Dayton Epique Drivers - A New Classification Woofer? Talk with Chris Perez

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Dayton Epique Drivers - A New Classification Woofer? Talk with Chris Perez

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3 жыл бұрын

#epique #diyaudio #daytonaudio
Today I sit down and talk with Chris Perez of Dayton audio about their new Epique line drivers. According to Chris, these really should have a new classification. They can hit subwoofer levels while still playing well into a two way crossover point. Are these drivers really that Epique? Come find out why Chris thinks they are.
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@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Epique 5.5" bit.ly/2VK5GEM Epique 7" bit.ly/3gceDOy

@JoshM7 3 жыл бұрын

You had my attention at "Dayton" Seems like all I look at these days is Dayton speakers.

@JoshM7 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder I'd the 5.25" woofer will fit in my cars door. Then I just need to choose a Dayton tweeter (have a few lined up to choose from already) and get some DSP for active crossovers and have fun tweaking it. (With a cap on the tweeter to at least protect it from any possible pops or something like that)

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoshM7 dude that's exactly what Hi-Fi Vega said!

@JoshM7 3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Hahaha that's awesome!

@redford6110 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoshM7 hi

@stevekarr4613 3 жыл бұрын

Chris did a great job of explaining the technical design aspects of these drivers.

@JesseJames83 3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate you bringing us the new products, and covering them in an intelligent manner. 👌

@johndost3087 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic, I look forward to some designs with these.

@KravchenkoAudioPerth 3 жыл бұрын

A nice honest technical assessment of the Dayton driver.

@Psyphonyx_Life 3 жыл бұрын

Instantly want to try one out. This was great!

@TheArtpimp36 3 жыл бұрын

Omg. I am so excited for these speakers. If you know me TOID you know just where I want to put these. 😂

@blech71 3 жыл бұрын

Holy, oh my… just when I was designing a new enclosure but wanted a driver to design around..well, I think I just found them. I need to look up the Thiele Smalls real fast and if the overall Q is good to go I’m def grabbing some. I wonder if they’re conducive to my love for Fountek’s AMT’s or if I need to go with a matched Morel Softie…. Hmmm. Such an evocative thought experiment these present….. plus they look so damn good. Too bad the price of my wood is going to be the most expensive part at the moment lol.

@potsy9973 11 ай бұрын

Nice. I'm half way into a 2way build with these. I started with 10" mklll Titanic's first, which sound awesome foremost with music. Short story longer, those lead me on to these and I was not expecting to use the Epique this way, but to cover low notes in my 1980 elky lol.

@anthonybarker9123 3 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who saw this as a true Focal 13 WS replacement? Seems like it can do just about everything that the 13 WS could do, but better and for 20% of the price.

@mpugne 3 жыл бұрын

my 7" came today, love the free overnight shipping, I get being relatively close to parts express! put up a quick vid of it moving around. I need to build a test enclosure for it to give an opinion but it looks good so far.

@Toid 2 жыл бұрын

I just watched the video. Thanks for sharing! For anyone that missed it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/id54daySnqyUh40.html

@wccrispy Жыл бұрын

Any ideas for a TM design like the Amiga by Paul Carmody?

@rjrcnunn4908 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative

@magnusdanielsson2749 3 жыл бұрын

Purify has focused alot on the rubber suspension also to eliminate distortion from its behavior.

@Shitnado 2 жыл бұрын

To keep SD stable with cone movement.

@SnowBoardingBassist 3 жыл бұрын

Kinda wanna stick like 10 of these into a bass guitar cab with some tweeters and see if I can get a true FRFR enclosure for live sound/amp modelling. Not sure if they would work in that application

@ngantnier Жыл бұрын

I kind of wish they made these in 8". I love the carbon fiber. I have an 8" RS HO on the way which was half off restocked though. Ill be running that with a passive radiator. Excited to assemble it.

@2wilbster 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sold!

@Aaron.13 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully some people start to use these in some 2/3 way designs and come up with something special..I'd love to see 2 of the 7" with a tweeter in a large floor stander..

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Well I just got four of the five and a half inch in. So I plan to make some floor standing skinny MTM towers with them.

@Aaron.13 2 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Sounds good. Im assuming you will post up a video of them when your done..What tweeters are thinking? Any plans to do something with the 7"drivers to get some big sounding towers?

@Toid 2 жыл бұрын

@@Aaron.13 Not at this time. Maybe later. Right now, I really wanted to work on a thinner MTM tower. I ended up deciding on the CSS LD25x tweeters.

@roygriend5143 2 жыл бұрын

@@Toid i would love to see that... good informative video!!

@stefanweilhartner4415 3 ай бұрын

if you want insane power in a slim floor stander i would chose two RS100(P) for the midrange with a tweeter in MTM configuration and let two epique do the bass up to 350Hz.

@cruise2023 3 жыл бұрын

Question, would they be suitable for a H structure OB sub ? 7" doesn't sound overly large woofers for a sub !!!

@JoelHernandez-tz3vk 3 жыл бұрын

I'd probably put a pair of these in our 1986 Camry. But I think I'd have to trim the frame into a square in order to fit. Edit: specially since space is at a HUGE premium in that thing. It has plenty space for the passengers and VERY little for anything else.

@DNL82 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting 👌

@craigbarrett2278 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I'm in car audio and the x max is captivating....thinking the 7" in isobaric setup..... Look amazing! Well priced to.

@FOH3663 2 жыл бұрын

These days an isobaric alignment is often just a waste of resources. There was a time when sub drivers struggled in typical box volumes... and isobaric enables two motors to mate well in a given box volume. That Dayton motor doesn't need much help overcoming a small box volume (the only reason to pursue isobaric sub).

@craigbarrett2278 2 жыл бұрын

@@FOH3663 I like the control the amp has over the drivers, yes it's inefficient but I'm after sq. I can afford to play....😊

@FOH3663 2 жыл бұрын

@@craigbarrett2278 Hell yeah, SQ all the way! But there's no such amp/driver control advantage. Isobaric is just a decades old hold-over from old dudes like me, ... back before we had all these powerful drivers to choose from. - Isobaric simply operates as if it were a single driver with double the mass and half the Vas. The only advantage is the ability to utilize a smaller box volume... that's it. Both drivers are stroking away, yet you only benefit from the output of one. Instead, if you allow both drivers to output into the room/car, you gain the output of the second driver, thus lowering distortion, raising output SPL. I've experimented with all types of alignments. And it's certainly cool if you're down with experimentation... but other than learning, no performance advantages should be expected. Aesthetically, I always thought a dual opposed isobaric sub in a clear acrylic tube would look bad-ass... ie., clear tube with two drivers face to face at each end. Plastic sucks, it deforms etc., but a cylinder possesses a lot of strength a resistance to flex. Plus, dual opposed = zero mechanical vibration.

@robbiedh02 2 жыл бұрын

This might make a good subwoofer for my camper!

@shawnbrennan7075 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting

@nickparkin8527 2 жыл бұрын

Modeling the 7” epique in WinISD @150w input you can get 107db peak at 40hz with an f3 of 35hz without exceeding xmax

@damnitdang Жыл бұрын

Box size and port size?

@hardtymz2517 5 ай бұрын

Can it do the 20s like it claims??

@jhow3d688 2 жыл бұрын

Would you replace your Tangbands in the Dinas setup with these?

@michaelschneider- 2 жыл бұрын

+1. .. Ordered a pair to audition first hand... The 5 inch Dayton Epique just might find a home in Porsche's 911 (993) Carrera; 1994 thru 1998. W/ option (#490) HiFi door speaker boxes.. ? Maybe? .. Go Fully Active in any car audio renovation .......

@feltZi 10 ай бұрын

i have the 7" version in my wireless bt speaker that i made myself, very cool woofer. i have yt short about the speaker but it had shitty amp back in the day, now im running the sub at 200W and mids at around 100W

@robertlee1145 Жыл бұрын

I'm learning! Thank you! I want to do an experiment. I have a paradigm studio 60-v3 which is 20 years old. It has a tweeter- mid- low frequency driver. If I bought 2 of these E180HE speakers to replace the Mid and low frequency drivers. would I need 2 different crossovers? 1 crossover tuned as a mid and 1 tuned as low frequency? I'm having a blast learning and looking to do an experiment for a weekend relaxation

@dazinkeys 3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of focal woofer magnet design

@johng6673 3 жыл бұрын

Having push terminals would make it more appealing to be honest. I understand at low power, it doesn't matter as much, but it's about quality of connection.

@Toid 2 жыл бұрын

I really like push terminals as well.

@marcopolo242 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to build a dual or even flat form quad with these for my SUV if i had the box design parameters. Publish a couple box designs for us pleebs Toid! 😁. Maybe even a tiny push/pull dual? 🤩

@hardtymz2517 5 ай бұрын

SUV too big. You’d need a wall of these!

@bigd835 4 ай бұрын

Dayton Audio sells impressive stuff.

@arena_rock_man9030 3 жыл бұрын

1st! I would love to see Chris produce a tower version of his C-Note bookie, either in a 2.5 way or 2-way with a passive radiator for $200-250 a pair including all the hardware needed. I would buy a pair in a hot minute.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

That would be sweet! The only thing is they don't really need a lot of space for just one woofer. So you can easily build just a two way bookshelf with these.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

That would be sweet. That's one thing that we didn't mention either. If you really want to use these for a subwoofer and you want to go real low, you almost would need a passive radiator.

@2wilbster 3 жыл бұрын

Dang! I wanted to be first! You beat me to it

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

I want do it too... not sure I will be able to keep the price that low, but I'll see what I can do.

@awsomenesscaleb 3 жыл бұрын

Epic indeed.

@leodesforges161 Жыл бұрын

How do these drivers do as a “music only” sun to compliment some small high quality monitor speakers in the near field. Looking to cross over around 100 hz.

@wilsonrawlin8547 Жыл бұрын

I can see this design being used in car audio 12: subs that would be insane in performance/sound.

@bennyblanco14 2 жыл бұрын

Can these work in a car audio setup?

@MickeyMishra 3 жыл бұрын

the thing has more x-maxx then some subwoofers that are out there , with that much motor strength it's going to make an excellent application for an under-seat subwoofer

@detonationpyrotechnics4156 2 жыл бұрын

You had me at mustache

@lio1234234 3 жыл бұрын

These drivers seem amazing!

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. I was really shocked with some of the results.

@S.G.N.713 2 жыл бұрын

I built two mini subs in .30 c.f. sealed cabinets using the 7" drivers and love them for near field listening. Clean, deep and musical. Great work Dayton!

@lukasHenchman 2 жыл бұрын

rms power kind of high 200, im guessing they get kinda loud lol like 100+ plus decibels for the 5 inch and 110db+ for the 7 inch at 40hz. good for wiring up, you can go to 2 ohms or 8 load, or just one coil on 4 ohms, but one mistake that dayton audio always makes is that they use the same magnet on all the speaker sizes, 5 inch and the 7 inch have the same magnets, so the qts is higher on the 7 inch, therefore both the 5 and the 7 viriant will sound different, if this was available a year ago i would of tried these out instead... i bought a tang band w6 6.5 inch subwoofers ferrite magnet, 11.5mm xmax, the neo magnet version has 13mm xmax, and what i like about their subwoofers is that going from 4 inch to 5 inch to 6 inch and to 8 inch variant, the magnets get bigger and stronger to maintain a low qts, that's what i like about them, but they havent been innovating much lately,

@erikkroll2154 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I saw these and thought, wow, the possibilities! I hope they do a 8, 10 or 12 to get a bit lower tuning.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping for a 15 😁. Can you imagine something like two of those paired with a compression driver set up like a jtr? Now that would be insane 😲! But seriously, eight 10 or 12 like this would be unreal.

@erikkroll2154 3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid yeah 15s would be insane!

@roygriend5143 2 жыл бұрын

What about some 3 inch with like 8 mm Xmax

@CrystalClearSQL 11 ай бұрын

Those are beautiful.

@NeilBlanchard Жыл бұрын

I am curious how these would be wired in a 2-way - with two voice coils? I would look at a 2-way with a single 7" in a MLTL enclosure.

@bigbardmusiq 3 жыл бұрын

Okay I need Jim Holtz to update the statements using these in the 7inch.

@sigmundandreassen9029 Жыл бұрын

Takk!

@ISOPARMX 3 жыл бұрын

The Bl part reminded me your other video from Kartesian.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Great call!

@jacksondavid8758 Жыл бұрын

wow, I'm seeing those as a front sub in an SQ build in my car!

@stephanez8036 3 ай бұрын

did you build it ?

@roygriend5143 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Nick , when are you going to build a 2 way with this driver ?

@tammyforbes2101 2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a set of 15”subwoofers I seen 20 years ago dude was playing everything threw them and they took it I don’t know how but they bumped and played highs 🤦🏼‍♂️ been 20 years so not everybody knew what subs was for they just thought well it’s a speaker, hook a amp to it and go. This one had a old 30 band EQ looked like a CB hanging from the dash but I think he may have been some what tuning it a little with that thing! Not sure may have just been on some 6x9’z he had in there to! Either way it got loud.

@hardtymz2517 5 ай бұрын

Google “audio Nirvana” one speaker plays it all.

@randomtube8226 3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice if they had larger sizes in these.

@sethh8892 Жыл бұрын

Imagine a 15 or 18 inch model😍 it would literally be comparable with the deafbonce Apocalypse series.

@DIYAudioGuy 3 жыл бұрын

Those look nice!

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Don't they? I might need to get some in for some projects.

@95Sn95 3 жыл бұрын

Where would the coil be centered vertically? Typically centered in the middle of the top plate. Would this be Half way between both plates what I would assume or oddly centered on one plate or the other.

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

The flux in the gap between the two plates is identical, so the coil is centered between the two plates.

@S1lentJoy 2 жыл бұрын

Time for Uglies 2.0 with the 7? What do you think?

@genuineaudiophile3228 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds similar to the PuriFi, but those are WAY more expensive than the Epique.

@GeneralEOD 3 жыл бұрын

Where is the frequency to power impedance curve?

@EvanField6380 3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see a ten inch sub

@csj9619 Жыл бұрын

Kinda reminds me of the Anarchy midbass woofer.

@xTinBenderX 3 жыл бұрын

Want to try these with an AMT

@brs2c 2 жыл бұрын

I am building a portable speaker with as good of bass as possible, but somewhat new to design. I am wondering why would someone pick the Epique 5.5” over the Tang Band W5-1138SM? The Epique QTS and X-max? Not trying to start a fight- these are just the 2 top contenders for my build (unless someone knows of something better for size and lowness).

@roygriend5143 2 жыл бұрын

The Epique have more xmax and can handle 4 times the power AND you can use it as a 2 way woofer..

@chrishernandez2490 Жыл бұрын

It's all about application. I think the epique would have better performance but it also has a huge bulky magnet and would probably not be best for portable applications. Just my 2 cents

@gregredd5374 2 жыл бұрын

I wish you would have asked him why they discontinued the Epique E220CF-8 8" Carbon Fiber Cone Neodymium Driver 8 Ohm?

@thanapoll.849 3 жыл бұрын

great woofers. need to earn more money to buy them in future

@TheRazorTheRazor 3 жыл бұрын

Does Chris P know he's internet famous in "our world"? Who hasn't read his replies to Q&As on hundreds of PA products?

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Haha! That is so true! Best comment if the day!

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha!

@tamiasthechipmunk 8 ай бұрын

Makes me wonder how these drivers would do in a transmission line enclosure.

@BGTech1 7 ай бұрын

Basically a woofer-subwoofer hybrid

@anglerandy5736 3 жыл бұрын

Would these pair well with the peerless xt25sc90?

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

At first look, it might be. I'm not sure about the distortion graph on that tweeter. For a few more dollars, I would probably just go with the 60 instead. I linked it in the description.

@boomerps2 3 жыл бұрын

Where's their new 18" subwoofer?

@goobisoft4873 3 жыл бұрын

I have a w5 tangband but now i m jealous

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Haha! I knew what you mean.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

I know the feeling. 🤣

@dronepunkfpv1424 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t Doppler distortions be too high?

@roygriend5143 2 жыл бұрын

Whats that?

@dronepunkfpv1424 2 жыл бұрын

@@roygriend5143 using as a mid range with high excursions from the bass?

@spedracer55 2 жыл бұрын

im gonna fkn figure out how to put these in my car doors

@brettrobertleasure 2 жыл бұрын

seeing these as killer midbass drivers for cars. how would these do in ib applications?

@johnd5542 Жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what Im trying do. Saw them on parts express, and trying to figure it out now.

@negativezero3107 3 жыл бұрын

hey look Blues audio speakers....oh wait they are Daytons? hahaha this has already been done, great speakers but just near copies of Blues/Linear power, I have them sitting the the garage right now lol, the old 1991 6.5's and 10.5s, these are just those

@luckyrashes 3 жыл бұрын

I couldn't help but to think scanspeak

@grewk2518 2 жыл бұрын

Go Sawx!

@Toid 2 жыл бұрын

Best comment ever! You definitely win the internet 😀

@379rale 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. Really enjoyed it. It was odd to hear Perez say that there is a copper sleeve in the motor, since the impedance rises quickly and steeply. Also, inductance is high - Le 1.5 mH @ 1 kHz. What am I missing here?

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

In actuality the inductance is quite low for the Epique drivers. The spec sheet does list an Le of 1.6 mH, however you have to remember that that was with the voice coils wired in series. The Le of each coil is actually 0.5 mH, due to mutual inductive coupling inductance doesn't increase at a linear rate when intertwined coils are wired in series.

@379rale 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisperez7592 Thank you for the clarification

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

@@379rale I have noticed a few people mentioning that the impedance rises quickly while comparing the Epique 7" to the PURIFI PTT6.5X08-NFA-01. From looking at the impedance on the PURIFI PTT6.5X08-NFA-01 spec sheet it appears that the impedance reaches 16 ohms (double the 8 ohm rating) right around 6,000 Hz. With the coils wired in series, the impedance for the E180HE-44 also reached 16 ohm right at 6,000 Hz also. Both drivers reach 20 ohms at 10,000 Hz also. I'm not quite sure why these comparisons are being made... I think it just appears that way because the scaling in different on our impedance curve.

@379rale 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisperez7592 Maybe. I don't know... But, I wasn't thinking about the PURIFI. When I hear 'full coper sleeve' I expect to see a nearly flat curve, like Peerless and SB Acoustics drivers have. Plus, I'm only interested in what it does till about 2K. www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-7-woofers-sb-acoustics/sb-acoustics-sb17nrx2c35-8-6-woofer-paper-cone-new-version-8-ohm/

@robertburton295 3 жыл бұрын

I wish they had a diy kits with them

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting you say that. I went to the door today and found a box sitting on my doorstep. I was surprised to see that it was from Parts Express because I hadn't ordered anything. Inside were four of these epic five and a half inch drivers. So when I get a chance to build these, I'll make sure to have some plans for you guys.

@robertburton295 3 жыл бұрын

I really like those drivers I can't wait to see the build I would like to see a kits with those and nice tweeter and crossover!! I'd buy it

@rhalfik Жыл бұрын

I greatly appreciate the work and results from the Dayton, but no it's not on the same level as Purify woofers. Pricing aside, Purify has spectacularly and consistently low distortion throughout the usable range. Dayton is roughly OK in the midrange, but not there yet. This is not surprising though. Purify addressed issues in transducers on many levels, with great attention to detail, sometimes at high material and labor expense. It's quite obvious that Dayton doesn't have an intention to get there, or else the pricing would match or at least get very close to Purify.

@weareallbeingwatched4602 3 жыл бұрын

Under-hung or over-hung voice coil? That is the question... It's overhung, isn't it.

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

Well, the distance between the top of the upper plate and the bottom of the lower plate is about 25 mm... the voice coil is about 20 mm. (I don't have the exact dimension right off hand) So, these would be considered underhung voice coils.

@beitdonadelle4141 3 жыл бұрын

CDT has a similar woofer

@enlitenaudio8689 3 жыл бұрын

Too bad they don't have a 176mm basket (6-1/2") like the Purifi PTT6.5 or SEAS W18EX Graphene...

@NandhaKumar-zl6tf 3 жыл бұрын

How much cost in Indian money

@Leo18596 2 жыл бұрын

They look like made from Kartesian :o

@jwamerica84 2 жыл бұрын

Very inefficient. 83db/1W@1m How do you match that with a tweeter in a 2 way?

@analogkid4557 Жыл бұрын

L pad.

@jwamerica84 Жыл бұрын

@@analogkid4557 a terrible but effective solution

@MikeMcChiken 3 жыл бұрын

Too big for my doors😫 . They look BadAss

@frankknoll664 2 жыл бұрын

Eigentlich sind beide Exemplare "Mega Treiber". Nur sind die "TSP" so ungünstig ( Vas viel zu klein ) das eine vernünftige Bassreflex Abstimmung quasi unmöglich ist. Da nützt ein "Xmax 14" nur wenig.

@analogkid4557 Жыл бұрын

You would have to use a passive radiator.

@equanox100 2 жыл бұрын

I bet nick lemons likes this.

@americanbuffalo7802 3 жыл бұрын

I can't stop staring at his RGB over the kitchen cabinets. I'm a crow.

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

They are awesome, aren't they?

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

Lol...Over cabinet, under cabinet, and toe kick. Here you go: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdtzdt1-1Lq5mps.html

@americanbuffalo7802 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisperez7592 Nice. Those are industrial grade.

@JoelHernandez-tz3vk 3 жыл бұрын

DINAS DX?

@Toid 3 жыл бұрын

I like where your head is at

@JoelHernandez-tz3vk 3 жыл бұрын

@@Toid Wonder if IDNAS would be a better name actually.

@allmotorhash 3 жыл бұрын

This is amid

@thedraftdoctor1 3 жыл бұрын

its Homer

@MS-ug3gm 2 жыл бұрын

Bass become with 12"

@janinapalmer8368 9 ай бұрын

The only downside to these things is their low 84-85 dB sensitivity....

@negativezero3107 3 жыл бұрын

they look cool but really, so you are appearing to try to combine neo with a traditional magnet, sorry but that just is absolutely counter productive

@chrisperez7592 3 жыл бұрын

All the magnets are ferrite on these Epique drivers. Actually, ferrite mixed with neo can work rather well in some instances... For example, Morel has had a lot of success with thier hybrid motor drivers.

@enlitenaudio8689 3 жыл бұрын

Ditto Chris on the magnet mix, magnetism is magnetism - depends what the designer needs to accomplish... like weight vs field strength etc.