+Iorveth You really don't need the that ring at all >

I didn't even know it existed until several playthroughs. The most essential items in DkS is your balls. So it's not surprising Jirard had so much to say.

+cyc2140 the swampy areas are only a tiny bit more difficult without the ring and most people do just fine without it, also if you pay attention to the game most people will hear the crest fallen warrior tell them about someone being picked up by the crow; this is how you find it

+cyc2140 You are so, so, so, damn wrong.

I have ring of favor and protection and one to boost spell damage, int of 75 strength of 65 dex of 65 and health of 70 gg, I beat the game 3 times without dying to lvl up once

very true

I don't even think Dark souls 2 is even bad compared to other games From Software has worked on but it is somewhat lackluster and it may be the fact that Hidetaka didn't actually direct this one but considering he's back and working on Dark Souls 3 I have high hopes for it.

i like your arguments and agree with you. but i believe that his argument is scripted so that it sounds more like the common gamer to make some viable opinions from their point of view. from the common gamers view this would look like an unfair game, with not much of a storyline because most games nowadays spoon feed you just about everything

+Velexia Ombra I made a list for you: Illussionary walls, some of them are visible but others are undetectable Grab attacks, no where does the game tell you how to escape them Mimics...I do not need to explain why All NPC quest lines, they teleport away and you have no idea where they go Platforming elements in a game where you have no dedicated jump button Bed of Chaos floor collapsing at completely random places Stray and Firesage demon bullshit explosive instakilling attacks Parrying works differently for you than it does for enemies, they go into a parry stance which you'll need to feel the effects off at least once before you realize to either kick or not attack them whilst they are in that stance Lautrec cutting off the main interconnecting bonfire with no warning early game...cheers! All enemy projectiles are homing, even arrows and bolts Enemies in tight corridors can cut through walls and hit you while you're restricted to rapiers and spears unless you want your weapon to bounce off I can go on...How would you be able to know and defend yourself from any of these in your first playthrough? The fact that a lot of these you HAVE to look it up online shows that it is unfair, sloppy game design.

Yoriko Arran lol its unfair in design to make you learn from your mistakes. Illusory walls are supposed to be hidden for a purpose, and in no way is there a rulebook for game design saying that they need to let you know where it is (besides that defeats the purpose of exploring). As for npc quest lines your supposed to pay attention to dialogue to understand where they're going so thats on you for not listening if you got lost because i had no problem. The mimics are apart of the rogue like aspect of this game, which is to way your actions heavily and never get too careless or it vosts you dearly. As for parrying, you must not be good at it, because i notice no difference between me and enemies in that regard. Lautrec cutting off the main bonfire isnt a big deal considering its part of his questline, at the end of which the bonfire goes back to normal. And your weapons can go through walls too so i dont know why you're complaining considering you can exploit it. Your supposed to learn through trial and error, and don't need to look up anything at all, you just missed the entire point of the game and mistook it for your average hack n slash. Its unfair, but in the old school game factor that it will take many tries. The fact the complete edition say in the title "prepare to die" makes that clear before you popped it in your console or pc. In the end it comes down to you misunderstanding your purchase

There's a bonfire in Sen's?

@@curbyour____9506 yep

Wait... there's two? I didn't even get the first one my first playthrough.

Yea it’s right beside my baby boy andre

The iron golem is really easy though.

P rai Se de SuuS

all of the "Dark Sucks" points are garbage, and you can tell he spent zero time researching. Rusted iron ring is NOT a mandatory item, and the starting gift doesn't really matter and doesn't not affect gameplay much (unless you choose master key), humanity is easy to get and even without using it game is not too difficult. As for you leveling intelligence.. You can see how each stat impacts your AR so thats on you. "block, block , block..." Yeah I bet you hid behind your shield constantly f*cking casul. Wonder how far you got...

PixelGamer yeah they just can’t get gud

I know he messed my name(;_;)

Gives me conniptions...

+NorthSeaHero it's not essential at all. You just roll through it.

+NorthSeaHero Have you seen any speed runs? Takes them about 10 seconds to get through the swamp.

+NorthSeaHero and if it's "essential" then how come so many people have beaten the game without knowing it existed?

+NorthSeaHero I didn't know it existed and I beat the game twice. Once in NG+

lmfao

The Game Theorists Sounds a lot more like life than anything.

Mmmm...poor explanation?...i dont think so...humanity is easy to understand and to use

Uhhhh, I played through dark souls without the internet, and ds 2. Dark souls isn't that bad. I'm not saying its easy but it's not as bad as everyone puts it out to be

These people guff but I always thought the same about demon's souls, it was like suddenly being dropped into a game you were unfamiliar with.

The Game Theorists Only filthy casuals thinks the game is broken and sucks.

Wtf u mental? rusted iron Ring is op AF it's meta

Mmmmmm that sounds like some THICC poise

FaP ring and Havels ring is the combo

And clorenthia ring

Shadow Fox darkwood grain ring!!

Well most of the bosses in this one aren’t that good for the most part and the whole interconnected thing is thrown away half way through the game, especially with the Lordvessel

Fair enough, but to not mention them at all is just silly. My main argument is that this video is based on bullshit semantics instead of the actual flaws like shitboxs and the tomb of the giants. And they also don't talk about the other things that actually make the game good. I normally love MatPat and his videos but when he is just wrong I can't sit by and watch.

@@therogueusername7171 I'm surprised they didnt even mention lost izhalith or the bed of chaos

Dude, the CLAYMORE is harder to find than the Rusted Ring... and the Claymore is easily obtainable. I didn't even use a GUIDE on how to get the Rusted Iron ring. I just saw a ledge was traversable and went on from there until i stumbled on the ring.

Level design is about the only thing people praise, which is especially funny considering most people are scrubby and just skip through it all with the cheat key anyways 🤪

its basically useless to me.......hornet ring is best

hornet ring is just for cheap pvp kills

Most of the time when I'm at blighttown it's for a new char and I speed run getting cem items go to blight for the 3 souls large titanite and green titanite shards, killing the hoc invader in there, and that's pretty much it's

It's literally only helpful when farming in Blighttown or when killing the hydra.

Obviously these guys have no clue how to be good at the game. They just decided to make a negative bitching video for youtube profits, it's not like they actually understand the game :)

Yes, he's that desperate to find an argument to why Dark Souls would suck.

If we're talking about rings THE most important item in the game is the Covenant of Artorias, which allows you to walk in an area where you have to kill the boss.

Will mckee I thought he was talking about estus which would make sense, I guess.

he definitely made few arguments. I could have argued more: Repetition of asylum demon multiple times with same move set: Asylum Guardian Stray Demon Fire Sage The lack of direction to where you are supposed to go next.Yes you know you are supposed to find the bells after talking, but you don't know how to get there or where it is. The lack of clues as to what each stat does, or what constitutes good build.

1. O.K. The re-skin is a definite down for Dark Souls. 2. If you don't know where to go, the go explore, now realize, that if you go to the graveyard the skeletons are incredibly difficult to handle so maybe you shouldn't go there yet, if you go down, you can't hit the ghosts, so maybe you should avoid the area, it didn't take me long to find where I needed to go, Dark Souls doesn't hold your hand it expects you to be smart and play smart. 3. It's called pressing the select and X button, see that it tells you that select means explanation, so press it and you will find out what each of them do and for the Weapon stats you just press X and you find out what the stats are and what scales with what. The reason why I love Dark Souls is it's like the real world, they tell where to go but they don't tell you how to get there so you have to go on an ADVENTURE and QUEST! It's like the medieval times, you don't have a compass that points in the direction you need to go. It will NOT hold your hand and expects you to learn how to walk on your own. THAT is what makes this game great it doesn't tell you everything. Also, if you need help on something there is a HUGE community of players that are more than willing to help, like MatPat said, "There are dozens of tutorials to help you online". I'll be frank it took me over 100+ hours to beat the game my first time WITHOUT look at strategy guides and the thrill and accomplishment you get when you defeat an incredibly hard area or boss is just gratifying.

Right? I’ve used it once in my 10 playthroughs lol

Ngl I found it because I was going back to fight the black knight and never touched it after that

It's situational like the rings that give resistance to poison,curse,bleed I mean it makes it so you can run in water and mud but not too many areas have that

@@calvinmcneil9824 There are only like 3 area I can think off Hydra in Darkroot basin, Tar pit in Sen's fortress and Blighttown

Rusted iron ring is mostly useful for blightown and any other poison swamp

The first time I beat it, I never looked online for help and therefore never actually got the ring. Certainly a helpful item, but not actually necessary.

Exactly

he should’ve talked about the ring that Sif drops I forget what it’s called

@@ClovesnSpice covenant of artorias

Let’s just all agree the rusted iron ring is useless and easy to get

not a typo a translation error

+colin wells either way it was pointless to base so much of his argument around a small error

true

+BigtownRooster Lmao yeah finished all the games multiple times and had to Google what even is the Rusted Iron Ring when Jirard brought it up.

and they neglected to state that the game is originally japanese, where at least in the second game, there were 3 different translator companies working on it, leading to lots of stuff lost in translation

All I' really do you in blight is at the start of speed runs I get the 3 large souls and 10 green shards if I need to. The only thing you need to do to get to the boss is walk through the swamp

MrL1 Aside from all of that, most enemies are completely circumventable and poison damages you so slowly that it's not really worth using moss to cure it. Might as well take the damage and pop an Estus when you're starting to get somewhat low on HP.

DaSwagDemon But duping is discouraged if you want to beat the game legitimately. (even if you only do it in a way to cut down on time spent farming rats for humanity)

aresdotexe exactly or he could not just suck and he could get good

aresdotexe casuals

Suprised he didn't bring up the calamity ring. Man I have no idea how I would've beaten DS1 without it.

Damn that's some real destruction😂

And also the covenant of Artorias, which you literally need to beat the game, no exceptions unless you do the kiln skip for normies and even then, that’s still DLC that you need to buy

200 from the Gold Serpent ring? Damn I didn’t know it was that much. Thanks for the info.

Confused Happiness

Yup

I found it... just never got it

And I managed to find it on my first play through

Haha the first sword tail i get in the game It is not hard at all

The drake sword is just boring to get

It's okay Jirard has the brainpower of a gnat so it's doubtful he even saw the NPC to begin with

Does he really? I've beaten the game like eight times and never heard him say that.

pureblackeagle He says he saw someone go up to the Crow's nest and curl up into a ball then get taken away. Like many things in Dark Souls, it requires the listener to actually pay attention a little bit, so people think it's impossibly hard to decipher.

He was amused that the small ring that he took at the beginning didn't do the effect that was on the description so he didn't believe anything later.

And we can not forget about frampt the guy that tells you how to beat the game that's direction right there

joshua kim Thought the same. You don't really need it but can make some parts easier.

SuperAffenbrot Ironically, the points taken off due to the "item requirement" argument is 100% bullshit. The only items required are either literally given (most keys and the Lordvessel), or told outright where to search for them (Ingward tells of Artorias, whose location is told blatantly by the Crest of Artorias sold/dropped by the first blacksmith in the game that's impossible to miss)

joshua kim Apparently Blight Town was easy for you where it obliterated me.

tranceotaku I just trudged through and stuck to the right border. Literally only have to fight 2 things (allows to avoid all of those ogre guys).

joshua kim yeah. no problem at all.

At least there was a good boss at the end of Lost Izalith

@@loudopinions9097 youre joking rigth

@@loudopinions9097 Explain

@@mrtuxedo1467 i think he means different

@@mrtuxedo1467 I'm 99 percent certain he's kidding.

I say the comparison to Ocarina of Time's combat is pretty accurate!

Eatsoup3 nah. They have very different combat. People who hide behind shields aren’t really experiencing the game fully in my opinion

@@Eatsoup3 Not at all. In OOT you literally had to wait on everything to happen to attack. It was pretty much mindless. In Ds you have to learn which moves are safe to attack on and which ones you should take your chances on. Ocarina of time was wait for guy to become blue then hit it was completely obvious to anyone when you're suplosed to strike.

i'm going to say it, its hilarious that you can't spell hilarious. i'm sry, it had to be done. also, i can't tell if you are defending dark souls or not.

@@teach9731 I'm going to say it, it's hilarious you misplaced 'it's' with 'its'. (I'm actually really sorry but I think you should've saw it coming.) By the way, I believe he is defending Dark Souls, this video was honestly pretty garbage and Bruno is spitting facts.

+TehPartyPants He should play DS2, where theres legitimate unfair difficulty.

+TehPartyPants oh god. Pre-nerf ancient dragon. Now THAT was some bullshit for anyone that wasn't a sorcerer or cleric

Artorias Jim Im mainly talking about the multiple parts of the game where you have to fight 85 enemies at once, when the actual combat system is oriented toward 1 on 1 fights.

+TehPartyPants game aint easy when you're fatrolling

Its actually pretty easy to just throw on something like Havels armor and tank your way through the game, not really that fun though.

Me neither. Even tho I have to say, I ALWAYS collect it, in every playthrough.

DaveControl well fancy seeing you here

Hey its Dave! And I agree, I didn't even know what the rusted iron ring did until my second playthrough. It made parts of the game a lot easier, but I made do the first time around.

DaveControl I love the Halberd twohanded running R1 when slowed by water and no rusty ring.. The way it basically has no windup. Assuming they didn't patch that, been a while since I played.

DaveControl Haha me too I played dark souls during a period where my internet was gone it was glorious

He is right tho

That typo does not exist. I looked it up because I felt like I would have remembered that. ( I have a penchant for going for hp regen items.) This is the actual item description. "Ring made of an ancient tiny red jewel. Grants small increase to HP. Rings grant powers large and small. Their discovery, and effective use, can make one's journey easier"

@@ethanhinkle683 are you reading that in game or on the character creation menu? Also are you looking at it on the remastered version or the original version? In the original version's character creation, it does have the typo, but the moment you get into the game, the description fixes itself. In the remastered version it's always right.

@@JerryMcB3rry I have the remastered version. If that is the case, then I stand corrected, and thank you for pointing out my mistake.

+vidsman625 What was even *up* with the iron ring statement? I didn't even know it existed until my 3rd or 4th playthrough - when I started getting all explorative and completionist. ;p The pryo statement was weird, as well. The bearded guy's side of the argument felt super duper lazy.

Mystery Yoghurt exactly it was pure laziness on his part that lead to his frustrating experience so of course his reasoning is also lazy

+vidsman625Have you seen any of his videos? Because if you did, you'd know that half of what you said holds no water whatsoever, especially that last paragraph. Let alone the cherry picking of things that were said in the video with no context. That hurts your credibility a lot too And while he attacked the game, he was coherent and relatively objective for the most part, whereas you are resorting exclusively to personal attacks which makes you come across as butthurt, not him. Seriously, all your comment says is "Somebody hurt my precious! He's a fat, dumb, meanie mcmeanie and I don't like him!". If you're gonna be smug, at least pose a legitimate argument instead of nothing but insults and unfounded conjecture

That guy with the face Not once did I rely solely on personal attacks in anything I said. I refuted his claims and occasionally questioned his credibility since I'm still pretty sure he hasn't completed it yet. I've played the game quite a bit so I'm aware of its flaws, but I can tell when someone just attacks the game without any solid reasoning. If you think my comment was just conjecture then I recommend reading it again, then reading yours, and finally quoting where I clearly just call him fat and stupid since I'm so butthurt.Also please tell me why what I said holds no water if you're convinced I'm so wrong. If you're a fan of his or a hater of dark souls that's fine, but don't just claim someone you don't agree with is spouting unfounded insults while you do the same. It makes you come off as butthurt, not me.

vidsman625 So just because I disagree with you I'm a fanboy and a hater? And you have the gall to say you don't use conjecture, whilst doing so in that very same comment...nice Here's the thing, you assuming that he hasn't finished the game is preposterous. He never reviews any games that he hasn't finished regardless of difficulty, hence Matpat's remark about him being "trapped in the game". Moreover, when you said that he was crying for a game that would hold his hand and implied that his playing style involves no more than button mashing was also nothing but poorly constructed bait. See, another staple of his show is the absolute completion of video games, regardless of how difficult and tedious it is, and that includes Dark Souls. No one as inane as what you suggested could possibly make that claim. And finally, you clearly haven't seen any of his videos, thus you know nothing of his skills as a gamer or his tenacity in the same regard, yet you still assume that his complaints are rooted exclusively in his own short comings as opposed to acknowledging his very legitimate points in reference to the video game's design, such as it being obtuse and deliberately uncooperative. Such as the talisman for example. And as a little bonus, the following lines are both clearly strawmen that you set up in order to feed your own ego and further demean your target. "-I can honestly think of 1 enemy that makes you wait for some time before you can do anything but otherwise they are constantly come after you making all that waiting time actually time spent dodging and finding time for an opening rather than just swinging your weapon around randomly like a dumbass" "-the death by the giant is something ill actually call bs on seeing as the tracking on the bombs it throws is so bad that a bomb will land where you were standing like 10 seconds ago, plus if you look up you can see the giant pretty easily and find its blind spot" On the latter for example you ignored the context and created your own, as in the debate the point of bringing that up was that he was killed by an out of sight enemy while the camera focused on another, not that he couldn't predict the trajectory of the projectiles. This is a very shameless tactic that simply hurts your own credibility, as does passing on the burden of proof as well as personally assaulting someone, both of which you seem to specialize at. Any questions?

Also there is a shortcut to the beggining of sen fortress right at the boss door.

BeaverGodz wait that bonfire is supposed to be a secret?

I don't think so, if you follow the path through the explosives it kind of drops you off right at the balcony. At the very worst, it's another of the "hidden" bonfires like the ones that exist behind fake walls. Not "secret" like Painted World (or, really, the DLC)

Ajaarg el Ajaarg that sounds right

theres the "secret" bonfire next to Sif

Sif is always a little creature of fluff in the eyes of the feels once he starts limping... I still cry about it sometimes...

Kakyoin did you lay this egg, also rusted iron ring clearly needs nerf lol

@@literalcancer8810 it’s been so long since I’ve heard that, that really put a smile on my face

+Tsakane Maluleke You get a like for a beautiful dark souls referential insult.

+Tsakane Maluleke Still wish they would change the description so that it was at least vaguely accurate. If they did I would have choose the master key rather than that piece of garbage ring.

You're my new hero

+101Crock At least it's noticeable early enough in the game that making a new character isn't much of a hassle. I agree it's complete horseshit, but silver linings you know

Drvo Foka ^lol

there are no quest releted to humanity. you can finnish whole game as hollow.

That is good to know.

why would you ever use it in the dark root basin? the dead knight is the perfect safe zone just site down, hold up another shield for extra protection

LeadFaun I don't know why, you can easily beat the game without summons

Ethan Schmidt you think about video games WAY to much

Bahahahaha1 Like enemies hitting you through walls and lag from the fire breath in first game? I hate that a ton

But enemies can swing wildly in narrow alleyways while your weapon bounces back

Never had any problems with hitting the wall. You can aim your swing to go through the wall if you don't hit it directly

Elaborate? They were mainly talking about its design philosophy and whether or not it lead to the game being cheap and broken, or thematic. I think they covered what they needed, but if you don't think so, can you explain?

Do keep in mind that this series is called 'Deadlock.' They deliberately leave out important points/exaggerate unimportant things for the sake of making the argument appear to be equal, when in fact it isn't.

Richard Now, why should I "kalm myself"?

Daniel Herrera isnt that a town in some videogame? Oh yeah...ff7

+Richard don't dodge the question wuss.

+Richard I like you.

Temporary_Friend i like me too

What was wrong with Mat's arguments?

Ah yes iron ring

No they made sense, you just don't understand it.

@@ssjdarkdrakus5291 No they didn't make sense or they were just lame arguments.

Gannon Hunt you’ve never played the game have you?

+3DS Master Race Yeah, I know. Rusted iron ring? Ffs, not nessecary at all.

+Matthijs de Jong It's not the Lord Vessel or the Charred ring

+Somecooltoad Or the Covenant of Artorias

+Somecooltoad Charred ring isn't necessary in the slightest. Just use the shortcut.

+Matthijs de Jong I know I found that on my own

TheShonenJumper he played it to 100% about 5 times of course he wouldnt like it

TheShonenJumper

Thundahgolem No I wouldn't, but that doesnt really negate my argument tbh.

OR maybe he did and ACTUALLY MADE EXTREMELY VALID POINTS IN HIS ARGUMENT. And by the way, in case you forgot, he doesn't necessarily agree with that view point! The argument sides for both Mat and Jirard were chosen randomly.

TheShonenJumper I think he actually does like it, he's just taking the negative side of the debate so that pat can defend it.

that’s a good point i also forget that dark souls is originally in japanese

I used it for a couple minutes so I can get to Quelaag because I was impatient, and a little bit for the Hydra to unlock the DLC. But apparently its the “most important item in the game”.

I finished the game and all dlc but I don't even remember that ring

I used it my first playthrough because someone told me how to get back to the asylum and I just thought "alright yeah I'll use it." After watching this video, i tried playing without it and sure getting to Quelaag and fighting the Hydra were a little tedious without it on, but it didn't make the game much more difficult. I like Jirard, and he might not even think this anymore, but ever thinking that the ring is needed for huge chunks of the game baffles me. Literally the only places it benefits you is blighttown swamp, gaping dragon boss fight (I think, but if not, you still didn't need it anyways), darkroot basin, and ash lake. Half of those things are optional side things anyway lol.

+Alino you do realize the ring you're talking about is the orange charred ring right? not the rusted iron ring.

+Ayyelmao well actually, using the iron rusted ring with the quelana set and the ring of fire resistance can help you to walk for some time on lava

No, definitely not. The only place where I can see someone really needing that is when fighting the Hydra, but that fight is a breeze even without it.

i didn't even know that thing existed, let alone what it does until i saw some guy using it in a video i watched after my second playthrough. and all i thought was, uhm, yeah i can use that when i run across the poison swamp in blighttown but... yeah that's about it.

I've beat the game multiple times by myself without the rusted ring

Adversus Elitus I can go though blight town without getting poisoned, sure its useful for the titanite demons in sens fortress but that's about it (not to mention the goo area is just a side area).

I never used it and I was fine too

I also ever got it and only learned about it the second time though

You don't even need to go trough blight town 😒

Yeah but its simpler if you do because i heard about it and i wanted to see what it was about so yeah even if you could skip it people would go there anyway for the loot and area in general

LilPandah Because there isn't any lore.

AnubusStar you're joking right

AnubusStar Hahahahahaha.... what

AnubusStar Pretty sure there is

AnubusStar shots fired!

+kalloused Well, it really depends on what they assume are "challenging", i mean, in general gaming sense, it is *somewhat* challenging, since it's pretty fast-paced, but at the same time it's literary just point and click FPS, that happens to be accessible enough so that casual gamers could get into the game and enjoy it. But, let's face it, MP in Battlefield 3 is far too much for those guys :P Am i rite?

+I'ma Rob'Oat Why not go a bit further and say Arma would be their death! :D

Devin Hansen Yeah and not to mention you judge a game with a franchise that has nothing to do with it in terms of everything and especially genre! :D #kappa

Tuomas Sallinen That's why you ascend to the master race :D i got steady 40 FPS with my rig, and ~26 on Blightown, but hey it's playable and fact is, i'm playing the game on native 1080p and not just the UI the internal rendering resolution is also 1080p (DSFix FTW), couple that with SweetFX, then it's one hell of a PC tittle, minus the optimization.

+I'ma Rob'Oat yes i agree that framerate isnt that bad but it kind of feels annoying for me almost all framerate issues i have experienced came for my fight with taurus demon

When I first picked it up I tried going in for a spellcasting build. So I picked the old witch ring went the whole first half of the game not realizing it didn't help sorceries and only got clued in by the dragoncrest ring description

*Squats*

Lol exactly what I was thinking. The dude arguing against Matt patt is just whining like a little bitch that he got raped multiple times and he can't beat the game

Look at the 2 badasses here

Andrew Penman Just pointing out that these arguments were shit, actually.

Chris The Wolf Can you put up a rebuttal argument? I'm interested in your perspective.

Brandon Vidal remember that in order there to be deadlock there must be two players. Just saying.

he's talking about completion he is the completionist after all

He's not talking about completion... he literally said that the rusted iron ring is the 'most essential item in the game'. He says it's 'necessary for HUGE chunks of the game' and he's completely wrong.

After he brings up the iron ring he starts to talk about the life ring, and then doesn't shut up about it. This is how debates work 10/10

played the game for the first time without any help from the internet, didn't even know that there was a ring that could do that. i guess it would've made the fight against the hydra less obnoxious, especially the first time when i didn't know what the hell i was supposed to be doing, but you can beat the game just fine without it

6 full playthroughs including one on ng+ and I’ve never found it or needed it a single time, like, what is he taking about??? “”””””essential”””””

It makes it easier to traverse blight town and fight the hydras. That's about it.

cjsTheCreeperEmpire The bottom of sen’s fortress isn't a “huge portion” of the game. Technically speaking the Hydra isn’t either unless you do the DLC

The depths?

@@preston21354 not the depths. The only area in the depth that has slow water has no enemys excepts an ambush slime

@@synysterbullett4166 I never even went to the bottom of sen's fortress

@@Sckeza it's main purpose is to kill the Titanite Demons for the Demon Titante. Really only needed to upgrade boss weapons.

10/10 for this comment

I r8 8/8 it's gr8 m8 But seriously I was thinking "git gud" the entire video

as a Dark Souls veteran I pick A

It's called a discussion, they are just discussing and questioning the Dark Souls franchise. But way to shut out any sort of criticism, how big of you.

Let's boil that down.If a, you are bad at dark souls.If b,you are very good at dark souls.So...you suck if you can play a game properly?

so you a pro dark souls player i see

Well that's what makes the game fun

+Method-D Easy-X I am no pro, i just enjoy the game.

Deamon Wolf Meh too

+saedt You can also kill him and never worry about him pummeling you in the future; boss fight or exploration.

+malibu Yeah, I havn't played 2 yet but I hear it fell short in it's story as well as some of it's mechanics. Maybe 3 will finally come out with something new.

+malibu However, plot being repeated has no affect on the merits of the original. DS2, on the other hand...

+malibu except it didn't have the same plot....

+malibu sure they all have the same solid skeleton (though I feel this only applies to the dark souls series) but it is a solid framework and the most important parts are so different that I couldn't see myself tiring from it after ten releases. And just to be clear the framework is: track down powerful souls, confront old king/queen, credits, and with 50-80 hours on a first playthrough that leaves a lot of differences

Beard Guy didn't understand Miyazaki is behind him going "please, understand"

You mean play like an absolute scared dork or die. How fun

+Eric McAllister It's a great game, but I agree that there are some huge bullshits here and there. *Cough* Bed Of Chaos.

Eric McAllister it actually does, they are sloppy and slow

minihalkoja "dark souls is the most fair game I've ever played" tfw this comment was written by a bonewheel skeleton

All these people failing to realize that this is a scripted argument...

@@KitsuneYojimbo no it's clearly real

And the Tiny Being's Ring effect is a minor problem with no real consequences. Oh well, people will complain about anything.

though the rusted iron ring is basically irrelevant it is almost necessary when it comes to deal with the hydra and crystla giant to get to the artorias dlc though

Angel of Death Really? I never use it against them unless I'm trying to semi-speedrun

u have to admit the water slowing you down makes killing the hydra more difficult

That depends on your playstyle, but even if it's harder, the ring is far from necessary

+djay T-b To be fair even if the game is great it is unfair at times.Ok i do understand that you can actually dodge almost all attacks if not all, but when you start the game and almost all enemy attacks actually seek you if you dodged too early ,even when the enemy is fucking in the middle of dropping after a jump , you can't actually tell me that it isn't unfair. The game is indeed unfair , quite often actually , but in the end you have to adapt to those rules. I recently bought the game and finished it , and now i am in the middle of a Sl1 run.And even though that i have adapted quite well in the game i can't help raging when an enemy auto corrects his direction to hit me , even if that requires the model to actually rotate more than 90 degrees towards me. I know that i can dodge him but i always fell that i shouldn't have to. It's not normal after all.

Achilleas Kifonidis if your have a chance to dodge or block it is not unfair , unfair would be un-dodgable and un-blockable

+djay T-b Yes cause a newcomer who has a hard time dodging will be really happy that enemies has player seeking skills.Just for one moment when commenting forget that you have 100+hours on your back in this game.No one starts with 100+ hours of experience .And again if you miss if the enemy moves an inch away than it is unfair that enemy attacks seek you.

Achilleas Kifonidis but learning is a part of why is this game beautiful , and don't forget that if you want to play ds you'll have to git gud

+djay T-b Well i know this is the only reason i went for Sl1 on my second playthrough .The hardest the difficulty the faster you adapt but that doesn't mean that it isn't unfair ,it means that it is unfair but after you get slapped and thrown down ( I'm looking at you Bed of Chaos) you are forced to get up and beat the crap out of it. And to be fair this is one of the most addicting game ,if not the most, i have ever played. Many games have caught my attention and made me play for hours each session, but Dark Souls is one of few games that kept me bolted to the chair until i bested that boss or passed that area ( i still haven't succeeded to parry Anor Londo's silver knights arrows ,i always dodge them). In starts unfair frustrating you any way possible but it get's fun and addicting really fast.

pie remember this came out in 2015 remastered came out 2018 not trying to be rude we both hate this video it’s just that this was a cash grab at a game and these people probably didn’t play but about 10% and quit at gargoyles

exactly.

Finished 2 playthrough so without knowing it existed...so yeah not essential to get it at all

+TheCh0wderp You guys must not explore very much.

+Rieiid I explored quite a bit lol...like I fought the stray demon and stuff but I totally forgot about the cell door that led to the ring

+Noah Lanning makes me think he hasnt played at all. i believe he heard about requiring a ring to beat the game which there is, and got it mixed up with the rusted iron ring

*rpg

*****​ Dark Souls > Skyrim

*****​ I don't play PC

The rusted iron ring isn't even needed for any point of the game either, if he was talking about say the Lord Vessel, yes, but even then you are told you find it in Anor Londo by a giant snake with a moustache, and the first blacksmith you (usually) find tells you Anor Londo is through Sen's Fortress. Idiots, man...

I only ever used the rusted iron ring to fight the hydra. That's really it

Hm hm, Wich of izolith "boss" fight. And Capra demon.

name one trap that is unnoticeable

@Hermaeus Mora I guess the floor collapsing to the Stray Demon boss fight in the Asylum... I did not expect that nor do I see any points that signal the floor’s weakness. Another one is in Lost Izalith, down to the poison water filled room. However, those areas are not neccessary for the game to be beaten, so I guess they don’t really matter.

not to mention that with the wording a of how matpat was "calculating" it seams like the iant took it's sweat as time throwing that boulder

10:06-10:20 (sigh) you people might be masochists ya know

Did you even pay attention that it wasnt him fighting?

The giant actually helped me kill the iron golem

And the stairs to the giant are behind the entrace to the boss fight, not even hidden

Truest comment yet

so... you have to play it at least twice rigth?

+Alejandro Garcia I'm on my third run now

Yeah at least i do

dark souls is a gret game and I live what they did with the difficulty

Yeah git gud

The Dionysus says git gud

even then though, a player who had been learning from the game would have explored more before going through the boss fog, looking for a bonfire. This player would have gone up the stairs outside the iron golem's boss fog and found the giant with the boulders, even if they didn't find the bonfire at the top of the fortress, or the shortcut down to the first floor of it.

Gilgamesh EXACTLY

Gilgamesh Have fun walking around in Blightown at a snail's pace.

it's not that big of a deal....

Gilgamesh A guy who invades someone in Blighttown or fights a guy at Darkroot Basin's lake. Otherwise I never found any use for it.

Gilgamesh its mainly used in the hydra battle, which is fully optional and reaps no real rewards if you dont used dragon scales or want to play the dlc, and blight town, which is a small, but painstaking segment of the total game. it truly is a weak argument, similarly the the tiny beings ring and the pyromancy. if you look in the item menu it will LITRERALY tell you that 0 int and 0 fth are needed for the spells. Another augment busted.

sirix087 as a guy who has played through like 6 times now i can honestly say that every single playthrough has been like that

Blocking in DS lul git gud

Martin Hejník if you have never triedblocking in dark souls you must die alot

*parry*

Emmanuel Gapud *deal 1,000,000 damage*

TheZeroSbr Also, only noobs just sit and wait with their shields up. Backstabbing is a thing, and the Shotel can go around shields. Don't sit there and tell me that the combat in Dark Souls sucks, because it doesn't. That said, Gerard has a lot of good points about the BS in Dark Souls. The whole "revisit Undead Asylum" thing is so out of the way and stuffed into a corner that I doubt people found out that you could go back until someone opened up the game and found the coding/assets for the other boss there. The fact that you need to exploit a glitch to get out of certain stunlocks (toggle your weapons at the right time) is BS. The way the invasion system is handled is BS. And there are parts of the landscape geometry that are just poorly done. Darkroot Garden, for example, has several floating trees and small bushes/trees that are clearly unintended. That's just laziness. The geometry itself can screw you over, since certain parts are angular for whatever reason, and it can make you fall or otherwise impede your movement. There's an example of the latter in Darkroot Garden, and there are plenty of examples of the former in Blighttown.

TheZeroSbr I figured it out on my own. There was items I couldn't get to on my first run through. I saw the crow hanging around the ruins and figured I could probably get up to talk to him somehow and he might take me back to the asylum. I also didn't get the ring until after the swamp so in my eyes Gerard's point is totally irrelevant. I do agree that the stats and items could be better explained and have better means of comparison.

theTYTAN3 The crow being there made me think "huh, maybe I can talk to him, or he'll do something for me" at first, but then I gave up after a while since there didn't seem to be a way to get to him. And then when I found out the whole elevator/rolling to the pillar, I facepalmed. Even if you know where to go, the roll to the pillar can't be done if you're playing at 60fps. I shouldn't have to cap myself at 30, even if it can be done in-game. The engine just sucks. It still has a lot of redeeming features, and those keep me playing. I just wish they would retool it, but I know I'll just have to wait for DS3 to come out.

The jump can't be made at 60 fps? why? I'm genuinely confused.

theTYTAN3 Jump is affected by fps. I don't know why, but DS2 has something similar with its durability for a while. Playing at 60 fps would make things break twice as fast.

Because the lore is basically irrelevant to the game. The aesthetic is the setting. There's no lore to meaningfully interact with beyond the gameplay itself.

If the lore is boring then how could it help the game?

The lore itself isn't necessarily boring, that's down to preference. What is boring however, is how it's presented. It's static and has no bearing on your progression, aside from incoherent drivel from the NPCs, there's no way to consume it in a way that's meaningful to you, the protagonist.

@@caolan1083 such is a flawed statement if u look at all the decisions u can make to change the story. I mean look at the dlc. Tell me the understanding of the legacy of artorias does not progress the lore. Anyways this comment is late so nobody is gon reas this. Have a good day:)

@@apples7848 I read it and I don't think it has any bearing on what I've said.

GamerHats Also why is it cheap when you bombardet by the gaint when you are still on your way up to the boss. I mean what is the first thing i would do if somebody bombards me with anything? I would try to fucking stop him!

Midnight Raven Because of people like you. You obviously didn't learn from your experiences and so you were punished. EVERYONE I've known figured out the chest trap. Yes, the first one catches you off guard - just like real life. Before you make that friend that stabs you in a back, does a little fairy pop up and tell you "Hey watch out! He might be dangerous!"? NO! You then LEARN from this experience, which it appears you didn't. You can attack the chest before you use it and know which one is a trap and which one isn't. As for the giant, that's simply being more aware of your surrounding. I don't know which giant you're talking about, but anything over 2 feet tall is loud as hell when they walk, were you playing without sound? And how would you suggest them make it easier? Most of your deaths are off of things you have to learn, if you don't die to them it completely defeats the purpose of the game.

Midnight Raven I agree, everyone has different things that make a game fun to them. I don't really get frustrated playing games so the constant death only made me ache more with wanting to succeed, obviously everyone isn't this way and I understand full heartedly why someone would hate this game haha. I also agree with a few of the tricks, items shouldn't lie, but it was a translation error, they didn't actually mean to lie (in the case of the ring). Also that's dark souls 1, not dark souls 2 ;), but ya, I tried for like 10 minutes until my brain was just like 'Something is wrong dude' and I just ran around, I thought I was supposed to use an item or throw something at him but when I found the door I just smacked my face on the desk. But have fun with the rest of your high ;)

Midnight Raven The Game Theorists Dispersia Morock What everyone failed to bring up is that everything discussed is at the beginning of the game. Dark Souls 1 and 2 are easy at the end. Painfully easy, I farm the giant lord at new game +7 because I can. If he hits me once I'm dead, but I saw his attacks since the release of the game. Its easy! That giant is cheap, you can't know that will happen, but then you try again and kill it and move on. Most of the bosses aren't necessarily the same, but most are incredibly underwhelming. For example, the Demon of Song. Who saw that and thought, this will be difficult. I killed him first try, almost perfectly. Dark souls has issues, yet the game teaches you things you apply to other games. People speed run these games in 6 hours. With just their fists. The game becomes the same after you understand the levels. The level design is good and all but once you understand it all, there's nothing more to need. The game is unfair, but there is no doubt that if you make it out by the hair of your chin, that its a good feeling. You got lucky, don't screw it up. I run around to do things that make the game harder, because after you know what your doing. What else is there? If learning things the hard way was a game, it would be Dark souls. The whole argument about "changing the game,". This is flawed because they just took the game and through stuff in there. The pendant doesn't add to the game, you just learn to not pick it. The DLC's are all cheap, nothing fair about it. Seriously, nothing. They make stuff just to screw you over. So, Dark Souls is a game series for Masochists OR for those dedicated enough to get to the easy part.

GamerHats hey JoJo

As for the ending, that is highly subjective and depends on how intrigued you were by the narrative. Personally I love each ending. It gets the point across that neither ending is grand or important. The entire theme of the game is the inevitable end of all things, including the Age of Fire and Age of Man. To say the ending is lackluster as one of your main arguments is not very smart. This isn't a fact. There is no hard evidence to this claim. You can't make an argument based solely on preference.

Thumbs up!!!

ImKylin The problem here is that the enemy doesn't respond to your attacks, they don't have any AI

Preach! \[T] /

ImKylin Let me continue your sweet arguments. At the end, when he says the game doesn't give you the detailed information about the itens, and that people needs to hack the game to find out the exact stats of the itens. Well... in life, do you know how much of defense has a shield or how much of atack has a crowbar? do you know how much hitpoint do you lose when you stamble? that's the point... the game tries to hide the actual numbers so you will choose your equipment after you actually use it, try them all, and make you aproximate judgment... just like in real life.

He is a casul.

Shehryar Ali Mastering parry tactics is probably the most satisfying thing in DS. I love it.

Forgot the word scrub.

L The Fifteenth even though im bad at parrying i love the combat in dark souls. ;p

Istari Pallando Exactly.

Ocarina of Time made progression feel fun whilst Dark Souls makes progression feel like I'm spending three years to grind a single level.

i feel the opposite. but to each their own I enjoy OOT but I enjoy DS more...both are now classics & great games, the challenge in dark souls isnt even THAT hard....my god...people make DS like "man takes me forever, game is way too hard" I did Dark Souls, Dark souls 2, Dark Souls 3 - sure there was some challenge & some parts that felt cheap, and its not a perfect game (nobody saying it is). But I've enjoyed both games (and both franchises equally).

4) aren’t those bosses from DLC?

And forgive my wall of text but, my last run was just a normal run and I beat it around SL75. Stat levels are primarily about "I need this number to use this thing." Don't worry about amassing power through leveling. There are easier ways. When all is said and done, if you have the extra souls to drop some points here and there, cool. If not, there are other ways to accomplish your objectives. But also learn to economize your soul use. If I am doing a faith build, I don't always need to drop 50 pts on Fai, 50 on Dex and 50 on Str. You are not getting your money (souls) worth. Diminished returns. One thing you could do in such a case is get STR/DEX just high enough to handle the weapon you want to use, ascend it to Divine and drop a bunch on FAI. This way, your FAI is scaling your divine weapon AND letting you access miracles. Economy.

To be fair you can parry repost and kill him extremely quickly.

there is a reason why Gwyn as a last boss is rather weak

+Mr. Fiddlesticks I agree but that soundtrack tho... it's my favourite soundtrack in a video game ever (with a Pokemon soundtrack at no. 2). The first time I entered the boss room I just stood there and was killed by Gwyn because I was overwhelmed by the music.

the game is not unfair YOU are just bad

True. They're lucky they don't go back to the beginning of the game if they run out of lives XD

+ahmed kabbary The games arnt unfair, they just hold a reasonable expectation of your ability to learn from experience and adapt.

+Cretaal That would take away the whole point of dark souls than

This. Exactly this is why the ds fanbase is so cancerous.

petar kazic Most of the arguments, pros and cons, were pretty shallow to be fair. MatPat didn't really express the strong points of dark souls through facts, neither did the other dude express the flaws through facts. Both just compared opinions about stuff in the game.

petar kazic ^^ bingo. a silly typo on a useless ring that nobobdy ever took because lets be honest there were way better rings and/or gifts to start with. also I feel like a little too much importance was put on the rusted iron ring =/ all you have to do is just roll a lot when in areas where you run slower. you don't need the ring.

***** he also completely ignored the lore because he would have won in a heartbeat

petar kazic "I could get a ring to regen health or I can open many doors... hmmm... of course the better choice is regen health" why would one think like that?

Wonderful Death lore is only a small part of what makes a game good. A great lore and story is what solidifies a game not what makes it and if your gameplay is so infuriating that it pulls you out of the experience then people start caring less about it and more about how to get past this one part that keeps killing them. It is just a point that when people have to focus so heavily on one particular piece of the game, in this case how punishing it is, then no matter the work you put into anything else it will go largely unnoticed. Most of the lore won't be noticed till your second playthrough and even then it's only because you have learned the little tricks to survive. Unfortunately though a lot of people won't do a second play as they get so frustrated they just want to finish the game so they can be done.

Bed of Chaos

Yeah, but nothing is permanent, besides, who wants to skip bosses in a souls game?

Oh man Capra took me 23 tries

Yeah, I had a +14 Demon Greataxe and 53 strenght, so it basically was a one shot kill

Yeah man, also in ng+

it pisses you more when you hear the points they make. unfairly difficult? nah u just need to git gud. rusted iron ring necessary? I didn't even remembered that fuking ring existed. shallow fighting mechanics? like wtf kind of drugs are these dudes on?

#triggered

Yes me too and the Arguments the left guy makes are just the ones a Little crybaby would say

+Toreole Superzocker Way to refute them. Great job! You get a blue ribbon.

I got really mad when I saw the clickbait title, and after watching the video.

Darian Rizzo yeah no, couldn't tell. The wheel is probably just for the sake of making it like a game show.

Yeah, I've seen his DS 2 review, and he likes it.

I hope so

SkepticalRowan ahh so he’s a masochist

@@Euclidiuss so did Hbomberguy and look how that turned out

Also, what do you mean, "It never tells you anything in the end."? I felt like I new a TON about the game on my first blind play through, on top of that, I'm actually INTELLIGENT and was able to figure out mechanics like humanity EASILY.

LeadFaun don't forget they are probably causals, so they probably didn't know most items in the game can give story's or more info on characters like Solaire's armor set

This black sprite is called humanity, but little is known about its true nature. If the soul is the source of all life, then what distinguishes the humanity we hold within ourselves? so you figured out without the internet that this item, increases defence stats, makes some weapons way more powerful, heals you, makes people invade you, is farmable from rats, and is used in later quests for shortcuts better keep hold of it. and don't say the NPCs tell you because they can also lie to you. INTELLIGENT is not the right word for that more like PSYCHIC.

windwaker0rules You can see it increases your defences, and increases weapon damage, by checking your stats, use it with

No, that's exactly the right word for it. Intelligent. It's fairly obvious. The item description tells you it's for online. Also, what elijah said. The only one that's fairly hidden is the Chaos covenant shortcut, which you would eventually figure out if you bothered to level your covenants. Every cheap death in this game is avoidable, either by being good at the game, or exploring your surroundings well. Use your head man, it doesn't take a genius.