal of the obstacle that challenge represented. In such a way, we infact deprive other people of the journey and lessons it has to teach by doing it for them and they can't appreciate the success in the same way as they would had it been by the own hands wrought. He is also right to point out that invariably, when we in the west intervene, it is, more often than not, with the unspoken and ulterior motive, of putting in place of an old regime, one that mirrors and is designed to facilitate values that reflect our own, without regard for the cultural and social mores of the people we are supposedly liberating. When will the west wake up and realise we are not all the same, and the rest of the world need not be just like us. But if we really want them to be, maybe we should let them win their liberties, the same way we did, for ourselves.
@Fleshious12 жыл бұрын
David Starkey is awesome.
@aaroncohen77123 жыл бұрын
He is so right. You can only liberate yourself.
@asdreww12 жыл бұрын
David starkey is awesome. I wish i could voote for him.
@kruthian12 жыл бұрын
It's like the rest of the panel were desperate to maintain the pantomime whilst Starkey was the only one who wanted to say something as real as possible.
@oliverwortley38223 жыл бұрын
david starkey cracks me up. love him 🤣🤣🙃
@alanwitton59803 жыл бұрын
He's spot on as usual
@MrYib11 жыл бұрын
Starkey, as usual, is spot on.
@TotalWar0112 жыл бұрын
lol I love Starkey's views "pfft what pressure could we bring to bear on China" =D rofl he has a damn well good point there!
@SMSJSC3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but he could have been a bit more subtle. He was addressing a well-meaning albeit misguided audience member, not a politician or journalist. That's not to say I disagree with what Starkey said.
@kingmatt2563DABEST8 жыл бұрын
Im glad Starkey knows his history. We never cared about the French in World War 2 ( Sadly) we focused on protecting our colonies and destroying Germany for economic gain which backfired.
@evisuification4 жыл бұрын
kingmatt2563 sorry colonies not your land????
@chrisb40093 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the French repaying the favour?
@buster99637 жыл бұрын
Starkey bang on point as per usual
@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH2 жыл бұрын
The disaster in Kabul and Afghanistan today once again proved this man right. The Afghani people welcomed the Taliban back with open arms because they finally saw liberators who shared the same skin-color as them.
@m4rr152 жыл бұрын
Not just skin colour, similar ideology too, why would Afghan men want to go against their religious beliefs when they could live as kings over their women?
@hallsterr12 жыл бұрын
Starkey was bang on as usual, he's so much more intelligent than Dimbleby & the rest of the panel, it's a bit embarrassing really.
@SovereignChancellor11 жыл бұрын
Starkey is excellent. Erudite, well-spoken and confident. He knows what he is talking about. He knows the history. And intelligent people all know fully well that the past begets the present and the future and so on and so forth.
@QuantomsJune12 жыл бұрын
spot on
@naturalbornchiller1587 жыл бұрын
He's a historian and he knows what he's saying. I find the party politicians who shriek at any conservative view that makes them feel unconfortable with something that sounds logical so frustrating
@ninianmacmillan-keith74355 жыл бұрын
The Stark is absolutely right ! Old fashioned common sense
@silddx12 жыл бұрын
I think he's absolutely right. In fact I saw this live and this particular bit shocked me into a higher awareness. I don't think Starkey understands people as individuals very well, but he's incredibly aware of how people act as groups. He is a very very clever man who pisses people off because he's dangerous, he makes people think.
@ericleach70746 жыл бұрын
A few years ago I probably, whilst not dismissing him, would have rolled my eyes and shook my head at this (I remember it well)I love to listen to Starkey. Then, just last year, I was working in a care home for the elderly in Jersey. I love talking to the clients and I asked one lady, who was still sharp as a button, "what was it like under German occupation?" The lady replied; "the German's were lovely, it was the British who were horrible and the Americans were just ghastly". Maybe Starkey is right.
@winonebud7 жыл бұрын
Noticed some serious triggering when Starkey explained THE TRUTH. Well Done, David.
@JohnSmith-su3ze6 жыл бұрын
1:32 The gormless look of someone who can't comprehend what the PhD is saying
@tobyruncorn211 жыл бұрын
He's not a pillock. His opinionated. And generally correct.
@dylanparker1303 жыл бұрын
The panel members all trying to outdo one another's look of outrage
@lyndontomasi50262 жыл бұрын
Must be so frustrating for Starkey to be on a panel of absolute lightweights
@normalil12 жыл бұрын
He is brave enough to say what is correct. We need more like him.
@mythinktube12 жыл бұрын
What a legend
@JoeyRhubarb3 жыл бұрын
How does someone like Rachel Reeves find the intelligence to even breathe?
@alanwitton50395 жыл бұрын
David Starkey is spot on yet again!
@rjohnners9 жыл бұрын
He's worded it badly, but Starkey's sentiment is bang on correct
@MrValzen12 жыл бұрын
David Starkey you are brilliant, you are such a breath of fresh air. You speak free from political correctness and the truth, keep it up!
@sameerdhaka49404 жыл бұрын
David is one of the most logical minds.
@ketsan10 жыл бұрын
Statement of the obvious from Starkey, especially in Arab cultures which are and have been irate at the west for "occupying" Saudi Arabia for decades now. Any intervention in Syria will be taken the exact same way, more western troops occupying more Arab lands requiring more terrorist attacks on the west to liberate them. People should know this, we've had ten years of Al Qaeda repeating over and over "We will attack you until you remove your troops from our land". We've got to stop thinking of Arabs, and other cultures more generally, as if there is a westerner inside them that needs our help to get out, and start recognising that these are different cultures with different values and different world views than us.
@sramcs10 жыл бұрын
so very well said
@alicantino11512 жыл бұрын
A Christopher Hitchens/David Starkey debate would have been very interesting.
@CanadianMonarchist11 ай бұрын
Ooh- I would have paid a lot of money to see that!
@nebuchadnezzarofbabylon38966 жыл бұрын
It's so annoying that the other panelists are so reluctant to engage their minds that they are groaning and facepalming at Starkey's logic and facts.
@kris8780911 жыл бұрын
Actually David starkey talks a lot of sense if you think about it
@chriswright71114 жыл бұрын
David Starkeys correct on being Liberated .. I'll feelings towards the Alies of Repelling forces are noted in History ◇◇
@SMSJSC9 жыл бұрын
He's not being a 'pillock', TopTellyFan. He's quite correct. You go in, you become the enemy. To take just one example much closer to home: remember the Catholics in Northern Ireland in 1969? The British army went in to help them. And I think it's fair to say they became the enemy...
@brendanw458 жыл бұрын
+Stuart S In Ireland, they showed exactly why they were there - not as some sort of liberators, but to stifle any dissent at the institutional discrimination and lack of civil liberties that only one side faced - as they merrily fired at crowds of unarmed protestors. You don't win hearts and minds by killing people and many ask - where were the British in the decades prior to '69 when anti-Catholic discrimination was completely ignored by Britain. When Britain carved Ireland up, at the point of a gun, against the wishes of the vast majority of its' people, they will never be liberators.
@SMSJSC8 жыл бұрын
+brendan w I agree that Britain made huge mistakes in Ireland (and elsewhere) - never more so than the partition in 1921. However in 1969 I genuinely believe the British army were in a no-win situation - very much piggy in the middle. I've said elsewhere that the whole of Ireland should have been independent in 1921, given the problems since then - but a century of hindsight is a great thing, isn't it?
@brendanw458 жыл бұрын
Stuart S Fair play.
@Heresjonnyagain3 жыл бұрын
When since the war have the Dutch regarded us as the enemy?
@Dilkingt0nne3 жыл бұрын
Went in to help them??!!!! What horseshit that is I agree with the fundamental principle but Jesus that’s a crap example
@jaewok5G6 жыл бұрын
5 ½ years later, this tragically hilarious
@teccosman10 жыл бұрын
starkey's prompt sheet remark is incredible
@Sandysand7019 ай бұрын
Iv'e always wondered why the French dislike the English so much, now I know why, thank you David, you now have a new fan.
@Awakeandalive18 жыл бұрын
How dare Starkey make an insightful and accurate assessment of human nature and history! XD
@WorksopGimp10 жыл бұрын
He is spot on we need to free ourselves not be freed by someone else, you end up living under their idea of freedom
@eleveneleven57210 жыл бұрын
Starkey is right. History supports that. Every country we have gone into in the past 20 yrs is fucked up.
@eleveneleven5729 жыл бұрын
***** And your point is?
@belladarling42566 жыл бұрын
He is absolutely right!
@Lakester9112 жыл бұрын
He's not saying people don't like being free, but that they don't want someone coming in to free them when they didn't ask. He's right: being freed by someone else is more humiliating than an IMF or European Central Bank bailout. It shows you can't do it yourself and have no control of your situation. Starkey's right on the ball as usual.
@nipnipnip75086 жыл бұрын
I just had a massive epiphany about human frailty and weakness and the relationship between that and the ideals that bind a country/culture together. Trippy shit.
@martinhambleton50762 жыл бұрын
I am looking at this post being seven years old. Here we are in 2021 having voted Brexit, and having trouble with the eu, but especially France, fully demonstrating, David is bang on the money!
@blackbeany11 жыл бұрын
This man is an inspiration and so fiercely intelligent. He wipes the floor with everyone else here. Loved the prompt sheet jibe at 1:52 but the best was 5:55 - greatest sound of disdain I have ever heard! I would want the ground to open up and swallow me after his dismissive remarks.
@notareargunner12 жыл бұрын
Well said Dr David. A little puff at the establishment goes a long way. Brilliant analysis.
@truckerfromreno10 жыл бұрын
He's right. The French would have loved us if we'd tried and been beat.
@wavemanmav90738 жыл бұрын
People like to be "freed" only when the liberator quickly departs and does not leave a power vacuum in their wake. Prime example: Kuwait. The US lead coalition went in, pushed out the Iraqi army out, and then largely exited leaving the existing Kuwaiti regime in power.
@edubogota17 жыл бұрын
That could work,depending the army policy and tactics,what happened is that Iraq invaded kuwait swiftly and there was not that much devastation, its different to walk in in a normal country than a devastated one like Syria. Totally different situations.
@CanadianMonarchist11 ай бұрын
Or Grenada
@johnbull15683 жыл бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but the video title 'David Starkey says: "People don't like being freed"' suggests that there is a quote from Starkey within this video that says that exact same quote?
@biffalobull23353 жыл бұрын
He speaks the truth and would be on my foreign policy team any day of the week
@TheSealOfTheRose12 жыл бұрын
Even though he is absolutly right here
@trevorflarty18113 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, agree, with, Starkey. This lot are so far up their own, backsides, so, blinkered, they're, not listening, to the point, he's, making. This, man, is, honest, & is not part of the, "herd", mentality. Bravo, David Starkey!
@madforit26 жыл бұрын
Clark Carlisle - out of your depth on here and in the Premier League
@wightwalker24534 жыл бұрын
Starkey makes the programme worth watching.
@milesobrien26943 жыл бұрын
"Make a difference" means turn them into a consumer society just like us.
@hallsterr12 жыл бұрын
Starkey is so much more intelligent than Dimbleby & the rest of the panel its embarrassing. Hope to see him back on Question Time soon.
@davedaveson54953 жыл бұрын
The point he is making is that there's a price or debt to be paid to the liberator for the deed of liberation. 'We've made this considerable and expensive effort to defend and liberate you so now you owe us' That is what fuels the inevitable resentment. His comment that the allies didn't necessarily do it to liberate France is probably right. The reason was to stop Nazi Germany as it was dangerously close to invading Britain who happened to be the US closest ally. Had France been on the other side of the world it wouldn't have been so strategically important.
@Lennon641210 жыл бұрын
It's not that people don't like being freed, it's that outside groups feel they have a chance in situations like this and so events like this occur.
@jesterschameleon18623 жыл бұрын
Starkey 'wipes the floor' with them, ...lol
@Jerricho6812 жыл бұрын
These sorts of discussions are best left to nations that still have navies.
@alangregg55204 жыл бұрын
Well said,Starkey!
@CharmingLordSausage12 жыл бұрын
David Starkey was absolutely right about Syria. The situation isn't as simple as a dictator vs his people. What we are in fact seeing is the Shia Alawite minority of which the country is 12% composed, fighting a Sunni majority uprising for their very existence. Even if we DID intervene on behalf of the Sunni faction in order to offer 'humanitarian' assistance we would be covertly aiding the Sunni majority - effectively encouraging attempts to destroy the other 12% Shia of the country. Madness.