Much of her story is tragic, but also entirely expected. It just feels more like a cult mentality than anything and she’s having a hard time breaking the programming

@@deaddomain Katie McHugh went through something somewhat similar, but she doesn't have quite the same profile as Lauren Southern. It's definitely a pattern.

I'm bisexual as hell and I wanna be trans or at least a femboy (amab) I wanna be a trad wife and raise babies with my hubby. Does that make me a misogynist?

This is my surprised face.​@@deaddomain

It sucks. The problem is, we don’t have trillions of pounds in propaganda money like the enemy does, so they’re always going to be more successful at indoctrination and manipulation than we are at helping people break free

Conservatives: "Why is no one talking about this!?" Feminists for the past 60 years: 🙄

Leopards ate her face after covering herself in raw meat and walking into a cat enclosure.

It's why I legitimately don't feel bad for any of these conservative women. Reap what you sow. Enjoy being property.

@@CodeNameX001 "Why is no one I listen to talking about this!?"

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 And loudly preached that everyone should do the same.

THANK YOU

Thank YOU! 😊

@@user-vk7rs5oj2ni see it, does it mention birthdates?

Fr, if these people think that simply stating that it is not mandatory to be a wife and mother 'makes' those desires go away... how real were those desires in the first place?

@@roundhouse2616 Exactly.

EXACTLY

The left pushes for as much freedom for as many people as possible. But brainless “free speech” takes see leftists rejects the far-right WW2 German group and freak out about slippery slopes. Frustrating, but never so much we’ll quit trying.

Something I've noticed is a lot of projection from the right. They think the left "grooms" kids into an ideology bc that's how they were raised and that's how they raise their kids; they think it's essentially just brainwashing with different ideologies and they have to get to the kids first. They literally cannot comprehend the idea of free will without feeling guilt about it. A lot of that is due to generations of abuse combined with severe Christian and Catholic trauma, and once you realize it, it becomes really clear.

yeah half the time when they talk about how the 'left' attacks people for "how we choose to live our lives" it's usually projection... Like every time someone makes the joke of how they would've been "turned trans" these days because they were a tomboy growing up, and it's like.... dude, people on the left are rarely gonna be the ones attacking you for doing gender however you like. It's your side that assumes someone has to be trans if they don't fit -your- idea of gender stereotypes.

They just think that we're doing the same thing they are but in the opposite direction

On MINIMUM WAGE no less!

And also I can still buy a really cute fitted boat neck dress from Macy's wrapped in a cardboard box. And food is cheaper.

Also nostalgic for 1950s fashion and music.

@@parishthewolf1508 and movies!

Yes all of this sounds wonderful 😊

She is very much my lil baby

She's adorable, and so is your concession to her need for head bumps and attention. ​@@deaddomain

​@@deaddomain make sure you do something for mother's day! I always do something as my dog's mother and this is my gf's first mother's day ❤️

​@@deaddomainACAB: All Cats Are Baby.

Chronic illnesses are rotten. Here's hoping you'll get a reduction of symptoms.

Feminism has tricked you into consuming more soy than your body can handle, leaving you stuck at home in the woman's role. I'll be praying for capitalism to rescue you from this torment.

💯

Reading your comment made my stomach hurt. People are just so awful.

Considering they don't understand consent.... yeah. They genuinely also think this is how bdsm works. There have been countless examples of them saying consent isn't real

You are so right, yet they'll call people in the scene deviants.

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 Why do I feel like this is part of the reason we ended up with "50 shades of grey"?

@@gekirobo8720 Fifty Shades of grey exists because of a certain kind of sexually repressed and frustrated women, usually older women. It’s probably the most obvious example of heteronormative society being more comfortable with heterosexual abuse mis-labeled as romance than anything outside of the norm. It was written by a Mormon woman who thought she was writing a steamy taboo story about hot bdsm but wrote a story about horrific abuse combined with some of the blandest sex scenes I’ve ever read. It’s a bad book, not just because it’s poorly written, it is but also because it’s bad porn and badly researched; well, more accurately not researched. It’s an embarrassment.

Makes me sick…especially since a lot of them advocate for adults marrying children

…you’re not wrong but 😬😬😬

Jesus. I mean, you're not WRONG, but, Christ, dude.

I don't get why people are like "jesus.. dude.." Cuz Republicans keep trying to pass child-marriage laws to lower the age of consent to 10-12 years old. This is just apt.

Don't forget "uneducated and under my constant watch"

Okay, I watched the rest of the video and Southern's problem was something else: she married a super immature asshole. At 22. That she had known for only 4 months. And ignored the red flags. I'm not a conservative, but I know plenty and they would say there's nothing in the ideology that requires women to be morons with incredibly bad judgment.

Well said. It is toxic role playing.

Oh, absolutely. It's hardly a surprise that they tend to be outspoken and VERY authoritarian. They like power. They just happen to not be self-aware enough to realize it and instead identify with an ideology that they know takes power AWAY from them.

it's so malign of her, because the very course of the article makes it clear that the specific thing being called dangerous and stupid is the trad community rabbit hole itself, the thing southern fell into, not the mere idea of being a SAHM partner or wearing dresses or marrying a man or whatever.

When I heard that line I thought, well, I probably would use kinder words than "stupid" but I would be very concerned if a woman told me she was marrying a man she hadn't known very long, he was moving her to a new country where she doesn't know anyone, and their plan was for her to be totally financially dependent on him. Everyone's should be free to marry whomever they choose, but I think there needs to be an escape plan.

I know maybe like.. 15 examples in complete memory where I've seen progressives call "housewife" stuff dangerous 99% of the time, its "eh, yeah. Cool. Hope you can afford it" And sometimes its "the men who want that will usually be horrible to you" (thanks for proving us right Suthern?) I have seenn A LOT of conservative who say they turned fron progressive values because of numerous reasons tho.. "i woke up" or "theyre so angry" or "i wanted to be successful" "im a man/woman" and so on. Never once do i see their history beyond being on twitter for how progressive they were

Seriously, how do you write a conservative propaganda article about how conservative propaganda hurts women? It boggles the mind.

@@RoseThePhoenix -- Enlightened centric at day, anti-woke SJW fighter at night.

"This woman got horrifically abused but... trans people :("

Horseshoe Theory is bullshiite. It exists so slightly right of center can say see? Your socialism is just as bad as fascism!

Didoing at its best. "It's not that bad!" -> "I have power over you, and you should let me."

☝🏾✨ Bingo

Okay, yeah, that one thing was bad, and so was that, and the other, and these fourth and fifth things, but do you *really* wanna be a liberal?? Keep believing and conservatism will make your life better somehow someday!

Yeah, I cut some parts but I’m pretty sure the writer is gender critical

This article was so bad, I stopped reading yesterday the exact minute she called the SPLC radical.

@@deaddomain she is written articles, praising the cass report and criticizing Stonewall for being trans inclusive. I’d say she is.

@@OptimisticAudience I think you either mean "She is *writing* articles," or "She *has* written articles,". Sorry for being a grammar tyrant.

That’s UnHerd for you

My point exactly

Honestly when I see SAH spouses, I'm mostly just jealous that they're actually able to afford it 😂 If there is an equitable division of labor and everyone is happy, good for them fr. 🤷‍♀️

@@lacey892 exactly. I for one love taking care of children and cooking but hate cleaning the house. So if I were to have kids I'd split the chores with my partner.

I read "houseplant" and I was very confused. In other news, my new bong is very good... 😂

​@@gmwillow cheers.

lol she will move to terf island and pivot to how bad men are and therefore "we must keep them out of our spaces" in 3, 2...

I'm fully expecting her to try and backslide for clout and money. The right wing grift seems strong with Lauren, but who knows if the right will embrace her again.

​@@duko3000 unfortunately, for our sakes, if the right won't embrace her, we should, just out of rehabilitation principle. I mean rehabilitation is like the left's MAIN THING, (unless your a Twitter leftist then rehabilitation is more of an aestheic then something your actually allowed to do. Especially over time, change takes A WHILE especially in people that deep in the sauce, the left almost never appreciates that imo. We always here the aftermath and not the 5-10 YEARS it took to come to our conclusion, after spending an even longer time as our political adversary. ) Also I think someone who went full on con and then fell ass backwards into progressivism in the most HARROWING way possible is probably a really good asset. We can point and go "well look at Lauren southern if you want to know what the reality of con politics is." That would be really good for us, especially given how publicly hitlerite she was, (and still is this is just a hypothetical of what would be best for the movement if she does turn the other direction, which probs won't happen ngl but you never know🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️🤷 )

@@user-th1pv6ks5o true, she could be a great example to others that it's never too late to redeem yourself, no matter how much you double or triple down on right wing drifting if she plays her cards right

As pointed out by @TheKavernacle in his video, she's still retweeting the likes of Matt Walsh. She hasn't changed, she just had to face the shitty consequences of her shitty ideology, wound up in a bad spot, but is 100% not done pushing garbage ideas.

My version of it is that feminism gives women the ability to choose their lifestyles. If she wants to be a wife, homemaker, and stay at home mom, great! If she wants to do something else after her kids are old enough to do their own chores or move out? Great! As long as she does right by herself and her loved ones, great!

People mad about feminism “forcing women to be more than housewives” are just mad that feminism encourages women to have a choice in their future I have a dream of working a career and maybe getting my tubes tied and adopting with my boyfriend one day. (Preferably 33, I’m 24 now, and i should finish my program in school at around 28) once we save and get a place of our own, then we can consider it. My boyfriend could be a stay at home dad. It’s astonishing that my choices probably would anger someone, despite it not affecting them

I love the “Feminism FORCES women to do X” argument because it always comes from people who will imply that in more conservative social arrangements women aren’t “forced” to do anything, which is hilarious.

I'd go even further and say that feminism wants people who stay home to be paid a living wage as much as whoever goes to work. The trad movement romanticizes domesticity while simultaneously glossing over the real implications of being a homemaker

"Feminism gives her the option whether or not she wants to be a housewife." Yes, but feminism also tells her that she's wasting her life if she becomes a housewife, that she's betraying feminism, that's she's betraying all women, that she'll inevitably regret it because only misogynists would want a housewife, that she'll end up either abused, discarded or widowed with nothing and no means to support herself, etc. Feminism tells women "You can have a career or be a homemaker (and you damn well better choose a career!)."

I get what you're trying to say, but in a lot of these cases, the tradwife only thinks that way because of a religious narrative that's indoctrinated her, or due to the outside pressures of family. Please don't blame abuse victims for their own suffering, because a lot of them have been brainwashed.

@@Emperor-Quill Very true. But unfortunately some of them simply wish to use misogyny and patriarchy to their advantage by keeping other women beneath them. Trad Life is a ticket to power over others in their eyes. Hope you thrive on your journey.

​@@mistermoo7602they think it'll be different for them, they thought that the other abused women weren't trying hard enough to be a good wife and that they're the exception. More often than not you're never the exception.

Did i just read some good old 💫victim blaming💫

@@moufettepokla5877 No, they're not victims of anything. These women are openly trying to brainwash other women into thinking that being submissive to a man is the only way to have value as a woman. Their narrative is "go get abused by your husband and do it as young as you can". They get no sympathy from me. They know full well what a traditional marriage means for a woman, it's just their mysoginy and their huge egoes that didn't let them see it would backfire on them.

This.. and I really feel like the people who espouse these 'values' the most are the most miserable. They have that sunk cost outlook and feel like they're too deep into it to go back and change or admit they were wrong.. so they double down and try to convince everyone else (and themselves) that they got it right and we should be living the same way. It's just an elaborate way to delude themselves even further and it would be sad if it weren't so fucking dangerous.

Conservatives weighing their choices like, hmm do I stay wealthy and suicidal? Or give up the spotlight and be happy for once? 🤷‍♀️

Gave me a heart attack when you said "on both sides".

@@JasonAtlas I see how that could be before finishing the sentence. :D

@@jaimesfolly yeah there are so many things we should have been taught in school. People should be taught obvious warning signs in relationships.

And all of that has to be weighed against the reality that if you wait until you aren't in a vulnerable position, then you may very well find yourself unable to ever be a wife or mother. You can't live in fear of what could happen. Sometimes you have to take risks to get what you want. You probably shouldn't take risks like Lauren Southern did, running off to a foreign country with a man you barely know, and leaving yourself way, way out on a limb. But that's not actually what traditionalists are suggesting you do. You're supposed to marry someone who is known to you and your family, whose family is known to you, and then you're supposed to build a life near those people so they can support you.

Probably a mix of them all.

Well if you go up to a porcupine and have it tickle your testicles then that might give you reason for you to only worry about yourself 😊 💘

You should feel compassionate for them, and hope that they themselves find the strength to become a self actualized person and break out of this cycle.

I feel a bit sad for her but my sympathy has limits.

EXACTLY ☝🏾✨

"I love you" "what are you even doing right now?" "That's not the cat whining, that's the dog". We've all been there

@@kyleepratt i felt like the kitty was trying to make the dog a bit jealous heh.

It wasn't something they thought was happening, it was something they were aspiring too. The post-war boom saw a massive rise in working men's wages and suddenly it became possible for working class men to do what upper class men have done since the days of the Pharaohs: Liberate the woman he loves from the drudgery of work. Because prior to the 1950s, working class women -- i.e. most women -- worked. They worked because, as now, it is difficult to maintain a household on one income. So women often had to work, and it sucked, and it made men feel shameful that they couldn't give their wives what rich men give their wives: luxury. With the post-war boom and the rising power of men's labor, that was changing. Men were earning more money, the cost of housing and especially appliances were falling, and the dream of being able to support his wife and family, to give them a nice home and a life of simple luxury, was just within most men's reach. Thank god feminism came along. The capitalists were getting really worried there for a second, but flooding the labor market with women? Genius move. Absolute crushed working wages, has kept them flat for decades, and now it's child's play to get young working class women to rage against the very idea that they might actually be liberated if they could devote the majority of their lives to pursuing their own interests, free from the constraints of the capitalist rat race. No, no, much better that they give up that dream of rescuing animals, or having a garden, or just sitting by a window reading all the great works of literature. So much more liberating to be the head of marketing for the northeastern division of Dundler Mifflin.

Same here.

Well yes. Absolutely. And the same for the child, for that matter. One wishes Southern learned better from it though.

the left: we want women to be able to choose how they live their lives the right: we want women to not be able to choose this lady: these two arguments are completely the same!

Yep. The whole thing is a vile feedback loop

@@user-vk7rs5oj2nalt-right online groups. Also same. A big part of me leaving was realizing that folks like Lauren were saying awful and dangerous things, even worse than the ideas I’d been raised with, and those alarm bells ended up sending me out of the pipeline. So hearing folks say Lauren was “borderline” racist rubs me the wrong way, she was SUPER racist and misogynistic, and giving her a pass on that just because she became a victim seems too forgetful and short sided.

@@awkwardukulele6077 oh, no... not online. I knew Faith Goldy personally, and she was quite close to Lauren.

she's still posting about 'the great replacement' and other far-right conspiracies as recently as last week. honestly though - the fact that she had to live through tradwife abuse before realizing 'jeez this is completely untrue and actively harmful' and yet has not questioned any of the other principles taught by the same people who claim 'tradwife life perfect, actually' really doesn't reflect well on her critical thinking skills. feels like she's trying to futilely retain what little right-wing audience she has remaining, while appealing for left-wing sympathy simultaneously, and you can't have both.

@saiyamoru to be fair, I also fell into it, had a "tradwife" partner and all... I've come out as trans since and have a much healthier relationship with her now.... but when you're raised in this sh-t it's hard to get out of it when it's so normalized

@@katyasabourin7906 This isn't a perfect analogy, but I feel like people like Lauren come from a background where they were 'politically groomed' from an early age. I have sympathy as someone who was also raised in an intensely conservative environment, but not much faith that she'll change further. Escaping the herd mentality bias takes real active effort, which is why it's kind of troubling that Lauren was only able to re-evaluate her beliefs once she had to confront the unavoidable truth that she was in a relationship with an outright abuser. If she had married someone whose abuse took a more subtle form - or if HE hadn't been the one to finally terminate the marriage - she might never have reached that conclusion. That alone makes me think, 'she's never going to abandon conspiracies like The Great Replacement or fake news because there is no way to explicitly prove to her, through her own experience, that it's nonsense'.

“Taking away women’s rights is the same as police reform.” Like hell it is, Very Obvious Gender Critical Author.

Yup :/ it's an important albeit grim reminder that liberals are fundamentally still capitalists (just "nice^tm") and fascism is functionally the immune system of capitalism. Thus they Have to side with the fashos or risk upending their comfortable worldview

There may be more assurance that things will remain more or less the same for them too. Centrist liberalism can be mostly a matter of contentment with current circumstances for the person holding that worldview. Fascists would change things _for other people_ and leave them mostly the same for that comfortable liberal; leftists would change things for everyone and if things are just fine for YOU right now, that's scarier.

@@jeffengel2607 this is precisely correct, imo. If you haven't read it yet I recommend MLK JR. Letter from Birmingham Jail. The whole thing is a banger but one section jumps to mind as relevant here: "I MUST make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection In your statement you asserted that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But can this assertion be logically made? Isn't this like condemning the robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical delvings precipitated the misguided popular mind to make him drink the hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because His unique God-consciousness and never-ceasing devotion to His will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see, as federal courts have consistently affirmed, that it is immoral to urge an individual to withdraw his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest precipitates violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber."

Very much so. But I still don’t think anyone deserves this kind of abuse.

@@deaddomain No, neither do I. I didn’t say I wasn’t trying to feel sorry for her, but I know how I came off there. I have compassion for her as I do all people, she strikes me as a deeply confused person who somehow is able to communicate her confused determinations with a good deal of clarity. Anyway, absolutely nothing justifies abuse - not even abuse itself … but certain things can make it more likely. And I am kind of mad that she can go through that and still not be willing to speak up for feminism. Does she still think “feminism = women good men bad”? Feminism is, was and remains the answer to most of the problems she has claimed to have had with the wider world. Anyway I’ll stop now. Great video obv.

I don’t trust her either 😅

One of the most important things to keep in mind about conservatives is that one of their bedrock beliefs is that hierarchies are natural, good, and favor them (convenient!) You can’t reason with someone who thinks they are fundamentally better than you.

I lost my mind when she said "the right has a overly simplified view of gender..... JUST LIKE THE LEFT" like....even the sterotypes for the left mock how complex it is, how on earth is it simplified 💀💀💀

I’ll let her know 🫡

lauren is a conservative influencer. It's in her best interest not to understand that she is essentially pushing feminist ideas now

Lmaooo unfortunately actually how some people think

The “tradwife” version is as specifically invented by white-nationalists, hence the obsession with Jim Crow America

Awh thank you for watching ❤️

🫡🫡🫡

Also very true

Awh thanks :3

I’m a corpse ☠️

Hard to believe it's been 8 years.

Left wing extrimista are 14 yo on twitter who don't fully get everything yet, small communities that most of the left doesn't even associate with or a specific induvidual with other mental issues. Right wing extrimists are running for office, holding press conferences, rich and influential and/or are alredy in Congress.... If trumps project 2025 does go through, it will at least be funny to see all the conservatives try to desperately find who to blame for their new situation

Yeah it felt pretty forced

From their point of view, that probably *IS* the nuance. "I could just talk about how this subset of the right failed Southern, but it's actually a broader issue", that sort of thing.

It’s a right wing publication, their readership would go full attack mode if they read a criticism of the Right that want couched in how bad the Left is.

​@@AnthropomorphicThat doesn't make sense when the WORST the left has ever gotten on this issue, is that if you want to be in a hetero marriage with traditional gender roles, AND you don't want to make your own income, then what is really going on is that you have been brainwashed and tricked by the patriarchy to want those things so we must save you from your dissent from "bossbabe" status. And the way this article was written, it doesn't seem to say this is the sentiment that's wrong with the "radical left's" view. It just says it is bad because of the logical fallacy argument of moderation. And then she uses the term "gender ideology" in a way, that I had a hard time figuring out what she meant by it within the context clues.

Southern would likely have made a bigger impact and maybe made a more positive change if she talked candidly. You don't have to change your entire worldview to talk about how sucky it was that you entered a relationship and thought it was what you wanted at the time only for it gradually devolve into a horrific nightmare. "Don't get tricked into signing your personhood away" doesn't need to come with the caveat "but lefties are also stinky". Then again, once a grifter, always a grifter. Maybe one day they'll pick you, Lauren.

Thank you. That was my exact thought as well.

* is actually *far* right.

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb not lauren southern, but the one who wrote the article

@@shoulderBirb I strongly suspect that it still applies.

​@@shoulderBirb The author *did* suggest that someone who has literally been banned from multiple countries is only being smeared as a white supremacist by "rAdiCaL LeFTiStS", and that people should stop calling her that because "she totally swears she isn't one, guys!"

The only person I know who lived in a commune wasn’t even super left wing haha, he just liked it there

People of my generation might as well be living in communes, for all the 40something friends I have who live on the coasts and STILL have roommates because it's murder to pay rent or a mortgage out there. I decided to split the difference and marry my roommate, and have submissively borne him two cats.

_whats a commune ?_

@@moufettepokla5877 A group of people living together and sharing everything. Commune as in communal. Most often, the stereotype is a bunch of hippies in tents and drum circles.

@@jacobpedersen8661 aaaaaah okay, thank you ! Never heard of this before and in my language it refers to a small town part of a bigger town (kinda) so I was very confused 😅

The cushy and privileged lives they lived in really rotted their brains, that's about it. It feels like they have little to no sense of self-preservation

Maybe you just haven't earned access to it yet 😼

Sleep wherever, make loud noises until you get what you want and attack anyone who touches you without asking is pretty solid cat wisdom.

@@Ash__Adler it's a guarded secret

That explains why cis het men are so unhappy tbh

"ur life will be perfect with me hubby" Several months later "MY LIFE ISN'T PERFECT, U PROMISED THIS TO ME, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT" And that's how trad wife's want to make a feminist movement again, just not call it feminist

Awh!

Thank you so much for the support 😭

Also, the absolute misalignment of her "but both sides!!!!" takes is exhausting.

Next ull be telling me that ppl against immigration are racist and or nationalist, wild stuff

Thank you so much!

I also hate sounding victim blaming because I genuinely feel bad for Lauren Southern and other women that were raised in that kind of culture. But yeah, rich white, cis straight ambitious celebrity, “high status” abled body men benefit the most from Patriarchy, like the kind of guys that have that obsession with the “alpha male harem, charming, ceo/prince” are the ones that the entire systems benefit the most and protect. Like it’s not shocking at all that Elon Musk and men similar to him are pieces of shits.

🙏🙏🙏 thank you for watching. I literally couldn’t do it if I didn’t have people supporting my work lol.

word.