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The Most Hated American Woman In The 1960s. Hear Her Speak On TV.

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David Hoffman

David Hoffman

Жыл бұрын

This amazingly blunt television program aired locally in South Texas on a TV station in Austin. The two debaters were well known in America at the time and if you read below, both had extraordinarily complicated and disastrous experiences during their lifetimes. Could you imagine this program running on TV today?
Madalyn Murray O'Hair was an outspoken activist supporting atheism & separation of church and state. In 1963 she founded American Atheists & called herself a "militant feminist".
O'Hair was known for a lawsuit that challenged the policy of mandatory prayers & Bible reading in Baltimore public schools. The Supreme Court ruled that officially sanctioned mandatory Bible-reading in public schools was unconstitutional. In 1964 Life magazine called her as "the most hated woman in America".
Because of hostility in Baltimore against her family Murray left Maryland with her sons settling in Austin, Texas. She founded American Atheists, a nationwide movement which defends the civil rights of non-believers, works for the separation of church and state and addresses issues of First Amendment public policy. She became the public voice and face of atheism in the United States during the 1960s and 1970s.
O'Hair continued to be a polarizing figure into the 1980s. She served as "chief speechwriter" for Larry Flynt's 1984 presidential campaign. She was regularly invited to appear on TV talk shows as a guest.
Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980 and later a Baptist minister. Murray O'Hair commented, "I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."
In the 1990s, American Atheists staff consisted of O'Hair, her son & a handful of support personnel. On August 27, 1995, O'Hair, her son Jon Garth Murray, and her granddaughter Robin Murray O'Hair disappeared from their home. A typewritten note was attached to the locked office door, saying "The Murray O'Hair family has been called out of town on an emergency basis." Garth Murray ordered US$600,000 worth of gold coins from a San Antonio jeweler, but took delivery of only $400,000 worth of coins. American Atheists employees received several phone calls from Robin and Jon, but neither explained why they had left or when they would return; employees reported that their voices sounded strained and disturbed.
Ultimately an investigation focused on David Waters, a felon with a violent history who had worked for American Atheists. He pled guilty to stealing $54,000 from the organization.[ Shortly after the theft of the money was discovered, O'Hair published an article in the American Atheists newsletter in which she exposed the theft of the money. O'Hair also claimed that, at the age of 17, Waters had killed another teenager.
Federal agents concluded that Waters and his accomplices had kidnapped all three Murray/O'Hair family members, forced them to withdraw the missing funds, went on several shopping sprees with their money and credit cards, and killed and dismembered all three people. In January 2001, after Waters pled guilty to conspiracy and told the federal agents that the O'Hairs were buried on a Texas ranch. He subsequently led them to their bodies.
O’Hair’s legacy continues. Episode 10 in season 7 of Forensic Files dealt with the disappearance of Madalyn Murray O'Hair. And a 2017 Netflix original movie, The Most Hated Woman in America, is a loose dramatization of O'Hair's life. And an episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent entitled "Eosphoros"[48] is loosely based on O'Hair's murder.
Dr Edward Bauman's life also took strange twists and turns. He earned a PhD in Systemic Theology from Boston University in 1954 and then taught Religion at American University. While teaching at American University he began a weekly television series that ran for 34 years. Bauman Bible Telecasts was formed & distributed his Emmy winning series to TV stations, churches and other organizations around the world. A Time Magazine article published in 1979 titled "American Preaching: A Dying Art?" named Bauman as one of "seven star preachers" in America.
In a letter to Foundry United Methodist Church some years later Bauman wrote that he had had "relationships of a sexual nature . . . with several women in the congregation." On his TV show he said that he never had sexual intercourse with the women. The contacts involved "hugging and affectionate kissing". Bauman agreed to undergo outpatient psychiatric counseling at Johns Hopkins Hospital and retired. "I know I made a serious mistake. I am sorry for the people I hurt. I am making all the restitution I know how to make, and I am going to rebuild my life having learned from this mistake."
Bauman's admission came at a time of increasing reports of sexual abuse by clergy. According to a story in the United Methodist newsletter, 13% of pastors in five Protestant denominations acknowledged having sexual intercourse with parishioners.

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@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker
@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Жыл бұрын
How Christians dealt with the 1960s - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5icerx0ta2Yg3U.html
@nopepunx1981
@nopepunx1981 10 ай бұрын
Dr. Bauman actually just passed only 2 years ago. I would've liked to meet with him to speak to him. I think having sexual relationships with other consenting adults isn't the type of sexual perversion that's the problem in these cultist religions. It's the sexual abuse of children. So, with that being said I would of liked to speak to him. I hear he was a very nice man. Wonder where his soul is now?
@albertmarnell9976
@albertmarnell9976 5 ай бұрын
I went to 12 years of private Christian-Lutheran schools from 1960-1972. It should be illegal to brainwash vulnerable children about fantasy, superstition and then give the institutes of anti-rational and logical thought all kinds of tax exemptions. Just as a pedophile does, religion wants to get them while they are young. By age 20 I was an atheist 100%.
@christopherbettridge5983
@christopherbettridge5983 13 күн бұрын
@@nopepunx1981 I would imagine, taking into account his having spoke of God's grace, that he's (or whatever part of "him" is still coherent to us) that he's part of whatever Heaven is. Hell's for the living dead, all around us......I agree with your comment about sexual relationships completely
@alexmiles40
@alexmiles40 Жыл бұрын
I remember this. My father used it as an example of freedom of speech. No anger. No judgement. Seems like current world has forgotten how to listen and respect each other.
@DickDickstein
@DickDickstein Жыл бұрын
Now people are shamed, and cancelled for their own ideas because they might question the government's and the media's portrayal of reality.
@B_Bodziak
@B_Bodziak Жыл бұрын
@@sabias3932 All sides feel the same way
@paraphenaliac4657
@paraphenaliac4657 Жыл бұрын
@@sabias3932 you think it’s gotten worse since then?
@williambarry8015
@williambarry8015 Жыл бұрын
They didn't forget. It was beaten out of them.
@carlos66965
@carlos66965 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but one side is sadly mistaken. Hint, its the side who owns all the guns.
@matteopepe28
@matteopepe28 Жыл бұрын
Sad how we no longer have these types of constructive debates between opposing ideas. Nowadays it's just about silencing the people who think differently from you
@laidenday7277
@laidenday7277 Жыл бұрын
We do have debates like these. You just have to go watch them...
@jurassicthunder
@jurassicthunder Жыл бұрын
I'd argue we debate better today than those days where it was suppressed to have. Watch Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson debate you'll see.
@chitlitlah
@chitlitlah Жыл бұрын
There are modern debates very much like these. They're just not broadcast on television, but you can easily find them on KZfaq. Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins debated frequently for the atheist side.
@chakra_gal
@chakra_gal Жыл бұрын
I disagree with that. I think back then was more silencing than today is, but today you have a lot of opinions co Stanly coming at you when you say something, thats for sure.
@BostonBaby1000
@BostonBaby1000 Жыл бұрын
I concur.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 11 ай бұрын
She totally routed this man in all rebuttals! I have never seen Madalyn get flustered or unsure of herself in ANY debate with a believer! She was a martyr for reason and secularism!
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d 9 ай бұрын
Atheism is not secularism .
@scottblack7182
@scottblack7182 8 ай бұрын
​@@user-ki1un4jg2dWe all know this thank you ..
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 8 ай бұрын
@@user-ki1un4jg2d Apples and oranges!
@rosalind1635
@rosalind1635 5 ай бұрын
​@@user-ki1un4jg2dThat might be true, but this atheist woman literally died fighting for secularism.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d 5 ай бұрын
She attempted to take away children's rights to celebrate and enjoy Christmas . She sued , and lost , against the astronauts in 1969 for them thanking God that they landed safely on the moon . She hated our founding fathers because they were all men . She was a complete failure as she was unsuccessful in trying to turn America into a godless atheist nation . America is not an atheist nation .@@rosalind1635
@melaniemills4505
@melaniemills4505 11 ай бұрын
Love her or hate her, you got to admit she was a very intelligent, well spoken woman. 🙂
@nopepunx1981
@nopepunx1981 10 ай бұрын
I was just saying that. Bauman was a very smart(doesn't show in this video) man as well. He had a PhD and worked until he was 91 years old teaching etc. I don't believe in his views, but I have heard he was a decent man. Even though he was having sex with a bunch of women in his congregation, unlike the Priests, at least they were consenting adults. I don't agree with him, but at least he was open to having the discussion. Unlike most preachers of his time. I do love Mrs. Ohair tho. Too bad she was murdered(by her own people infact). Breaks my heart.
@user-qm8cc5go8r
@user-qm8cc5go8r 9 ай бұрын
Love her
@scottblack7182
@scottblack7182 8 ай бұрын
​@@nopepunx1981They were not "her people" 🙄.
@lightabounds77
@lightabounds77 8 ай бұрын
Her oldest son, William Murray wrote a book about her and said she was horribly abusive when he and his brother were growing up. He said that she tried to get him to put rat poison in his grandfathers coffee to kill him. She hated men, America and God.
@messiahapostle8239
@messiahapostle8239 7 ай бұрын
Intelligent and in HELL, and causing millions to join her and Mr. Hitchens where they are NOW and wailing their heads off to no avail!!! As legend stated, she tried to repent at her dying time, But... See HOLY BIBLE Proverbs 1:22-32, 1:29 For what happened. JESUS-less Intelligence is the mind and heart STOLEN and In-USE by Satan, and must End with Satan in Satan's home! BeWARE!
@hasaheadachenow
@hasaheadachenow Жыл бұрын
Religion is a crutch, and she was a smart woman. She knew what she was talking about.
@kronos01ful
@kronos01ful 6 ай бұрын
Religion is not a crutch..
@rosalind1635
@rosalind1635 5 ай бұрын
​@@kronos01fulDo you have a better term for the belief in cosmic magic that promises you a happy ever after?
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
​@@kronos01fulYeah, you're right, it's more often a cudgel!
@hondacar1510
@hondacar1510 3 ай бұрын
@@rosalind1635 You are brain dead.
@Project_-jq7jw
@Project_-jq7jw 2 ай бұрын
@@kronos01ful Yeah, it sort of is. People who are about to die call out to God, usually for strength or to see the next day. So, how is this not a crutch? Please explain how I'm wrong. Thanks.
@dhart28
@dhart28 Жыл бұрын
This woman ended up murdered, dismembered, and buried in a shallow grave out in the desert. It's very sad.
@1212matt
@1212matt 5 ай бұрын
I agree.
@lucianewell6084
@lucianewell6084 4 ай бұрын
I wonder if that would have happened if she had God's hedge of protection.
@emalee.
@emalee. 4 ай бұрын
@@lucianewell6084 dumbest comment ever😂
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
​@@lucianewell6084Same thing that happens every day to hundreds of thousands of innocent children of religious parents who pray for the food or medical care that would save their children! God? God? [crickets]
@boxelder9147
@boxelder9147 4 ай бұрын
Did they find the killer or killers?
@bethhayes1
@bethhayes1 11 ай бұрын
O'Hair was a brave, intelligent and well spoken woman, waaaay ahead of her time!
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 9 ай бұрын
She was a hate filled, wicked, demonic woman.
@Jess_2025
@Jess_2025 6 ай бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@sandrajackson709
@sandrajackson709 3 ай бұрын
Ahead of my time too, and I was born much later than her
@tbirdboy
@tbirdboy 2 ай бұрын
Just now discovering her work. Adding her next to Christopher Hitchens as individuals I can hear debate others literally for hours.
@genarosalazar2818
@genarosalazar2818 Ай бұрын
I bet she's screaming Jesus now but it's too late.
@StuffFilms
@StuffFilms Жыл бұрын
Doing this today you would at least have a split audience. Doing this in the 1960s takes real guts, her resolve was intense.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Yes, her resolve was intense, and I think it was too bad that too much of the country ended up giving in to some of her demands.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 our country is better of with many of her victorious lawsuits. This is a secular nation not founded on Christianity
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@markwhitman9029 I disagree. I don't see how she made anything better at all. Name one.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 were you even around in the 60s and 70s? The very fact that she was instrumental in having organized prayer and Bible reading removed from public schools is a towering achievement. Pray in your homes, churches and synagogues and don't make the general public pay taxes for your insanity.She lost many cases but had her share of other conquests too long to go into detail here.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
​@@markwhitman9029 Praying in school was fine. There was no need to take it out if one wanted to do it, and no one was forced to do it. Who is better off? The more secular, and ignorant people who have no regard for Judeo-Christian history, and don't teach good values the worse off children are. They are becoming more and more of a mess now, thanks to a lot of nuttery from the very non-logical left.
@2bleavin
@2bleavin Жыл бұрын
This has gotta be "THE BEST" debate I've ever witnessed on this topic publicly & Im shocked it was in the 60s in biblebelt TEXAS! no matter your belief you've gotta admire that they are able to publicly articulate, disagree & debate there views "without" hate being shot at 1 another its utterly wonderful!
@bnz300
@bnz300 Жыл бұрын
The most important component of a debate besides the subject is stating truthfulness. O’Hare makes numerous statements that are completely false. The other person in the debate was too polite to point this out! Must have been his gentlemanly demeanor!
@2bleavin
@2bleavin Жыл бұрын
@@bnz300 there debating "opinions" the most important component in debating an "opinion" is the ability to articulate it respectfully, listen, and back with examples & researched facts, there both different but both exhibit great debate skills.
@bnz300
@bnz300 Жыл бұрын
@@2bleavin Facts,ie. Truth must back up one’s claims. They’re obligated to be truthful!
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244
@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 11 ай бұрын
It's not by a long shot. She didn't even present the definition of atheism or ask the other side to prove any god or supernatural being exists. There have been many far more intellectual debates in later years. Look up the videos of debates featuring Christopher Hitchens.
@kelseymathias3881
@kelseymathias3881 Жыл бұрын
Seems today she'd have more fans than when this was taped in the 1960s.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
Sadly many young people don't know of her today but American Atheists which she founded still operate for separation of church and state lawsuits
@marco15703
@marco15703 6 ай бұрын
Madalyn Murray O'Hair an exceptionally strong, courageous and intelligent woman who knew how to answer her opponents with great knowledge and without beating around the bush, leaving them stunned. my great admiration and respect for Madalyn Murray, an example of an emancipated woman
@hoverboy
@hoverboy Жыл бұрын
As an atheist I think she is a logical and reasonable person. But I've also learnt that religion really has such a hold on people's minds that the same points we argue today as atheists are still the same ones that were argued even half a century ago. Really hard to change people's minds when they have been driven into them since childhood.
@MomoKunDaYo
@MomoKunDaYo Жыл бұрын
If it's not one religion it's the other, Ive found that most "a-religious" people are just that, those who claim to be atheists are typically religious in a cultural sense, where they idolize other people or themselves alone.
@scottblack7182
@scottblack7182 8 ай бұрын
💯
@connectiontotheworld
@connectiontotheworld 8 ай бұрын
Minds are changing though. More and more non believers all the time.
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
Hard, but not impossible! Worth every effort!
@williamfournier7239
@williamfournier7239 27 күн бұрын
Thank goodness for the www and being able to research these idea's so much more easily today. Hopefully (someday soon🤞) we come to a conclusion and finally surpass this division .
@sassmouthbroyles9952
@sassmouthbroyles9952 Жыл бұрын
We really need more of these conversations in today's society.
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@InXLsisDeo
@InXLsisDeo Жыл бұрын
Unlike in Europe, separation of church and state has become a banned notion in the american political sphere, which is amazing to me.
@stevesmith7839
@stevesmith7839 Жыл бұрын
Rationality rules, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins,
@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244
@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 11 ай бұрын
The many interviews and debates featuring Christoper Hitchens are all over KZfaq.
@stevesmith7839
@stevesmith7839 11 ай бұрын
@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 I find Christopher Hitchen's arguments often lacking and his style is more adversarial than it needs to be. He often relies on clever quips where he should be willing to dive deep.
@Jessica.Wakefield
@Jessica.Wakefield Жыл бұрын
She was so right calling out the hypocrisy of religion, get that crap out of the government, make the churches pay taxes if they want to write laws. Make all those higher ups in religious leadership live on poverty wages like they expect us to live that way. We are regressing as a society rather than progressing, and religion plays a huge factor in that. Honestly, evangelizing in other countries or on the streets of the US should be outlawed.
@Bamaborn2
@Bamaborn2 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, churches and charity's should get tax exemption based on the money that goes to the community or said charity. (Not payroll and a huge building) The original reason churches were tax exempt was works based on what the Bible dictates ( poor, sick, drunkards, elderly such as that) the federal government took over that role. The CEO'S of charitys are making millions, buying hummers, living rich, just like televangelist. Its insane to me. For instance people have been donating to the national heart, lung, cancer and more societies for a century, and no one can afford treatment. How can you be for profit and a charity? None of this is because of God and Jesus, it MANKIND. I agree with your comment!
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
Good for you. You're correct
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d 10 ай бұрын
Stop trying to tell people what to do , like that old hag Madalyn Murray O'Hair tried to do and she was a complete failure .
@VinceOblakII
@VinceOblakII 9 ай бұрын
She was amazing and knew how to make an argument.
@sunnguyen9095
@sunnguyen9095 2 ай бұрын
Such a brave woman....spoke highly against the majority...💪
@randyeno
@randyeno Жыл бұрын
Pretty amazing how civil they are conducting themselves, even as they disagree.
@farangarris2598
@farangarris2598 Жыл бұрын
I am greatful for being able to see this video. Thabk you for posting it Mr. Hoffman. We need to see and hear this type of debate. Our country has forgotten.
@Wildrover82
@Wildrover82 Жыл бұрын
Refreshing hearing this woman explain herself. Imagine hearing people talk like this on TV today. Wouldn't happen.
@patricktuorto
@patricktuorto Жыл бұрын
O’Hair was a hypocrite, she railed against organized religion and yet ironically she created an organized religion called American Atheists that was a money printing machine very much in the manner of a Jim Baker and Joel Osteen, it was a front to launder her militant feminist ideology, but in the end one of her disgruntled ex employees, that she accused of stealing money from her organization, brutally murdered her, decapitated and buried her in a sandy pit along with her son and granddaughter. Ironically her other son became a devout Christian pastor.
@Wildrover82
@Wildrover82 Жыл бұрын
@@patricktuorto atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour. She was murdered in 95 so you can relax...
@patricktuorto
@patricktuorto Жыл бұрын
@@Wildrover82 Putting aside your failed non sequitur attempt at a comparison, her organization "American Atheism" was in fact an organized religion, it made her a mint and that was ultimately the reason for her demise, ironically martyred for her "church of non belief" All her work undone and reversed thanks to the free market exchange of ideas, so I am very relaxed, but thanks anyway for you concern.
@Wildrover82
@Wildrover82 Жыл бұрын
@@patricktuorto it was not a religion. As an organisation it might have had the same legal status as a religion, but not a religion.
@patricktuorto
@patricktuorto Жыл бұрын
@@Wildrover82 The people who ran the organization "American Atheism" had all the hallmarks of being "religious" including how some dealt with so-called infidels, like the puritanical religious zealots who persecuted and disowned their kids if they found out they were gay or a non believer, O’Hair herself disowned her son for becoming a pastor. Atheism like Christianity or any other belief "or disbelief" system isn't inherently bad, but can become so if organized and corrupted by money, power and ideological aims, (I'll also include governments in this) in O'Hair's case, it was a front indoctrination of feminism and communism.
@mwrcrft
@mwrcrft Жыл бұрын
She was certainly was a person of great personal conviction. Her and her family's ending was not something anyone expected.
@albertchavez2693
@albertchavez2693 Жыл бұрын
I liked her as i am a believer in a Creator but Not really any organized religion ! , But what happen to her and her family ?
@dianeatpeace337
@dianeatpeace337 Жыл бұрын
@@albertchavez2693 Read Mr. Hoffman's full description above for the detailed sad and for many years mysterious disappearance of her & her family.
@marius2k8
@marius2k8 Жыл бұрын
God will not be mocked...
@mwrcrft
@mwrcrft Жыл бұрын
@@marius2k8 Who's god are you referring to?
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@MR_Mocha_Major
@MR_Mocha_Major Жыл бұрын
Wow! I am in awe of how beautifully articulate and informed these two individuals are. This has to be one of the best debates I’ve ever seen! Just wow!!!!
@H0mework
@H0mework Жыл бұрын
Check out the firing line for more of this. Buckley interviews a lot of liberals. The new one features Margaret Hoover and she was great with Jordan Peterson.
@deltatango5765
@deltatango5765 Жыл бұрын
This is how debates went back in the 60s. We didn't have such hate, name-calling, dismissiveness and disrespect that you see today. People were willing to hear each other out. No one was screaming to censor everyone who disagreed with them.
@MR_Mocha_Major
@MR_Mocha_Major Жыл бұрын
@@H0mework I can’t wait to check that out! Thanks for the recommendation!
@MR_Mocha_Major
@MR_Mocha_Major Жыл бұрын
@@deltatango5765 I wish we still had that same level of class and respect.
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@Omol_Music
@Omol_Music 8 ай бұрын
Oh my! This woman gives me so much confidence in myself. I wish she was alive today to give more speeches. Thanks to the internet though, I can play these debates over and over again!
@Omol_Music
@Omol_Music 9 ай бұрын
This woman is the embodiment of intelligence, flair, sophistication, and brilliance. We can literally feel the heaviness of her words. Why? Because we know it to be true
@edelthegoddess
@edelthegoddess 7 ай бұрын
Yaaaaaaaas ! SO SWEET ! Soul food ♥
@MissPerriwinkle
@MissPerriwinkle Жыл бұрын
she was a terrific mind.
@IgnacioBarretoYT
@IgnacioBarretoYT 8 ай бұрын
one of the great American heroes. Go Madalyn!
@banjogeb
@banjogeb 7 ай бұрын
@Andrea-xs4ny
@Andrea-xs4ny Жыл бұрын
My mother was friends with Madalyn and I was friends with her granddaughter, Robin. My parents were both atheists and I had never been to church. I honestly didn't know what all the controversy was. When they disappeared, it was a shock because we knew them personally. I'm now a Christian, for which Madalyn would have hated me, and I feel sad for what she stood for. Yes, we have the freedom of religion, and that's wonderful, but seeing her through adult eyes, and through a Christian's eyes, makes me sad. Thank you for posting, Mr. Hoffman! EDIT: I wanted to add that I've felt a deep sadness and grief over what happened to Robin, especially. She was young, just a couple of years younger than me, and caught up in the influence of her grandmother and the whole environment she was raised in. I see her as a naive victim. They all met a horrible end, but the death of Robin really hurt.
@matthewmcalister2165
@matthewmcalister2165 Жыл бұрын
Was Madalyn as unpleasant and bigoted in real life as she conveyed on film?
@Andrea-xs4ny
@Andrea-xs4ny Жыл бұрын
@@matthewmcalister2165 Yes, she was a very serious woman but, to be honest, I grew up surrounded by anti-religious, strict and serious people, so I barely noticed that she was like that. This is the first time I've mentioned anything about my family's connection to the O'Hairs. It's a "dirty secret" and I felt this was a safe way to unload my grief about Robin. She and I both grew up in similar, unhappy circumstances, so I relate to her.
@Tokinjester
@Tokinjester Жыл бұрын
A _naive victim_ ? Did you mean, in the sense that literally *_all_* children are _naive victims_ of their parents' chosen religions?
@MrRAGE-md5rj
@MrRAGE-md5rj Жыл бұрын
@@Tokinjester She was young, innocent, and naive. She had her whole life ahead of her. But it was cut short because of her grandmother. Have some respect for the dead.
@Tokinjester
@Tokinjester Жыл бұрын
@@MrRAGE-md5rj GFY 🙂
@robertreid9955
@robertreid9955 8 ай бұрын
"Hallelujah! Im glad you had a little fun." 😂 That was great. She couldn't have given a more badass response in that moment if she tried, and it rolled right off her tongue without thought. (30:57 - 33:02)
@mercadolibre7787
@mercadolibre7787 Жыл бұрын
She is amazingly smart and logical woman
@terbospeed
@terbospeed 7 ай бұрын
As knowledge and understanding increase through science, religions and magical thinking will die. This woman was a pioneer.
@pamelaaverrett5848
@pamelaaverrett5848 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this with us. You often share thought provoking content. Her tone is so harsh, but I enjoyed hearing her out.
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@pianoman551000
@pianoman551000 Жыл бұрын
Yes, her tone was harsh.....not surprisingly! This was one of her earliest appearances on tv. She really had to withstand a lot of criticism from the press and media in those days to get her rational thinking across to the public. Overtime she chilled out with her appearances and was very ingratiating with those interviewing her. I loved her interview with William Buckley; she got him rattled numerous times, but she did so with charm and smiles!!
@LisaSmith-ie7gq
@LisaSmith-ie7gq Жыл бұрын
Wow. Madalyn was so intelligent and well spoken!! This lady was way ahead of her time.
@happy777abc
@happy777abc Жыл бұрын
Lots of people were like this at that time. We learned to kindly debate at age 10. I was born in 1968. Kids all over were well spoken, and had common sense. ( I lived in four different states growing up). This common sense was taught by families, just naturally. It's no longer part of most families, so kids don't learn this type of thinking.
@Gee-xb7rt
@Gee-xb7rt 10 ай бұрын
​@@happy777abc my right wing family are little powder kegs and assume that I am the same, its really quite annoying, i assume Jung would be able to explain it with theories of ego and shadow.
@DouglasTimes
@DouglasTimes Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: her son became a baptist minister that lobbied DC on behalf of persecuted Christians throughout the world.
@judierenfrow8073
@judierenfrow8073 Жыл бұрын
Her grandson murdered her.
@DouglasTimes
@DouglasTimes Жыл бұрын
@@thealternative9580 you are not getting that from the synopsis found here.
@DouglasTimes
@DouglasTimes Жыл бұрын
@@judierenfrow8073 geeze! I had to look that up. I did not see anything that suggested the murderer had a family connection to O’Hare but what a macabre murder.
@DouglasTimes
@DouglasTimes Жыл бұрын
@@thealternative9580 all I see is him admitting to inappropriate relationships, nothing about abuse.
@larryb982
@larryb982 Жыл бұрын
@@thealternative9580 you truly are lacking in your understanding here. Your pushing what you believe not what is the founded truth of the situation. If you put your faith in man You will be follie , that man didn't nor never has had the power to send anyone to heaven or hell. As well he's only same as any other man. That's is to say we all have made mistakes in our journey in life.
@bluetortilla
@bluetortilla Жыл бұрын
If only we still debated like this,. with civility instead of sociopathy.
@billlyons7024
@billlyons7024 Жыл бұрын
I like her, she isn't having any BS.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
I don't like her one bit. She is very, very hateful, cold and calculating.
@Iwilldestroyyoo
@Iwilldestroyyoo Жыл бұрын
That hag was the BS 😂
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
Isn't it funny how "belief system" shares an acronym with "bull s**t!" 😂
@1st1anarkissed
@1st1anarkissed Жыл бұрын
I love her. We need more of her.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
No, we don't.
@B_Bodziak
@B_Bodziak Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 Why? Do you not want atheism pushed onto you and taught to your children in school? Now, you know how she feels.
@brianfergus839
@brianfergus839 Жыл бұрын
Check out the Atheist Experience KZfaq channel.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@B_Bodziak Atheism didn't help build, and create western civilization, the Judeo-Christian traditions did. Children need to be taught history. Our history is not taught well when you leave out the reality of what our culture was based upon. Our religious history is our cultural heritage. You don't have to teach bible classes, but you don't have to keep the children stupid because you hate religion.
@richa.s9912
@richa.s9912 8 ай бұрын
So you live being a professional Demoncratic Party supporters of killing innocent American black and white and brown and yellow and red innocent poor regular Christian Republican Party people.
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 Жыл бұрын
It's surreal to see what is considered radical in politics, back then, is fairly mild today. I find it unsurprising on why my grandfather (God, rest his soul) was very critical of modern politics.
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 Жыл бұрын
@@thealternative9580 It's not too bad out in rural South Carolina. Most people out here are gonna just say something along the lines of, "Live and let live" or "Just leave me out of it, and we'll get along".
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 Жыл бұрын
@@thealternative9580 I mean, that might be a fair assessment, but then again, I haven't been around them parts much, aside from Mississippi, but they seem to have some good folks out there. South Carolina is definitely relatively Conservative and mostly religious, but obviously parts like Columbia, Clemson, and Charleston might be a little more Liberal. Everywhere else, it's pretty much a, "live and let live" kinda deal. Easy to basically just expect everyone out here to be armed at home or in their car anyways, so no reason to mess with folks. I think it's pretty quiet and comfy. I've heard a lot of good from the folks from Tennessee, but I hear Arkansas is a mixed bag. Most the people down here in SC just wanna keep their guns and live in peace lol. I suppose that's the dream for many in this country though.
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 Жыл бұрын
@@ms.d5195 What I meant by mild is it's shock value. Seeing something like this on television in 2023 wouldn't invoke as much emotion as it did in their era.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@pineappleginseng1557 Have a TV discussion on, "Why America is NOT a racist country". ......😁
@pineappleginseng1557
@pineappleginseng1557 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 I'm not quite understanding the context of this comment post. I mean, are you trying to get me to recognize that it exists?
@888Gypsy888
@888Gypsy888 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for this posting. She was freaking Awesome! Ahead of her Time!
@pinkiesue849
@pinkiesue849 3 ай бұрын
Where is she now
@dearashad
@dearashad 8 ай бұрын
She is one of my super heroes ❤ thank you for uploading this.
@richa.s9912
@richa.s9912 8 ай бұрын
She died a SATAN lover of Untruthfulness and untrustworthy and totally sinful nature unlovable person who had such hatred towards God's LAWS of 10 commandments and Common sense TRUTH rules and kept repeating lies after LIES about Christianity Values people and kids and lies about U.S. CONSTITUTION AND Declaration of Independence and Amendment Rights LAWS to have freedom of speech and Amendment Rights LAWS to have freedom of choice to have religious beliefs in America.
@richa.s9912
@richa.s9912 8 ай бұрын
O'Hare has such hatred towards her own son and family members and hired corrupted criminals mob people out of jail to silence her son and trying to kill him off but son cutting his mom's bodies bits by bits and burying her bodies in different places graves along with her others son and daughter in grave O' Hare went crazy and after t.v. interviews several shows and becoming unhinged and untrustworthy and Untruthfulness unhappy.
@tonygoodkind7858
@tonygoodkind7858 8 ай бұрын
@@richa.s9912 If that was true, do you find it weird your post didn't contain evidence of a god? That's what would prove her conclusively wrong, yet mysteriously I'm seeing no theists presenting evidence.
@Ashas.Garden
@Ashas.Garden Жыл бұрын
What a pleasure to watch. Nothing I would’ve sought or thought I’d be interested in watching.
@michaelburke5907
@michaelburke5907 Жыл бұрын
You go girl! She was amazing. Made her antagonist squirm in his skinny seat.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
She usually made her opposition look foolish especially the clergy. Adore her
@morgellon7877
@morgellon7877 Жыл бұрын
When I was thirteen I found an old Hustler magazine in an abandoned shack that had an interview with her. I grew up in a very restrictive religious household, and was no longer religious, myself, so reading her words were a formative experience for me, even moreso than the other contents of the magazine whose forbidden allure rapidly waned a quite a bit. She was the one who made me realize not only freaks and the drugged-out rockers I listened to were were atheists, but ordinary people were, as well. That same issue also had an interview with Church of Satan founder Anton Szandor LaVey; quite a score for a young Marilyn Manson fan like myself, hehe, but unfortunately my ultra-religious older sister went snooping in my room and found it and gave it to my mom and they burned it.
@B_Bodziak
@B_Bodziak Жыл бұрын
She was instrumental in Larry Flynt's presidential campaign. Wasn't he the founder of Hustler?
@morgellon7877
@morgellon7877 Жыл бұрын
@@B_Bodziak He was, yeah. I didn't know he ran for president. Apparently that was in 1984; the latest issues we found in that shack were from like 1981. There were like three big boxes, and I read all the Hustlers, haha. There were also Playboys, Penthouse and other random ones, but the articles, editorials and interviews weren't nearly as interesting to me. The issues spanned over the time Flynt was shot. I remember there was one Hustler article about a straight man who turned out to be genetically female, and I became convinced for like two years that was my issue because everybody would always ask me if I was a boy or girl.
@larrytate5605
@larrytate5605 Жыл бұрын
they prob did not burn it until they spent an hour or so flipping thru the pages !!!
@morgellon7877
@morgellon7877 Жыл бұрын
@@larrytate5605 True.
@phononut
@phononut Жыл бұрын
I remember watching an old Forensics files about her and her son. What a gruesome way to go.
@talkshitko9234
@talkshitko9234 Жыл бұрын
Please tell.or link info 👍
@eemoogee160
@eemoogee160 Жыл бұрын
​@Talkshit Ko why give a thumbs up for that?
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@bluegreybaby
@bluegreybaby Жыл бұрын
@@kataisa3 what a disgusting and dismissive comment. People should be allowed, unfettered to discuss their beliefs and educated stances in a public forum without the fear of being targets of hate. Sure actions have consequences, but using that statement in response to this is both reprehensible and vile.
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
Christians die violently too. Joan of Arc comes to mind
@sanoj92
@sanoj92 Жыл бұрын
Damn, she is good.
@TheLivirus
@TheLivirus Жыл бұрын
What an incredibly articulate and sharp woman!
@luckydave328
@luckydave328 Жыл бұрын
Articulate
@TheLivirus
@TheLivirus Жыл бұрын
@@luckydave328 The irony
@luckydave328
@luckydave328 Жыл бұрын
@@TheLivirus 😊
@noirnoble1181
@noirnoble1181 Жыл бұрын
​@@luckydave328👈 sheep mentality can't understand human reasoning.
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
D'accord!
@JWF99
@JWF99 Жыл бұрын
This is Interesting footage! Thank You David!✌
@karenbozwell252
@karenbozwell252 Жыл бұрын
I have seen this debate before but each time I watch it I learn and notice new things. For example, today I noticed the way the audience seemed most comfortable smiling and laughing whenever the tension arose. Interesting!
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Sure wish we would have more audience discussions, Q and A's on serious topics like this. Would be very interesting.
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
We have very simian qualities to this day! 😊
@koof1776
@koof1776 Жыл бұрын
This woman's IQ & EQ were High Off the Charts~
@MollyWinter
@MollyWinter Жыл бұрын
This was fascinating. If time were no issue, those two could keep a respectful debate going until sunrise.
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl
@MilitaryGeneral-sm4wl Жыл бұрын
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@vickim8836
@vickim8836 Жыл бұрын
She says everyone should have the right to their own beliefs. What a hypocrite. She disowned her son when he became a Christian. What she's saying is unless you think like me your wrong. Just exactly like big business religion. Thanks for all your thought evoking and emotion evoking videos Mr. Hoffman I wish there were more people just like you out there.
@matthewmcalister2165
@matthewmcalister2165 Жыл бұрын
She certainly was. Not only did she disown him, but actually said that it was like a post-birth abortion. She was a despicable person and I have no sympathy for what became of her.
@IamMiXeM
@IamMiXeM Жыл бұрын
Incredible debate. I would side with Ms O'Hair. Very entertaining. 🌍❤️☘️
@markadams8041
@markadams8041 Жыл бұрын
I remember my father, a dedicated Catholic who did practice the blessed sacraments and believed in the faith, how much he approved of this woman looking out for our constitution. We do need more open debate, especially about the multiple transgenderism issues.
@eemoogee160
@eemoogee160 Жыл бұрын
Good on him
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
For discussions, interviews on "transgenderism", I recommend Jordan Petersons videos with Abigail Shrier, and other various videos with Helen Joyce. All on KZfaq.
@mikem7825
@mikem7825 Жыл бұрын
Seems She was a pretty nasty and hateful woman!
@cainedavenport1187
@cainedavenport1187 11 ай бұрын
That sounds foolish, respectively
@niksatan
@niksatan Жыл бұрын
Mr. David you really have beautiful collection of treasures
@7thMack
@7thMack Жыл бұрын
I don’t hate her one bit. I think she’s ferocious and ferociously intelligent, and because of the era she lived through - she’s a flat out f’ing hero among women IMO. Makes me wish I had taken the time in college to delve into women’s studies more.
@user-ki1un4jg2d
@user-ki1un4jg2d 10 ай бұрын
You do know that she attempted to take away children's rights to enjoy and celebrate Christmas .
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
​​@@user-ki1un4jg2dDid you know the Bible forbids bringing a tree into one's house and decorating it? Jeremiah 10:1-25. Christmas is nowhere in the bible and is a pagan holiday from the start.
@pajdovelicanstveni
@pajdovelicanstveni Жыл бұрын
I have a very hard time concentrating and English is not my native language but I sat through the entire debate and enjoyed every second of it. The way people debate now makes me sick to my stomach and a video of more than 3 minutes is more than I can handle. Thank you mr. Hoffman for this.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
There are very good debates, discussions on various topics on KZfaq.
@bluegreybaby
@bluegreybaby Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this David. As I get older I am amazed just how much we as people today have the same exact conversations that we as a society have been having for decades. It only gives weight to the saying that our lives, although seem long to us, are just tiny blips in human history. It seems as though technology moves us forward, our thoughts and ideals remain unchanged and unprogressed. This only emphasizes the need for historic learning at ALL points in one's life. Its the only way we can move the conversation forward generations; no matter the subject matter.
@unicornmadness6286
@unicornmadness6286 Жыл бұрын
David Hoffman, I love your channel and the video's you've chosen to share with the world. I really hope you know that you do have supporter's and they do care. I hope you don't deactivate this KZfaq account, because it would be a shame. ❤
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen
@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen 5 ай бұрын
👏😐 Rest in peace Madalyn and her family. Their lives were unfortunately taken too soon by horribly selfish and cruel people. Great video. May videos like these immortalize her.
@joanpeterson1242
@joanpeterson1242 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much neighbor! Fabulous! I learned so much. I guess I am an atheist after all. I have a lot more of your documentaries to watch. - Joan
@onecoolcat2478
@onecoolcat2478 Жыл бұрын
She doesn't want atheists to be mocked but she has no problem mocking religion
@Instramark
@Instramark Жыл бұрын
Atheism isn't the problem. Religion is, and deserves to be mocked.
@onecoolcat2478
@onecoolcat2478 Жыл бұрын
@@Instramark religion isn't the problem.....people are.
@larrytate5605
@larrytate5605 Жыл бұрын
@@onecoolcat2478 yes, the weak minded people who believe religion
@Instramark
@Instramark Жыл бұрын
@@onecoolcat2478 If you mean what harm people do in the name of religion, I could be with you. Sounds like the gun thing, guns don't kill people. Either way.......will We ever stop creating destructive institutions compared to nothing but positive ones?
@onecoolcat2478
@onecoolcat2478 Жыл бұрын
@Instramark I think it's in our DNA to fight - for social status (I'm better than you), religion (my views are right and yours are wrong), politics (power over others) etc etc. It's my opinion that Jesus simply wanted to give us another point of view; there is a win-win option where everyone could benefit. For it to work, we must all agree to a common goal - simply love one another and treat everyone with dignity and respect. That would include restraining from mocking others. There is no respect or dignity in that. When Jesus was asked which of his commandment was the greatest....it wasn't "believe in me or you will go to Hell"....it simply was "Love one another." This lady is obviously articulate and well read, so I don't know what to make of it when she focuses on the negative aspects of the Bible - and there are plenty - and not the positive.....unless she has a selfish agenda....
@DeesBees85
@DeesBees85 Жыл бұрын
You had to be incredibly brave to be so public with your atheism in the 60’s. The percentage of people that are religious drops each decade and I’m certain that will continue into the future.
@stonkodactyl9210
@stonkodactyl9210 Жыл бұрын
and still, we are no closer to understanding, one way or the other. Hence, the question remains.
@christophermorgan3261
@christophermorgan3261 Жыл бұрын
Unless one lives in the American South.
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn Жыл бұрын
@@stonkodactyl9210 We will possibly never come close to understanding, but the appeal of Christianity as a satisfactory answer to those questions has evidently had its day. People are voting with their feet.
@stonkodactyl9210
@stonkodactyl9210 Жыл бұрын
@@markofsaltburn if there is a God, I would think it does not depend on our politics and labels.
@5150Rockstar
@5150Rockstar Жыл бұрын
Skepticism and reason is not a religion. Madalyn is a hero for all those that battle against stupidity, theocracy and superstition
@JesusPrice
@JesusPrice Жыл бұрын
I agree 110%.
@TroysSweetCornhole
@TroysSweetCornhole Жыл бұрын
Faith in Jesus isn't skeptical Have some respect for people's views
@5150Rockstar
@5150Rockstar Жыл бұрын
The desire to worship any deity is the wish to live as an abject serf. A bit too masochistic for my taste but I wouldn’t stop anybody from doing it.
@stonkodactyl9210
@stonkodactyl9210 Жыл бұрын
Ironically, atheists put themselves in the place of God, by assuming the power to determine there is not one.
@billlyons7024
@billlyons7024 Жыл бұрын
@@stonkodactyl9210 No, they put themselves in the place of intelligent adults who can tell the difference between reality and fairy tales.
@sadiedavenport
@sadiedavenport Жыл бұрын
This is just excellent! These debaters are thoughtful, intelligent, and principled, and I'd like to shake the hand of each. I know they're long dead, but hats off to them, seriously. 🤘🤘
@1980bwc
@1980bwc Жыл бұрын
I heard her son speak at church when I was a kid. He became a great minister of the gospel despite his mother.
@garychap8384
@garychap8384 4 ай бұрын
Brave woman, smart woman, and a true humanist.
@michaelthomas8439
@michaelthomas8439 8 ай бұрын
She was a brilliant debater. Always comes back to the point and makes it well every time an attempt is made to draw her away
@Dad-lu1oi
@Dad-lu1oi Жыл бұрын
She’s so smart
@drewpall2598
@drewpall2598 Жыл бұрын
Wow! just Wow. one of the best debates I've seen, I never heard of Madalyn Murray O'Hair or her opponent. both of them come across intelligent in their belief. I don't think this kind of debate, or this actual program could be aired on television now a days. another Gem David Hoffman.
@drewpall2598
@drewpall2598 Жыл бұрын
As I said in my previous comment, I never heard of Madalyn Murray O'Hair so I did a little research on her. even though my religious belief is different from her it's sad the way she her son Jon Garth Murray, and her granddaughter Robin Murray O'Hair died.
@Lea-rb9nc
@Lea-rb9nc 8 ай бұрын
I never hated her. I was a very young girl when I heard her in a debate hosted by Phil Donahue. It felt as though she was reading both my miind and what I knew in my heart. She let me know that I wasn't alone in what I inherently knew.
@africanbantushaman9351
@africanbantushaman9351 4 ай бұрын
When she spoke, I heard myself in her too.
@thehotyounggrandpas8207
@thehotyounggrandpas8207 Жыл бұрын
She was a great woman and very brave to speak her mind in such a radical Christian society.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
"Radical Christian society"? Darn good then. We helped win WW2.
@thehotyounggrandpas8207
@thehotyounggrandpas8207 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 Yeah, and you also did the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@thehotyounggrandpas8207 No, grandpa, I didn't. That was one group of disgusting scientists. It's been decried for decades, so stop trying to blame the whole country for it.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@cs5384 Why don't you ask those Christians those questions? I am no fan of narrow minded people, period. I know plenty of nutty secular people. I know some really cool Christians. People are quite varied.
@thehotyounggrandpas8207
@thehotyounggrandpas8207 Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 Nice cherry picking!
@XBKLYN
@XBKLYN Жыл бұрын
There are a number of comments concerning civility in the debate, and that's superficially true, but Ms. O'Hair was subject to ongoing death threats throughout her entire life.....maybe not so civil or different from today after all.
@bettym.3996
@bettym.3996 Жыл бұрын
And so now we have The View.
@corygiesbrecht5423
@corygiesbrecht5423 Жыл бұрын
Oh Geez.... How far we come! 😂
@AggresivelyBenign
@AggresivelyBenign 8 ай бұрын
You always impress me by providing material from all walks, disciplines, and viewpoints. I imagine your subscribers are collectively some of the most informed in this platform due, in part, to your endeavors. Thank you. Be well.
@ericrobinson7184
@ericrobinson7184 Жыл бұрын
She's a badass!
@manp1039
@manp1039 Жыл бұрын
she was brave and smart
@Caritasaveritas
@Caritasaveritas Жыл бұрын
This along with her son’s interview are interesting. He reveals a great insight.
@Caritasaveritas
@Caritasaveritas Жыл бұрын
Her son, however, is a kind compassionate man, who speaks about free speech and opposes Marxism.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@Caritasaveritas Anyone with any sense opposes Marxism.
@Caritasaveritas
@Caritasaveritas Жыл бұрын
@@serpentines6356 agreed 👍
@hagelslag9312
@hagelslag9312 Жыл бұрын
The description you included is haunting to read in comparison with the civil discussion I am listening to.
@LindaCasey
@LindaCasey Жыл бұрын
My goodness, what a brilliant and profound exchange of ideas between two intellectuals. I could CERTAINLY relate to both sides of the debate (reminiscent of Ayn Rand). Though earning the title of 'the most hated woman in America' .. she wasn't killed for her ideas as much as for her money and revenge. Thank you David for posting this most important, thought provoking video!🕊
@melg.5151
@melg.5151 Жыл бұрын
Sadly all we get these days people talking over each other
@LindaCasey
@LindaCasey Жыл бұрын
@@melg.5151 Then we just have to tune them out and look for more intellectual exchanges of thought. What we focus on becomes our reality after all. I have no time for what is called in Dutch: bekvechten (mouth fighting).😏
@melg.5151
@melg.5151 Жыл бұрын
@@LindaCasey just learned a new word. Thanks
@floater1063
@floater1063 Жыл бұрын
I worked under someone like her. Everyone was afraid of her. They walked in the business door, following the tape on the floor bowing down to her. She was salty as hell.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
This lady is not "salty". She is hateful, and very, very cold.
@moisesperez4605
@moisesperez4605 Жыл бұрын
And they still exist now, like the Marjorie Taylor greens of the worlds, rich, and she reflects her Christian values, taking pictures with an A.R. 15,. But she did have some good points put it that way, I am a Catholic, and I seen her point of you as well. Both of these people well-versed.
@floater1063
@floater1063 Жыл бұрын
​@@serpentines6356salty is hateful
@moisesperez4605
@moisesperez4605 Жыл бұрын
@@WowDoodWuuut God, never preached violence,, the Maga Republicans, preach Christianity, and at the same time they’re willing to kill. Margie Taylor, Green, preaches, Christianity, and love, but at the same time she takes a picture with an A.R. 15, and she’s ready to inflict harm, I quote Again, Jesus, never preached, hate, or violence, and these Christian fundamental is due. My God says we must love each other, my God does not say pick up a gun, and harm your brother..
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@cs5384 I stand by what I stated. She was hateful towards the Judeo-Christian religion, and people's need for God. She makes that quite clear by what she stated, and did with her life, so I have no idea how you cannot see it. I do not see the "nice/nasty" Pastor that you see. Not at all. I have no idea how you see that.
@TheNetOwl
@TheNetOwl Жыл бұрын
I would miss your insight...you are one of a kind.
@nocount1
@nocount1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this---very valuable document here.
@the.new.atheist
@the.new.atheist 4 күн бұрын
DO NOT SURRENDER YOUR THOUGHTS YOUNG MAN.... thank you MADALYN
@tron.44
@tron.44 Жыл бұрын
As soon as she opened her mouth, I fell in love with her viewpoint (the atheist woman). Imagine what a shock this was back then!
@markwhitman9029
@markwhitman9029 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes Madalyn had many death threats but kept going. She founded American Atheists which still operates fighting for separation of church and state
@marlonlo9661
@marlonlo9661 Жыл бұрын
Why was she considered the most hated woman in the USA? What she said didn't seem that outright.
@matias49938
@matias49938 7 ай бұрын
Sharp as he'll, she was really one of a kind! 😊😊😊
@MusicMissionary
@MusicMissionary Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. She was the boogie man when I was a kid in the Baptist church. They haaaated her.
@MrRobertFarr
@MrRobertFarr Жыл бұрын
All part of the entertainment. But, she was a Deacon. Kind of bullied. I hope, she fared well, and was not torn down by bigots. Keen to discredit her . Maybe she, went on to preach in a church of her own ?
@MusicMissionary
@MusicMissionary Жыл бұрын
@@MrRobertFarr She actually met a pretty sad end. She & 2 family members were robbed and murdered by an employee. Wikipedia gets into it.
@MrRobertFarr
@MrRobertFarr Жыл бұрын
@@MusicMissionary Wikipedia facts, can't always be relied upon to be correct Charles Wood. That might be, a great shame because if you consider the quote : 'I am The Athiest!' Listen, to the tone of voice, the timing of that statement. Where, it's possible for folks with some social skills to gain quickly, an understanding of that interview. Looking, closely, as is possible with this fantastic footage, you get the reaction of the other players. We see affection, and they respond by smiling, and look just about to burst out laughing. Well, it's interesting that this video has popped up actually. Just, when. I was in a certain train of thought, marked, by a conversation, I was having with a Pen Pal, I recently acquired on a new platform. Thanks for the reminder, it's a lovely video, capturing so well the show. I never knew, the Athiest word, had this context. It's a very interesting video, but, I am uneasy about sharing it publicly. If, it might create a negative reaction in some, who have only a chance to glance at the title.
@pmfg875
@pmfg875 Жыл бұрын
This video shows an amazing moment in cultural history. I think O’Hair felt the brunt of the saying “only children and crazy people tell the truth”. 10:42 Why can’t there be such intellectual sparring and non violent discussion today? I wonder if her and Chris Hitchens were related. She is one of the few people that could argue as precisely as he could. Dude with glasses makes a good effort, benefiting from his lived experience of going to school with Martin Luther King Jr. and admitting Joseph Campbell like open mindedness, saying G*d is a he, she or it, and acknowledged other faiths and philosophies. O’Hair came across as being on the high functioning autistic spectrum as well. Another reason she might have been misunderstood.
@telllomaile8039
@telllomaile8039 9 ай бұрын
Great debate, very informative..
@moravianlion3108
@moravianlion3108 Жыл бұрын
So, according to the theologist, god ultimately loves her, but everyone can agree she's going to hell nevertheless. Then everyone claps like crazy. End scene. This is truly chilling.
@JWF99
@JWF99 Жыл бұрын
I had an Uncle that used to say there wasn't one atheist in the fox holes of the South Pacific😂✌
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn Жыл бұрын
and?
@JWF99
@JWF99 Жыл бұрын
@@markofsaltburn And Nothing! Are you looking for something elese? Relax, just a humorous comment, if that' Ok with you
@markofsaltburn
@markofsaltburn Жыл бұрын
@@JWF99 Calm down, sweetie 😂
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
@@markofsaltburn He is calm. Stop trolling around just to be a jerk.
@serpentines6356
@serpentines6356 Жыл бұрын
Exactly right. Majority of "our boys" sure weren't atheist when they had to go fight WW2.
@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1
@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1 Жыл бұрын
She did not mince her words.
@masonaccardo9423
@masonaccardo9423 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for what you do Mr Hoffman
@williamriley5118
@williamriley5118 Жыл бұрын
Debating should be a requirement in public education going forward. I really think that would lessen all of the awful performance art theatrics that we see masquerading as debating nowadays.
@aaronknight9759
@aaronknight9759 Жыл бұрын
Phil Donahue was able to use this format effectively until there was just too much polarization and sensationalism to complete against.
@kurtzFPV
@kurtzFPV Жыл бұрын
Phil was fired as the host of the highest rated show on MSNBC and one of the highest rated shows period because he opposed the first invasion of Iraq.
@hauntedbearchild
@hauntedbearchild Жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to have been around for all of this. It wasn't O'Hair's beliefs or non-beliefs that made people dislike, it was her highly obnoxious attitude and non-acceptance of the concepts of others, among other things. Her own son became a Christian and a minister and she nastily disowned him. She disliked people who were different. But, you had the choice to listen to her, or not. She was permitted to speak. She came to a really bad end though, and it was her own family that brought her down. I think it was her personality and behavior that made her so hated and not so much her beliefs.
@BallMarks
@BallMarks 9 ай бұрын
This is simply untrue. It was definitely her beliefs and the fact that people felt threatened, personally injured and defensively angry.
@user-hr3tx6uu9o
@user-hr3tx6uu9o Ай бұрын
When she got out of jail, she said " Thank God!" What irony.
@farcenter
@farcenter Жыл бұрын
Her point about the discrepancy between the way intellectual deistic people speak about God and their beliefs, and the way it is largely received by the general theistic public was spot on and extremely pertinent to today. It is a point I've often tried to make but rarely conveyed well regarding Jordan Peterson, in particular, I think he is both often misunderstood by a more literalistic or theistic audience, and he himself misunderstands his own audiences level of understanding in his own way of thinking and belief around God. While the two may be moving closer together, It seems to me that many of his audiences mistake some of his language around God as pertaining to the literal, and he mistakes their understanding as figurative and mythological.
@davidanderson6055
@davidanderson6055 Жыл бұрын
I just went to a lecture of his, a couple days ago, and I concur. Though I think most evangelicals just are hoping that he'll get saved.
@beausbargarage6213
@beausbargarage6213 11 ай бұрын
she was major wrong and it shows. Very weak understanding
@aceautonewportky
@aceautonewportky 8 ай бұрын
Man o man could we need a voice of reason like Madalyn Murray O'Hare now!!! In our current time.
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