DEATH METAL THEN VS. NOW feat. TheSuffocater! Old School vs. Modern Death Metal (2022) Riff Battle

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2 жыл бұрын

In this very special installment of the Then Vs. Now series, I am joined by the riff battle legend himself TheSuffocater! I could think of noone better to represent the Old School Death Metal side of this battle.
When it first emerged, the extreme nature and violent or even overtly Satanic imagery of death metal was truly shocking: nothing like it had been heard before. While some of the shock value may have dulled over time, bands have continued to push the limits to try and create the heaviest music possible, with no concern for mainstream acceptance. Have they succeeded? Or was old school death metal the best? As always, you be the judge and let us know in the comments!
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@TheSuffocater 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Thomas , thanks for having me as the Old School guy :) You are a hell of a guitarist !

@kirisutegomen12 2 жыл бұрын

The man, the legend 🤘🏼

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

It was an honor! One of my inspirations for the riff battle format, very exciting to have you on a video 🤘

@northstarz1125 2 жыл бұрын

Ur both amazing my brothers in metal!!!

@souliss 2 жыл бұрын

This was a shower thought of mine about two weeks ago so thank you! Also... stay out of my shower please... disgusting...

@Ronnie_GT1000 2 жыл бұрын

You're certainly one of my favorite metal youtube guitarists out there man! Keep it up, and I like your collection of guitars too!

@GabAssbreaker 2 жыл бұрын

Old School Death Metal is the best music ever made, modern Death Metal is amazing in its own right but the old, vintage Death Metal sound is the thing i love the most. Props to both players, you guys rocks!

@malteadotas4 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. The technicality of modern Death Metal is incredible, but it's also less memorable IMO. I enjoy both but those old school riffs get me going every time.

@MegaDuanra 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@GabAssbreaker 2 жыл бұрын

@@malteadotas4 yeah its hard sometimes to recognize what band you are listening nowadays (soo many great bands in these days), yet i always can tell appart Suffocation from Incantation, and Incantation from Immolation despite how similar the bands names are, just for how iconic Is the music of any of those bands

@malteadotas4 2 жыл бұрын

@@GabAssbreaker exactly! and the sound.Each band is very unique, they are so recognizable. \m/

@kylepardueish 5 ай бұрын

@@malteadotas4 there's basically no such thing as tech death anymore. All death metal is pretty technical now

@osamabinlaggin69 2 жыл бұрын

Love how it doesn’t matter whether the metal is old or new, the warlock is timeless.

@phantomechelon3628 Жыл бұрын

Still the most metal guitar ever made IMO.

@m-paws3788 7 ай бұрын

just had mine customized tooooo . me is most proud 😸

@timothyjewell9642 10 ай бұрын

Seeing "old school" being applied to albums that came out when I was a teenager (I'm 33 now), like Bolt Thrower "Those Once Loyal", is such a trip. Old school will never not mean bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Suffocation, etc. \m/

@itscorvid358 Ай бұрын

Those Once Loyal definitely isn't an old school album considering it came out in 2005, but it was probably included because Bolt Thrower are an old school band who released their first album in 1988

@timothyjewell9642 Ай бұрын

True that! I mean, 2005 was 19 years ago, though. To a kid just getting into metal, that probably DOES seem pretty old school - it’d be like me listening to “Reign In Blood” in 2005 and thinking that it was old school (which it definitely felt like at the time)

@VeritabIlIti Жыл бұрын

Is no one gonna talk about how amazing that Archspire bit was? Such precision, and definitely at full tempo! 😂 keep up the good work, lads

@Knocker420 2 жыл бұрын

That was a f**kin sick collab! Awesome tracks and awesome shreds from Thomas Hogue and TheSuffocater! Let's keep this going, guys. Please!!

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! I have done some of these before but not in awhile. Any bands you are thinking of?

@i-never-look-at-replies-lol 2 жыл бұрын

Older ftw. Honestly without the vocals, the newer stuff sounds like it could fit in across several different modern metal genres. I expecting just a tonal difference, but there's more than that going on.

@d3th_2_all 7 ай бұрын

I feel like that’s because modern metal has a lot of integrating of other genres due to the broad spectrum of metal now

@mikerauter1859 2 жыл бұрын

TheSuffocater wins again! There's no school like the old school!

@marchanson169 2 жыл бұрын

It's all great. I do think that there is a little bit of tradeoff where the "evil" vibe diminishes in proportion to technicality. It's not a good or bad thing -- just a thing.

@redinthesky1 2 жыл бұрын

Great riff battle ! As impressive as Archspire is, (and I absolutely love their brand of Tech) there is no denying the infectious joy of 90s Deicide (Legion is king)

@cannibal666 2 жыл бұрын

🤘👹 HELL YEAH DECIDE💥

@davesiddons8921 2 жыл бұрын

Legion is death metal perfection, 29 minutes without a second wasted on fluff

@moonlightequilibrium 2 жыл бұрын

i usually lean towards modern death metal, but deicide has to be one of the best bands, period.

@phantomechelon3628 Жыл бұрын

For me it was remembering how much I love Obituary, Bolt Thrower and Death. But I guess we all have our favourites.

@HaasiAustria Жыл бұрын

Legion is one of the best metal albums ever! Deicide never came back to it's quality, but it's ok. Better they have one ever hammer album and a few good, than more good and no killer like Legion.

@driftthekaliyuga7502 2 жыл бұрын

Been listening to death metal for 25 years and I love it all. Lots of new bands with old school chops too these days. Shit, even cassettes are coming back.

@Metalandstuff 2 жыл бұрын

Something special whit Death Metal, old school , new ...its still Death Metal 🤘

@bloody-fire 2 жыл бұрын

this is really unexpected but so amazing collab! you really should do more videos together, cause this one is the fire!

@jasonvanwinkle2388 2 жыл бұрын

I knew Spiritual Healing before it played just by the finger placement 😁 can't beat old school Death Metal! I need to listen to more newer Death Metal, I'll take this as a recommendation!

@oifvet7487 2 жыл бұрын

I just can't really get into the newer stuff

@zannall2699 2 жыл бұрын

newer bands i'd recommend (besides rivers of nihil and archspire) include but are not limited to: Revocation, Jinjer, Brand of sacrifice, and if you are in a particular spicey mode paledusk. Slugdge is one of my favorites but I wouldn't consider them newer death metal.

@HaasiAustria Жыл бұрын

@@zannall2699 Do you know any instrumental death metal bands? My girlfriend would like it, but she hates growling. I know Blotted Science, but it's too much Jazz. I search classical old school death metal. Or trash metal.

@zannall2699 Жыл бұрын

@@HaasiAustria without harsh vocals you might be able too get her into heavy edm.

@HaasiAustria Жыл бұрын

@@zannall2699 Sorry, your message was deleted again. Do you wrote band names, that could violate any rules? 😀 I only could read your first lines in the message, you spent an hour for researching. Wow, you do that for a stranger, thanks! I found also something, will write it in another message. If it would be deleted.

@BigMuff75 2 жыл бұрын

After that song from Left Hand Path, that Decapitated Riff hits insanely hard... although imho over the course of the video the br00tal sound of the new stuff wears out pretty quickly and the old stuff is a lot more diverse.

@donovanrebbechi3334 2 жыл бұрын

I've really enjoyed TheSuffocater's videos. I would have liked to see Pestilence in the "Old School" mix but nice job overall. Though I'm an old school guy, Death Metal has come quite a long way in the last 30 years, as is apparent in this video. However, Chuck Schuldiner was way ahead of his time.

@zannall2699 2 жыл бұрын

mind reflections just hits so hard

@the_malefactor 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think a number of these newer songs illustrated the conservatism in death metal writing (eg Abysmal Dawn, Aborted, Cannibal Corpse). Of course, many of those also are pretty veteran bands.

@jbasti227 2 жыл бұрын

Never expected to see this collab but this was awesome, really enjoy both of your channels

@bigjohnsbigmetalshow18 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant, both of you.

@Thrasher_Abbatoir 2 жыл бұрын

Great track selection. Kudos to both of you!

@amineabouzaid9095 2 жыл бұрын

Just a great collab guys keep going !! We want more of you !

@97McLuvin 2 жыл бұрын

what an awesome vid Didn't know I wanted/needed you two to do something together until 5 minutes ago

@JonnyJungle77 2 жыл бұрын

That was awesome guys, really enjoyed it. Y'all are badass guitarists!

@zeigknoechelbruder 2 жыл бұрын

The collab i always wanted!

@jhin4158 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! You did a perfect job of showing the contrasts of modern and old school death metal by playing all these amazing riffs

@garrisonclark4793 2 жыл бұрын

Thomas so good to see the views reflect your amazing content, don't stop bro!

@-the-light 2 жыл бұрын

That was awesome!!!! Thank you guys!

@ChainsawChristmas 2 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness for content like this. Not a boring reaction or demo.

@Tyelkormoko 2 жыл бұрын

what an amazing combination! Two of my favourites, this is just too strong

@hegelian27 2 жыл бұрын

Great job to both of you! Man, I love that Rivers of Nihil riff. Such a fun one!

@d0nniebr00ke7 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss!! I asked a couple months ago, and now we receive!! Glad this worked out! Killer playing from you both

@kirisutegomen12 2 жыл бұрын

Great collab! 🤘🏼

@AutumnReaper23 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome collaboration!!! And there is no clear winner as both are just as amazing!

@josueguillen5053 2 жыл бұрын

Whoa hell of a collab! Good job guys

@onetakehoovie5955 2 жыл бұрын

Two of some of the best metal guitarist youtube creators collabing? I love it

@atlante4368 2 жыл бұрын

Great track selection. You guys rule!

@culturekiller86 6 ай бұрын

Nothing in the world will ever compare to old school death metal

@jennyprorock 2 жыл бұрын

Even have the old school warlock out...I salute your old school homage.. Awesome video. Good job guys.

@davegillett4304 2 жыл бұрын

Can this amazing collaboration spawn an original track ? Id smother the like button for that . Love this channel!

@rickbrunet2559 2 жыл бұрын

Great cola guys! You both are amazing guitarists! 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

@BalashToth 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. For me that Bolt Thrower riff slayed everything 😍 fucking menacing.

@cannibal666 2 жыл бұрын

DAM!!! What can I say u guys freaking shred awesome Collab great vid 💥🤘🤘👹💀⚡

@Jeffmetal42 2 жыл бұрын

killer video! I love all death metal, doesn't matter the school. I absolutely love the classics, but I also am a very big fan of a a lot of new stuff too. I'm as much part of the new school as much as I am the old school. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@egioch 2 жыл бұрын

Well, that was awesome!

@devildozer 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely one of my fav vids...f@*$ing sick as hell, I loved this collaboration guys!! Perfect guitar playing from both of you. Subscribed!!!!!!!

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@jon_halliwell 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video 🤘🤘🤘

@Popeye-xk5si 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff as always my man ,, 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@luisgoregonzalez7394 Жыл бұрын

Epic riffs! Amazing video! 🤩🤘🍻

@sunsetbarmartigny 2 жыл бұрын

That was great guys 🤘

@TheRealUncleBeef 10 ай бұрын

I hope yous get together more. That was exquisite

@danieldoncel7308 2 жыл бұрын

Love the featuring with suffocater! 💀🤘🏽

@Terrierized 2 жыл бұрын

Subbed mate ! Loved Suffy doing 'suffocation'!!

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't even notice that 😂 Thanks for the sub!

@TheeDangle Жыл бұрын

This selection of riffs from both of you are s teir. 11/10

@Benobot99 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video

@SingularityCSGO1 2 жыл бұрын

Man i just love every video you do! Sick collab bros, you guys are awesome!

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Love to hear it! Thanks for the support!

@FLOURISHFAMILYENT 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet collab 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@ChrisJones-yu9rz Жыл бұрын

That was an epic battle! I am more old-school oriented, so the one thing that would’ve made me happy is after you played Cannibal Corpse newer stuff? If the sufficator would’ve whipped out some thing from back in the 80s or 90s lol.

@lebarak69 2 жыл бұрын

You literally played my modern death playlist 1:1 impressive and good taste ;)

@johnfeidt238 Жыл бұрын

So stoked to see the epic Those Once Loyal riff

@clowncorpse7230 9 ай бұрын

Holy shit what an awesome video 😀

@MrTransmaterial 2 жыл бұрын

What about power metal then vs now? By the way, great channel, I love it!

@xMIRAKx 2 жыл бұрын

MIssed the opportunity to do Barnes CC and Corpsegrinder CC. The old school and new school warlocks were a nice touch.

@geraldrauch1701 2 жыл бұрын

awesome guys!!! all hail the Suffocater!!! my first time seeing you thomas, very well done brother...just subbed!!! cheers!!!

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, thanks for the sub and kind words!

@DOUGLASaraujosoares 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome feat

@argetect2847 Жыл бұрын

Now that's some good clean fun

@quasimodoshunchback 2 жыл бұрын

yessssssssssss this was so sick!!!!!!!1

@Mattalica-ss9pj 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it is because I am from "then" (I even saw Death on the Leprosy tour)😊but I prefer the Old School death stuff. The older stuff has more groove with the technicality (but is no less brutal) -- I also prefer the drumming in the OS death. I get bored with blast beats. That said, Rivers of Nihil have been one of my favourite new (progressive) death bands for a few years now.

@MoreGamingTeam Жыл бұрын

Check out BAEST

@AngelsINIDemonsCafe 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, for the enlighten knowledge from the dark.

@davidadolfoplacenciamontes5312 2 жыл бұрын

EPIC COLLAB

@MrSslam 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent guys. I spend quite some time watching both your channels. Cool making something together🖤🤟

@TheMetal750 2 жыл бұрын

This was awesome ple as ee do more collaborative together!

@TheStrykerProject 2 жыл бұрын

EPIC collab, gents! Throughout the video I was thinking, "I wonder if Archspire will make the list"...Last song? Archspire! And thanks for not hiding the fact y'all had to speed up the video!! 😆 (It was epic, nonetheless)

@lukash_zx9003 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. I’ve been waiting it for a ling time. Waiting for a progressive metal))

@zekt976 2 жыл бұрын

shit like this is how i have discovered like 90% of my new fav bands in the last year

@fartvader84yearsago8 2 жыл бұрын

I admire your commitment to rapidly age to do the old school part

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Anything for the fans

@nicolaswhult 2 жыл бұрын

Old school for the indesputable win. Great job both of you guys, excellent playing!

@FlyingSpaceOstrich 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Spiritual Healing is one of my favorite Death songs

@scoobybenguitars 2 жыл бұрын

Delightful!

@Pyropenguin10 Жыл бұрын

Was literally thinking "what if he had a guest? Would they be g/s'ed in?" Great keying job! It definitely couldn't have been easy!

@cynthiastarich6844 2 жыл бұрын

So freakin cool!!!

@jessicalynn835 2 жыл бұрын

oh I love the nearest Decapitated album. so groove, really cool \m/

@julitoalcazar1996 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, sick guitar tones in this video

@Jertsukka 2 жыл бұрын

those once loyal... 🥵🥵

@zannall2699 2 жыл бұрын

man you guys hit the fucking mark for new and old bands, rivers of nihil and archspire mwah. but the classics i expected were there death morbid angel and cannibal corpse.

@boot_912 5 ай бұрын

I listen to both. They're fucking awesome. Old is still gold.

@8Junio76 2 жыл бұрын

Subscribed 🤟🏻

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@Spiffelight 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah I loved this, oldschool got the feelgood vibes but modern for me got the chug you want, love both!

@Azzmelater 10 ай бұрын

The beautiful thing about metal is there’s no such thing as one is better both are legendary!

@bartekwas9791 2 жыл бұрын

cool to see this collab, great job guys! and hate top be that guy but just wanna say that modern dm scene is muchos more than technodeath and old bands dropping new stuff, there's massive OSDM revival rn and new wave of monke death which deserve way more attention than it gets, just saying. Still it was just sick, can't wait for more in the future, cheers.

@ThomasHogue 2 жыл бұрын

There is definitely a lot of variety in death metal today, I came across some of those bands like Gatecreeper in my research. I tried to pick bands that had more of a "modern" sound to show contrast (besides CC who I just wanted to feature in some way)

@michizer0 Жыл бұрын

Never understood how it s possible to play with your guitar on the right leg 😂. Great playing by the way!

@deathsquadrec 2 жыл бұрын

I was really hoping to see Rivers of NIhil on here, and I was not disappointed. most excellent

@jesussotomejia8978 2 жыл бұрын

Heyyyy gusta great battle gettingns from México

@Pitbull0669 Жыл бұрын

SUPER BADASS!

@JeffreydeKogel 2 жыл бұрын

Seeing and hearing you both play these kick-ass riffs was a treat! Although there's definitely a lot of good death metal being made to this day, I'll probably always prefer the old school stuff.

@tims 2 жыл бұрын

I need a Spotify playlist of these tunes!

@suicidewhitechapel23 2 жыл бұрын

What a fucking ending, ucking awesomeeee

@BadSensation 2 жыл бұрын

Death metal is just so fucking great that I love both the old school stuff and the new stuff. And everything in between. That genre will never become boring, stale or predictable.