Avid messaged me on Facebook to say they tried commenting but the comments get deleted. Just to let everyone know I have only ever deleted maybe 3 comments. For disgusting vulgar remarks. Otherwise I don’t delete comments. I have checked KZfaq’s spam/review filter and found nothing. If anyone finds comments from avid let me know. I’m not opposed to their comments whatsoever. I just want that out there.
@chuckhuber52942 жыл бұрын
I predate Avid as well, started with a Digi Rack 002 in 2008. I had been a Cubase user prior and always dreamed of “upgrading” to ProTools because it’s the industry standard. I have thought about switching to Studio 1, but like you, I am comfortable with PT. This is infuriating. If you audition any other DAWs, please make a video about the experience. I’d really like to see how painful (or not) switching would be… especially pertaining to projects started in PT and finished in another DAW. Personally I’m looking at Studio 1, Harrison Mixbus, Reaper, or back to Cubase. Keep up the good work! (I arrived when Ryan Earnhardt did a video about your channel)
@BrianSimmons2 жыл бұрын
KZfaq will remove comments with links automatically. I suspect Avid is trying to post a comment with a link to support or something else that is suppose to be helpful or relevant to the conversation, but KZfaq will still remove them.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
Comments with links go to a review box for approval. I haven’t seen anything.
@NeilHollomanDrums2 жыл бұрын
I was pro tools for 10 years and like you guys, I love the software, but unfortunately the software is only half the story. Avid’s tactics and schemes of pricing etc etc are just unacceptable. So….I looked around and came upon studio one. It’s fantastic and their team is amazing as well. They actually listen to the user base and regularly interact through the Facebook groups etc. It is extremely powerful and has an amazing library of instruments and loops that come with it. If you sign up for sphere subscription, it’s game over. You get pretty much everything they offer l and make. They even have a keyboard shortcut set that is mapped to existing pro tools shortcuts. It’s legit. You wouldn’t be sorry.
@outernationalstudios2 жыл бұрын
I've been a pro tools user since the 90s. I'm seriously considering going with another DAW. Sorry this is happening to you- but it's not uncommon. Avid is ruining studios all over the world...
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
Drink everytime she says "VERIFY". If you're still alive by the end hit subscribe!
@BloodwolfMusic2 жыл бұрын
Gatorade drink game initiated 😂
@Shermanbay2 жыл бұрын
I wrestle with this kind of "support" all the time, often with cable companies (I run a small cable TV channel). I don't have your patience (or spare time) for this. My only suggestion would be to ask for a supervisor much earlier in the call. You're a VIP to them and they should treat you accordingly.
@Phantommxr2 жыл бұрын
Reaper....$225 Bucks to get 2 full versions full commercial license...total customization
@alexreverberi2 жыл бұрын
damn you! now i'm out if Jaegermeister and slightly drunk. Jokes aside yeah Customer support it always been pretty aweful. and yes although I still use PT depending on clients needs I did switch to another DAW myself for the same exact reason many years ago
@tylermandelias92182 жыл бұрын
Drink everytime she says "uhh"💀
@joeMW284 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the reasons why I use Reaper. Copy protection on this level is absolutely ridiculous.
@ErinIsBlueBlue2 жыл бұрын
Reaper is a gem of a software. So light and powerful, mindblowing, really.
@rdwilln2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing another daw can do that it cant. I love it
@kelvinfunkner Жыл бұрын
just switched our entire facility over to Reaper from Pro Tools and am BLOWN AWAY...incredible DAW 🙂
@rano12321 Жыл бұрын
@@mf_rat There are like 11 algorithms for audio stretching in Reaper. You can hold alt and drag to stretch the audio in Reaper.
@Sleemzz2 жыл бұрын
I'm a 22 year old engineer/mixer who just graduated from school in may. The overwhelming majority of my peers were not Pro Tools users. Most are opting to use Logic and Ableton. If avid losses the youth (and it looks like they are), their days as the "industry standard" are numbered.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Well said, and I fully agree. I wont be sorry to see them go either. It really is garbage software, a fact that becomes quite clear after switching to Reaper and deeply using it for a while.
@Spidouz2 жыл бұрын
I suspect them to already know they lost the "Music Industry" because nobody cares about about it. I remember that at the studio like 10-15 years ago, we had clients that were specifically asking us if we had Protools, because they heard it was the thing to have in "pro studios". But nobody cares anymore today. You can use whatever DAW you like the most and make world platinum records with it. So they know the youth will use Ableton, FL Studio, Logic Pro, Cubase, Studio One, Reaper, whatever... and be happy with it. So they shifted their business to aim mainly to the "Post Prod Industry", because in this market, Protools is still dominant and necessary... So unless you're working on the next Hollywood post prod, you don't need Protools anymore.
@sinathi90912 жыл бұрын
I’m just about to graduate as well as an mix/mastering engineer. Pro tools was introduced to me as industry standard and to this day I do not understand as to why. I use logic personally but have used other DAWs and from my experience I have never seen the use of pro tools. I understood it’s purpose but I have never had one good experience with pro tools and since then I have never used it. My peers in uni can tell you how much I dislike pro tools, I wanted to get use to it and wanted to learn it but when I use logic and go back to pro tools I get frustrated with how pro tools doesn’t support latest Mac software or have simple features that are in every other daw
@adenthestudiorat2 жыл бұрын
That's the destiny of all those brands with this "If you wanna be part of my ecosystem you gotta be wealthy and worthy" kind of attitude. I mean, just the fact that they have a subscription model for the DAW itself... Not even Apple had the nerves to do that with Logic, and we know how predatory Apple can be money wise. That speaks volumes about Avid's policies.
@ABC_A2 жыл бұрын
Very true, Avid's use base is an aging userbase who they mostly bought from Digidesign when they bought out Digidesign which gave them Pro Tools Both Logic and Ableton have a younger user base Avid has lost the next 10 years
@LetsTalkAboutReaper2 жыл бұрын
The level of restraint you showed on this phone call is LEGENDARY!
@oinkooink2 жыл бұрын
And you need it too because phone assistants are trained specifically to be steroid level passive aggressive, fielding genuine criticism and fair pointed questions with a kind of chirpy, butter wouldn't melt in their mouth, upturned end of word inflected delight that only further enrages the complainant and results in their meltdown. That's what they want as opposed to genuinely desiring to rectify your issue...which they often know can not be rectified or they don't want rectified. At that point the company wins because you've lost control and you've insulted a valued phone assistant professional. You're a bigot and an evil bully.
@manuelleivatalledo615 Жыл бұрын
@@oinkooink Low wages, enormous amounts of calls, different enterprises for the same agency, is the fault of the enterprise, reflected in the burnout of their customer service personnel
@SirMixAlotChannel2 жыл бұрын
This shit is so so real.... Been there done that! This is the reason many PT users go completely offline and almost NEVER update (unless tested on another computer). I've seen studios still on PT-9 because of shit like this. I feel you brotha SMH
@needsLITHIUM2 жыл бұрын
I've seen pro studios still using Dual-CPU PowerPC G4 Macs with DDR2 RAM for this reason... they're so scared of shit breaking they use an air-gapped dinosaur, and then do everything else that can't be done in the box there with analog outboard gear, or they export and process on a laptop separately in a throw away session of Garage Band Pro, Pro Tools | First, or Tracktion Waveform, and then re-import. I'm not kidding.
@nine27 Жыл бұрын
yepp PTs 2019 still and before tgst was on 10 forever 😂 not updating til new computer time and Im contemplating on switching to Studio One. This subscription based shit is fukin ridiculous.
@davwindersheena34602 жыл бұрын
I’d been a Digidesign ProTools user since the 90’s and worked it all the way till the early 2000’s and just got sick and tired of having to pay and pay and pay everytime there was a major upgrade and it was just downhill after Avid acquired it. Now, we’re talking about having the ProTools in a world class recording studio that worked with major labels and artistes. Dropped it and moved to Logic for a bit up until Studio ONE Pro came into my life 6 years ago. I’ve never looked back since. The workflow and ease of use and even the the team behind it is a joy to work with. It’s essentially a fam. Just get out of this energy and money sucking model and settle on Studio One. Hands down the smartest move. For any studio that wants to run a business without any hiccups. Now, I’ve had my rig in the studio, out for a live gig and also worked in the same eco system from production right up till final masters. Works seamlessly with Dante interfaces and I’ve yet to deal with latency. Good luck with your decision. Reach out if you have any questions. Been doing this for 35 years.
@MosesoM2 жыл бұрын
One word… CUBASE
@paszTube2 жыл бұрын
Switched to Reaper a few months ago, after using Pro Tools for about 20 years, owning several pieces of Digidesign/Avid hardware. Switching to Reaper is still an ongoing process for me, there's so much to learn and customise in Reaper but I can tell you that in my experience it's all worth it. I can now do what I did in Pro Tools, just as well or better and faster.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper is likely the industry standard of the future.
@SeanofAllTrades2 жыл бұрын
Switched to Reaper over 5 years ago and never looked back.
@fazsound2 жыл бұрын
Same here - moved over 6 months ago... never been happier with a DAW... I wouldn't recommend it to everyone though - it takes a certain type of geek to get the most out of Reaper! 😂
@st33Npuist2 жыл бұрын
No other DAW is faster than Reaper. It's amazing..
@danielgiaccio10342 жыл бұрын
Yea man same hey.
@stevesrecordingtips72472 жыл бұрын
I love how you price-shopped Studio One while you were on hold. Made me laugh so hard.
@weschilton2 жыл бұрын
I remember when Avid announced their new subscription bullshit, renaming all of their products, all those people who bought into the perpetual license were so smug that they were somehow grandfathered in and wouldn't have to pay. I knew then that Avid would pull this crap, and here it is.
@oinkooink2 жыл бұрын
You will eat the bugs. You will own nothing and be happy. You will live in the pod. What are you transphobic or something? A climate change denier?
@madness85562 жыл бұрын
I have been a loyal Protools user since purchasing a Digi001 in 2001. I'm absolutely disgusted at the corporate greed that Avid is practising where I'm now charged a rip off AUD $450 a year to be allowed to continue using the DAW that I purchased 21 years ago! I'm supposed to get Avid Customer Service as part of this rip off subscription service that has nothing to do with service and yet I got told that I can't get phone support from Avid! This is ludicrous! I look forward to getting to know Reaper for audio editing and continue using Logic for all my midi duties. Bye bye Protools... As a matter of fact GOOD RIDDANCE AVID!!!!
@philipdubnick77762 жыл бұрын
It’s interesting to see the frustrations that many of us non-HD/non-Ultimate PT users have been expressing for years about Avid’s business model start to be voiced by the long term Ultimate/HD users in the music field who, up until recently, seem to have been less bothered by them. I suspect this might be, in part, because Avid is making it increasingly clear that, in their calculations, large post houses are going to be the market that is most likely to sustain them as an ongoing concern and are pricing and catering accordingly. I too remain a PT user and love the software in spite of not being a fan of Avid’s approach to the subscription/perpetual license model. Perhaps my having been disillusioned much earlier with their approach (I started using other DAWs back in the days when they were charging LE users a 500 dollar additional fee to have access to multi-track Beat Detective) means I am less upset by Avid’s recent moves because, to many long term PT ‘Studio’ users like myself, it is really nothing new. As someone who regularly uses PT, Reaper, Logic Pro & Cubase Pro (and has dabbled in Studio One - which I find underwhelming, TBH) I would highly recommend digging into Reaper. It’s really amazing (basically my daily driver along with PT) in terms of capability, flexibility and stability. Some DAW’s workflows are better for midi oriented producers, some better for those working bands and doing a lot of live tracking, and some are particularly great to mix in, but Reaper really covers all the bases. There are a couple areas where I still prefer PT’s methodologies (playlists vs take systems, track based edit groups vs ‘item’ based edit groups) but Reaper’s concepts in those areas still work fine and, thankfully, it appears that they are hard at work on their own version of playlists (as an alternative to their existing ‘take’ system) and track based edit groups (as an alternative to their current ‘item’ based edit grouping model). Outside of that, I’d say the only other thing I’d love to see them improve is the transient detection algorithm which is just ok (I’ve actually been very impressed by the transient detection Logic Pro and Cubase Pro as of late). Another benefit with Reaper that can’t be overstated is that really can set up the key commands and even a lot of the menus to be very close whatever the DAW is that you are most familiar with. For me, having pretty much all the key commands from PT set up in Reaper has the added benefit of making it totally seamless moving between the two. There is absolutely no slow down for me when I open a PT session coming out of a Reaper session or vice versa. I love a lot about Logic Pro, but I can’t tell you the number of times a day I curse myself for accidentally going into Record because of my hard wired tendency to hit ‘R’ as a zoom function. With some DAWs the lack of equivalent functions and the number of already occupied key commands makes it a close to impossible task to set up the key commands to match those of the DAW you are most familiar with but with Reaper I find it a much less daunting and much more possible endeavor. Anyhow, best of luck whatever you do. I still hold out a little hope that, with more Ultimate users like yourself being vocal about Avid’s direction that maybe they’ll reevaluate they’re current approach to a lot of things.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I may have to reach out to you not the future. You seem to know where I’m coming from from a workflow standpoint. And switching involves consider millions of “little things” that amount to more than each individually.
@philipdubnick77762 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser yeah, feel free. If you like I can share my configuration with you (another pretty cool aspect of Reaper). Like I said, I have the vast majority of my key commands set the same as PT (I tend to use the keyboard focus commands, although sometimes I will assign the traditional key command to a related task - for instance I set ‘split at playhead’ to ‘B’ and ‘split at timeline selection’ to command-B). I even have all the clip (called ‘items’ in Reaper) navigation, clip boundary expansion/contraction and clip content nudging set to the same commands as PT (although Reaper has a mouse modifiers to more quickly slip edit clip content than PT, so I rarely use the latter). Also, if you search the Reaper forums and ‘stash’ you can find a lot of people sharing their PT shortcuts so you can just import them and go. To be fair I’d say Cubase Pro is also worth exploring but a few things really drive me nuts: 1) For some reason, once you’ve written mute automation the solo function goes all nutty. Workaround for this is to just use something like the Hofa fader plugin to automate mutes, but that is a less than ideal solution in my mind. There is the listen button as an alternative to using solo obviously, but that doesn’t include your master bus processing, so for me it’s not usually a good alternative. 2.) I find the automation timing precision to be a tad questionable for some reason. To be fair, this seems to be the case with several DAWs outside of PT and Reaper, both of which seem solid. 3) When it’s running solidly it is rock solid (in fairness, lately I’ve found a lot of DAWs feel more stable than they had in the past), but when something goes screwy, I find Cubase to be one of the more frustrating DAWs to trouble shoot and get answers for. Reaper developers are amazing at constantly addressing bug reports and they update the DAW several times a week with both bug fixes and feature adds. 4.) The interface gets very cluttered and one of it’s biggest strengths is also a weakness: because they seem to evaluate and adopt competing DAWs workflows regularly (which is fantastic) there often ends up being 2-3 methodologies for nearly everything you want to do (one for the o.g. Cubase users, and 1-2 that they’ve swiped from other DAWs). Makes finding info on how to do something you are used to doing in other DAWs even more confusing. 5) In spite of, I believe, coming up with the ‘folder’ concept, they have the least developed version of it (no bussing folders, no parity of folders in the arrange and mixer views). Folders in Cubase only serve as a crude space saver in the arrange window. Outside of those snags, Cubase has a pretty robust feature and workflow set both for programming oriented stuff and live band/heavy audio editing stuff. Also has a very solid Beat Detective equivalent workflow and one of the only phase-locked multitrack group stretch algos that works really, really well for drums (as of version 12). Like Logic Pro it has combined the (in my view) flawed ‘take’ or ‘lane’ approach with ‘Track Versions’.
@Phantommxr2 жыл бұрын
@@philipdubnick7776 Preach on the Reaper truth... it can run as anything you want really!! And it has PT skins.... and it has support for AAX VST3 AU ... I am not looking back
@MrNEWDY2 жыл бұрын
The qualms reaper has had with midi was decently easy for me to get over by adding custom toolbars for things I appreciated from the midi editor in cubase (imo best midi editing daw out there)
@philipdubnick77762 жыл бұрын
@@MrNEWDY It is nice in Cubase having so many of the options right there in the midi window (and as you said, you can mimic this pretty closely in Reaper) but I just prefer using a combo of mouse modifiers and shortcuts. The clutter in Cubase is a bit much for me, even when things are folded up.
@jamesgrant33432 жыл бұрын
Well done for staying so calm and clear. If it were me I’d ask to speak to a supervisor or escalate to the next support tier. It was pretty clear that you were getting no where fast! There’s a whole free world outside Avid… Reaper is a great shout and there are so many great converters.
@ghosteyes27082 жыл бұрын
IMO Cubase is the best option. It's great at everything. Studio One, especially since version 5, is also amazing.
@memeswillneverdie Жыл бұрын
another cubase user here, I agree, I use pro tools, ableton, cubase and have knowledge of cakewalk and cubase absolutley takes the cake for just getting out of your way with everything and i haven't had any trouble with customer service always fast and extremly helpful.
@maximefortinmusic2 жыл бұрын
Reaper my man. Edit - Anything else but avid is good at this point. I was in the same situation : I really loved Pro Tools and was super efficient in it, but unfortunatly the business model & support were getting in the way. The switch is hard work at fist, but 2 weeks was all it took for me to get pretty confortable. Moreover, PT is SO FAR behind the curve for SO MANY features that other DAWs had for years. It's a running joke at this point. Hopefully, you may do a serie on exploring your options for long term gains in your career. Recuring pebbles in shoes are mighty foes.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long. Sounds like this is a good time to switch over.
@ghosteyes27082 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderstuartpetty485 No it won't be. If Pro Tools is gone, people will most likely switch to Cubase or Logic. Reaper lacks so many creative features, you need tons of unofficial addons to make it up to par with the rest and even so, it's an ugly mess. Reaper is what you use if you want to spend hours and hours customizing it only to end up with an inferior cubase/studio one/logic. No wonder why reaper users spend more time customizing shit and trying different themes than making actual songs.
@rdwilln2 жыл бұрын
@@ghosteyes2708 Whatever is free will be the standard and reaper is essentially free. It is what kids are going to learn on. Studios don't matter any more there is no "industry" and protools is for old people.
@eprotz2 жыл бұрын
I have switch to Reaper for my daily daw after using pro tools since version 7.4, when it looked like windows 95. Reaper has it's learning curve, but I've customized the shortcuts to do the same and more than what I'm used to from protools. For example R is zoom out, and shift R is render, and you can add ctrl and alt, plus ctrl+shift, etc. Reaper has the best multicore performance, at least in windows, and have a lot of great features like an spectral editor like Rx.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long.
@Eljulitus2 жыл бұрын
How about the Suspend Automation function? Or the extended functions of the numeric keys (but not as markers)? Or shortcuts with several key taps, one after the other, not simultaneously? I really miss those.
@CarlyonProduction2 жыл бұрын
@@Eljulitus feel you there. These are the kinds of things that I miss when using reaper. People tend to forget that pro tools is great at so many things. I also just miss the arrange page. The groups too.
@mf_rat Жыл бұрын
Does it have elastic audio or equivalent?
@rano12321 Жыл бұрын
@@Eljulitus There is a built in action called, Global automation override: Toggle bypass all automation in reaper that lets you do the same as suspend automation in pro tools. Pretty much everything about Reaper is customizable so I don't know what are you talking about the extended functions of the numeric keys, you can assign anything the numeric keys. Same with shortcuts with several key taps with sws.
@gabemaymi2 жыл бұрын
Happened to me a while back. Just finished the switch to Reaper for the price, functionality and the insanely helpful community around it. Wasn't even a hard switch thanks to custom themes and portable installs for when I go to other studios!
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper is the industry standard of the future. You were wise to switch to it.
@68Snaps2 жыл бұрын
I had similar problems with Adobe when they forced users to switch to a subscription model. So had to migrate to their competitors who let you still buy the software. For music, I use Cubase, I buy the version I need and use it as I want, when I want, no hassle. I'm also not getting into UAD Spark just for that. One of the main issues with subscription: when you opt out, you can't even open your old projects anymore. You're totally scr*wed. I woud stay out of ANY subscription model. Period.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
sadly its almost impossible to avoid
@danymalsound2 жыл бұрын
Just FYI, anything you buy from UAD that's been ported to Spark, you get the spark (UADx) version for free
@robertw18712 жыл бұрын
Yep, I’ve been on Open Office and Gimp for a decade probably… This is also why I’d rather invest in hardware vs plugins, I abhor iLok, that’s leaving my studio next…
@68Snaps2 жыл бұрын
@@robertw1871 Good solution. Expensive solution though. I have a "plugin rack" I use on every track, the analog gear to replace the plugins cost 38.000€ ... Unless you have a good running business it's not possible.
@robertw18712 жыл бұрын
@@68Snaps Thankfully I don’t need much in my work flow… Compressor, EQ and Reverb get me 99%… Got a 500 series rack (Cranborne R8) and so far I’m using a DBX compressor ($200 used), a Radial reamp ($280 used unopened) and a strymon BigSky ($375 used unopened) through the Radial for reverb. So I’m under a grand and have a large chunk complete.. Still need EQ and I’m looking at Neve 1073LB and Pultec, so probably a couple grand more and I’ll have a fairly solid start with only a few plugins running… Even with the very limited amount of gear I’ve currently got installed it’s made a huge huge difference over plugins… Not cheap though, but it’s pretty easy to blow serval grand on plugins as well, at least this stuff doesn’t need a license and has high resale value, plus it’s just plain better having actual knobs to mess with lol 😂
@Souldoubtrocks2 жыл бұрын
I run studio one pro and picked up a studio live 24R rack for an interface. Nice set up. Zero latency
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
It looks appealing I'll say that
@nicolasmelgarejo2 жыл бұрын
I stopped paying for the renewal since I found out that I had to pay annually for updates. After watching your video I realize that from now on they rent you something that used to be worth between 25,000 or 35,000 dollars with their hardware. I'm going to keep using Pro tools because that's what I know how to use, just like you described. But I'm not going to give more money to a company that believes that upgrading their system is putting 5 channels in a folder...
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
well said
@keeranimal82 жыл бұрын
Avid is like the dealer, Protools is the crack…they got us hooked and now wanna try to charge us double for the same fix…
@andyfreeze40722 жыл бұрын
you will be surprised how easy it is to jump ship and learn a few extra things.
@kelvinfunkner Жыл бұрын
hey bro, I TOTALLY feel your pain. Not sure what's up with creator companies starting with the letter "A", but the recent shenanigans of Apple, Avid and Adobe made us switch our entire facility over to Windows running Reaper and Davinci Resolve....and it's been absolutely amazing! And that's from a die hard Mac user running Pro Tools for 20+years! I started way back on 5.3.2 LE with a Digi 002 and have been loyal through all the hardware and software iterations....spent over 61k on cards, 192's, PRE's Midi I/O and peripherals not to mention the insane cost of computers throughout the years...finally bailed and am NEVER looking back...the first time I instantiated 4000 tracks in a Reaper session in less than a single second with my cpu sitting at less than 3 percent, I was sold lol...
@ruckusamongus2 жыл бұрын
As a studio one user since 2012 artist, and now professional 5, I can fully recommend studio one.
@pascalmerschaudio2 жыл бұрын
me too ;) Studio One is great and is fast
@ryKirwan12 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong about your reaction. You are 100% correct. Avid can, and should do better.
@lucenglish61412 жыл бұрын
Hey Jeremy, I’m an intermediate Logic Pro user but was also taught pro tools in a course and found that Logic was quicker and faster than pro tools from personal preference. It could be different for someone of your skill level but I find Logic to be a really great solution to your problem here as it’s a one fee payment then it’s all yours. I’ve also heard great things about reaper and seen some pros talk great things of Luna. I’ve personally not understood the stigma of pro tools being ‘industry standard’ anymore with the amount of great DAW’s around now, nevertheless I’m really interested to see which avenue you take in this situation! :)
@LeChapeauMusic2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Logic is quite cool
@derrickmickle54912 жыл бұрын
Been a Logic Pro user for almost two decades. Gave Pro Tools a serious go a few years ago, but things in Logic are just more...logical. Plus the seamless integration with GarageBand means I have a portable studio on my phone or tablet, with me wherever I go.
@JohnGauge7902 жыл бұрын
Moved to Logic a few years ago and never looked back. PT is bloated code and is perpetually out of date.
@ChocolatePuppies2 жыл бұрын
I find that a big issue with a lot of companies is that they outsource a lot of their support calls to overseas companies. It is sooooo difficult to communicate and understand what they are saying at times and vice versa, making troubleshooting issues that much more difficult. Thank you for posting this and just like I’ve seen others in the comment say Reaper might be the way to go!
@danymalsound2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it sounds like she's not even a user of the product and just reading off a script to try and satisfy his inquiry... ugh!
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long. Sounds like this is a good time to switch over.
@danymalsound2 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderstuartpetty485 depending on what we define as the "industry," it'll never take over, simply because Post houses and dub stages would never use it. They need the networking and server abilities that Avid has designed and implemented for them. If anyone knows different, I'm all for being educated. Cheers!
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
@@danymalsoundTime will tell. Guess we'll see.
@The1Composer2 жыл бұрын
Go with Studio One 5. Made the switch a few years ago bcuz of this subscription nonsense. Way happier with S1-5. Although I wish I didn't have to make the switch. Also you can use Pro Tools key commands in Studio One so the transition will be really smooth and easy
@RoryButlerMusic2 жыл бұрын
Having been in a customer service role before, you are the ideal example of a disgruntled customer. With frustrations but clear, understanding and genuinely just trying to get to the bottom of it. Kudos for that. Pro tools are definitely painting themselves into a corner. With younger music folk the DAW wars are logic, FL and ableton now. Pro tools are becoming a bit more outdated in a lot of younger eyes so it feels like they're punishing their current user base who, like you say, are a bit stuck in the ecosystem due to having the hardware and feeling confident in their work flow. That or they're abusing their position as "industry standard" to bump prices. I know that I couldn't justify those kind of cost increases so soon I'm sure a lot of smaller studios are going to have their hands forced. I always feel fortunate having settled into Reaper as they seem great developers who fix problems super quick and are famously super low in cost...but now I do struggle to jump to other DAWs, got a mixing session later on a Logic project and I'm worried I'll look unprofessional 😂
@michaelclover91862 жыл бұрын
Been a commercial studio since the early 90s. Tape based. Started using protools when the new Session8 hardware came out in the mid 90s. Then thru TDMs, Digi 002, mbox for various rooms. Then went to Apogee hardware but gave up on Avid 4 years ago. While I’m very comfortable with using PT, their company philosophy is shit now. Switched to Logic, Harrison, Final Cut (video). Interesting times in the DAW world
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
It just sucks all around…
@michaelclover91862 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser Yes it does. I don’t understand the mentality at Avid any more. I’m old enough to remember getting straight thru to tech support. With a human answering the call. I have to agree with you that Avid has been less than up front in their marketing and policies now. btw: I’m in southern Indiana
@kihoalurocks2 жыл бұрын
This is why I don’t do subscription models. I chose Reaper for that reason. Buy it once and it just works. If I don’t want to do updates I’m not required to just to make it work. With that said I am not a professional studio, my studio is just for the enjoyment of my musician friends.
@markdrury74832 жыл бұрын
After being a ProTools user since the DIGI001 and buying every version up to PT12, I switched to Logic 5 years ago when I changed from PC to Mac. It was a simple cost based decision. Pay hundreds a year for PT, or a once only $360 for Logic. Took me about a month of use to get up to speed, and then my workflow was just as fast as with PT. I’m speaking from a basic home studio perspective of course. YMMV as a professional studio.
@madness85562 жыл бұрын
I've been using Protools for audio editing and Logic for midi and softsynths for over 20 years and have never been able to get into Logic's audio editing. How do you find using Logic for audio editing after being a long time Protools user? Is it doable without having a nervous breakdown?
@markdrury74832 жыл бұрын
@@madness8556 was a learning curve for sure, but it does everything I need it to
@foxrobynrec2 жыл бұрын
I jumped ship on Avid and went to Logic Pro X and have been super happy. I do also have a copy of Presonus Studio One and like it too. I just feel Logic Pro just fits my setup better.
@JDnDargo2 жыл бұрын
+1 for Presonus Studio One. Been using it since Vers. 2.5 and the entire ride has been a blast.
@Nasterbator2 жыл бұрын
Quit using protools back when Studio one v2 my self. I absolutely love presonus. Helped too that you can set it to a Protools Workspace
@sethwhite34242 жыл бұрын
AND he can use all of his PT keyboard shortcuts!
@JDnDargo2 жыл бұрын
@@sethwhite3424 i would encourage wrapping your head around macros though... so much power in there... but yeah, having pro tools key commands could make the transition easier. but then i agree with one of the other comments here, to just go the extra mile and learn S1 the way it was developed... either way, i would switch to S1 for a ton of reasons...
@torgenxblazterzoid2 жыл бұрын
One more
@djdonjulio44612 жыл бұрын
Honestly, aside from surround mixing, Studio one is pretty much what protools should have been by now.
@amdenis Жыл бұрын
Used ProTools since it was just a sequencer in the ‘80’s. Have had studios for 20+ years, present studio is about 4,000 sq foot with over $3 mil in gear and improvements. We only use ProTools for the rare project that the client necessitates it- only once since CoVID about 3 years ago. We use Pyramix (for DSD) and Reaper for everything else. Productivity and capability gains are far beyond PT, and the stability and scalability are so far beyond ProTools as well.
@DonDouglass2 жыл бұрын
I have been using Studio One for years now. Started using Sphere over a year ago. I have no issues thus far. Well worth it for my needs.
@Ultimate_Wasabi2 жыл бұрын
You can always change the shortcuts in Studio One to match what you know; though it is probably better to learn the software in its default config.
@oinkooink2 жыл бұрын
You can pretty much forget about Studio One. They have already introduced their Sphere...you will own nothing, live in the pod and eat the bugs, model where you rent their slop. The Sphere model simply greases the wheels for full subscription Studio One DAW down the road. They'll all go this way eventually. Eat the bugs. Live in the pod. Own nothing. Get your injections. Wear the mask. Roll over. Fetch. Jump through the hoop. Good boy.
@Ultimate_Wasabi2 жыл бұрын
@@oinkooink Then don't subscribe. I refuse to use subscription based software. Avid seems to have pulled back their plan. I guess sales weren't what they expected.
@oinkooink2 жыл бұрын
@@Ultimate_Wasabi Did you read what I wrote?
@roberto1718h2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I understand your problem with Avid, I had the same problem with them. They did the same thing to me, and my solution was F Avid and I went to Presonus studio one professional and feel so much better. You should try it, good luck.
@jboulware2 жыл бұрын
Switched to Studio One a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. Love it. You won't be disappointed.
@paddyclint2 жыл бұрын
I love how polite you remain. I would have been going full Karen by 30 mins in
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I mean I was mad. But it wasn’t her fault.
@paddyclint2 жыл бұрын
You're a better man than I :)
@CAROLINABACKYARD2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if i can be entitled to be a Karen also. I was mad just waiting with you. I know for a fact I would’ve went Quanesha on her.
@Stratocasterjack2 жыл бұрын
I got dinked out of a full year of updates with my student license. You are supposed to get 4 years, but they changed to a subscription model about 8 years ago and wouldn't grandfather me into a year of it. Switched to Studio One. Haven't looked back.,
@bobmccarroll78762 жыл бұрын
I feel for you. Dante/Focusrite Red/StudioOne on an Apple M1 makes for a wonderful setup.
@MrBombhouserec2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry this happened to you, I’ve been a PT user since 2002. Left the HD world 2 years ago. I switched to Luna and Apollos for low latency tracking. Love mixing in Luna. Drum editing in Luna is solid too.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
Ok so coming from HD and going back to apollos. Does it integrate with say headphone mixes and IO easily like HD did? That’s the bummer In switching. Dealing with an intermediary app mixer to work io to and from the daw
@MrBombhouserec2 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser I am not loyal to any daw...BUT Luna's hot keys match PT ,it feels familiar and easy to pick up. i use the Behringer Power Play 16 system with mine. I can send a stereo source and 4 mono sources....you can send more with multiple apollos. This works well for me. I switched from an Avid 8x8x8 . I have had no issues. The Latency is low and Luna has been super stable for me.
@alexreverberi2 жыл бұрын
been on PT since version 4 and I switched to Luna as well for the same exact reasons
@klangblut2 жыл бұрын
UA is from my point of view no option. Feels the same asAVID ;-) Ask them if they are compatible with M1 Chips from Apple :( I hear the same answer since 1.5 years
@MrBombhouserec2 жыл бұрын
@@klangblut I am using Luna on a brand new 16 inch MacBook M1 Pro chip...no problems here. PT is not native either fyi. Both have business practices I don't love however if I had to pick the lesser of 2 evils I would go UA. I gave Avid over 20 years....Their focus is not on the pro audio market.
@peevee6052 жыл бұрын
I would recommend Reaper over Studio One. Way more stable system, frequent updates, better code.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long.
@peevee6052 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderstuartpetty485 I believe that, you’re right.
@sylastial2 жыл бұрын
make the switch . you will never look back . Head Ache Avid "inDiStRy sTaNdEr" < Studio one or any other DAW Learning Curve.
@eman08282 жыл бұрын
I have been using studio one since version 2. Neve had any stability issues. It's very intuitive, with a modern sleek gui and loads of tools that you just don't get with reaper though.
@peevee6052 жыл бұрын
@@eman0828 good for you. My experience has been the opposite. While I prefer the Gui of SO, I prefer everything else about Reaper. But to each, their own.
@Thomas06612 жыл бұрын
Dear friend I have never met. I was in the same shoes as you a couple og years ago. I bought Pro Tools 9.0 retail, and was able to use it until 12 came out. I bought that. And later they killed that too. I HAD to buy yearly or monthly. No thank you AVID. Hate to say this. But, It took me a long time. But finally I divorced the AVID family. Today, I am all Studio One. Bought the PRO, and I love the way this system works, No subscription, no bul**** One time buy, and you are all set. Thank you! Best regards
@lesliepugh34832 жыл бұрын
Yes I questioned Avid back when yearly upgrade and support cost too much, and crashing was not solved by upgrading ver 10-11...I tried other demo DAWS.. Studio one 5 and reaper are good choices=no dongle...and that solved my problems!
@spencera.42232 жыл бұрын
I love Pro Tools, but the fact they are charging now 1k a year for Flex is mind blowing.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@JonnyCastle2 жыл бұрын
I’m a very happy LUNA user. Highly recommend you checking it out. A lot of the shortcuts you already know are baked into LUNA as well.
@ProAudioLessons2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a PT user for almost 20 years so I feel ya. I began dabbling in other DAWs several years back when Avid started making these changes. I still use PT about 60% of the time but the other 40 is in Studio One. IMO The switch from PT to S1 is really an easy transition. Easier than if you were looking to jump to Logic, for example. I think you’re onto something with the switch to Dante with S1. Pull the trigger, man! You won’t regret it!
@jamescave71022 жыл бұрын
I sold my Avid MTRX, sold my Avid Carbon. When I heard that I will never own a software that I spent so much money for. I'm glad that I never gave up on studio one and always has been updating it. Studio one is the best. I can run Studio one on 16 Sampl rate and hit the "Z", ZERO LATENCY... I'm using Antelope.
@tripwillie22 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your troubles, I currently use Studio 1pro but I'm considering going back to Reaper. I'm still in the learning process with S1and I do enjoy the relative easy learning curve BBBuuuuTTTT. Every DAW company has it's good & bad points. As a business owner, it should not be a hard choice. Do what's best for your family and then your business. You probably already knew that🤑 Cheers ! P.S. Really enjoy your channel !
@RobertSandifer2 жыл бұрын
I got so fed up with protools I ended up switching over to cubase. The main thing that kept me in protools was the editing, but the editing in the new cubase is super solid. Editing drums is soooooo much easier.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I do like what cubase can do from what I've seen
@RobertSandifer2 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser Yeah I still reach for pro tools shortcuts from time to time, but that's expected since I was using protools for close to a decade, but I'm crazy happy with it. I was super scared to make the move but the features in Cubase were close enough to everything that I used in protools. Import session data and editing drums was a huge thing. Also the built in tuning with Cubase is solid and a program like vocalign is built it which rules.
@LeChapeauMusic2 жыл бұрын
Cubase is the best DAW
@needsLITHIUM2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the best options for DAWs on Mac OS are Apple Logic Pro, BitWig Studio, Cockos Reaper, Tracktion Waveform, PreSonus Studio One, and Harrison Consoles Mixbus, in no particular order, and solely based off of either my experience with the software or the praises of others.
@papa_da_engineer2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Been using pt since le8. I wish more creators like yourself would make videos like this. I'm a big fan of Dave pensado, and I'm convinced if he said something like this it would change pretty quick, maybe I'm crazy lol
@jackweiss74412 жыл бұрын
I agree. As someone in the audio post production field, protools is REQUIRED for a lot of work. I want them to do better and feel the only way they would do that is if there's a large volume of people who don't just look at an avid news post and shrug their shoulders, but instead get up and say something.
@bradbloom56492 жыл бұрын
I got the same impression of trying to be tricked/lied to/lying through omission & am looking elsewhere at what the options are as well. When you said one thing you really like is the low latency. I suggest taking a look at RME + their TotalMix FX. No latency and rock solid. Update: to answer your question of “who is this for?” The shareholder/investor class that only cares about one thing: maximizing their profit at any/all cost. Literally zero care given for the audio community, much in the same way they’ll demolish actual literal communities if they think they can hoard even a few extra dollars by building a luxury high-rise that sits half empty. It’s all an Excel spreadsheet to them with consideration for the long-term reaching only as far as the next fiscal quarter.
@hauntedbytheliving11752 жыл бұрын
I had almost the same EXACT experience/phone call and spoke to all my engineer friends about everything you’re talking about… this was a great thing to document! Thank you
@namebrandbeatz2 жыл бұрын
Im so glad i dont have to deal with Avid. I started my production journey with an Mbox and i always had all kinds of problems even way back then. I have since switched to using Ableton and Luna. They cover all my needs and my apollos deal with latency beautifully. Universal Audio and Ableton have great customer service as well. A few years ago i tried protools again to see if i might switch back. But it was such a pain in the ass just to get it installed and working right and im on Mac. That was the deal breaker.
@hithere42892 жыл бұрын
hello fellow ableton user :3 its good to know that so many people are actually using it as well. I tried pro tools once and didnt last 30 minutes before uninstalling it forever
@Infinighost2 жыл бұрын
I've finally cut the cord with Avid and switched to Bitwig. The only thing I miss is editing/warping audio the way I was accustomed to. Otherwise, Bitwig is so much more FUN to use.
2 жыл бұрын
"… even LOGIC…" LOL - thanks for sharing this. I do love holding these big companies accountable.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I didn't mean it negatively... its just how it came out in the moment
2 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser Oh for sure - just gave me a little chuckle during this whole thing you went through.
@MrNEWDY2 жыл бұрын
Ditched pro tools on version 8, 9hd wasn't happening for me, made a bit of a journey and have for the last 11 years have been a reaper user primarily. Last few years I haven't really missed anything avid has to offer cuz cockos either baked the features into reaper already or there's a script that does the thing.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long.
@AudioMuttStudios2 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are absolutely right. Someone commented on one of my vids that Avid just switched them from perpetual to subscription without notifying them. Most of the pro Avid discussions that I have read in this similar situation have stated that the new Flex option is geared towards large post-production houses and that Studio has everything a music production studio would need. In theory, the pricing for Studio subscriptions is now around $300 I think. Right between the previous cost for renewing standard ($200) and ultimate ($400). So smaller studios pay a little more and get more features, and bigger studios step down and pay a little less but have MOST of the tools they did with ultimate. BUT in order to use HD hardware you still have to have ultimate so I guess studios either pony up a grand a year or get new hardware that works with multiple platforms. AND if that subscription ever lapses you can no longer count on that software at least continuing to run off of a perpetual license to keep your business flowing until you can pay for an update plan. So predatory, and Idk if you watched the rollout webinar, but they have stated that Flex customers get a higher tier of support because big studios like Skywalker Sound and broadcast houses can't afford downtime. Everyone else receives lower quality support by design! They have started to backpedal a little bit, but only time will tell what really happens. Meanwhile, I'm evaluating other DAWs starting with Reaper then moving on to Studio 1. There is only one way to get a company that has grown too big for their britches to act responsibly to the consumer- make them report losses to their shareholders. Because that's where their loyalties lie- to the majority shareholders not the customer.
@avidjeffro2 жыл бұрын
>Avid just switched them from perpetual to subscription without notifying them< We haven't just switched users to subscription without notice or without them purchasing a Crossgrade, and there was a dialog you had to click through before you could purchase a Crossgrade that stated "you will be required to trade in your perpetual license." I can look into this if they can start a support case and you can provide the case #. Thanks!
@seanemmettfullerton2 жыл бұрын
yep... you are not alone, my friend. (sigh) I have not upgraded since 12.5 because I feel that THAT was about as good as it would get... I knew that their MIDI sucked and would never improve. I now use Reaper for MIDI :)
@jamorahcito2 жыл бұрын
ditto now using logic to write produce and midi and luna to record bands. feelin young and fun again... avid and adobe go to hell. protools 12.5 gathering dust in the corner. photoshop not even in the building. using affinity. blame it all on google. almost miss microsoft... goin nutz here. miss the days of 2inch tape to record, and listening to a cassette... uggh.
@seanemmettfullerton2 жыл бұрын
@@jamorahcito Cheers bro! Yeah, I hear you about tape...
@Luckeyj012 жыл бұрын
This is insane. As an upcoming engineer using this software this video has me wanting to find another DAW to use instead
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I don’t want to push anyone away. I’ve used it for almost 20 years… but if you have the option…. 🧐
@Luckeyj012 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser I get it, but man seeing this level of customer service for a product you’ve used as long as I’ve been living is insane!! I’ve been using PT since last October so I’m still new and haven’t fully learned it yet. I think this is my sign hahaha
@IanJamesBeats2 жыл бұрын
@@Luckeyj01 get ableton 11
@jeremiahmaryland2 жыл бұрын
Studio One is one of the best daw’s out there
@gokusupersaiajinblue4465 Жыл бұрын
Is one required to update in order to keep using pt once the program is updated? I'm asking because I just started using PT intro.
@JamesSteeleProjectVideos2 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain. I have used MOTU Digital Performer for years and like it quite a lot. Version 11 is really good. Last October I purchased a used perpetual license for what became “Pro Tools Studio” and have been dabbling with it, but all this craziness makes me want to just give it up and stay with DP which is also native for Apple Silicon now. I also feel sorry for the support person because she’s an offshore support person who probably didn’t even know what Studio One was when you mentioned it to her. Companies like Avid need to bring phone support back home from overseas with better trained personnel.
@AdventureswithJack4532 жыл бұрын
I use Harrison Mixbus 32c simply because it is the only DAW that has "The Sound". As I understand it, many ProTools users mix with Mixbus simply because it's better in their opinion. I also hear that Reaper is a great piece of software. ProTools users stick around simply because they seem scared to try some of the better alternatives. The market has changed in the last 20 years. Break the habit and move on to a better, less expensive option.
@HR26352 жыл бұрын
Harrison sounds good... but is a horrible DAW... sadly. Using Reaper.. with AirWindows Console8 plugins it sounds pretty much like Harrison.
@diresounds Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, sticking to Pro Tools is holding you back. As a 10-year Pro Tools user, the subscription bullsh*t made me switch to Reaper. My workflow got sooo much better and you can customize it almost however you like to make that transition easier.
@AaronOnAudio2 жыл бұрын
That's rough! I've been having tons of issues with Pro tools on my M1 lately and thinking about making the switch to Cubase.
@LeChapeauMusic2 жыл бұрын
Do it Cubase is great
@charlesrocks2 жыл бұрын
I just switched to Reaper. Fuck AVID.
@LeChapeauMusic2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesrocks I think overall REAPER is more handy as a software
@andyfreeze40722 жыл бұрын
@@LeChapeauMusic cubase is bloatware, reaper is minimal. Cubase has lots of bling, Reaper has little. I cut my teeth on cubase but its also from a time long ago, lol. Reaper everyday.
@LeChapeauMusic2 жыл бұрын
@@andyfreeze4072 oh you mean because of the samples and stuff. Well yeah I kinda agree but I really love the sounds even tho they need a lot of space. Cubase and Ableton Live are that type of DAWs that make sure that everything you need is included. And also, if you don't want to install all of that, you can just install the application and the basic instruments which is less than 10 GB.
@sickmessiah2 жыл бұрын
Happy to primarily use Studio One. Also had ARA , latency compensation through ping , and many other features before Pro Tools. I still have pro tools 2021. Meh.
@SoundForgeStudio2 жыл бұрын
I have been following your channel for a while and I truly appreciate the knowledge you carry and pass on to other like myself. So as you ha e dumped wisdom into me and my business and studio allow me to pass on some wisdom. I like many other jumped ship of pro tools and personally I have washed my hands of them. Since leaving that software behind I have moved into reaper and studio 1. Honestly for the level and quality of the product you can go wrong with either. They both have a small learning g curve as does anything in the studio world. Just wanted to help you out and im sorry your dealing with the mess your dealing with. If I had to pick between the 2. I would go with reaper, it's super solid is simple.
@nuttboxxx2 жыл бұрын
S1 has a 30 day try before you buy.. download it on another computer and try it out...it even has keyboard shortcut presets...just switch to PT shortcuts...S1 is a far superior daw . Most ppl stick with PT only because they've I vested alot of cash into it.. kinda like staying in a bad relationship 🤣🤣🤣🤣....get a divorce and remarry 🤗🤗🤗...just my thoughts man.....love your channel by the way
@charlesrocks2 жыл бұрын
I like LUNA but hate the fact that you are forced to use UAD interfaces which has subpar conversion. I'm currently learning Reaper and will be off of Avid by the end of the month.
@RecordingStudioLoser2 жыл бұрын
I’ll need to reach out to you then and talk workflow.
@Mcgiver6992 жыл бұрын
@@RecordingStudioLoser hey brother if you are thinking on changing to Reaper another goof option would be to message Jon Tiddy from Reaper Blog, Adam Steele who runs a professional studio based on Reaper or Kenny Gioia who's Reaper's oracle.
@jorgeh842 жыл бұрын
I started my music journey at 4 years old in 94, at 15 I knew that if I wanted to be a "pro" musician I needed to learn and have pro tools, took me 3 years to save enough money to buy my first 1 channel interface, I'm in México so here everything is twice expensive, I end up buying an maudio with pro tools LE, it was a dream come true to me, limited as hell but a dream... Then at 21 I bought an used mbox pro mini, a tiny little 2 channel blue box and an iMac, I was getting ready for buying my first full license of PT, at 23 after school and by doing low pay jobs and gambling money playing fifa games on Xbox I was able to buy my first PT11 license, I used the crap out of that thing, finished music school, learned PT inside out, build my own business, had a girlfriend, I was living the DREAM... sadly shit hit the fan... And oh my lord it did... in late 2019 I broke up with my GF, early 2020 at 30 years old, the pandemic started, lost almost all of my business and my Mac died, it was just to old, so I had money saved so I told my self "go big or go home" soy put together a monster of pc, new gear, and of course new license of PT, 2020 went by, 2021 was the eye opener, it didn't get much better, and PT by subscription was really eating a big chunk of my already low income, but I push through it and things got better but PT got more expensive, by the end of 2021 o decided that after 12 years I was leaving PT... I love PT but it just didn't worth it, without being able to buy a perpetual license and support, constantly crashing, that day I was really sad... So I made the switch to reaper, I love it and hate it, it does almost everything PT does, somethings even better, and even better new features! And I hate it coz is ugly af and it hangs with crazy large sessions with crazy routings, like folders inside folders inside folders haha and is not PT I miss it often, I miss the stock plugins like lo fi, vari fi, the stock compressor etc... But then I realized that reaper and PT are great for recording, editing, mixing, master, sound design, dubbing, automation (is better on PT but reaper has its own amazing features) but nether of them are crazy good to handle midi instruments, 0 MIDI FX, film scoring is hard, producing hybrid music audio and a bunch of midi is not imposible but cubase and ableton are miles ahead of reaper and PT, on both the score editors SUUUUUCK! So I think that the only neutral DAW is logic, I like logic but can't aford and don't want a Mac, so I figured out I would write produce on ableton or cubase and then mix on reaper or pro tools, I though to buy a perpetual license with out the support, but after this video and other stories I won't be buying PT again, probably never... Thanks for reading this hahaha Edit: probably PT is the worst breakup and the worst toxic relationship I ever had
@DM-hm4us2 жыл бұрын
You can customize the midi editor in reaper though. Maybe look into that. Might save you some money.
@greorg2 жыл бұрын
Same situation here, and same conclusion. I’ve been forcing myself to work some projects in logic and some in Luna to prepare to jump ship without drowning in work and learning while working. This is just another nail in the coffin. Would I like to continue working in PT? Of course I’m a ninja in PT but Avid has me going totally punk on them and their business model.
@michaelkatgerman1682 жыл бұрын
Just ridiculous how AVID helps their customers. Once had an M-Audio interface that always worked and AVID took over before Windows10 came and the interface didn't really work in windows anymore because it was no longer supported by AVID 😮💨
@madness85562 жыл бұрын
The same thing happened to me with my much loved M Audio C600 interface. I upgraded my MacOS and they had no updated drivers despite the fact that it was still a very recent M Audio product. I'm absolutely disgusted by Avid's blatant corporate greed and I've little doubt that they're breaking consumer rights laws in numerous countries!
@SHARt_murmur2 жыл бұрын
Dude, that sucks, but I appreciate you making a vid on it. Definitely worth making folks aware of this.
@timothysaxton8221 Жыл бұрын
I had a similar problem and moved to Studio 1 and transitioned effortlessly it was very simple and I will never look back.
@digidesignlover2 жыл бұрын
Hey man I said it before here. I gave up after being a 20 year Pro Tools user and moved to Reaper two years ago. I know you are still tied to PT god's because pro studios are still using it and it's still something people look for when selecting a studio but OMG I will never look back after switching.
@qomplex2 жыл бұрын
I switched to Reaper as my primary daily DAW. I still have many old projects in Pro Tools so I couldn’t completely cut the cord so I’m on the cheapest Pro Tools subscription plan.
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long.
@michaelharmon87312 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I too purchased PT Ultimate perpetual decades ago and have recently been paying the $400-ish annually for the support plan. I just checked my account and saw it was about to expire!!! If not for your video I would have had to shell out a boat load more money to get it back. Did I mention Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!
@jeffdombrowski47362 жыл бұрын
I switched from Pro Tools to Studio one back in 2018. They were bad back then and now with the forced subscription its even worse. I'm a dealer for avid and I somehow still manage to have to do tech support for people even though i don't use the software anymore. I have a direct line for someone there and they still can't even help me. I miss certain things about pro tools... However I feel like studio one has been easier to use, it doesn't crash. I feel like i'm more creative in it and its customizable. I have luna as well but I rarely ever use it.
@satch722 жыл бұрын
Sell your protools gear while there are still people who think it's worth it.
@lexadon10402 жыл бұрын
been a protools user over 10yrs, Left after protools 10 was done once they went subscription, best decision i've made thus far, this type of service is unacceptable especially if your paying a subscription.
@diminaband2 жыл бұрын
Bro, I’m in 100% agreement with you. And I use PT because I know it. I have literally done the same thing if googling other DAWs while on on hold with them lmao. Avid had done everything they can to mess with their loyal customers and have THE worst customer service of any company I’ve dealt with, not just audio related. And the fact that you need a subscription or pay a fee just to talk to someone about a general question or tech support, is insane to me. But they have us bent over a barrel because they know it’s “standard” software in the industry, but I don’t think they realize that other DAWs are quickly becoming more popular with the pros. They need to get it together!
@mr.e84322 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I quit ProTools and went to Reaper last year. As a small hobbyist, I didn’t even get support with my copy of ProTools. When I had an issue with ProTools which was often and by often I mean almost daily, I would have to spend hours on the Internet scrolling through forums trying to find a solution to the latest stupid issue. Numerous problems they would never fix. You’d just have to wait six months or a year until the next update came out and hope that they fixed whatever bug you were having. Reaper is updated constantly. I bought my copy a year ago and I think they’ve already had four or five updates.
@robertw18712 жыл бұрын
I’ve been migrating to Studio One, also have an audition of Reaper going, so happy I didn’t invest in the Carbon or HDX hardware last year… I’m nearly 100% convinced that Presonus is the new king…
@antcall67792 жыл бұрын
Go with studio one man! It’s hands down the best
@hlgrf88762 жыл бұрын
I came from PT (non HD, did the low latency thing with an Apollo) and then tried Studio One. It has a lot of features and made PT look "old" in so many ways, but I couldn't stand the workflow and the cluttered interface. Now I'm on LUNA. It feels way more like Pro Tools. But it has some drawbacks. There is still some features missing (some of them crucial, like "Import Session Data") and the routing options are quite limited for a HD guy. The latency free monitoring can be 4 stereo (or 8 mono) and nothing more. But I accept these drawbacks, hope for some new features and I'm happy not to pay AVID anymore. Also loved the product, but not the company. I always had the feeling I'm getting ripped off.
@needsLITHIUM2 жыл бұрын
My first DAW was a pirated copy of Pro Tools M-Powered, admittedly, which I used with my M-Audio sound card. I later bought a copy of Sony Acid, and then when I was displeased with that I switched to Ardour, the Open Source, cross platform DAW. I eventually ended up on Reaper, and then (kinda sorta) ended up back on Ardour, because of Harrison Mixbus being a mixed source variant of the same codebase, but only for mixing stems. I do bottom up mixing of individual busses in Reaper, then export stems of said busses and do top down mixing in Mixbus. I have been working that way since 2012 and have not looked back or had any major issues. I dabble in other DAW's here and there for shits and giggles, but always go back to what works.
@christianmartinez12 жыл бұрын
Reaper is coming for Avid’s soul. Can you believe I can do post production work on a 2014 i5 4Gb laptop in Reaper? Not kidding. System meters barely move.
@Sunkenballs122 жыл бұрын
Working with 40 track plus projects in logic and boom it overloads. No issues like this in reaper?
@christianmartinez12 жыл бұрын
@@Sunkenballs12 nope. Of course I’ve never benchmarked my laptop but I know it’s not that powerful. Your mileage may vary obviously but I challenge you to try it for a month and see if you like it.;)
@dali_bass2 жыл бұрын
Two words for you: "Cubase rules!!!" You can thank me later :)
@natcoziay2 жыл бұрын
Pro Tools WAS my main DAW for years, and I switched to Studio One months ago. Even though I knew Pro Tools, I decided to jump ship and learn another DAW. Pro Tools pricing plan is out of control. Good luck!
@Justin_Allen2 жыл бұрын
Because I watched your video I looked for others. I am blown away about how many short videos Avid has put out over the last 30 days. Almost like they were trying to push any other videos with "ProTools" in the title away.
@nathanielbrice87252 жыл бұрын
Sorry you had to go through that! There are other good options for DAWS so you’ll be sorted if you move. I use Logic Pro but have heard nothing but great things about Reaper. Would love to see if AVID respond to you and please make a video if you do!
@alexanderstuartpetty4852 жыл бұрын
Reaper will likely be the new industry standard before long. Sounds like this is a good time to switch over.
@assshakerstudios5492 жыл бұрын
Now I'm at the end of the video, so pissed off, because I remember them pulling this same shit with me and literally trying to trick me into paying double, even though I had a perpetual license as well!
@mcal272 жыл бұрын
I only keep a ProTools licence because alot of my Pro clients use it, and I need it to check for compatibility etc. But for my own work, like many I switched to reaper. It’s the way forward.
@joshuakincheloe2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving my logic workflow, but Pro Tools will always be my favorite audio editor. It's fast and I went through what you're going through and every February I get charged now after moving to the subscription system. They're just doing a bad job of explaining it. I recommend that you just call sweet water and they will help you better since I believe the perpetual license crossgrade is it's own product.
@DuceIRae2 жыл бұрын
Honestly wouldn't suprize me if at some point Avid faces a class action lawsuit. Just over the perpetual license...
@CorwynsWorld2 жыл бұрын
I've been planning on switching to Cubase from PT for the past few months. And every day my decision is being affirmed by videos like this. Sucks that you had to deal with this, but thank you so much for sharing your experience
@soundsauce6532 жыл бұрын
I admire your ability to speak calmly in this situation. Will you teach me this art?
@joeyboswell96442 жыл бұрын
Switched our studios over Cubase, WaveLab Pro and Dante last year. Done with PT