Dealing with difficult rootballs: Nursery Picea half bareroot repot
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Жыл бұрынThis is the Picea which I also showed in the pruning back video. It is now fall, and I decided to move this into a better substrate. Unfortunately, the rootball was soo dense and overgrown that I decided to not bare-root the plant. Instead, I half-bare-rooted the tree. A few weeks later I show the tree, with a few branches turning yellow.
Did I do too much?
The pruning video: • Turning an overgrown g...
@abydosianchulac2 Жыл бұрын
13:20 That glare you're giving the tree screams volumes. 😄 The nebari might not be ideal, but I still like the character it gives the tree. Given it's natural leaning angle and the lopsided nebari structure, would you consider a windswept look for this (if it survives)?
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the timestamp link: I now realize that the branches that dies.. were already pale when I originally repotted. And only the ones that had this yellow sheen to it died and no other. That gives me hope!
@philtudor6079 Жыл бұрын
Jelle . . . Your truth and honesty regarding the work and experiments involving bonsai is what inspires me to really think about the nature of the tree. I've learned a whole lot more since watching your interesting videos, and I hope many more people can gain more insight from your knowledge. I really appreciate that you share your expertise for the benefit of others. Thank You.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hi Phil, thank you so much. It really helps me to hear this. I every once in a while wonder whether people are interested in hearing the things that might not work out or were dificult. I guess it does make it more relatable to the individual challenges we all face in our gardens!
@TheBonsaiGarden Жыл бұрын
Hey Jelle 😊 Always interesting and educational viewing. 🙏 And loved your very final remark 😂
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Jason! Glad you liked it!
@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Жыл бұрын
I liked seeing the half/half approach - I'd never considered that before. Let's see how it is in the spring. Cheers :)
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Hey Xavier, it is a well-known method for some of the coniferous species that are tricky when repotting, particularly when heavy work is needed. Look for it, there are some giudes/examples
@BlueJayBonsai Жыл бұрын
Best of luck Jelle! With your professional after care, I know it will survive! 👍💪
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed! Thank you so much. I can only do so much. Wait and hope!
@Bonsaiandknives Жыл бұрын
Needle trees are from my point of view very difficult bonsai trees. Wish you patience and success
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you andreas. Normally I do not have a lot of issues :(
@bonsaikastur Жыл бұрын
I learnt the lesson with piceas 2 years ago with my first one.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
And the lessone was... 😥
@bonsaikastur Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai the lesson was... to buy another one
@rfadfsasfd Жыл бұрын
Man, I did the same kind of repotting on exactly the same kind of tree and sustrate last spring (yes, black mud on a nursery picea) BUT, I was more conservative and the tree survived with pretty good growth (even with some pinching and wiring done). Good luck with your picea!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Here is to surviving Picea!
@bobcatbonsai Жыл бұрын
This was a true test of patience and by the outcome I would say you passed with flying colors. I really like the slant it takes to the right. I would guess you recorded this on a Sunday🤣. Very awesome to watch you work through this, great work!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:) Lets hope it stays well!
@BonsaiCornwall Жыл бұрын
Stuff it! 🇬🇧 love this tree and video excellent presentation as always my friend 💚
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers! Wish the tree is full florishing mode in Spring!. Else. Stuff it, indeed
@WanderingBobAK Жыл бұрын
I've been watching your vids for some time. "Stupid Tree" ... subscribed! Haha!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:) Fortunately, it is still alive!
@greenmachinesweden Жыл бұрын
I had a hunch this would be the result. Great vid Jelle!😀👍
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
hahaha, which result is that Magnus? A dying branch here and there? Or you concerned more might die off?
@greenmachinesweden Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai i do not think I am capable of making prognose of what will happen going forward. I hope it don't get worse. You said you would release the vid in spring, but released it in authum. Hence my hunch.😀👍
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@greenmachinesweden the speed of change was fast, so I decided to not style. Originally I wanted to also wire it over winter and show all. Then when editing I must have missed the spring release comment!
@natrjack965 Жыл бұрын
I believe the word you are looking for Jelle is SOD IT ...
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@tarian_bonsai Жыл бұрын
Nice & Amazing
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tarian!
@naturgeist Жыл бұрын
Last winter i've lost a similar Spruce after a hard repotting. It was super potbound Gardencenter material :P But I am sure yours will do better than mine 😅😉😊
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Oh no! Not the sort of news I was hoping for!
@tototest4157 Жыл бұрын
Maybe this tree would be happy with some mycorhyze in the pot and some moss on top of the soil.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thx Toto
@cor1128 Жыл бұрын
Nice video great work i learn A lot by watching your video 's .... STUPIT TREE 🤣
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍So happy to hear there is something new in my videos for many. Yes, stupid me, stupid tree!
@mattbrennan647 Жыл бұрын
It’s situations like this where it might have made more sense to do the root work before doing any styling. I’m sure it’s in capable hands and will flourish. Honestly I think I would have killed it. 😢 Thanks, keep growing
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Heya Matt, thank you for your vote of confidence. There is always this dificult question on repotting first, or working on strong backbudding response by leaving the roots alone initially. I am on middle ground where I look on a case by case basis what the optimal route would be. Maybe I choose poorly!
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
Interesting video! I had to do emergency work on a couple of large Piceas last year as they were deteriorating quickly (too much rain, I think, or worst: the needles in the top half of the tree were covered with a black coat of something). It was middle/end of winter so not the ideal time plus the root balls were a mess, super long, tangly, and not well balanced as yours. They lost almost all their needles, but now one is back to normal while the other still looking quite sparse. I’d like the branches to be a bit fuller, but Piceas don’t backbud like pines so not really sure what to do… Anyway I’m sure your “stoopid” tree will do better than mine! Gambatte, tohi!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
I understand that Picea, in good sun and well fertilized, will backbud well. Interesting that you have a different experience. I do hope this one will pop back!
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai they were on a sunny balcony before where they were thriving… in the new place they were on the sunny part of the patio, but when we had the terrible heatwave and I was sick and couldn’t attend them they struggled a little… I then moved them in shady side of the patio and never moved… I’ll try to keep them in the sun and fertilise them better during the next growing season and I’ll let you know! Thanks a lot for the tip! 🙏 🙏 🙏
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@sbragaglia Picea and hot pots are a bad combo though. The advice I got from my school is to keep the pots cool in summer, and the plant as bright as realistic within that condition.
@sbragaglia Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai that’s why I’d like to join a club or a school, having enough time! Thanks for the tip! Do you think using tinfoil as Nigel would do? I’ve seen a who was using a plank leaning vertical in front of the pot to shade it. Would it work?
@kurtdebree263 Жыл бұрын
@@sbragaglia I use wet white cloth on the pots... keeps them cool enough
@tasanastasi7799 Жыл бұрын
I think you did the right thing Jelle ..Better safe than sorry . Do you believe in washing roots out or not, in normal circumstances . ?
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
I always try to avoind washing out the roots. Most of the time I also see no reason to!
@AlexBraunton Жыл бұрын
What sort of temperatures are you getting there at the moment Jelle? It's rarely dropped below 10c here. Nice work on the tree. I'll be interested to see how it does next year.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
We had a few nights with a hint of first frost. But right now we are at 20C again! Very odd weather. This tree *seems* to have stabilized!
@firemouse666 Жыл бұрын
We bougt a "potted christmas tree" a few days ago and I just go the idea to create my first bonsai out of it after christmas 😂 The root ball sits in a burlap sack and is covered by black mud and peat soil. I was considering looki g at the roots right now, even before christmas, but after seeing your video I guess that will stress it too much. Or do you think that proper substrate will do more good than harm?
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
If it is well rooted it is best to wait a little ubtill winter abates. Buuut, if it came from a field (burlap sack suggest this) I would het it potted up properly!
@thenaturecreater8906 Жыл бұрын
I did a picea gluaca 5 september. It was kinda off the same as yours. But i washed half of the nursery pot out with water. And replaced it with a bonsai mix substrat. Its doing amazing. Nothing have died and Its put on some growth too!! And to the spring or next spring i will do the rest. And the raintree i won have stil not come the mail 😮 should i be worrid??
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Not come? Hm.. That does not sound right. It has been 1 1/2 weeks!
@thenaturecreater8906 Жыл бұрын
@@GrowingBonsai i will try to track it. I belive i got a tracing number in the mal i got from Netherlands post office
@thenaturecreater8906 Жыл бұрын
It was sent to norway 18 October. And Its on its way does it say. Do you think survives 2 weeks in the mail?
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@thenaturecreater8906 Yes, that is right, you should have!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
@@thenaturecreater8906 I once sent one that took 4 weeks, and bounced back. THese issues are reasons for not really wanting to send these things out globally!
@patrickmosebach7878 Жыл бұрын
Wondering how this held up over winter.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Yes! Great to hear. It did OK but not good enough to style. So a video will be after summer the earliest!
@brucedeacon28 Жыл бұрын
👍👌🙂
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:) Thx Bruce!
@AlexBraunton Жыл бұрын
Sunday?!
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:) No more guesses for you!
@ericmoore5394 Жыл бұрын
Every country in Europe on a Sunday will hear the same sound around noon 😅 from Ireland myself so we ain't short of bells 😂
@maryweber4176 Жыл бұрын
@@ericmoore5394 So, what am I missing not being in Europe on a Sunday.
@ericmoore5394 Жыл бұрын
@@maryweber4176 The sound of a church and its bells. I'm sure the there are other places like the America's, Australia etc. I was just being tongue and cheek saying Europe as many many many many church's were built here and are very old and we still have the Sunday bells.
@philtudor6079 Жыл бұрын
:)
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:)
@onizukateacher7992 Жыл бұрын
Thats the probleme with nursery.. so fucking boring to do coz no one care .thanks showing the reality Jelle 👍
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
:) Yeah, sometimes it just looks too easy to be true, which does not help people who get stuff from a nursery!
@maryweber4176 Жыл бұрын
What you find as boring, those of us just learning find everything educating, being roots or whatever.
@GrowingBonsai Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Mary. Good for me to have those thought put back in place and a reminder for me to keep in mind that the aim is to provide a solid ground for people getting settled into bonsai.
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