Fool me once shame on you. Fool me ten times shame on me.

Sony seems to love keeping their toe in the door (to keep their rights to Spiderman) while the audience tries to slam it shut. "How many times do we need to teach you a lesson old man?"

It’s superhero movies in general. They haven’t made a great film in a decade. They haven’t made a good one in 5 years.

@@JayG724no way home? A pretty good banger of a superhero film

Who aside from KZfaqrs actually watched this movie tho lmao

As a run-on sentence, Madam Web's line is worse (no punctuation at all) but the Suicide Squad line is a major clunker.

Iconic 😂

Up there with Ray Palmer and his nanites

"People die if they are killed...but they double die if they are killed by Katana and her sword...he was in the Amazon with my mom when she had his back just before she died...because she was killed."

We all laugh at the Katana line, but I genuinely love the delivery of it lol

What review was that ?

@@EyedMite, Flash I think.

Honestly, I wouldn't call this ghoulish. It didn't CGI dead actors, some without the consent of their families. It's bad, but it's not amoral and disgusting like The Flash.

@@EyedMiteThe Flash

I understood that reference.

The editing made my head spin

They fixed it in post

I like how he says "its 2003" and then names arguments as to why its not (PSP release date, etc)

I remember my best friend renting Daredevil from Blockbuster, we watched it, got to the end and looked at each other and just burst out laughing

They actually did those cuts in the movie too, it's very jarring

Died. From war crimes.

​​@@isaacvaildied, from too much laughing

I like the part when she said "It's Madame Webbin time" and then she Madame laughed all over the spider than died....Oscar worthy performance

HAHAHAHAH! MEMES! HAHAHAHA! THE SAME JOKE OVER AND OVER FOR MONTHS! HAHAHAHA! This endless shit is as bad as the films themselves.

​@@Jayfive276At least the jokes are more original than whatever Sony spumm trite they make

Mr Jump is such a good name for a Mr Hyde Spidey person parallel. Like a jumping spider. I’d watch that

"It's Madame-ing Time"

First name Mister, last name Jump

Uh, excuse me? That's Mister Jump and Stick to you

Mr. Jump is a man who hunts you down and forces you to read manga.

Didn't they only mention they were Parkers in the credits? It's never even addressed on-screen lmao they couldn't even get leeching off the name right

I think the original cut was filled with spider-man references and the executives saw it and was like “”…..this is 💩 we can’t have the spider-man name on this 💩 it will damage the brand, cut everything linked to Spider-man now””

Early favorite for "the game is on" award

Sony only has the rights to peripheral characters in the “Spiderverse” (Venom, Morbius, Madame Web)

That or for Sony to keep their Spidey license

That's me. Combination of social anxiety and agoraphobia 😂 thanks brain, ya fuckin bellend

You are probably like billions of other people spending your life online, depleting your brain of dopamine, and thinking you are a agoraphobic.

Isn't it ironic? Don't you think?

@@Psilocybin77 any other soapboxes you'd like to stand on?

That's why I spend all my time standing right in my front doorway, I hate it slightly less.

It's also what gives the Green Goblin his powers in The Amazing Spiderman 2

Seriously? Do better, SPUMM!@@chiyo-chanholocaust8143

I'm surprised they haven't cast the rock yet. Though he'll probably be in kraven

There is one plot. All the movies have to share.

In all fairness, it’s not everyday made-up diseases are found but when they are, they come from the jungle.

I've heard that Sony was purposely obfuscating things for the actors, even on set, and essentially telling them that this was part of Marvel. Neither Dakota Johnson nor Sidney Sweeney seem to know anything about the Marvel (or Sony) movies, so I think they may have not realized that there was this weird relationship in the first place (and either their agents didn't know, or just didn't care). There has been talk of Marvel possibly suing Sony for brand confusion and trying to get the full rights - not just for how they obfuscated things for the actors, but also for the audience. There have been at least several times where Sony was trying to advertise their movies as being part of the Marvel universe, and Marvel basically sent cease-and-desist letters to make Sony stop doing that. If Marvel sues, people would get to see all the texts and emails between Sony people about this relationship, and I'm sure that'll be pretty juicy. And the reason why the same writers of Morbius were able to write this was because Morbius hadn't come out yet by the time they landed this movie as well. And the 2 main writers had previously written a Dracula movie script that had been on Hollywood's blacklist for a while, and they basically just got more opportunities because people liked that one script.

Yeah they probably did think they were getting into the MCU, but... so what? Let's not pretend this was some kind of genius plot to fool a bunch of prestigious actors in to doing a dud movie that is so far beneath their talents and abilities. They're all shit-tier actors who had nothing else to do, and they all got paid much more than they're worth.

Millennial manager here and no.

Every time I hear or read it like that, a little more of me dies inside

That’s how the movie says it? Absolute garbage. It’s not even the same message, lesser in fact.

Sydney Sweeney's boobies have great power to make people come

Glad they finally got it right in No Way Home. Not even Raimi Spider-man got it right

What do you mean? He was using the theatrical cut. There really wasn't much more content to show...

And Ben Affleck

Plus explain how Peter's parents (or just mom if his dad isn't in the picture in this version) died. It's schlocky and hacky, but better that than inconsequential and boring.

There were so many better movies here lol

Or Madame Web is supposed to help give the spider-women their powers, but one of them has been imprisoned by Simms, since he wants to be the only one with powers. As sort of happens in the comics.

That was rumored to be the storyline as it was being filmed. My theory is they added the three Spider-Women in an attempt to promote a "Girl Power" element.

GOD the future sucks

@@lewiscopland4568my sentiments exactly!

This is what they do in sports already, they have ad boards that can show whatever they need in whichever territory is showing the game

Now THAT is a pitched round of bidding for product placement that I want to see. 😂

Gee, aren't movies magical!

Ironically I dont think that people understand...that they are currently doing this already...haha.. just the profit they are seeking is not money...but I think what results from these horrible IPs...

It wouldn't be entertaining if it was made on purpose as a bad film.

Yeah, they need to cut the production budget on these massively and just lean into the shitty, Room-style movies

What they need to do is just stop trying to make live-action Spider-Man spinoffs without Spider-Man in it and lean into Spider-Verse. Give the animation studio more money and hire more animators so that the animators that are already there can be paid more and not have to work as hard. It's the only thing they do without Marvel Studios that everyone actually likes.

​@@einootsporkThat would arguably be the worst-case scenario. Imagine these clueless execs forcing the cheapest writers/directors they can get to pump out countless movies tainting the Spider-Verse franchise.

Boo.

So… The Rocketeer then?

That's such an amazing detail to include in such a stupid movie

Was it a rock or a firework... underwater?

She sees the future like that guy from Inhumans, who can calculate innumerable fight probabilities but then slips on some loose dirt, hits his head and loses his powers

@@tomato_dragon9585 😂🤣🤣

I was thinking exactly that too@@tomato_dragon9585

it all goes into making the character comic book accurate...showing her young and a few decades in the past of current MCU/Sony timelines, so that she can be the old lady in the chair in present time

my favourite part was when villain said: 'It's none of your business' and she replies: 'I'm gonna make it MADAME business'

My favorite scene was when Cassie was cleaning up some dust and spider webs and one of the girls said ‘Madame Web over here….’

I liked it when she said, "it's webbin' time!"

​@@ramsoomairAnd webbed all over everything.

Ur all nerds

So they fucked everything up

'Iconic' ahem.

To be fair the venom movies have been relatively good.

Fantastic, right? It was completely ADR.

What’s funny about the Spiderverse movies (probably not related but maybe a “fun fact”) is that the first spiderverse, even though it was fantastic, didn’t do so well at the box office because of the previous movie “emoji” The second spiderverse did way better because after the first spiderverse got released, word got around about how great it really is.

@@Grumpyskater One of the directors tweeted after the first one came out that "we seem to have made a word-of-mouth Spider-Man movie", which is a thing that didn't seem like it was logically possible. Its box office wasn't great but I recall it gathered cult hit status in streaming.

My guy, thank you!

And Avi is producing the Legend of Zelda film… I hope Nintendo overrules his stupid decisions!

Avi Arad produced both Spider-Verse films. He suggested The Spot as the villain in Across.

@@Elite-0Zero I stand corrected. Although given his live action record, I'm going to assume the long lead times still help insulate animation from producer interference.

Usually that’s the case, but this time it was Lorenzo di Bonaventura, who produced every live-action Transformers.

I do feel bad for Matt Smith and Dakota and all the actors tricked into thinking they're in the mcu

@@tomimpalathe worst part imo is that they technically are since everything is potentially canon via the multiverse. So now when Marvel inevitably wants to reference Spider people for like Secret Wars or whatever these are gonna be among the variants they pull from. That’s so upsetting. Sony is doing so much damage outside of Tom Holland’s Peter sometimes and Miles’ trilogy that won’t be a trilogy

​@@nailinthefashionI would bet the recent Sony products won't be referenced in the MCU unless in Spider-Man. K E.V.I.N. knows this crap is crap.

@@nailinthefashionAfter the whole fiasco the MCU has had with their own recent movies and now finally going back to quality over quantity (The Marvels really made them wake up thank goodness), I really doubt Kevin will take stuff from the sonyverse outside Venom (which lets not forget, he left a little bit of himself behind in the MCU already). Mayyybe they bring some Spiderverse characters (hell yeah) but thats not the sonyverse, thats a whole separate thing on its own (thank fkn God for that lol)

The contracts have long since been signed by the time of filming. That's almost a conspiracy theory. Absolute nonsense.

Long story short, NEVER let Sony cook

Long story short, Sony and Warner Bros should never touch a superhero movie ever again and lose their license

​@@devstruction98 what's insane about WB is that they are DC !!! They hold all the rights to their own creations , they have great comic writers and fantastic writers for the animated series, movies and TV shows and they still don't make a good live action movie!!!!! All WB has/had to do was do exactly what's in the animated movies and it would be a hit.

Don't you dare speak ill about Avi Arad, the original true believer, whose vision led the way to bringing these iconic characters to the screen

Venom was alright and Venom2 was a downgrade in quality but its still fine. I personally think those two movies are overhated. They're not great, thats 100% true, but at least they're enjoyable and actually watchable unlike the other ones on this list lol.

I love that Ben can never be anything ever, but Uncle Ben.

Batgirl was also canned because the test audience HATED the movie. So likely it was just a very bad flick. There was probably nothing lost. Count your blessings and watch the Dark Knight again

It’s probably one of the worst films ever made if they canned it

@@NobuhikuObayashi...have you been paying attention to what Warner have been canning and deleting over the last two years? Not really an indicator of quality.

@@MrJimheerenso you mean to tell me; batgirl is reported to have test audience HATE it right? Did we hear that for Madame Web…was there even a test screening done by Sony? If so, that’s insane because it means some of our shitty population enjoyed this garbage. If there were no test screenings, how is that? There’s a lot of shadiness is how a movie as bad as Madame Web gets released. Venom and Morbius make sense because of having Tom Hardy and then Jared Leto(even though having Leto is not a great thing lol.) but, Madame Web has nothing and is nothing.

@@thelastsith2706 Batgirl was produced by WB not Sony two different companies. And all I know is that the Batgirl movie was so hated by test audiences that it was a major reason why the movie was canned.

the poor editors having to stretch 2 minutes of trailer footage to 40 minutes lol

Honestly, the best thing about this film is the fine amount of ammo it has given my favorite movie reviewers to completely trash this thing into oblivion. Bless'em~

Make it scarecrow and have him detonate the fear toxin in hopes of it stopping batman, only for it to make batman scarier to the remaining criminals(and therefore, for the remainder of the movie)

Braghhh

Well to be fair to you the good guys don’t usually throw people out of windows.

@@Jaydee-wd7wr Thanks you, i just thought it would be the big twist.

I'd watch that

You actually thought of something interesting. Instead it's the scene from Watchmen for no reason.

We still have Kraven.

​@@anubusx these guys are villains so i cant understand why they make them into anti heroes which make no sense

@@mogamadrifaatabrahams8643 I agree it makes no sense.

I was 15 in 2003 and most of my friends had phones. They didn't say everyone had one, but you wouldn't be astonished by the sight of one

"Congratulations, It's a 32 year old man! Nurse get me the shaving kit and job the application forms"

Possible true, but this is the woman that made THREE 30 Shades movies, so maybe her idea of a good script is a little wonky.

@@kingfield99 the paycheck must have been good I guess? 🤔

Let's stop making excuses for them. These people are consistently associated with garbage, so maybe the Chernobyl series was just an anomaly.

_''Someone said the first drafts for God of Egypt and Dracula untold''_ - honestly, ALWAYS take those claims with a grain of salt. They're always making excuses. And isn't it just too weird that the writers for Gods of Egypt, Dracula Untold, Madame Web, Morbius, The Last Witch Hunter and Power Rangers are the same writers? You can't really justify major studio interference for ALL those movies... The common denominator is that its the same writers. They're just bad writers. All their movies at their core just have bad and bland ideas. ''You have to be a very good writer to make a bad movie'' that's not even a saying. 55% of a movie's quality comes from its writing - you can have the best _everything else_ but if writing fails,, the entire movie fails.

I agree after this $h!te mess she needs her nepo baby "actress" card rip to shreds.gtfo dakota ur acting in all your endeavors have been sheeeiiit.

Ya coud 'ave been a lawyer, a plumber, a doctor! Hell your mother would have been upset but okay with you being a damn ref for the local boxing events! But a criminal? Your father is rolling in his grave!

I think they mentioned it was the specific remix used in the film

Fun Fact: It was used as the theme for the Catwoman movie! 🤔 Wonder if there's a connection there...

​@@lrrroftheplanetomicronpersei8No, Stargate were the producers of the 2003 single. He's just wrong

Yeah, I thought that too, no idea where James got 2018 from.

It's even more dumb due to 1) Ezekiel isn't a villain in the comics. and 2) He doesn't have a costume like that, lol. It baffles me the choices made for this movie.

No it wasn't. The licence resets with every movie. If that were the case they would space kraven and venom3 years apart

@@kevinsmithfan37 you seriously think this was a real attempt at filmmaking? Did you see it? It was just sloppily thrown together and dumped in theaters. The only reason to release it is the rights; otherwise it would have been better off sitting on a shelf as a tax break and sparing them the marketing costs.

@@motor-3734 WB are the only ones who can do that tax break stuff because of the merger between Discovery. Because of the take over they get given a window to write off projects as a loss. Sony don't have that luxury. Again whenever sony make a spiderverse movie the rights reset from the time of release. If they release Madame web now the rights just reset right. Well the rights will reset again in a few months with Kraven and again with venom 3. If Madame web really was only made to hold the rights what they would have done is shelf it for 5 years and release it soon as the rights would run out.

​@@motor-3734No you are giving them too much credit. They truly think these shitty movies will build a franchise. They don't need to retain a license when Spider-verse came out less than a year ago.

@@motor-3734 it's that bad because they took a writing team who has only produced terrible work with a first time feature director. A director btw that directed a GoT spin off pilot that was so bad they scrapped the show and started from scratch.

If that's an actual quote I will piss myself

With great hackery comes great plagiarism.

​​@@FringeSpectreyou would be more piss by the actual quote from the movie

@@FringeSpectre the actual quote is the poignant "when you take on the responsibility, great power will come"

@@blipmachine No way that's the actual quote... That is so farcical.

My father was researching lions in Africa when he was killed

Yeah but for some reason didn't age in 30 year's

We may never know.

It was a bet

'very talented people' Are you sure about that?

Studio meddling, that's how. Nothing new for franchise sequels- especially nothing new for Sony Spider-man sequels.

I like your pfp

They might as well not release Kraven and spare us the pain.

​@@somerandoladnow I'm thinking on that last Kraven trailer- which scene is going to be from the climax, when he's doing his truck nose biting, or what?

That's far too interesting an idea for a terrible movie like this.

"This is Pepsi! They're our financial backers! I advise not getting killed by their advertising sign! It traps the souls of its victims and turns them into cola!"

It's wild that the movie just seems like this, but terrible.

Nah here in the UK we all had phones in school in 2001/2002. My family didn't even have much money but I still had a phone, was a Sony Ericsson coca cola phone haha

Sony really dropped the ball on getting a Motorola razr sponsor for that.

Also if you were in HS, like these characters, if you DID have one you would have had it “for emergencies only” and would have saved your night and weekend minutes to maybe call your friends occasionally.

@@ItsNickFox I had my third cell phone by then. It wasn't the best. But it was a neat little flip phone.

@@Deception975 I had my second by then. A Samsung flip to replace my Nokia 5160 with a green faceplate. I was still only allowed to use it for emergencies, or to arrange for me to be picked up after an event

I was gonna say that flip phones were already common back then

2017 power rangers was dumb fun. Really dumb at times, but it was genuinely really entertaining.

@CrowTRobot i agree, but i do have complaints about it. now Dracula Untold on the other hand, i love that. i hate that Luke Evans is smoking hot but he would rather date my brother than me 😭