Dazzle example here, it's trash twitter.com/flamuchz/status/1357326519148961794 As for the commander rework, I expected nothing, but I was still let down. Discord: discord.gg/Flamu​ Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu​ Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/​ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz

3:36 Generic torpedo build 7:40 Generic gun build 8:21 Harugumo 8:43 Z-52 8:52 Kleber ambush build 9:25 Marceau & Smaland 10:33 Full farming build 11:10 Daring 12:37 Khabarovsk TL;DR 13:50 Standard DD build 14:16 Torpedo build 14:21 Gun build 14:31 Open water gun build

"We listen to your feedback trust us"

>Yukikaze is the very first thing i see classic flamu

Flamu: "You should be able to put two and two together" You might be asking for a bit much there, coach.

"we are going to increase diversity by decreasing diversity"

If a Skill like Concealment Exper is SOOO popular, that it's basically madatory for every single ship in the game, it shouldn't be a skill in the first place. It should be baseline.

Starts with the Nanoda. Truly a man of culture.

WG: I can make the fun... dissapear. Da da! Its.. Gone.

Much diversity so dynamic wow

Same old non-choices as pre-update, also for Grozovoi superintendent is basically mandatory still.

So basically they just made it necessary to have 21 pts to have the same build that a 19 pt captain used to have.

“We listen to the fan base. Our spreadsheets (which are never seen) show that our changes are positive!”

the price increase in priority target is so so painful

It's not that they're not diverse enough, it's that making them more diverse is the official reason why I should grind 1.2M cpt xp to basically make the same build on each ship where I had an elite captain.

The effect of Priority Target increased cost is that people push less. If i am detected but nobody aims me then i keep pushing - not now. This promotes more passive play again.

I didn't even notice the reload nerf on shift and silence. They really need to keep the stats together imo

Great information Flamu. Thanks! Please follow up on cruisers before the next update, i.e., today or tomorrow. Your information is very valuable, but we are up against a deadline, especially on NA which drops Wednesday. Thanks!

so basically, wg bumped up the cost of the imporatant skills you will mostly be taking that you've taken before and then bumped up the skill point cap so you have to farm more commander xp...well at least I got to reset my captain's skill points

Have to be honest, im loving swift and silent with points down the torpedo line on my Shimakaze.

Do the Jutland and Daring require IFHE?

Thank you very much for this video and especially for the info regarding Dazzle. I've just started to level up my dd captains beyond 10 skill points and planned to get Dazzle next. Now I'll spent these 4 precious points for much better choices. 👍

I use Swift in Silence on my Shima, thing is fast and can get you in nice positions very quickly.

I'm a big fan of consumables enhancement whenever I can afford it. More speed boost, an extra puff of smoke or two, a bit more hydro safety is worth 2 points. Dunkirk's enhanced version of it turns Cossack into even more of a beast.

Thanks for these videos! I don't get a lot of extra time to play between work so stuff like this helps inform my choices.

Basically, the nature of dds means that if the enemy specs CE and you don't, you're putting not only you but your whole team at a serious disdvantage. Therefore unless something is done about it (building it in, removing it, or moving it to a substancially lower tier), it basically locks up the first 4 point skill choice. No matter how good or interesting you design the other skills, unless something is done about CE, there's no reason not to spec it.

Diversity wasn´t the main purpose for the skillreset, it was for them getting more money out of you for conveting commander xp and resetting the skills. That was well done.

swift in silence is actually quite good for legendary shima in ranked. I had a lot of success in the gold league with it.

I honestly think that there is way more diversity now than before. You can leave out last stand, don't have to take PT on every ship, BFT is much less viable on most ships, fearless brawler is a tradeoff that you can consider on most DDs but don't have to take and all the torp skills + the speed skill offer stronger differentiation between torp build or gun build. Before the rework, you just used to take the same skills on every DD and only switched from CE to AFT on some ships. PT, LS, AR, BFT, SE were mandatory on every single DD and now none of these skills is.

For another youtuber, RDF is bad on torp boats because your target knows he is spottet and may start to react. Instead works good on cruisers without radar.

Man I love the illusion of choice. Reminds me that half the branches of DD are worthless, or those times were I had a planes spot me to death. Good stuff.

quick note, if you have Cunningham and you drop him on Daring then SI is less valuable, so that's an option if you want to run other skills

I've experimented with a high-risk Shima build that uses Swift in silence instead of RPF and +5% torpedo speed instead of SE, and it has been greatly enjoyable but the value is debatable. Indeed, the actual variation of valuable builds is just pretty shit.

I waited so long for this .. ty Flamu

Thanks for the rundown on the DD skills. I needed it.

Flamu, honestly, think about it: 3 points for a skill that enhances reload by freaking 5%. Meaning you do 105k instead of 100k dmg for instance. This is not worth in exchange for an additional smoke or heal or even ifhe on harugumo line. Or 3+1 additional point and u got RPF on every DD which is super useful in every DD (ship)

You forgot to mention the downside of the Main Battery and AA Expert. It increases the range but it also INCREASES the dispersion.

So much diversity indeed! thank you WG for making battleships players even more useless with this stupid update! THANK YOU VERY MUCH

It's worth noting that the rework has definitely shifted power away from gunboat DDs and more towards torpedo boats, since BFT was straight nerfed and Liquidator is one of the only decent 1pt skills that you can take.

Waiting for the Capitain points to add Swift and Silence on my Paolo Emilio, seems like it would benefit greatly

I'm grinding brit dd and so far i don't take prevent, last stand, or survival in the first ten points. If i get hit again after popping the repair i'm probably dead either way. Swift in silence i think should help address one of the issues with the daring with only a mild dpm decrease it can afford to take. I think that gets 44 knots with unique commander and speed flag. Superintendant over survival maximizes adrenaline benefit on ships that have heals. Priority target helps you know what the enemy is thinking and then incoming fire lets you see exactly when they fired without having to watch horizon. Totally helps agile dds dodge.

radiolocation its a must on all dds, and cruisers, as it was removed from bbs where it was just overkill when chasing or avoiding an lurking enemy dd.

I was just waiting for this vid!

commander rework was mostly designed to make us spend all our commander XP

I be honest, i did Z-52 AP Buff, i mean Gun boat idea, and still happy about this that i took 3 ships by this build on the start. and i stay on it. because i love it lol

Swift in Silence, Engine Boost Mod 1 (slot 2), Consumable Enhancements on Paolo Emilio is lots of fun.

Hello Flamu. I am waiting for the Cruiser builds and thank you for this review 👍

Flamu, the Liquidator skill isn’t an absolute value. It’s cumulative. For example, Shimakaze torpedoes go from about 400% flood chance to 538%

Thank you! This is what I have been using so far, but the confirmation is useful. Again WG has really knocked this 'diversity' thing out of the park.

Hi Flamu; I was wondering if you would know if the playerbase for randoms is getting significantly lower? My +30 active player clan, we are all so thouroughly disgusted withe ccaptian skill reowrk and dead eay in particular. None are playing randoms or ranked anymore, we only do cbs... Is that your assesment too? If I check steam charts, there have never been as many players as right now

Here I had to chuckle 9:26 seeing how Flamu quickly clicked the same five skills that I start every DD-build with. So there´s nothing wrong my perception, it really comes down to the same basic build every time :I

You may not be enjoying the commander rework but you're sure as hell enjoying the Yukikaze captain

F for our fallen captains

Damn I didn’t know that Dazzle didn’t work against carriers which is why I’ve been trying it. Thanks for the info.

I've been finding it VERY hard to do well in the Mogador now.

I agree Dazzle is no good and Concealment is a MUST. I find German DDs with Hydro benefit from Consumables Enhancement, and in today's CV environment I run Main Battery and AA Specialist on most of my builds. I tend to prefer Fill the Tubes to AR.

The rating of dazzle really caught me off guard. 20% sounds so strong and tbh it felt strong. But i think there is a reason LWMs test shows so little effect has to do with the ship. Monte has a extremly small dispersion (141x85) with a very high sigma (2.15). High sigma means that shells are more likely to land close to the center of the dispersion area, than to the edges. Since sigma does not change, Dazzlings effect is linear. the closer a shell lands to the center, the smaller the impact of dazzling. Example: You shoot 1 shell. RNG makes it deviate 10% from the aiming point. Monteplier without dazzle: The area where this shell can land not is ~14x8,5 Monteplier with dazzle: 16,2x10. That is not really a difference that matters. On Paper we know already, that Dazzling gets worse with higher sigma. So picking one of the highest sigmas in the game for the test seems kinda rigged to me. Take a riga, that to my mind also has great ability to hit DDs with their railguns. Riga "only" has 2.05 sigma. So getting a 10% deviation is already less likely than monte. But riga, though still being a fairly accurate cruiser, has 171x162 dispersion. if it gets a 10% deviated shell the target area is: Riga without dazzle: 17,1x16,2 Riga with dazzle: 20,5x19,44 Comparing those the monte on a 10% deviation shot gets montes target area increased by ~36%. Rigas target area would be increased by ~43%. LWMs test kinda shows that. the "heat-area" with Dazzle dazzle is a bit bigger without dazzle. Though i totally agree, if all the ships had monte despersion and sigma, that skill would be trash. But thats the point. We are talking about one of the best cruiser shot patterns in the game. bring in battleships with 1,8 sigma and dispersions in the bullpark of 250x200 and stuff gets rather interesting. The difference between 1-2 more or less thunderer shells hitting your DD is quite important i recon. Unfortunatly there is not really an easy way to "scientificly" test those "on paper assumptions" in the game. At least i dont have the time for it. On paper it seems good. In game it felt good to me, but that might be my confirmation bias. I hope some more ppl have the time to do a little in game research on it. Edit: Also important to keep in mind that we are talking DDs. A kidd being around 12m in width, even increasing a shells deviation by 2-3 metres avarage can make a significant difference in numbers of shells hit. Most of the times a DD is not gonna be sailing full broadside. If i find the time i will try to run a test with a 1.9 sigma ship against a 45 degree angled DD to check for a difference in shell hits.

I disagree with adrenaline rush on shima. She will not benefit as much as hybrids which will actively take gun fights. In my experience so far the torp acceleration on her has actually been worth it, since it compensates for the poor dispersion of the torps quite nicely. Admittedly it is only a 19pt commander so far, which makes the decision for follow ups hard.

Thanks for the Recommended DD and BB Commander Builds, any idea on when the Recommended Cruiser Commander Build will be uploaded?

Practically priority target disappear from all your DDs built

I usually run Expert Brawler on all my gunboats but yes, it's torp build or gunboat build and no variation between the different nations

Balans comrade, balans

haven't played in 2 weeks.... best decision ever

Kept it simple, thank you.

Honestly, just glad to see that legendary Kleber got something to build on, the upgrade is so hilariously bad :D

That Marceau build will work on Khaba very well as well ... Khaba main change is LU or not ...

Where is the link for Little White Mouse?

I really hate that priority target went from 1 to 2 points , same for superintendent for BBs and some other skills . They tell you that you got more points to spend but that is huge lie (typical WG) since some most useful skills went more xpensive.

@Flamu how would you build the Grozovoi? It would get good value from Superintendent with its heal and AA and Speedboost consumables right? It's more like a gunboat with good concealment but I don't feel it's a cap contester with all the Hydroacoustics DDs that have been introduced. With this in mind, would it be worth building it like an open water gunboat without Concealment Expert? Something like: AR, SI, MBAE, FearlessBrawler? OR still get CE giving up FB or MBAE? Please help me out here, I want to get the most value for my dearest Grozovoi :)

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Now with a free serving of XP inflation! *Note : you may experience some skill dilution. Additional useless filler skills added for packaging purposes. Some settling of product may have occurred during shipping. User enjoyment guaranteed by Spreadsheet. Spreadsheet never lies.

I was looking forward to this. Somehow Wargaming sucked the joy out.

Is it really a DD commander guide if you don't start with Yukikaze?

daring running swift in silence only gains 0.1 to its reload, i run it on mine to make up a little for lack of speed boost

i am trying to find Cruisers builds, but i only find videos about DD and Battleship builds. Any help pls?

I came back to this channel after a long time, so can anyone tell me if the game has become more enjoyable, compared to the last 2 years?

Is fearless brawler worth the 4 points (+ you lose some concealment) when you can take BFT on a smaland, even if he have radar?

@Flamu Can't wait for your CA vid, im desperate to spec my CA's! :)

any one noticing the specks are working even when not specked , i have had some strange things happen . the one i don't like is getting spotted now . its instance death , and with people playing so far back you need a cv for spotting , i have taken not shooting and just spotting with rpf , with the old way you had rpf on your bb with made fighting and pushing a lot easier

Flamu is not a weeb, but he sure loves his Yukikaze captain and laugh at every line that she said. She sits at 21 captain skill is more than enough to prove it

Any ideas on Friesland? Extra range doesn’t seem that useful, and 0.1 faster reload feels like a waste of 3 points.

I quit ships and went back to StarWars the old Republic a game that listens to the community

It's almost like they didn't test these changes well enough before taking them live....oh wait, that's almost every change. The live server is the test server. The test server is a joke.

New player and looking at how to play a destroyer, this is helpful. I'm not sure what ships I should be looking at, probably torpedo boat/utility. Is there really a better line of dd's? you are showing mostly jpn, for example.

I was right then about the BST skill being nerfed!! I have had to play some DD’s i use to gun boat more cautiously as the rate of fire is not so workable anymore!!

I stopped playing the game when this skill change dropped. This video doesn't make we want to go back.

Thank you. That cleared a few things up for me.

We got the illusion of choices

It is interesting for Flamu to recommend AR on destroyers especially torpedoes dd......which is rarely recommended before the rework. Utilizing AR in dd encourages you to take certain risks, including fighting enemy dd. I have used this skill before rework on my IJN torps boats so that my early engagement with enemy dd can give me a shorter torpedo reload throughout the match. But this also means managing your HP pool is more important so that you are not picking the wrong fight. I guess Flamu is using AR here to take the place of other DPM-buff skills since taking them would be more expensive. Also with the proliferation of rocket planes, taking (big) damage (at the start of the game) is hardly avoidable even for the stealthiest dd, so why not make use of it from the start? Yeah sad but true.

Question............Most people only have a 19 pt captain, how would that affect your Shimakaze build?

4:40 , id rather take AR , as it boost your torps and guns

I think the one benefit the commander rework gave us was the ability to move a single commander from premium to premium. It's a shame players, myself included, refuse to play until they balance it.

Why do captains exist? Just make this stuff passive then?

now we can wait another 1,5 years for another chance to get a real rework for the captain skill tree, sigh

rework and I still can't rename captains... or do I miss something? also can't reset reserve caps anymore.... pure cash grab attempt

would you recommend the same build for grozovoi like daring?

@Flamu i stoped playing the game since July 2020 and all i see are so many new things. Is there any main argument for coming back in the game and give it a chance back / giving WG a chance again after all that fucked up events and rng things?

Why spec AR over BFT, BFT gives 5% reload buff always AR would only give you that if you lost all your health aka sunk, apart from the slight torp reload buff

Is 'BFT' even worth it anymore as it only gives a 0.1s reload buff on most DDs and only 0.2s on a Shima... 3 points for 0.1s seems rather overpriced.

hp skill use only on 2 destroyers, AR + torpedo reload much more good on torpedo boat.

Assuming everyone has 21 point commanders, or 29 m commander xp free to buff your commander.