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Dead Eye - The Future of cowboy action shooting

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@Panzersoldat
@Panzersoldat 8 ай бұрын
Gads, those first two cowboy shooting clips looked boring as hell. I completely see your point and agree with you, the sport needs more variety and realism.
@exploatores
@exploatores 8 ай бұрын
looks as fun as looking at seeing paint dry.
@gijoe508
@gijoe508 8 ай бұрын
SASS is designed for old guys. They have the money for the 4-5 guns you have to have to start, and the formulaic shooting stages allow for their lack of mobility. If that’s your thing great, I’ve done it and I would do it again but not on a regular basis.
@jamesbrisendine
@jamesbrisendine 8 ай бұрын
​@@gijoe508i've also seen some really young kids doing it as well, which is good. But yeah, as soon as they can start memorizing more than 3 numbers, it may become a bit boring.
@VikOlliver
@VikOlliver 8 ай бұрын
Yup, very dull stages in a sandpit, can be done much better. Our stages tend to be a bit more exciting, shooting out of a stagecoach, in the chapel or saloon, Texas star, can poppers etc. Our annual "shotgun city" is 28 rounds in one stage through a maze that you don't know the layout of.
@Panzersoldat
@Panzersoldat 8 ай бұрын
@@VikOlliver Niiiice! That's the sort of setup that should be the norm, not the exception.
@chuckvt5196
@chuckvt5196 8 ай бұрын
Charlie Utter SASS #18818 here. 25 years in SASS this year, and I really like this idea! It is definitely not the same sport it was when I started. This would be a great way to bring more people into the sport and a lot more fun! Bravo! Back in the 90's, when I ran an indoor shooting range, we created a club called PEAS..Prohibition Era Action Shooters. It was very successful with lots of classic 1911s, revolvers, Thompsons, etc. The ladies really loved seeing all the shooters dressed to the nines in roaring 20's suits. It was a great time!
@mbell9995
@mbell9995 8 ай бұрын
Glad to see people speaking up about this. We need more old west firearms users. The cowboy action shooting of today looks so bland.
@czjonny8933
@czjonny8933 8 ай бұрын
I'd like that but the guns are so expensive.
@kenibnanak5554
@kenibnanak5554 8 ай бұрын
@@czjonny8933 The replicas are more affordable.
@mbell9995
@mbell9995 8 ай бұрын
@@czjonny8933 Agreed. The ones that are most affordable are the revolvers by Peita and Uberti. Generally between 500-800$. Even then, it’s gonna be more than your standard 9mm.
@MrBlahzay
@MrBlahzay 8 ай бұрын
it looks bland as a viewer, but as a participant it's anything but that. The beauty is in learning the weapons and practicing to be quick and effective with them. Its harder than it looks.
@gregz4249
@gregz4249 18 күн бұрын
@@MrBlahzay Dang where’s the challenge of hitting stationary targets at ten feet , 😂
@redsky8509
@redsky8509 8 ай бұрын
I am S.A.S.S. 9512 Life. I did the Mounted Shooting. We even wrote the rules for Mounted Cart Shooting. I am in total agreement with you. Make the stages FUN again. I remember going to E.O.T. in late 1980's when just going and having fun was enough for many.
@benjaminhenegar291
@benjaminhenegar291 8 ай бұрын
Nice
@chuckvt5196
@chuckvt5196 8 ай бұрын
S.A.S.S. 18818 here. I agree with you 100%!
@evanshea9978
@evanshea9978 5 ай бұрын
114210 here. I think it's a great idea.
@wildernessrecon
@wildernessrecon 19 күн бұрын
The guys on the SASS wire forum are jerks too. Their moderator runs off so many younger members because they are all set in their ways and want to moderate every comment unless it is the old cronies
@johnedgar7956
@johnedgar7956 8 ай бұрын
A "Roaring 20s Deadeye" event sounds fantastic! I'm looking forward to a video on that one. I feel like that's something the historical shooting events have overlooked a bit, or that don't get enough attention. What a great idea!! Thank you for this. 🙂
@vigunfighter
@vigunfighter 8 ай бұрын
Check out AZSA the American Zoot Shooters Association. They've been doing the Roaring Twenties shooting for a couple of decades already.
@ZlyCholesterol
@ZlyCholesterol 8 ай бұрын
The CAS club I go to does 10-10-4 but with modifications like shooting from a electric horse, using a derringer or throwing a knife during the stage. I also went to one CAS match prepared by my buddies where we had spinners, shooting Long rangę from bushes and clearing a kill house with revovlers 😀
@cville7000
@cville7000 8 ай бұрын
I love the flexibility of firearms. I help run local cowboy matches and one major reason that it is hard to get people to participate is the requirement of 2 revolvers, shotgun, and lever action. And as you mentioned in many cases there are many modifications done to the firearms which further dissuades people from getting involved in the sport.
@jontee3437
@jontee3437 8 ай бұрын
Just speaking for myself here, but I just cant afford to drop 2-3 grand on guns and gear. Thats the biggest thing that has kept me out of it
@KR-hg8be
@KR-hg8be 8 ай бұрын
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has had an issue with it. I wanted to try a sass shoot but I didn't have the very specific types of guns they required and dropping thousands on a Replica shotgun and rifle was out of the cards.
@IdiotandOpinion
@IdiotandOpinion 8 ай бұрын
I was fortunate enough to attend CQB as a 1880s Indian scout. Uniform and all! It was great playing cowboys and using all the old school belts and cartridge boxes on the clock in an environment where it’s still fun and challenging. I’ve tried shooting SASS before and it’s gotten too focused on “gamer” kit, with everyone using two handed holds, titanium parts and insanely light gallery loads.
@GIR9595
@GIR9595 8 ай бұрын
I remember meeting you! Should have gotten pictures of your setup I kept telling people how cool it was
@bigdaddydons6241
@bigdaddydons6241 8 ай бұрын
I havebt seen too much of the "gamer" stuff at my local cowboy range. But the super light gallery loads makes perfect sense for how close the targets are.
@Fastwinstondoom
@Fastwinstondoom 8 ай бұрын
@@bigdaddydons6241 Those loads might make perfect sense for close targets but don't you think effectively removing recoil takes away from the authenticity of using historical firearms?
@bigdaddydons6241
@bigdaddydons6241 8 ай бұрын
@@Fastwinstondoom it absolutely does, but at the same time cowboy action is usually done by much older people so I can only imagine how hard recoil is on wrists with arthritis. No point in hurting yourself with your hobby by using more powder than you'd ever need. And cowboy action to me seems to be about the history and aestetic than anything close to training
@robertrobert7924
@robertrobert7924 8 ай бұрын
I have never participated in Cowboy action shooting because of it becoming a boring close range timed event. I own all the guns for it, but have only shot them with full loads for accuracy @25 yds - 100 yds. One time I even shot my 1860 Uberti Henry in a 200 yd. silhouette event. My muzzle loading club used to shoot matches at 50 yds. only. When I became vice president, I included targets @25, 50,and 100 yds. for some variety. This pissed off the members who were only there to win, and did not want to deal with any challenges. Fortunately most of our shooters enjoyed a challenge. For me accuracy has always been my motivation. Shooting at targets so close that you could throw stones at and hit is preposterous. Thank you for this video.
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 8 ай бұрын
At 73, I don't run and tumble as quickly as I did 50 years ago. But I can still shoot as well if not better. (I've had *lots* of practice. LOL) Finally I have all the hardware I need for CAS except mobility! Oh, well! Thanks for the video, Karl!
@lamontcranston6999
@lamontcranston6999 8 ай бұрын
I shot cowboy action about 20 years ago for a bit. I had no idea it degraded to such a level. I did it for fun. Shooting from bathtubs and other stage props. I remember shot gun targets that the 1st shot launched a pop can in the air for your second shot. That deadeye division looks really fun. I may have to break out the lever action, Vaqueros, and coach gun and head to Idaho for the match up there
@oregonoutback7779
@oregonoutback7779 8 ай бұрын
This seems like a nice addition to the sport of Old West firearms, especially for the younger folk. The promoters will need to provide cranes and forklifts to get the older crowd up off the ground after some of these positions ... :)
@michaelkaminsky9914
@michaelkaminsky9914 8 ай бұрын
Glad to see move of a physical element to cowboy action shooting for a change rather than moving 10 feet to the next table. I as a shooter in my early 30's never participated in cowboy although had an interest due to the fact of little to no movement, no more than shooting a high power match. Hopefully this catches on in a larger scale, I definitely would get into this!
@brivas3343
@brivas3343 8 ай бұрын
Used to design matches at my gunclub. People complained when I put the targets further than the minimuim distance. Also didn't care for the 10-10-4 format all the time. Would always spice things up with sometimes an all shotgun stage (between 8-12 rds) or forced reloads (load 8 in rifle with 10 targets). Eventually got out of CAS due to gamers and the simplification of the courses. BTW we built a cowboy town for our matches so we had lots of props. I believe that makes a difference as shooting at other clubs with generic ranges (watching your matches looked pretty generic) isn't nearly as much fun.
@cameronboyce4695
@cameronboyce4695 8 ай бұрын
I'm glad to see that other people are wanting a change in CAS. I've always had an idea of creating a marksman match for 1899 and prior pattern rifles. 150 to 500 yard range or so.
@markchabot3684
@markchabot3684 8 ай бұрын
black powder silhouette
@chrisclark6161
@chrisclark6161 8 ай бұрын
We're one step closer to the ultimate goal. A full 2gacm or db style match based entirely on old west tropes. Everything after 1910 is banned, attire must be period correct, train car stage, bank stage, saloon stage, wagon trail stage, you name it.
@beargillium2369
@beargillium2369 8 ай бұрын
Why 1910?
@chrisclark6161
@chrisclark6161 8 ай бұрын
@beargillium2369 because I Googled "old west period" and the first result was a time frame that ended in 1912. The 1911 is a little bit too modern, in my opinion, but the 1903 pocket hammerless would be an interesting addition. The 1911 would be the "no drawbacks, free win" gun, but earlier semis have enough drawbacks to make revolvers competitive
@johntallarico5888
@johntallarico5888 8 ай бұрын
so no more Ruger Blackhawks
@chrisclark6161
@chrisclark6161 8 ай бұрын
@johntallarico5888 I mean, this hypothetical event would clearly be more about the aesthetic and feel of the old west. I'd personally put specific exemptions for guns that are clearly trying to emulate that period. As long as they don't have modern comforts like molded rubber grips, fiber optic sights, polymer stocks, or any nonsense like that. We like wood and iron around here.
@exploatores
@exploatores 8 ай бұрын
even more hard core. you should be able to carry all the weapons and all the amo you want to use in that day. any you go in blind. so you don´t know how the stage looks. before you pick your gear.
@GuyGallium
@GuyGallium 8 ай бұрын
Myself and a friend were interested in Cowboy Action about 10 yr ago in our 20s and the cost barrier to entry was too high even with us splitting (and the argument over whether to get SAAs or Schofields). I’m really glad to see an update of the format that lowers the barriers, there are definitely young folk out there interested.
@maximilianmustermann5763
@maximilianmustermann5763 7 ай бұрын
I looked into Cowboy Action Shooting because I really like lever guns and revolvers, but quite frankly I don't find it interesting because it's just a very formulaic quick shooting contest. The targets are always huge and very close, the ammo is loaded down to where there's no recoil. Sorry but I don't find that interesting enough to invest in two SA revolvers and a coach gun (I already have a lever gun).
@toddwebb7521
@toddwebb7521 8 ай бұрын
For the folks that like the sound of roaring 20s deadeye you may like a wildbunch match if your local cowboy action group has such matches. Where you need regular power levels to make a 1911 function you can't load up 300 fps ultra light loads
@seanhartman6496
@seanhartman6496 8 ай бұрын
I am right with you on this. Although I am in to old west guns and have been shooting black powder for years, I have never gotten into Cowboy Action Shooting because of a local Saturday match I attended once to check it out. Everyone was very friendly and desperate for new, younger blood to their sport, but the targets were laughably large and close and the day got repetitive and redundant real quick. In addition to 2 pistols, shotgun, and lever action rifle, everyone had spares for all of those guns, and they all needed to be tricked out to be competitive. Then, everyone was hauling around their now massive amount of gear on custom wooden carts. It became clear to me why nearly everyone there was senior citizen aged; it’s an expensive sport for retirees and in the end it wasn’t that interesting. I have been wanting to see variations to the sport; something that could be simpler and cheaper but at the same time more challenging than simply running against a clock.
@GEV646
@GEV646 8 ай бұрын
This also allows Dead Eye to be applicable in countries with very heavy restrictions on handgun ownership, like Canada. Lever action rifles in pistol calibres are still accessible, but revolvers are much, much more difficult if not outright impossible to come by. Not looking forward to reloading an older Henry Big Boy on the clock though!
@andrewbarton7604
@andrewbarton7604 8 ай бұрын
I hope this takes off! I have been shooting CAS off and on for about 10 years and have some of the opinions as Carl on the redundancy of the stages. Western 3 Gun was a spin off that never took hold that was basically 3 gun Old West. I like the Dead Eye idea more, and hope this becomes a thing.
@kenwheeler3637
@kenwheeler3637 8 ай бұрын
This would absolutely be a pleasant alternative to the formulaic stages in current CAS.
@paulbeck6410
@paulbeck6410 8 ай бұрын
One problem I see is that having a portion of the stage involving running excludes some handicapped or older shooters. That being said, the sport needs to evolve and adapt.
@MichaelJenkins910
@MichaelJenkins910 8 ай бұрын
This looks a lot more like what three gun was meant to be, or could have been. I'm genuinely interested in seeing where this goes.
@gijoe508
@gijoe508 8 ай бұрын
One of the things about SASS that has always bothered me is the gaming the system and the arbitrary rules, you can put short strokes in your rifle but you can’t have finger grooves on your pistol stocks. Stuff like that. Either allow it all or allow nothing. That and cost of entry kept me from doing it, now that I can afford the cost of entry I’m just not that interested in standard cowboy action shooting. This looks like a fun new option.
@W1ldt1m
@W1ldt1m 8 ай бұрын
I love cowboy guns but you've explained exactly why I've never done cowboy action shooting. I went to match and saw how little shooting skill actually played and how much buy to win there was. Come up here to Michigan we need this.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 8 ай бұрын
brutalitymatches.org
@DMPinBC
@DMPinBC 8 ай бұрын
I truly appreciate how you create events to make them accessible to the most people possible. You may not win, but you can compete and complete with entry level firearms or cheap hand-me-downs. It's refreshing to see events where you don't need a car loan worth of equipment just to enter
@stacybrown3714
@stacybrown3714 8 ай бұрын
Very cool. Years ago I tried CAS a couple of times. Although fun, it just didn't trip my trigger. This concept just looks like a blast. Roaring 20s sounds like fun too. Thanks for the work and announcement of a new spin on an old sport.
@crlkrlf4718
@crlkrlf4718 8 ай бұрын
making cowboy action look more of a fun shooting sport than a trickshooting/performance. Looks a great deal of fun.
@kencoffman7145
@kencoffman7145 8 ай бұрын
This is awesome! I'd love to see 3 gun start running matches with manual guns. Many of us own levers, bolts and revolvers (especially us fudds) but today many people state that these won't work. Learning to operate what you have and being accurate are quickly being replaced by speed and 6 inch groups. Keep bringing new/old things up!
@KossoffFan
@KossoffFan 8 ай бұрын
My best friend and I wanted to get involved in CAS for years, but we never invested the time or money because of your exact complaints. We didn't think it was worth it when we could do that kind of shooting in the back yard. This is awesome Karl! Please bring this to North Texas if possible.
@jeromehargus3218
@jeromehargus3218 8 ай бұрын
There is a club in Bowie Texas doing this sort of stuff as well. Not the "brutality" part, but building 3 gun around old guns, up to WW2 I think. Texas Doughboys I think is their name, look them up 👍🏻
@BlackTyrannomon
@BlackTyrannomon 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic idea Karl, I've been hesitant to join SASS or endorse it because of the immense cost associated before you can get onto the range, something like this is desperately needed to get that new blood in!
@bradleyhughes6853
@bradleyhughes6853 8 ай бұрын
I really like this Idea! Modern cowboy action is very similar to Steel Challange in this respect, No surprises, no reloads on the clock and modify your equipment as much as possible. Stage layout is limited
@alias1719
@alias1719 8 ай бұрын
Yes, indeed. And I've gotten push back when I've suggested maybe moving some of the targets to the max distance, or shooting one handed, or on one's weaker side. I try to bring different guns to each match, which keeps things a little more lively for me.
@Stickman87
@Stickman87 8 ай бұрын
This is awesome. I found out about Cowboy Action Shooting when I was 14 (I think) but it took me close to 8 years to acquire all 4 guns. I enjoy the sport when I have time to go, but this is really what I want it to be.
@sbrunscheon
@sbrunscheon 8 ай бұрын
Father of four, public servant, and been wanting to get into CAS for years. The ability to buy all the required guns is absolutely impeding for many people. I love this idea!
@gregwright392
@gregwright392 8 ай бұрын
Outstanding. My buddy and I got disillusioned by how cowboy action shooting evolved and just quit. This is more I've it! Congratulations
@alias1719
@alias1719 8 ай бұрын
Just fuc*ing THANK YOU. Despite my love for the guns and genre, I have hard passed on on CAS - for exactly the reasons you state. As for roaring twenties, I now rue the fact that I sold my 1917 Enfield safe queen last year.
@valleyscottblog2440
@valleyscottblog2440 8 ай бұрын
This looks like so much fun. I’ve never had much interest in the modern 2-gun competitions. But this looks more fun to me. More challenging. Definitely more challenging than the current cowboy action shooting. Might have to give this a try next year.
@tribble1
@tribble1 8 ай бұрын
Karl: You're going to need to use your sights in deadeye division Me: Dry practicing swinging a chair at some barrels
@drafting5353
@drafting5353 8 ай бұрын
I like the idea of the Dead Eye category within a 3-gun competition. Over on the SASS forum a few times a year a thread gets going about attracting new shooters. A lot of members will point out the same things you listed, i.e. 10-10-4, no challenge in hitting the target, a need for 4 guns, and if you want to win you will need 4 heavily modified guns, reloading is also a must. Members will post suggestions, but usually those threads devolve quickly and get locked by the moderators. Out of curiosity what was/is your SASS alias? I don't think you will attract any of the current SASS members, but you might spark an interest in the younger shooters that enjoy the modern westerns and video games.
@jasonbull5961
@jasonbull5961 7 ай бұрын
Sass member, and I would Love to do this. Needs to be about more than who can afford the best tuned for speed guns. It’s all about who can spend the $$ now. Its disheartening.
@atrocitusofryutt8410
@atrocitusofryutt8410 8 ай бұрын
This sounds way more fun, half the issue of wanting to get into competition is that it looks like it gets stale really quickly and you wind up fighting for fractions of seconds to win, like it’s just kind of grindy
@HouseholdDog
@HouseholdDog Ай бұрын
Love the concept. Looks much more challenging. There is also no "right way" to do things. Great for Australia too. Pistols are harder to license here
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 8 ай бұрын
The historical guns at matches is what caught my attention when Inrange first appeared. This is amazing, Karl! I truly admire your push to make practical shooting competition interesting and available to the commoner. That roaring twenties setup is making me eye a couple early 20th century revolvers I have... Having two people competing, one as a cop with a .38 revolver and some old kit, vs the n'er do-well with a 1911 and some wiz bang rifle like an auto 8 or a 1907 self loader.
@Mtbambeno
@Mtbambeno 3 ай бұрын
I hope this catches on! I started shooting CAS in the early 90s. Just recently returned, the sport is vastly different from what it once was.
@ronklug6395
@ronklug6395 6 сағат бұрын
Glad to see that there are more people who doesn’t like that speed cowboy action shooting anymore. Cowboy action shooting now has nothing to do anymore with the old west.
@Ty_N_KC
@Ty_N_KC 4 ай бұрын
That range you were shooting at around the 10 minute mark is a fantastic set up for a range.
@lachlanmckinney3055
@lachlanmckinney3055 4 ай бұрын
What an absolutely amazing evolution of CAS!
@jusztinnemeti6380
@jusztinnemeti6380 2 ай бұрын
Yes. This looks fantastic. I got out of CAS six or seven years ago for three reason: The time - 3 minutes of shooting vs. an hour drive each way and standing around for three hours basically doing nothing. The cost of gas, ammo (I reload) and range fee. And finally, it wasn't a shooting challenge but more of an ammo dump into comically close targets. The only reason I could see Dead Eye not catching on in some areas like mine is CAS has essentially turned into a geezer sport. Lots of seniors - hence the way too close targets and lack of movement on the stages.
@marionriverwoodcraft
@marionriverwoodcraft 8 ай бұрын
I like it in concept. The one issue that I can foresee is the long stage times. If this achieves great popularity it could be hard to complete a regular match in one day with a lot of people participating. It also does not readily accommodate older people with mobility issues. That said, I wish we had something like this here in North Carolina.
@Johnny-nb7eg
@Johnny-nb7eg 4 ай бұрын
Dead eye looks so much fun, so much stress and so much closer to reality...I would love to join any day! Awesome!
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 4 ай бұрын
Come join us! Early access for Patreons: patreon.com/inrangetv And follow the match dates here: brutalitymatches.org
@RedTSquared
@RedTSquared 8 ай бұрын
This is friggin awesome!!! Glad you're doing this and I hope you can make this a huge new Division! Keep evolving the sports Karl, you're doing more for the shooting public than anyone else I can think of! Huzzah!
@davegrove795
@davegrove795 8 ай бұрын
I haven’t done this in years. In the 2000’s in central CA it was not formulaic at all. I love the Deadeye idea. And the Roarin’ 20’s. I think I’ll start looking back in to it.
@brentv9901
@brentv9901 8 ай бұрын
That's real creative thinking man. I was lucky to shoot a couple times this year with a top shooter in cowboy action (great guy too) and and ran into him again at a state match in October. He was at the national championship earlier and I asked him how he liked it and all he said was "eh" lol he said the same thing. All it was was 10 10 4. Very plain too. No props or reactive targets or anything like that. I personally think out there in Arizona and down in Oklahoma is probably where it's the most gamey (atleast from the videos I've watched) up north here it's not as bad. At the new jersey state match we had a stage with 23 knockdowns and a plethora of different ways to shoot it. That was entertaining lol
@brentv9901
@brentv9901 8 ай бұрын
Plus the biggest downfall of this is all the old timers in our sport. You know they can't get up and down from the ground like that haha
@matteoorlandi856
@matteoorlandi856 8 ай бұрын
this is the elephant in the room of every sport, but shooting expecially: you can create something supposed to be fun to "play" with and all but at the end people will standardize into the "quickest, easyest, better way" to do something again and again and again because they have to win and they will use anything and any hole in the rules to reach victory. wich will drive away the newcommers since they want to have fun and play. sorry for my english, it is what it is.
@Full_Otto_Bismarck
@Full_Otto_Bismarck 8 ай бұрын
Limiting prizes and trophies to a simple position on the board and some bragging rights tends to weed out the worst of the "gamers". The culture of the individual club also plays a part. If the club as a whole makes it clear that braggarts, rule benders, and other such toxic traits of the TOO highly competitive are not tolerated then these people will move on. One must treat narcissistic personalities like we do internet trolls, dont feed em.
@matteoorlandi856
@matteoorlandi856 8 ай бұрын
this is true, but think about IDPA: ruled by a pistol (CZ shadow 2 ) that was designed to fit a hole in the rules to be the best gun to use in the matches. it's not the single club that do the rules, at least here in my country (italy) we started mocking those competitions because they are just a shell of what the initial intention was.@@Full_Otto_Bismarck
@foxtrotunit1269
@foxtrotunit1269 8 ай бұрын
And the answer to that: Re-imagine the spirit of the old sport (that was gamed) with a new sport (that wasn't gamed yet). Cowboy Action was gamed, so a new sport (Dead Eye) is created, and won't be gamed for another 30-40years (that's more than enough for me).
@matteoorlandi856
@matteoorlandi856 8 ай бұрын
example n2, there is a national championship for ex-ordinance bolt action and semiautos, where you are allowed to CHANGE the barrel of a rifle and swapping a match barrel, brand new. WTF? what's the difference with a brand new match rifle then? and at the same time the swiss k11 is banned from the championship because... the trigger pull it's too light. but it's a totally stock 100 years old rifle! all BS.
@traildogisla
@traildogisla 8 ай бұрын
English is excellent btw, don't worry
@SantaRosaSlinger
@SantaRosaSlinger 8 ай бұрын
As someone who loves Cowboy Action Shooting (specifically Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter) but also enjoys the more dynamic and challenging nature of more modern/“tactical” multigun competitions, I am so thrilled to see that you are spearheading this new wave of Old West shooting! I absolutely hope to venture out west to a Brutality Match to shoot in the Deadeye division one day… but in the meantime, I’ll have to see if any of the CAS and/or multigun matches here in Florida would be interested in experimenting with the Deadeye concept!
@ianbargman145
@ianbargman145 8 ай бұрын
Well …. I shoot CAS regularly and because we have a dedicated range we can shoot and move , we regularly have pistol / rifle KD’s and a wide range of athletic abilities, or speed of shooting, we see CAS as a big tent under which you can enjoy the sport in many ways … The deadeye game you suggest would have some new safety rules required, it would exclude some of our older players, but could be fun… good luck with the idea …
@redsky8509
@redsky8509 8 ай бұрын
of course at my age and knees, yeah, I am going to take the record for slowest times, but then, it is for fun
@bryangonzalez1398
@bryangonzalez1398 8 ай бұрын
This sounds incredible and really can't wait to give this a try! I've shot SASS for several years and while I enjoy it, I moved over to a group called the Grand Army of the Frontier when I lived in Nebraska for a bit and they were more focused on military firearms from the 19th century, so you saw a lot of Krags, Springfield's, and Spencer's being used. While I know it would be slower, I really hope a setup like you're creating would allow for more single shot rifles and carbines from the Civil War to be used and help better display the wide variety of firearms available in the American frontier during the period. I have a 59 Sharps conversion that I'd love to finally get in competition that isn't just long range shooting like at the Quigley match. Have you ever competed/wanted to compete in the Quigley shoot out in Montana?
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 8 ай бұрын
Come join us at Handgun Brutality! Early access for Patreons, or keep an eye on this website for when it goes public: brutalitymatches.org
@Dregkar
@Dregkar 8 ай бұрын
I actually wanted to get into cowboy action shooting a few years ago but saw a lot of footage that looked like the first two clips and decided against it. Hope this new idea gains more traction
@ElChris816
@ElChris816 8 ай бұрын
This looks and sounds like an amazing event(s). "Using these weapons as they were intended" should be the motto of Dead Eye. I enjoy learning and watching anything about old west firearms, and this seems like a total blast. Well done, Karl.
@Jason32Bourne
@Jason32Bourne 4 ай бұрын
I support this 1000% Looking forward to participating one day. And that 1920's event you mentioned, oh HELL YEAH!!!!!
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 7 ай бұрын
Great job Karl. I always thought that modern mainstream "Cowboy Action Shooting" is LAME at best. And I have always been a big fan of what you guys are doing down in the Desert
@sasquatch885
@sasquatch885 6 ай бұрын
I shot CAS in the beginning at Coto de Caza for a few years. Got back into it four years ago. It’s definitely changed, but still fun. I’d love to try a Deadeye match.
@writerartist5822
@writerartist5822 8 ай бұрын
Retired military, just getting into lever rifles and single action revolvers. Wish someone, like yourself, would build a "tactical cowboy course", or "proficient cowboy/ Texas Ranger Course". Teach how a proficient gunman of that time might, or could, operate his tools. In retirement it would be nice to learn, and improve these skills just for learning's sake. I bring up to you because you seem to like the thought process, and skill focus required. Anyway, just a thought.
@guyfox1206
@guyfox1206 8 ай бұрын
You do make some good points, I'm VP of my CAS club and we are definitely cowboy action drag racing. Reson being, that's what draws the bigger crowds. Your stages look like a blast! I hope we get a brutality type club anywhere near here, I would love to do it.
@IvanIvanoIvanovich
@IvanIvanoIvanovich 8 ай бұрын
I loved the use of the chair.
@CarlosGonzalez-km9xr
@CarlosGonzalez-km9xr 8 ай бұрын
Man, that looks like fun! I like the challenging factor. Keep up the good work. I’m a fan.
@Syntax_Error_404
@Syntax_Error_404 8 ай бұрын
YES! For me this is sooo much compelling! It needs to be tweaked a bit to allow for safety rules and less mobile people, but this makes the meta of the spirt so much more complex and intriguing.
@samirish6696
@samirish6696 8 ай бұрын
Deadeye matches look awesome! Best of luck getting that out there.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 8 ай бұрын
Fingers crossed!
@andyhamilton2202
@andyhamilton2202 8 ай бұрын
So cool! Looks 10x more exciting than the ways it's been done. Nice job!
@johnlay4607
@johnlay4607 8 ай бұрын
Started SASS in 1998 found NCOWS in 2008 have been shooting it since. NCOWS is basically what you are talking about might just look at that.
@showlow626
@showlow626 2 ай бұрын
I wish you all the best on your new style matches but I honestly don't see it replacing SASS matches any time soon. First, there are a LOT of shooters like me, 74 years old, two knee surgeries and one total hip replacement so far, so getting down on the ground then getting back up would be a challenge in itself! We shoot at a club in Show Low, AZ and along with the pistol, rifle, shotgun stages we have incorporated the plastic mesh barriers shown in your videos and frequently shoot what we call "Modern Cowboy" which is basically "10-10-4" with cowboy guns but with a lot of barriers, leaning out over corners, etc. and downrange movement just like the modern practical guys do.
@cupajoe7258
@cupajoe7258 8 ай бұрын
Been in SASS for a few years, only been to a couple matches as I'm paying off student loans, have a family and have cheap guns that don't all work at the same time😅 dead eye sounds right up my alley if it was closer to Kansas 😊
@bearddevil
@bearddevil 8 ай бұрын
This looked like so much fun. Two guys on my squad at CQB Brutality were doing deadeye, and I was kinda jealous. I think I might have to raid my Dad's safe for his C96 broomhandle to shoot in April... I also joined my local ICORE revolver group for a match this last weekend, and it was so much less challenging and dynamic than Brutality. Just "how much speed can you buy", it seemed like. I really loved shooting revolver class at Handgun Brutality, and am definitely doing it again in April.
@reachvictoria3386
@reachvictoria3386 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for breathing some life into CAS! I truly hope “Deadeye” takes off and becomes a mainstay of CAS around the world.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 8 ай бұрын
You and me both!
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh
@JamesLaserpimpWalsh 8 ай бұрын
I feel your pain. I was always second place in every discipline I have ever competed in. There was always someone better than I was on the day. hah. Cheers for the vid.
@jericho2619
@jericho2619 8 ай бұрын
This looks amazing. I hope it takes off.
@amberyooper
@amberyooper 8 ай бұрын
this is a lovely idea! Another thing I have always thought about cowboy action shooting is that the cartridges are way under loaded, it's like cheating... There should be matches where you have to shoot factory power cartridges and deal with the recoil they produce, especially in revolvers. If everyone is using standard pressure loads, then there's no advantage, or disadvantage involved between the competitors due to the load pressures and recoil. Of course, there should probably be a separate category for the 44 and 45 caliber loadings and the 38 caliber loadings, and there could also be a 31-32 caliber loading match.
@bryanrandolph4129
@bryanrandolph4129 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Never knew the 10-10-4, but that was a primary reason I never invested in CASS decades ago. Glad for your foresight and innovation to the sport.
@carwynvan
@carwynvan 8 ай бұрын
I'm not a shooter, I'm not even in America, but from this short video your dead eye shooting looks alot more fun than the 10,10,4 format.
@ROE1300
@ROE1300 8 ай бұрын
👍 I like the whole concept of your “Dead Eye” matches. I hope you have much success in expanding the interest in this variation of Cowboy Action Shooting.
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 8 ай бұрын
I like a lot of what you are doing here. I like the longer ranges, The use of full power loads, The less costly equipment requirements, and such. The problem I would have is that age and health would make it impossible for me. To even attempt such a stage would have me taken out in an ambulance. I see a need for a middle ground. Perhaps a Geritol division. 😇
@ArizonaGhostriders
@ArizonaGhostriders 8 ай бұрын
This was definitely be new and exciting to CAS
@gunnerdupree3406
@gunnerdupree3406 8 ай бұрын
Karl had the biggest smile when he mentioned how much he loves old west cowboy guns. I'm freakin excited as hell for this. I hope to attend a match soon.
@charlesgroves3096
@charlesgroves3096 8 ай бұрын
I think you're on the right track but it would eliminate people who are older or even handicapped from competing. I think somewhere between the two extremes would work out good. More focus on marksmanship and reloads would help also.
@jmpetersrn
@jmpetersrn 8 ай бұрын
Well reasoned argument. Frankly, what you proposed is essentially what I thought cowboy action shooting wss doing.
@ruffmansavageveteran1345
@ruffmansavageveteran1345 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the vid. Nice to see someone making these video with in my age range.
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@iankelley7574
@iankelley7574 8 ай бұрын
There was a group of Cowboy Action Shooters in Renton, WA in the late 90's and early 200's that were hosting a similarly designed shoot. It wasn't an official SASS match, but it was extraordinarily fun.
@Mythteller
@Mythteller 8 ай бұрын
What be needed as a new additions of Wild West guns competition are reproduction UK DA Adams, Enfield, and 2 trigger Tranter revolvers😁
@terryschiller2625
@terryschiller2625 8 ай бұрын
I love the Dead eye concept Karl! I enjoy old western guns. Already have the 1873 uberti in 357/38, 1875 Remington also in 357/38, and two 1873 SAA one in 357/38 the other in 22. And a coach shotgun in 12ga. So yeehaa from East Tennessee.🤠
@MrBBnumber9
@MrBBnumber9 8 ай бұрын
This looks exciting and the other events sound cool. Though I think one other thing you could look at doing is a 1700s style event. Probably not many people showing up for that but it would be fun.
@theknifedude1881
@theknifedude1881 8 ай бұрын
Dead Eye looks like a lot more fun and more accessible.
@KiLLJOY1056
@KiLLJOY1056 8 ай бұрын
Hey guys, more people that cant or wont own real guns should know this. Umarex has released a Shell Ejecting Lever Action Gas Pellet/Rifle. It shoots .177 Pellets at 700fps, which is great for target shooting up to 50 yards. They also make the Single Action Colt SAA. My point in saying this, is that you can all get into Cowboy Action shooting right in your backyard, like I am, without real guns, even to do with your kids. I am having great fun as well as practice. Its also much much cheaper than using real rounds, and its quieter.
@davidgardner863
@davidgardner863 7 ай бұрын
This may not be for beginners but my favorite matches were with side match guns. The club I used to shoot with had a side match only, once a month alternating with the main matches. It featured derringer, pocket pistol, ,22 pistol and rifle, long range pistol, large caliber lever rifle, single shot rifle, as well as the main match guns. When the club disbanded I lost interest in SASS.
@RememberPele
@RememberPele 8 ай бұрын
This looks genuinely fun and exciting, great stuff
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 8 ай бұрын
I'm loving this. I've only shot one cowboy action match, and everything being new, I really enjoyed it. I've been very interested in getting more into that, but have been disappointed by the lack of dynamics to the point that I've never pulled the trigger (so to speak) on the required guns. This is exciting.
@ingunowner7088
@ingunowner7088 5 ай бұрын
This is top notch fun.
@TexasSurplusPro
@TexasSurplusPro 5 ай бұрын
I’d love to see this expand!
@InrangeTv
@InrangeTv 5 ай бұрын
Working on it! join us! :)
@TomL-
@TomL- 7 ай бұрын
Looks awesome! I do wish that current SASS shooting was less restrictive with regards to the number of firearms needed and the limited models that you can use with one another. I also like the idea of having a more dynamic shooting experience. However, I would probably prefer to see something in between the current standard and what you are doing.....my back and knees were hurting just watching you get up and down from the ground and running, haha.
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