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My favourite bug is still that you could put the game into windowed mode, shake the window and it would make you invincivle.

I was a huge crafter, I built a house during launch week that was showcased to other players in town with how many nice things it had inside. One day, my house was gone. All items in it were destroyed, all of my rent taken, and I had to buy the home again. Support said they couldn't do anything about it. I uninstalled and never looked back.

If one thing needs to be learned by this game for future mmorpg, its how good sound was especially when you hear people fighting or mining in the distance.

I quit within the first two weeks after I was banned because the enemy team mass reported our team and we got auto banned. Support said they couldn't do anything so i uninstalled, cancelled prime as that was the only reason I had it (I dont watch twitch), and pretend amazon itself doesnt exist. Hearing about the decline of the game definitely sparks joy in my life.

I forgot about New World entirely. It’s not only because New World died quickly. But even the swiftness of its death was suddenly outpaced by Battlefield 2042 and Babylon’s Fall.

The thing I hate about MMOs failing, especially big MMOs, is that it deters other companies from even bothering to try and slowly kills the genre. I think if the game just launched as a multiplayer survival game then it wouldn't have been such a blow to the genre as a whole.

You completely missed the fact that the countless duping exploits that were around completely shattered the economy and player trust especially when so many accounts were left untouched. That personally killed the game for me and many others

Great video, but it's kinda crazy to me that you didn't even mention the MASSIVE amount of bugs and exploits that were in this game. And how every time the developers would fix one, they would create many, many more. That was the reason I eventually quit after ~200 hours - I realized that the devs were incompetent and had literally no idea what they were doing or how to even code a game.

"New World felt like it was made in a vacuum, with no market research done" That seems to be modus operandi for all of Amazon's games

Amazon's attempts at breaking into games are an embodiment of "too much money, not enough sense". An object lesson on why you can't just drown all problems in money without knowing how to apply it.

Me and my friend group weren't even INTENDING on quitting the game! We took a break prior to the gold dupe as we got tired of the same quests over and over, and thought we would take a break and come back once they fixed their problems, or well, at least the bugs such as the money issue. But with each update, developers somehow made it worse, which pushed us further away. Everyone I have spoken to say they never intended on quitting, they just never logged back in again.. Not only the gold dupe, but the fact you had to sit in queue 8-12+ hours a day to get in does not help you retain players! Especially when you get to the front of the queue just for it to boot you to the back again.

Scot Lane dressed as the "how do you do, fellow kids" meme is so emblematic of this whole game. "How do you do, fellow MMO directors?"

A huge part of it's death was it's bugginess. The game had huge, game breaking bugs. It had three different invulnerability glitches that affected pvp, two item dupe glitches that destroyed the economy, unsanitized chat that allowed forced html expression, and more. It was game breakingly buggy.

I worked at Amazon and I almost got to work on support for the game, I was even trained as a specialist above every other support person (there'd be no one else to transfer to, not even a manager, I'd be last in line... except for the tickets I would send to actual developers) and as a forum moderator/support person but the training program was so scuffed and disorganized that they wasted my time and never called me to do the job (it wasn't an interview/hiring kind of thing, it was a voluntary temporary thing you just get to do and you can't mess it up and not get called), in fact, the whole training group I was in did not really get called to do their job like we were scheduled or meant to do. We got paid training and then barely got to actually work, some never taking like a single contact or task related to this and very shortly after we were just sent back to our previous jobs to never hear about New world or Amazon games again. We were promised copies of the game, we even had to make work accounts for it and we never received them either. The trainer disappeared immediately after the last training session was done, never to update the situation or say anything about it ever again. The training group just turned into our private space to talk about random videogame things where no one could really stop us as the trainer acted like he never knew us or was part of the group, then we got bored of it and started leaving it or just forgetting about it. I asked my manager (who has nothing to do with games, his branch is a million times away from that kind of stuff) what was up with the whole situation and he told me he would look around and tell me, he never did tell me anything. I can probably answer questions, it's not like I learned very confidential stuff either.

It's truly amazing to me that I only got 34 hours out of this "AAA" MMO that had a massive budget and I already have more time in a $20 indie game called V Rising that only released last week.

As someone who was one of the early beta testers allowed in, I had a lot of feedback and literally none of it was listened to. Amazon's failure is a product of its own ego. They're like an ADHD teen with an endless bank account.

this is one of the few games out of a 300+ library that i genuinely regret buying. at least with a small indie game, if you don't like it you supported someones work and dream. this was just dumping money into amazons lap and feeling like a scam.

Amazon: proving game development is harder than sending a man to space.

I spent so much time on this game, love the world and combat. I saw the player numbers dropping, I saw that there wasn't shit to do, but I was sticking with it. For me, the bugs were the straw. The bugs were so diverse, it didn't make any sense.

I personally think Amazon needs to take a couple years and make some single player games with multiplayer components. I feel like they don't know how to make a good game in general and starting with single player experiences to build a fanbase is better than rolling the dice on a multiplayer game.

I put almost 800 hours in this game and honestly had a great time but Amazon didn’t care enough to fix the issues they put bandaids on gaping wounds

You know this DoaG is serious when you got the special intro and thumbnail.

I absolutely hate what they did to the combat. Each iteration I played was worse than the last. It started as this really cool system with a lot of potential for methodical play. Timing attacks, using feints, back stabbing etc. But then they added skills which felt so pointless. Then they sped it all up, removed any commitment, made PvP into a joke, removed sprint, it just ruined a potentially cool system for the sake of making it more like WoW.

I played New World for the first six months. The graphics, sound, and music are fantastic, and I always felt like it had so much potential, but they really missed the mark when it comes to giving people a reason to play the game long term. I knew a few weeks in that there wasn't really anything that would keep people playing for an extended period of time, and the endless bugs and fixes that created more bugs just drove people away faster. I really want New World to succeed, but its probably too late at this point.

13:50 They probably went out there way to not hire anyone with MMO experience because the top brass probably didn't want someone trying to overrule their overall plan with the game. Its why fast food managers tend to avoid hiring people who have manager experience unless that's the position they're getting hired for

Amazon didn't know where to put the right people. They had Colin Johanson (former creative lead on Guild Wars 2) and had him work on Crucible.

It is simple -- they had a fun game, saw they didn't have "enough" game, then turned it into an unfun game to keep people around longer. It started as a play your way game and turned into a play our way game. I was really big into harvesting and crafting. They made it so you couldn't even wear what you made without it being scaled down because you didn't do enough forced gated content. IF they had just left well enough alone, and acknowledged that in a buy to play model, you got your money -- let people play your game and if they reach the end, let them take time off and buy the next content patch. Don't force them to do everything as time-gated dailies just to keep them on the servers.

I was just talking to my friend (while playing new world) saying that I bet the code behind the game is completely spaghetti code. BUT, the netcode in new world is actually unparalleled. I would like to know the background experience of the network engineer for this game. As far as I know, no MMO has been able to pull off the network model New World offers. I.E. Realtime projectiles, Interactable objects on large scale (all the bushes, trees, etc.), and localized enemy power scaling based on party members. These examples are extremely hard to produce in an MMO environment. Sharing data that is comparable to a zone locked instance like an FPS in an open world MMO is absolutely impressive. New World has some really dodgy code, but the network code is unmatched.

The actual idea behind the whole “history with a supernatural twist” thing (that even Babylon’s Fall had to an extent) is really cool. Too bad they seem to forget to make the world itself interesting outside of the concept, or at least not attach it to a poorly designed game. Honestly was one of if not the best thing going for New World but was absolutely wasted. I would love to see the same core world concept handled competently.

I do agree with nerd but I feel like you missed out on some key issues that plagued the game early. Like: 1. The several gold dupe bugs that caused deflation in the market 2. Buggy and abusable pvp. As in mass reporting someone from enemy faction ,the crouch healing or moving the game on widowed mode for invincibility 3. The loot system which made crafters irrelevant 4. The lack of big report system which led to people reporting bugs in the forum which in turn led to the bugs being abused on mass

The expertise is what killed it for me. After hundreds of hours grinding they throw in a new game mechanic that forced us to back track and to do hundreds of hours more just to get where we already at. That and any new friends we had join the game would take months if they ever caught up.

I miss the old film noir framing device, but the sticky gives me hope. It did help the channel stand out from others like it.

I'd love to see a rare counter series " the survival of a game " e.g. a game is dying or considered dead, but then is saved. like final fantasy 14's huge remake but for other games too.

Well well well, look how the tables have turned

I look at new world with some nostalgia as the experience of meeting and working together with new people was fun. Fighting in wars were exciting as you were literally carving your boarders. But eventually wars were happening way too often sometimes more than one a day. The expectation that key players needed to show up to every war was draining and made me quit the game.

It says a lot that mere months after launch, I saw so many people were drawing comparisons between New World and FFXIV 1.0, saying "just believe" or "they can remake the game to make it good". People need to realize that FFXIV was a one in a million opportunity for a dev team to basically redo an entire game, and another one in a million that it succeeded in the way that it did.

Looking at all the footage from the game, what a depressing waste of a tremendous amount of work. So many really nice assets, animations, vignettes, etc. I wish it could all find its way in to another better game, but I dont believe that happens often.

This examination is very good, but makes me very sad. I fell in love with the early alpha sandbox, and it hurt to watch it flail around seemingly misunderstanding every bit of feedback provided and turn into a truly subpar sandbox with myriad technical issues.

I got a 24 hour ban from New World for attacking a monster. How? Well the people around me didn't want me to attack the monster. So they mass-reported me. I was banned within 30 minutes. I appealed but the appeal was denied. I uninstalled the game and never went back. Now I know to never play any game made by Amazon

The crafting is great, but just about everything else was meh or worse. I told them a long time ago in the alpha or pre-alpha or whatever that the Azoth junk was a horrible idea. Back then you had to farm it with your guild holding an area with an Azoth mine thing on it. It was bad back then, it only got worse as development went on. I think the biggest problem is that they were chasing a genre. They changed what New World was 3 times during development. It was more like Rust when I first played it, then it was more like online Skyrim with bad quests and RP, then they added the battlegrounds. None of which were every fully fleshed out.

An MMO that has scored a DOAG in under a year of its initial release? Yikes. A lot of my old Planetside 2 mates tried shifting over to New World for a bit as a possibility to hop over to for when the game (PS2) inevitably dies. They jumped back into PS2 and ditched it altogether after less than two months.

Will you make a follow up on New Worlds almost resurrection?.

You're telling me a company infamous for atrocious working conditions hired people with absolutely no experience in the genre of their product? I'm so shocked. This is my shocked face.

The lack of experience on the team really explains a lot of the screw-ups they made. Things that even players were aware of from other games that shouldn't have shown back up in New World. What a trip this has been.

My big problem with New World and the massive red flag for me, was the radical change from hardcore loot full pvp to themepark pve, that cannot be made by the same people in such a short time and not be absolute garbage!!

I think gamers as a whole are far more understanding than given credit for. If the company would have tried to make a good effort to fix the most severe issues people would have happily waited. This game had good potential, its sad to see it die.

i keep being reminded of "New World" with these videos popping up in my Recommendations. ...and i forget about it just as fast after a day or two.

I do agree that New World most likely will not recover, however, I wish you had gotten into more details into the actual issues and systems within the game that caused the populations to decrease. Rather than just saying "End game PvE was bad". For example - Outpost Rush being unavailable at launch. Wars and pvp in general being very buggy/laggy and full of exploits. AGS deciding to completely shut down the market for days or even weeks due to exploits. Gear Score farm being extremely monotonous and grindy. Etc... Love the vids, just hope some more details can go into the post launch failures of the games.

Crazy how Amazon is one of the highest grossing companies in the world specifically one with a gaming presence yet they can't make a game to save their lives. Usually throwing money at something can't replace talent but these games keep seeming good but under funded

Seems to be gaining new wind now. Stable 40k per day.

I still remember people telling me how wrong I am for predicting the massive and loud crash of this game... And even though I was hoping that I was wrong...within merely 2 or so weeks...people agreed... and Amazon started killing the game rather quickly

Every time I think about playing New World again I remember one of the main missions bugged out and then I stop thinking about it. I really like the world, the combat systems, and the fact that you can level up by doing nothing but farming but then there is the rest which isn't enough to keep me around.

I was really hoping you'd cover all the glitches, bugs, dupes, bots, exploits, and hacks that IMO was the real game-killer. I was able to run around at 10,000% speed for months without anything being done about it, openly in front of other players, all because I died randomly one day out of bounds with a berserking buff active. Every patch opened up more glitches and even re-introduced old dupe methods that were fixed during beta. It's crazy how careless the devs were over such things. There was also no player support via tickets that wasn't automated, and so, so many people got improperly banned. People mass reporting company leaders before wars, the list is endless with the problems this game had.

Spoke too soon homie.

the best experience with an MMO that I had was playing EVE. The learning curve is immense but after some hours of playing. 19 years.

Hearing the "Double Helix" name made me remember how I hate Amazon for suddenly buying them when they are in the middle of developing of Season 2 for Killer Instinct. At least Iron Galaxy did a great job with Season 2 and 3.

When most people say they quit a game because of bugs I usually just dismiss them because that's just an easy scapegoat. This happens commonly in MMOs where people jump in thinking they're going to be a top player...then get owned and blame "bugs" for why they didn't like the game. New World however was legitimately the most buggy video game I've played...maybe ever? The bugs were so outrageous and ridiculous that they honestly added to the experience in a fucked up cynical way. Logging on to see the trade post down for the 8th time...a new dupe...permanent great axe speed...1 shots...all of it was just fucking hilarious. Peak New World was when I accidentally duped gold because my character was in a bugged state from a server transfer and I traded my friend. Amazon Game Studios has a $500,000,000 annual budget and this is the best they can come up with....

The music and atmosphere of this game were pretty brilliant though. That music already making me miss it a little.

Them putting an artist as a systems designer made me furious No wonder everything broke at slightest bit of pressure

What killed New World for me was the PVP sieges, and the extreme, almost absurd, number of hoops you had to jump through to be a part of one on my server. I entered the game with a guild that wanted to mainly take part in PVP, we took 2 regions the second they where unlocked, Everfall, and the swamp area to the Northeast. We where all encouraged to sign up for PVP sieges, and we all did, and on our server, it was a stalemate for a LONG time. Anyway, we started to notice that the same group of people kept getting picked for sieges, both defensive, and offensive when we could choose. Leadership quickly got accused of favoritism, but in their words "we want people who know what to do in the siege, since we are trying to have the best chance of winning" and they assured us they would start rotating people in and out so others could gain experience, which they never did. Eventually sign ups outside the core PVP siege group dried up, even sign ups from pubs and other guilds because it became no secret what they where doing. Other sieges that didn't include my guild where still overflowing. But if it came out the X guild was preforming the siege, nobody signed up with them. Eventually people from the siege group would miss sieges, or lose interest, and they literally had nobody to fill the holes, even in guild. They resorted to asking under leveled pubs to help they where so desperate, and when they lost Everfall the guild fell apart effectively. Nobody signed up for sieges, even the core PVP group was just a shadow of it's former self, nobody wanted to run PVP missions because there really wasn't a point, even if you got the siege maybe only 10-20 people would show up. I had left long before their fall from grace, when I effectively learned that no matter what I did, I wasn't going to be in a PVP or PVE siege, because of the circular logic of "You need to have PVP siege experience with the guild to be considered for a guild PVP siege, but to get PVP siege experience with the guild you need to be in a PVP siege led by the guild, that requires you have PVP siege experience to join".

The phone analogy is perfect because Amazon have literally done exactly what you described with their failed Fire Phone. The gimmick was that it could do 3D??!

this didnt age well

You gonna make a new "Return of a 'Dead Game'" video?

I never ran into a single bug with the 300+ hours i've spent in new world. which is weird. You wanna know why i quit? I logged in one day to have an ENTIRE guild quit, leave me as the leader and with 40k coins. with no message or reason as to why everyone left. The towns were empty too. just the day before it was busier. I had logged on to play with my friends and everyone...just suddenly...everything was empty and dead. like i logged into a ghost town. No friends. no reason to be online...so i said fuck it. and logged off and uninstalled the game. Never thought about going back. that was the very moment the game was dead to me. I loved the sound design the most. and the community. I was kind of depressed for a little bit when it died like that. i loved the game.

Played 400 hours and the first few weeks were a blast. Shame they screwed the economy and every patch was just whack-a-mole. The music and sound design was actually top tier.

So far Amazon seems to be a bad thing for the Industry instead of a boon. I can only imagine what seeing such a big name fail over and over can make other companies think about getting into gaming much less the MMO space.

after 2 weeks that I came back to the game, there's queue to get in and a lot of players started to come back, since they made Dg free to get in you don't need to grind for that anymore, also the big update coming on October with the new places, weapon, rework of multiple quest to make it easier, they also just added group finder for dg, they are currently forced to open new servers again, for my self playing since the game came out with a couple months break and 500 hours on it, I'm finally excited to play it once again with all the new players and new stuff coming, let's see for October, is the game finally will be bring back to life after the massive update that is promises, or are they going to fall even lower then they're now ? :D

Production quality has really gone up, well done!

When ff14 can say they’re bringing more content to an existing quest line and it brings excitement and hype to the community you know it’s questing done right… I’m glad I gave new world a miss…

You might be able to appreciate this. I was at the last Re:invent (AWS conference) and one of the keynotes was on New World and they talked about the AWS systems it was leveraging. At one point, they were talking about all the logging they were doing and how they could create a heat map that showed player activity. On the slide, they had a map but it wasn't New World, it was Darkfall. For me, new world has made me a little sad as they don't seem to have much of a direction and look to be chasing whatever they can to make the game popular. I have told myself i will return when greatsword comes out and give it another try.

After that talent pool run through on the team I’m amazed that it came out as good as it did.

I like that he says "What the next episode might be" but the subtitles say "What the next episode will be"

Honestly forgot about this game. Knew it’d flop with decisions like factions not being separated geographically. So many missed opportunities through passive decision making.

Turns out all Amazon had to do to have a successful MMO was buy the publishing rights of it from someone else, and even then they've kinda fucked up here and there (Lost Ark).

Personally, I do really enjoy playing it still. Apart from all the toxicity regarding pvp, wars and meta, you can have a lot of fun when u have a group of friends.

Fantastic video. Completely forgot about this game.

All this without even mentioning the absolute mess of bugs that completely broke the game economy to the point where players who stuck with the game are now decades ahead of where a new player could hope to be. New World is a game with no identity. A collage of ideas from four different genres, shuffled around under poor leadership with no directions. Its fall was predictable.

I never got a chance to experience this Trainwreck myself because I decided to not play it before Lost Ark was released. The game had lost solid 90% of its playerbase by then and I had heard very little good things about it so it was an easy pass for me at that point. I did that because Amazon delayed Lost ark just so New World would have a better chance to succeed and they had the balls to lie about "bug fixing" a game they literally cannot touch when it comes to coding because they're just regional publishers.

I feel if they went for that survival sandbox mmorpg to be something unique and actually interesting. Imagine a sandbox where you can fight world bosses with other players that can and might betray you or have huge sieges against other guilds kinda like conan

Congratulations on building your brand my guy. I remember the darkfall days 👀 😂

I genuinely think that new World should’ve taken inspiration from albion online to make what it had work, alot of the systems in albion could fit really nicely into the template that new World had going. But when they focused on pve they were instead trying to match square enix and blizzard, a losing battle really.

I want a Dark Souls MMO so bad, even a Destiny style souls game would be fantastic. New World was that for me in a way, but considering in 100+ hours of playtime I was only able to play 3 dungeons and participate in zero of the wars, and got bored of questing so I was just kinda stuck at level 40 repeating the same 3 dungeons until I lost interest. I believe it has the best combat system the mmo genre will see for a long time, and because of that I gotta hope they recover with some magical update.

I was here... On launch day sitting in Que forever... I committed alot of start time in this, truly was excited like I had been in past big name MMOs. Our wvw alliance in gw2 even rerallied forming a joint guild went in with 70+ people. So much potential. The grinding of quests and it being such a pve heavy game. Is why it died for us. Plus the continued exploits burned alot of players. For me it was the toxicity that spread in our guild due to these in game frustration. I play valhiem roleplay. So good

The problem with Amazon Games is the company is built as a business to capitalise on the games market, not out of passion for video games. They're making all the same mistakes with Lost Ark.

I think one of the biggest things for my friends and I was some of the game-breaking bugs, exploits, and dupes that seem to constantly plague the game again and again. Territory owners having ludicrous amounts of gold from exploits of simply starting and cancelling projects would just provide them free gold when trade was isolated and being able to lag out and crouch on defense points during war making their territory unconquerable was completely ludicrous. And there was more. A new dupe exploit each patch showed the devs learned nothing from fixing their last. An entire write up could be made of all the blunders exploit-wise the game had that were all just game breaking. The combat, as imbalanced as it was at times, played great. It's too bad there was a huge issue that took forever to fix patch after patch.

Game full of potential wasted spectacularly. Such a shame.

Just goes to show that an unlimited budget doesn't guarantee success. They tried to just brute force it without a real direction. Some other studios would die for a budget like that and would create amazing experiences.

I played from launch, and I have a deep history of MMO Experience, starting with EQ, beta/stress testing WoW, playing until Wrath, SWG, GW1&2, etc. I was telling everyone in my company that the game wouldn't last 6 months. They just had no clue what they were doing, or how to make systems that were fair, or enjoyable. That's saying nothing of all the completely ridiculous exploits they allowed to persist in the game for literal months. Duping, war lagging, the imbalance of money to certain trade hubs, combat bugs, skill issues... The list seriously could go on forever.

Correction: New World wasn't bricking 3090s, the batch of affected cards were subject to manufacturer error (Bad solder), New World was just the game most known for triggering the hardware failure due to an uncapped framerate in the main menu. Aside from the manufacturer error being confirmed by EVGA and a few other card manufacturers when affected cards were RMA'd, there were likely other games that had triggered the failure of affected cards that didn't get the massive amount of sensationalized traffic. Many 3000 series cards played New World just fine, including 3090s. It was exclusively cards affected by a manufacturer error that were bricked, as confirmed when EVGA released their diagnosis of the 3090s that had been RMA'd to them.

Love this series! Keep them coming

I have recently revisited NW as a returning player who was there for the launch. I spent 45 min running around gathering and did a quest or two in weaver’s fen, and had not seen a single player soul in the vicinity. FO76 at launch made you feel less lonely than New World does at this point in time in mid level zones. Places where you spawn are void of player life as well. 6 ppl in Weaver’s Fen town standing around doing nothing on US East server & 10-15 tops in Winsward on US West. The state of the game gave me the vibe of desperation and anguish.

The noob experience in New World was 10/10. After you leveled up and every item was being duped it turned bad

2400 hours in. From being part of successful guilds and dealing with server drama over game breaking issues. The game has constantly done nothing to help the retention problem/lack of content offered to players. When OPR was first introduced it was immediately taken down. The multiple duping bugs or weapon bugs that allowed territories to flip on servers which caused guild problems. From every moment the game is doing something to hurt it's player base and this is coming from someone who still plays and finds some small enjoyment still in it. PvP salt could have been something from the beginning that offered rewards instead of making flagging basically a useless skill. There is too much to go over from all the steps that were made wrong in development and development after release.

I have 382 hours on the game and it was sad to see the player count dwindle every week. When i first played the game, you have to wait for hours just to get into a server, sometimes the queue even reaches 300+ players. Back then, that fishing spot near Hermit's shrine at Windsward was always full of people, it sounded like a wet market because of all the ongoing trade, auctions, and open mic conversations. On the last few days of me playing, the only thing youll see there is a single afk bot, perpetually casting a fishing line. When the server merged for the 1st time, our company tried to recruit more active players but after just a few days, almost no one was active. Whats sad is that the last message in our discord server was "Where did everybody go?"

I'm still playing and love it. Do wars every few days. Play OPR and get open world fights. And now arenas. ALways people on and very active dueling scene. Fail to see how it's dead other than a bunch of people congratulating themselves for leaving and having not clue that the game went on without them.

Amazon Game Studios (AGS) needs a complete overhaul. They started by replacing Muzzini or whatever his name was. Dude has a resume in Logistics, and he's put in charge of digital game creation. To date, AGS has one (mobile) game that released successfully.

"Alright, we can just ditch the crappy phone analogy" I thought you were riffing on Bezos and the Fire Phone

It sounds like the game either never had or completely lost a creative vision that brought it development. It was too busy trying to make money with short sighted changes and lost track of what it was.

You might want to take a look at Elite Dangerous in the future. It is another game with great potential which was mismanaged so horribly that it alienated its core players and content creators.