Death of a Game: Suicide Squad - Kill the Justice League

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@nerdSlayerstudioss Ай бұрын

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@spcnym990 Ай бұрын

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@tranquility6789 Ай бұрын

DAGA KOTOWARU

@blackreign673 Ай бұрын

only language everyone needs to learn is AMERICAN

@davidnonya7359 Ай бұрын

you really think it is gorgeous looking? it is puke on screen! also thinking amanda waller did a good job voice acting? my ears are still bleeding!

@Marinealver Ай бұрын

I guess you didn't expect to make this video so soon. Victim: Helldivers 2 Cause if Death: Homicide Primary Suspect: SONY.

@blackhood7200 Ай бұрын

A game that was dead from the start.

@jonahhekmatyar Ай бұрын

You could even say it was a bit of a suicide mission

@blackhood7200 Ай бұрын

@@jonahhekmatyar indeed.

@kyotheman69 Ай бұрын

yep they shouldn't released this game it was DOA

@DinoDave150 Ай бұрын

I saw another comment that summarized it perfectly. "This game was born in a coffin."

@TurtleMan2023 Ай бұрын

The truth is, the game was dead from the start

@hieunguyenrileygekko Ай бұрын

Suicide Squad: Kill the Arkham Legacy

@ComicXanz Ай бұрын

Lived up to its name. Rocksteady really committed career suicide lol

@thatnerdjake Ай бұрын

It existing in the same universe as the Arkham games is the worst thing they could have done.

@jcrapirap Ай бұрын

WB really killed their biggest franchise with this game. Made the whole JL a joke being defeated by non-powered villains.

@thatnerdjake Ай бұрын

@@jcrapirap the wildest part to me is they just shot superman to death… the final boss and it was SUPERMAN

@Hugo_Tate Ай бұрын

and itself

@stinkbanana2522 Ай бұрын

They really thought people were going to grind this trash for hours and hours, then buy skins lmao

@jacktheripper7935 Ай бұрын

It's what every big videogame company's CEO thinks nowadays. Glad to see it keeps failing.

@cuddlecakes7153 Ай бұрын

people do it for Destiny so why wouldn't they for this. Honestly surprising it crashed with how dumb people are nowadays

@maltheri9833 Ай бұрын

@cuddlecakes7153 Content,variety and a ton of different events. Its more just shoot em up on a different map with a different gun slop but its an original IP with original content. Not a superhero shoot rm up with 4 enemies and just as much time needed to grind with a infintismal amount of content to do

@skylerfreeman1173 Ай бұрын

@@maltheri9833 people would 100% play it IF it had better/more content and enemies lol. Glad it failed tho

@njxwolverine2493 Ай бұрын

People still defend this game in the Reddit, but they’re mostly fanboys who larp about liking dc so much that they pretend to like a trash game, same thing happened with the delusional marvel game people

@Hevymin Ай бұрын

Poison Ivy's iconic Ice-Elemental Fire Axe...

@The_Punisher Ай бұрын

What? 😂

@roguegamer1251 Ай бұрын

⁠⁠⁠@@The_PunisherPoison Ivy’s iconic ice elemental fire axe.

@ineedit1772 Ай бұрын

Yep I think they were trying to be clever because fire burns plants and kills them and ice kill plants get it? or they forgot poison ivy’s main thing is poison it’s in her name for crying out loud 😂

@marrvynswillames4975 Ай бұрын

And the effect is bizarre. It's a meelee weapon, but it decrease meelee damage and increase ranged damage, but it also stop enemies from drop ammo, so what is it for?

@dominicarroyo6269 Ай бұрын

@@marrvynswillames4975because it was made my developers who never made a game like this with things like that in it. You'll always get that happen when you force devs who made single player games into multiplayer looter type games

@maxxpower3d6 Ай бұрын

Someone should do a wellness check on that Destructoid reviewer. Calling this game "well-written" is just not a thing healthy people say.

@spademagna2672 Ай бұрын

I wouldn't expect most game journos to know what good writing is.

@shai310 27 күн бұрын

Yeah, especially when the characters never shut the fuck up so you're forced to listen to them even when pausing.

@makedate9338 18 күн бұрын

Well paid

@Flaris 6 күн бұрын

Yeah, calling this well-written is just...wow. If this hits their standards for good writing I'll probably just avoid Destructoid reviews going forward. Their ability to discern quality writing clearly doesn't exist.

@KaimArgonarEyyyy Ай бұрын

"The writing is good, excellent even" journalists are useless

@TyrantWesker Ай бұрын

If journos say that, it actually just means the writing is aligned with their politics.

@CheeseChurger Ай бұрын

@@TyrantWesker I don't even think there is any real politics in this game to align with, it's most definitely because they were paid big money by the companies to give a good review.

@boogit9979 Ай бұрын

@@TyrantWeskersaw no allusion to any policy in this game. Tf are you talking about?

@calebbarnhouse496 Ай бұрын

@@CheeseChurger yea. Clearly it's just a coincidence that wonderland got tons of sympathy for her death while everyone else got mocked or killed offscreen

@sawdust8691 Ай бұрын

For real. In all honesty I haven't played this game. But having played the Arkham games years ago I was interested in it and looked into it. So I know the story. And hoo boy. I guess the writing can be good with some of the character acting and interactions, but it abysmally fails and sucks bad at everything that matters. The writing seems like trash with a few sprinkles on top to try and distract.

@nerobiblios4086 Ай бұрын

Idk how the writers of this game thought killing off Arkham Batman and the JL was a good idea. It's was so obviously going to be received poorly by everyone especially by Arkham fans. It's like shooting your foot off and then expecting to be able to run afterwards.

@nerdSlayerstudioss Ай бұрын

it works in a spinoff series, but video game series (canon especially) aren't viewed the same way IMO

@wilbo_baggins Ай бұрын

It wasn't just them being killed off but the way they went with it just made it feel like minor characters

@hammeredch Ай бұрын

I feel like they don't even care about DC lore or it's fan. They only care about give a massage that they hate superhero/hero

@zakanyimen Ай бұрын

Nah heroes die and resurected all the time. That is not a problem. It was just badly written.

@paulrasmussen8953 Ай бұрын

Sweet baby inc

@young5395 Ай бұрын

This is the fastest crash out in history and it's crazy Rocksteady thought they could give us this game, say its in the Arkham verse which we dominated over three games, and then they disrespect the very hero we loved. Honestly good riddance to this game, it doesn't exist in my mind. Long live the Arkham Trilogy.

@DaemonPrince Ай бұрын

warner brothers were the one to push the game actually, same people pushing Gotham Knights.

@keiichimorisato98 Ай бұрын

To be fair. Everyone who made Rocksteady what it was no longer work at the company. It's rocksteady in name only.

@QuanTrietLOL Ай бұрын

@@keiichimorisato98Just like Blizzard

@asideofsalt.6645 Ай бұрын

Being piloted by SBI

@kylemelo6921 Ай бұрын

@@QuanTrietLOL Or CDPR.!

@RatedB1 Ай бұрын

You cannot kill what was always dead

@Ashaira Ай бұрын

I think the saying is that you can't kill what was never alive to begin with.

@WhiplashSL Ай бұрын

Meanwhile, at D.C. Comics: INVEST IN MORE LIVE-SERVICE GAMES!!!

@tezwoacz Ай бұрын

as long as developement cost is like a piss in a bucket for those companies we will keep getting this kind of trash

@monumentvalley6681 Ай бұрын

Warner Bros, to be exact. They saw what a massive success Hogwarts Legacy was, and instead of making more of THAT, they have now confirmed that its sequel will also be live service...

@rd0676 19 күн бұрын

@@monumentvalley6681 with the IPs they own I am floored by how they’re not getting this. Like a sequel to hogwarts legacy or an rpg set in the game of thrones universe would just print money, but no.. just more mobile game trash

@flyingfish7787 9 күн бұрын

ACCELERATE ACCELERRAATTTEE

@usrevenge 6 күн бұрын

Good. As usual people on Reddit and KZfaq pretend live service is the issue but this game is bad because of the gameplay. Live service is almost never the issue for any game that fails. In fact it's usually the opposite. Live service can save a bad game. See no man sky or bf2042.

@neliaironwood7573 Ай бұрын

The fastest DOAG BTW was The Day Before. It came out December 7 while the Death of a Game came out 17 days later on the 24th. This was almost 3 months from its release back in February.

@nerdSlayerstudioss Ай бұрын

thanks for the fact check detective

@young5395 Ай бұрын

The real tragedy of this one is that it was a full blown AAA game from a beloved studio that immediately crashed out fr. And then they tried to gaslight the fans and tell them they're wrong ... 😮‍💨 What's happened to our game studios man?

@dumbmoveguy Ай бұрын

@young5395 Even our most beloved studios are slaves to their owners at the end of the day

@Ghost101 Ай бұрын

@@young5395 The problem like you, me and most gamers still thought the old talents were still there. This is not the case anymore when gamers start to realize it. You wouldn't believe me if I have told you that this is the same studio that created Urban Chaos: Riot Response (a great game btw) back in the PS2/Xbox era.

@warlockwod Ай бұрын

@@Ghost101its bizarre how the games industry wastes talent

@hokagab Ай бұрын

This game came out on life support.

@franzhopper7631 Ай бұрын

Then somebody tripped over the plug

@dictionarygoat9156 Ай бұрын

Its so funny that the Joker was supposed to be their ace in the hole and then he had genuinely one of my least favourite Joker designs I have ever seen

@CheeseChurger Ай бұрын

The Twinkler

@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo Ай бұрын

@@CheeseChurgerGlad that name is still going strong.

@jamesmorrison618 Ай бұрын

agree terrible Joker

@bu3584 Ай бұрын

@@CheeseChurgerJonkler*

@d.ink3d Ай бұрын

Thats not joker its the clown

@ToaArcan Ай бұрын

I'm really not even sure why they thought this was a good idea. In what world is the ideal next step for your superhero universe to A) Shoot Batman in the face, and B) introduce the whole Justice League ten minutes before they all get brainwashed into being evil and then kill them?

@kraosdadafusfus8034 Ай бұрын

Greed, plain and simple. And WB wants to fall on that hill.

@topcatfan Ай бұрын

@@kraosdadafusfus8034HOW DO THEY EVEN MAKE MONEY BY DOING THAT IT ISN'T EVEN GREEDY JUST STUPID

@DudeTheMighty 9 күн бұрын

At the risk of sounding like a schizo... It's on purpose. The people who are funding these projects don't want anyone to enjoy their slop. On the contrary, they want everyone who loved the older games and movies to feel defeated. The whole thing is a demoralization campaign.

@BrokenNoah Ай бұрын

Also: It's a Suicide Squad game. The team is known to be a meat-grinder for D-list villains and not Harley and Friends like what the movies might have conditioned people to expect. It should have had a bigger roster of disposable villains that was integrated into the gameplay and story somehow.

@Chadius Ай бұрын

X-COM but with villains would have worked so well.

@ace94d Ай бұрын

It'd be funny if they made a roguelike where you just positively chewed through Suicide Squad members lol

@PlebNC Ай бұрын

So like Helldivers but each soldier you respawn as is a unique playable villain. So Broforce but you're villains?

@jor4114 12 күн бұрын

@@ChadiusThat would have been the perfect way to adapt this group into a game, with more popular and powerful characters being unlockable as mission rewards or optional bosses. (Or DLCs because that's how the gaming market works nowadays.)

@ReverendLeRoux 9 күн бұрын

I mean.... No. The suicide squad, for the past like 20 years, has been about notorious villains.

@theevokeruser2356 Ай бұрын

I don't know how WB are going to continue the Arkham Verse after this. They killed off a lot of their potential main characters, and if they say its all just multiverse stuff then what was the point in killing them anyway? It was a terrible idea to begin with, and Rocksteady will be forever tarnished. I bet they could have made a good superman game instead, but instead we get this rubbish. What a waste of 9 years in between Arkham Knight and this.

@hansonlee5847 Ай бұрын

Well, the original guys leading and starting Rocksteady are now gone. So, Rocksteady's done for good

@monkaWGiga Ай бұрын

I'm betting they say all the heroes who died were actually clones so they can try and milk the Arkhamverse more in the future.

@Soraking007 Ай бұрын

Theres a theory with a ton of confirming parts that the justice league u fight are lesser clones of the league because brainiac couldnt fully control them so cloned each member to be under his control but their powers being lessened because they werent the original(a bit like how the justice league of jl 3000 where clones but didnt have their full power or had pale imitations of those powers) the flash losing a finger and later just having said finger back the fact brainiac put part of himself into a flash body for the final fight(yes thats actually the ending a rehashed flash fight but worse)

@animelytical8354 Ай бұрын

They'd start a new verse

@completelytransparent6320 Ай бұрын

NuRockstedi is dedi

@Roler42 Ай бұрын

This one is rather depressing... Not only because of this being Kevin Conroy's last role, but also the fact that this may very well torpedo Rocksteady's reputation for good, all that talent, such an amazing take on the DC universe, and... They decided to attach this cancer to it... I think the worst part is that this one is taking the worst aspects of the live service slop: Turning everything into a chore, hoping to turn this one game into a lifestyle game, or worse, a job... When this stuff starts to feel like a job, like you gotta plan your day around not missing the timed stuff or grinding for whatever crumbs of slop they are willing to give you, it's the moment whatever fun this game could be died in its tracks.

@Roler42 28 күн бұрын

@@marcusclark1339 You lost me at the imaginary boogeyman.

@SherlockZ_001 Ай бұрын

In regards to Kevin Conroy in this game: I suspect that he actually wanted to do this, mainly because lots of actors love getting to do alternate takes of characters they've done before (stretching creative muscles, so to speak.) However, the attachment isn't just to Conroy: this was the Batman fans had played as for 3 epic games, and a fourth good game in 'Origins'. There was nothing Epic about this death: it's just putting him out of his misery. That, just, HURTS. Thankfully, it looks like this isn't Conroy's last hurrah: he's listed as being in "Crisis of Infinite Earths, part 3". Hopefully, that will be the sendoff he deserves.

@Chadius Ай бұрын

Conroy & Hamill will make 1 more appearance in that movie. Conroy LOVED doing evil/corrupt Batmen. Batman TAS has 2, Justice League the cartoon has 1, he did some live action stuff in CW Flash...

@theverylastuser Ай бұрын

*pissing on a Flash after he unalived and commenting on dik size* "The writing is good, excellent even" - Destructoid. *Referring to a child as a "fun size"* "The writing is good, excellent even" - Destructoid. I hope he's fired.

@PlahaKumar 28 күн бұрын

This game is definitely going into DC comics hall of shame, alongside Teen titans go, Titans, Superhero girls, the CW verse, Batman and Robin, Superman 4, Injustice, the DCEU(at least the worst films there), Gotham Knights, the RWBY crossovers(no, I'm not kidding, those actually exist),and any infamously bad comics they made.

@PlahaKumar 28 күн бұрын

And another thing, I don't see how the game writing could ever be considered good.

@theverylastuser 27 күн бұрын

@@PlahaKumar Why not, some games have more interesting story then some movies.

@elctrn3311 6 күн бұрын

@@PlahaKumar ngl Gotham Knights was better than ssktjl, at least batman had an actual fucking death scene

@sephikong8323 5 күн бұрын

@PlahaKumar When you say Injustice, I think you mean the animated movie right ? The games and Comic aren't the best thing in the world, but they sure as hell shouldn't be put anywhere near the dumpster fire that is this game (the animated movie however very much does, I can't fathom how you can so precisely botch an adaptation in every possible way that is possible to botch)

@Larry Ай бұрын

I honestly can't believe how much Rocksteady dropped the ball on Suicide Squad, All they needed to do is make an Arkham game from the villains perspective and everyone would have loved it! But as the old saying goes, Reputations take a lifetime to build, but seconds to destroy.

@TyrantWesker Ай бұрын

The problem is that all the talent who made the Arkham games left, and the remaining developers seem to hold those games in contempt because they know they can't reach that level of greatness.

@Larry Ай бұрын

@@TyrantWesker I did read that the original Arkham Asylum had two writers working on the game, Suicide Squad had 27.

@puffythedestroyer8878 Ай бұрын

@@Larry the biggest sin is this not being a “Captain Boomerang” game. Joke aside, he just might accidentally be the one & only “good” thing in this piece of gaming kryptonite.

@maxmikester8185 Ай бұрын

@@Larry 27 writers… all trying to make something politically aligned . Who the hell needs 27 writers to make something like this?

@DeadwaveCarrier-oc1wo Ай бұрын

@@maxmikester8185A company with Laughing Joking Numbnuts in their ranks?

@supereldinho Ай бұрын

Watching Superman get gunned down by a bunch of jobbers that Batman could take out in his sleep was already ludicrous....but watching Harley of all people give Batman an utterly tone-deaf lecture on how HE caused emotional and mental damage to his enemies was beyond surreal. You truly gotta wonder what the folks at (not)Rocksteady thought would happen after that.

@roscoroxgaming Ай бұрын

You can thank Sweet baby Inc. for that

@topcatfan Ай бұрын

@@roscoroxgamingyou can also thank "them" (liberal pronoun) for sexing my wife and pis*ing on my crops

@kingsadvisor18 28 күн бұрын

I use the "Batman is just a psychotic billionaire who beats up mentally ill people" take as a litmus test to see if someone has basic intelligence. And to have the most immoral version of Quin espouse that was stupid. "You beat us up, we're only villains because of you" Reminder: this Harley Quin once sent a bunch of game consoles rigged with explosives to several Gotham families around the holiday season.

@velvet561 21 күн бұрын

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this version of Harley the most evil version of her? Like she helped the Joker torture Jason Todd, poisoned a little girl and then gaslight her father into killing himself after the girl died and also blew up a bus full of primary school aged kids and helped the Joker sew them together to hurt the affected families more? She has no right to talk down to Batman about how much "emotional damage" he caused when she has ruined so many peoples lives lol.

@sephikong8323 5 күн бұрын

Seeing the decline of Harley as a character over the last decade has been disheartening She is still one of my favorite characters, but that's in spite of how she is depicted nowadays, I simply cannot stand it, they took away everything that made her actually likeable

@Krovu Ай бұрын

Destructoid saying "the writing is good , excellent even" is how this ppl demonstrate that they have no taste and don't know shit about writing, I hate game journalists

@TyrantWesker Ай бұрын

It doesn't matter how shit the writing is. As long as it's woke enough, faux journalists will eat the slop up.

@derigel7662 Ай бұрын

not hard when you are paid to say these things

@elctrn3311 6 күн бұрын

They literally called a CHILD "fun size" but I suppose since its Harley saying it yeah its excellent writing 😭 Game journalists taking bribes from companies is a major factor as to why most AAA games suck

@LowKeyJaded Ай бұрын

Maybe I’m alone in this but I don’t think the “suicide squad” was ever as popular enough nor will it ever be to deserve the push it’s getting these days. And it seems like the only reason they are pushing it is to keep pushing girl boss Harley Quinn.

@ace94d Ай бұрын

I do really dislike the Harley Quinnification of the Suicide Squad and the like, it feels like it pushes them into the self-aware anti-hero vibe meta-esque style that doesn't fit how I mentally imagine them. Then again I'm also not as big on the current form of Harley, so. It feels like it contributes to a lot of the tonal issues the game suffers from, anyway.

@ppsarrakis Ай бұрын

@@ace94dthey didn't have much choice ,they had to rettcon or like overlook crazy mass killer Harley so they can get kids play her character

@ipaddleYOass Ай бұрын

Nah, a good game will never be not popular. Helldivers 2 had zero marketing. The word got passed around by it simply being a good game. Its not rocket science

@zaleost Ай бұрын

Honestly I feel that Suicide Squad as a concept was perfectly viable, but do agree that they are really over using Harley in it. She works fairly well as a villain in Batman as well as other DC heroes settings from time to time, but the anti-hero version of her they've been pushing in recent years has never really worked in my opinion. It almost makes me wonder of some executive at WB decided she was a good character to market and now they're trying to put her in everything, acting as if she's more popular than she actually is.

@ace94d Ай бұрын

@@ipaddleYOass Plenty of good games aren't popular, particularly for their time. Okami was an awesome game and critical darling and sold under 600k units to the point Clover had to shutter and Platinum had to open. Street Fighter 3's timing caused it to be unpopular at the start of its life and took a while to become the GOAT-option fighting game it is now considered. Earthbound lived in the cult fringes until much later in its lifespan. Many NES, SNES, and so on games took a while to get going. And lots of strong games remain niche: How many people know about 428: Shibuya Scramble? Could most people have even named Live A Live before it got remade? Sadly, quality isn't a panacea and lots of great games get buried by bad marketing. It is sad.

@DinoDave150 Ай бұрын

This has to be the most blatantly DOA AAA game ever released in recent memory. EVERYONE knew this thing was doomed from the get-go. Let's run down the list: 1) It's a live-service game that demands constant internet connection. 2) Gameplay is the same, tired shooter, grind fest that had been proven to be a failure time and time again beforehand. 3) It's a sequel to a series of acclaimed games that already had a conclusion, only to completely undo said conclusion and utterly demolish their legacy. 4) It revolves around slaughtering beloved heroes instead of playing as them which is what most players would want. 5) Despite a seven year development period, it was a buggy unpolished mess that people struggled to actually play. 6) It came out right after Batman's much loved actor's real life death making the whole thing seem even more tasteless. I know I can't pin the blame on Rocksteady since no one could have known what would have happened to Kevin Conroy during development, but the fact remains that no one wanted this game in the first place and his death just furthered that point. I really hope that this crap is the final nail in the coffin for live-service AAA games coming out.

@ojigbo Ай бұрын

Agreed with almost everything except for the fourth point. Alot of people do enjoy playing villains if executed correctly (pun intended). Take SWTOR for example, the majority of players are playing as the maniacal Sith instead of the peacekeeping Jedi. WB Games just really fumbled the storytelling to the point where they basically just insulted fans by deminishing the impact of the Arkham trilogy.

@Assasin2 Ай бұрын

Worse: this game was in development for 14 years, see the Wha Happen? Video on it

@CheeseChurger Ай бұрын

@@ojigbo With SWTOR that doesn't really count. SSKTJ involved you killing arkham batman, who was the main character for 3 entire games and that people including me absolutely loved. On the other hand, the jedi in SWTOR are just the jedi as a faction, you're not killing luke or obi-wan or yoda or any other beloved character, you're killing jedi that are original to SWTOR. If SSKTJL involved you killing every other JL member except for batman it would still suck shit but it'd at least not be as insulting to the arkhamverse or the character of batman because the other JL were never introduced as characters in the arkham series, the only way to do an arkham batman death successfully would be to make it super heroic, like a sacrifice or some shit, not some D-B tier losers killing him.

@DinoDave150 Ай бұрын

@@Assasin2 I was specifically talking about Rocksteady's iteration of it, which started development in 2017.

@X-EN7171 Ай бұрын

6th is wrong too, Kevin Conroy loved the idea and was all for the Evil Batman. People always ignore that He enjoys doing those parts.

@CerbearusBane Ай бұрын

"Studio that specializes in single-player, story-driven games is forced to make a soulless live-service cash-grab" is getting waaaaaay too common these days.

@JordiAran Ай бұрын

$70 for base game with only like 3 mission types, charging up to $24 for skins. Yeah, hell no

@SonAmyFan1012 Ай бұрын

I turely am baffled at how big corporations think just making a live service game that's so damn generic like the Avengers is a blueprint to success when the big 3 live service PvE games (Destiny2, Division 2, and Warframe) all quickly had to find out and adapt to a lack of content on release and had to quickly make both content that was unique, and an end game that's somewhat robust almost like an MMO in some ways. You can't release a game as a live service and have it be "do story missions with modifiers" the game.

@Marinealver Ай бұрын

Cause of Death: Cancer

@milk_bath Ай бұрын

You misspelled “capitalism”.

@ADNXD12 Ай бұрын

woke

@Impalingthorn Ай бұрын

@milk_bath So... People voting with their wallets in the free market killed the game? I mean... Yeah, sure.

@asideofsalt.6645 Ай бұрын

One way to describe the death would be sweet baby inc

@moltrescompany Ай бұрын

Blame Harley's cancer gun

@guilherme5094 Ай бұрын

Words from one of the special effects experts who worked for Warner: At one point they were developing a Superman film, when one of Warner's highest-ranking executives suggested that it would be better in the film if Superman was searching for his cape and thus wouldn't be able to fly. The expert thought it was a joke but no, all the 'wise men' agreed with the idea, and it was up to this man to explain very calmly and patiently that Super doesn't need the cape to fly! This is Waner, they know the characters, they know Batman and Superman among others, but they definitely don't know anything about them!

@crapshot321 Ай бұрын

The "executives" don't know anything about the characters. Being people who never read comics or watched the shows, it is no wonder they wouldn't know anything!

@sup1602 Ай бұрын

Every time a man in a suit was out of touch of I would get a dollar, I would be rich af. Then again my cousin would be out of a job if there less dumb men in suits.

@universalperson Ай бұрын

I'm more curous where they got the idea he needs a cape to fly. What makes them think that?

@crapshot321 Ай бұрын

@@universalperson See? This proves my point! Anyone who knows even a tiny bit about Superman, _knows_ he does not need his cape to fly! How out of touch does one needs to be to miss that fact!?

@joseph2000117 Ай бұрын

This game totally deserved all 100 percent of its death

@bebo76338 Ай бұрын

Chalk another one up to Live-Service & Corpos destroying legacy franchises & once-great game-devs! 💀 RIP Kevin Conroy 🦇 You are *Batman,* Forever! ❤

@Divadtube Ай бұрын

You would think Brainiac of all villains could hack the head bombs easily, boom, Game Over in 30 seconds.

@ineedit1772 Ай бұрын

Thank you oh my lord one of my friends said this brainiac was well written and I brought up the fact that riddler could hack the bomb but not Batman or brainiac and bro was speechless

@Divadtube Ай бұрын

@@ineedit1772 exactly, was my first thought, geeze if he just tried signals at random till one worked, or monitored waller till she sent she signal and copied it. So Waller can, but literal Brainiac cant? Huh? Lol, glad someone agrees, ty

@eleanorgreywolfe5142 Ай бұрын

The Brainiac in this game is an absolute dumbass. He's supposed to be one of the smartest beings in existence. Yet apparently, he thinks it's a good idea to fight the Suicide Squad by mimicking a justice league member they had already beaten and have the counter for. He somehow was able to corrupt a Green Lantern ring but can't hack into the bomb collars?. Even a brainwashed Batman gives much better advice to Brainiac on how to handle the Suicide Squad which he seemingly ignores. Very smart indeed.

@Chadius Ай бұрын

Superman could have tossed all of them into low orbit in about 30 seconds. Flash already showed he can rip people's hearts out, why not pluck the Squad's? Green Lantern can just form a bullet proof shield and laser them from across town.

@cringeclown4327 Ай бұрын

So called “12th intellectual being” when he tries to capture 4 buffoons (he wastes his arguably most valuable assets: the JL, while also underutilizing his equipment, as he has shown to be able to completely freeze the SQ, yet apparently never thinks to do it again. Never branches off his troops from the same 4 types we see in the game, and doesn’t think of just bombarding the planet after capturing its only real line of defense the planet had against him):

@inquisitorichijou883 Ай бұрын

I have seen it all unfolding. The first gameplay reveal where you jump around and shoot purple pimples on enemies was enough to turn off a whole lot of people.

@AntiVectorTV Ай бұрын

Every time Nerdslayer pronounces the word "Continuity", a linguist loses its wings.

@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown Ай бұрын

I noticed a few little hiccups on the script as well. Probably could've used a little more time in the oven.

@WeeWeeJumbo Ай бұрын

its?

@AntiVectorTV Ай бұрын

@@WeeWeeJumbo the common term for any non-human entity, such as a linguist.

@vaniluu4784 Ай бұрын

@@AntiVectorTV arent linguists people

@AntiVectorTV Ай бұрын

@@vaniluu4784 no.

@seanwilliams7655 Ай бұрын

Wait. You're telling me the game that decided it was a good idea for CAPTAIN BOOMERANG to not use boomerangs as his primary weapon is doing badly? Who would have thought?

@topcatfan Ай бұрын

Why are people talking about black dead shot but not this

@xX_EltKLLgm-ng_Xx 22 күн бұрын

@@topcatfan they are both terrible but in the first 5 minutes of playing the game, the raceswapped Deadshot is making basketball references (he does this more later on) and he always talks as if he is an actual good person that just so happened to stumble into the villain lifestyle ive read pretty much everything and anything deadshot related since his first solo series up until the cringefest that was zombie deadshot being lead around by Red Hood Floyd doesnt play basketball or care about sports in general, its just so funny how badly they butchered his character just to make him how white people all perceive black people. Floyd also knows who he is, what he does, and he knows its wrong but does it regardless because its what hes good at i cant say if he becomes a good character, i gave up on the game after a couple hours cus it was just really awful to play in terms of sheer gameplay, id rather play fortnite

@_reigner Ай бұрын

Suicide Squad: Kill any potential hype for future projects

@snaccpacc651 Ай бұрын

This should get a sequel called "Warner Bros kill the Suicide Squad"

@jordanhalas5326 Ай бұрын

Warner Bros kills the DC universe

@StonerWaifu Ай бұрын

That was probably the working title for this one

@ace94d Ай бұрын

Something I would say about this is something I put up on another video about this game: "Kill the Justice League" is simply not a good idea for specifically a Suicide Squad game, or at minimum how it was presented. The #1 story I always think of for the Suicide Squad is Task Force X from Justice League Unlimited, one of the better uses of the characters. In that episode, Task Force X (the Suicide Squad's name in that show since they couldn't use suicide) are tasked with infiltrating Justice League headquarters to steal a magical living artifact called The Annihilator for Amanda Waller and the government. The squad is pretty low powered with guys like Clock King, Captain Boomerang, Plastique and so on. They have to plan around the idea of avoiding the Justice League's heavy hitters, specifically striking the HQ when only three "major" superheroes (Green Lantern, Captain Atom and Martian Manhunter) are there and they have to rely on subterfuge to get what they want. They cause a distraction by blowing up the HQ's generator to draw away Captain Atom and when they do get into a fight it is against more street level heroes. And when Martian Manhunter appears it is dramatic and even scary (since we are following the villain's perspective): Descending from above, eyes glowing and asking if they *really* want to do this. They even end up having to sacrifice a member to escape, since the Martian Manhunter can largely take on the team (The Annihilator helps even the odds). In my mind, that's what I wanted from a Suicide Squad game. Give me something like Metal Gear Solid (MGSV sold 6 mil units in two months, Warner could definitely make money off of it) or Hitman, stealth action stuff. Instead of shooting the Justice League head-on, having to use other plans and avoid them until the time is right. Imagine having to avoid Superman's gaze as you sneak around to, say, set up some big tech device Lex Luthor had out of kryptonite to harm him or depower him enough to fight. Having to support Wonder Woman, who being IN the game could easily be used, in order for her to actually deal the killing blow. Stuff like that. A Suicide Squad game shouldn't be about confronting them face on! I have plenty of other complaints but I think a big thing is that they just made the wrong game for the property they were doing.

@guilhermelopes986 Ай бұрын

Writting is good?! What?! That destructoid guy is crazy.

@saber-san6270 26 күн бұрын

Not hard considering how they got paid by Rocksteady for that article lol

@elctrn3311 6 күн бұрын

@@saber-san6270but even then how the fuck do you play a game where bommerang pisses on the flash and deadshot gets giddy about seeing his wee wee then say the game has excellent writing 💀 Even with money offered you gotta at least feel some type of discomfort like tf

@user-hb7py7xy7b Ай бұрын

"The writing is good, excellent even" Huh?

@Jkchavesz Ай бұрын

The narrative is atrocious if you are an Arkhan fan. Since the beginning, they already gave up on their fans and then proceeded to fail to appeal to the broader audience, with there being nothing to do gameplay-wise. Also none of the justice league deaths made sence ( exept for WW ) the flash should have killed them in half a second, like this story sucks and the gameplay is boring

@KUPSMusic Ай бұрын

Appealing to the "modern audience" Get used to hearing that from companies. Equally get used to seeing it as a red flag because that's what it is. One big red flag.

@Chadius Ай бұрын

- Superman should have scooped them up and tossed them into low orbit in the blink of an eye. - Green Lantern could have just lasered them across town while hiding behind a bullet proof barrier. - Batman only loses because shooting a fear-induced hallucination hurts him or something.

@shadowclonier3062 Ай бұрын

Suicide Squad is an ip tailor-made to turn based strategy games like XCom, especially with the large possible cast and the permadeath. Putting it into a live-service cast-based shooter really hampered the strengths of the series.

@nerdSlayerstudioss Ай бұрын

based point

@koholintisland2167 Ай бұрын

Harley Quinn outside of TAS is the most obnoxious, over hyped and over saturated trash bag character in the entire DC stable. Period.

@johnnyzero8853 Ай бұрын

Right. As I said before, there’s so many other female characters in the DC roster. Batgirl, Black Canary, Stargirl, Livewire, Vixen, Katana, Hawkgirl, Killer Frost, Volcana, the list goes on and on

@koholintisland2167 Ай бұрын

@@johnnyzero8853 Supergirl my beloved

@bbbnuy3945 28 күн бұрын

herley cringe

@PlahaKumar 28 күн бұрын

@@johnnyzero8853 You left out the most iconic of all, Wonder woman.

@Diphenhydra Ай бұрын

Crazy how you and Matt both put out a video about this game and its rocky development within days of each other. Don't worry, I'll still watch this.

@SquidGains Ай бұрын

First game since Saints Row reboot where everything I heard from people was disappointment. That's rare where people unanimously dislike a game this much.

@KUPSMusic Ай бұрын

SBI was involved with both games and its writing. But who would of guessed them to both be failures 😆

@brandonwhite562 Ай бұрын

Death of a Game and Wha Happun about the same game within days of each other? We eating good today.

@KeonVioletWilkins 28 күн бұрын

Honestly feel like a Suicide Squad concept would work really well in a tell tale format. The expendability and fluctuating morals of the squad would have fit a choose your own adventure story much better. That way you can make the squad as sympathetic or as irredeemable as you like to an extent without making it the morally confused clown show this story was

@winns35 Ай бұрын

The writing in suicide squad is brilliant.....now I see why most video game journalism is terribly written.

@Jamslijamsl Ай бұрын

Now? Hasn't it been dogshit for almost a decade?

@winns35 Ай бұрын

@@Jamslijamsl true

@gabrieloviedocasanas4977 Ай бұрын

Suicice Squad: A game nobody asked for, doubted with all the confidence of a supposedly triple A game (not a high bar these days), and immediately fell down the stairs the second everyone payed it a second of attention before catching on fire.

@nsp477 Ай бұрын

Publisher's bad judgement choosing a studio that has no experience in online multiplayer games, and studio's arrogance denying the reality that it cannot handle the task. Different sins, but both the publisher and the studio are equally responsible.

@user-nw1je1ur6t Ай бұрын

Im not sure its arrogant, they cant say they cant, then theyd just get fired

@mashedpotatos3750 Ай бұрын

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain..

@Ech_The_Sentiant Ай бұрын

And then finally get your own boss battle (but wait! It turns out it’s just a shitty reskin of the first boss) Yeah, what were they thinking with this one

@shisho_sos8093 Ай бұрын

And can you believe those who defend this game tell us to Cope because we see it as not part of the Arkham universe? because it kind of taint the good name of that Universe?

@KaiserAfini Ай бұрын

*Additional Clue:* An autopsy indicates this live service had never had a pulse to begin with, being a cheap animatronic wearing a suit with an Arkham series stamp.

@ezzahhh Ай бұрын

9:50 Both founders actually left Rocksteady in 2022 and not 2024 also to add, barely anyone at Rocksteady in 2022 had actually worked on any Arkham game prior. The company was already full of new people who didn't care about what came before, I don't know how Sefton and Jamie held out as long as they did.

@faeb.9618 Ай бұрын

i feel mildly bad for writing it off as dead from the first trailer alone when so many people had hope but... the precedent has been set in stone since way before it released. i'm not surprised it turned out to be a disaster 💀

@Feuerhamster Ай бұрын

It was dead the moment the title was revealed.

@baki484 Ай бұрын

Why would you feel bad? if anything you can pat yourself on the back for your foresight. Besides there are already too many gamers who eat this crap hoping it's different even when the signs of it being a disaster staring them in the face. They lost me with the battlepass leak but the co-op feature had me on the fence.

@MrTWill Ай бұрын

14 years in the oven & it came out underbaked. Thanks Rock Steady👍

@SquidGains Ай бұрын

True. Then add a bunch of ingredients people don't like and it doesn't matter how long you bake it, no one's gonna want it.

@icehour6568 Ай бұрын

The writing was on the wall ever since the founders left the company, you either die a hero, or live long enough to see your hardwork being ruined by corpo hands and what's worse it has your name written all over it that it's still somewhat your fault.

@jrrr9219 Ай бұрын

There are a few errors here: 1.- The gameplay reveal was in February 2023 in the PS state of play, not in November. 2.- The founders left at the end of 2022. It was in January of this year that they announce their new studio. 3.- Season 1 came out March 28, not 25. 4.- The last update of Marvel's Avengers was in March 31st 2023 and the game was delisted September of said year, so 2 1/2 to 3 years later after it first came out, not under 2 years.

@ericschuster2680 Ай бұрын

18:06 that's not the Joker, that's Twinkler

@The_Punisher Ай бұрын

To be fair to that Joker he's always been a scrawny dude

@ineedit1772 Ай бұрын

@@The_Punisheryeah he has looked scrawny difference is he still looked scary like not even trying to be scary but at the same time poop your pants scary, this guy looks like a gust of wind could sweep him off his feet trying way too hard to be scary 😂

@franzhopper7631 Ай бұрын

That's the jonkler

@niallreid7664 Ай бұрын

@@The_Punisherhe gives off "cosplayer trying way too hard" vibes.

@mattthegoat606 27 күн бұрын

Thats not the Joker or the Twinkle it's Mr HaHa

@mutombomania Ай бұрын

man, a suicide squad game with stories missions around the world, where you could pick your squad. If someone dies, nvm, there are 20 more to pick from. could have been pretty cool.

@AnimeRoot Ай бұрын

Game made by a committee and pushed to a studio that was not able to make the requested game. It was doomed from the start and all the way it handled the IP was tragic.

@JDelwynn 7 күн бұрын

Warner Bros. 1. Publish a game nobody wants. 2. Nobody buys the game. 3. Surprised Pikachu face.

@otherprisma7354 Ай бұрын

"the writing is excellent. " ...are they serious lol?

@canaldecasta Ай бұрын

After reading some comments, if SBI as a consultancy has no real power to the development of the games, then why does it matter they were part of successful titles like Ragnarok, since they are negligible? If they can't sway the studio, why even hire them? Genuine questions towards the consultant worker.

@WeeWeeJumbo Ай бұрын

is SBI in the room right now?

@frixed00 Ай бұрын

A great example that you can’t really build around game as a service - Fun gameplay has to come first

@leatherDarkhorse Ай бұрын

go sweet baby inc go broke.

@VexedVergil Ай бұрын

Suprised you didn't even mention the sweet baby inc drama. Also you didn't mention how the braniac fights are just reskined JL fights instead of being his own thing

@johnathan2321 Ай бұрын

Looter shooters get old really fast and never should be a live service game.

@headbreakable Ай бұрын

"the writing is good" would be a LIE...

@captaintalon4485 Ай бұрын

I would say to not even call “Rocksteady” Rocksteady anymore. That is an insult to the talented people who made the Arkham trilogy. “Rocksteady” is now just another branch of WB Studios and we’ve seen WB mismanage their own cash cows for short-term profit

@Chadius Ай бұрын

I should mention: Kevin Conroy loved playing evil/corrupt Batman. In various interviews he said it was a great way to explore the character and show people what they liked about Batman... by removing his empathy. He had finished recording years before his passing, so I doubt he knew this would be his final video game performance. He and Mark Hamill will play Batman & Joker in one more DC animated movie, so keep your eyes peeled for it. RIP Kevin Conroy.

@farvencore Ай бұрын

I keep hearing reviews saying "it's a good story" or "excellent writing", but that can only be true if you don't care about the JL characters.

@spademagna2672 Ай бұрын

Even if you didn't, I still don't see how anyone could call it good.

@jmaster4941 Ай бұрын

Lego DC Supervillains is basically this concept but done infinitely better. Just play that instead.

@hache-hiwattan7848 Ай бұрын

The Joker In this game is same if not worse that Leto's version. The Jonkler. Compared to the original of Arkham is just insulting. Apart of how they killed Batman, it was also another part that was really awful for me. It feel they hated Arkham and what made it great. Pure hate showing completely in Harley's speech before killing Bats.

@megabuster3940 5 күн бұрын

I do not understand the unwavering faith WB has for the Suicide Squad IP

@Bolt451 Ай бұрын

this would be the equivalent of killing kratos and then sony being surprised people didn't like it

@starshottai2519 Ай бұрын

With games like overwatch, paladins, its hard to imagine why you would give super villians guns with no other unique abilities in a superhero game

@keetiesweetie3284 Ай бұрын

For me there was another major issue for this game that I just couldn't look past I DON'T WANT TO KILL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE Seriously. I don't WANT to do it. Having them fight other asshole characters, killing villains, etc. would've been fine and fun and totally doable. But I really, really didn't want to be gunning down my childhood icons. I have no interest in shooting John Stewart, Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne or Barry Allen

@barachiel212 Ай бұрын

^ This, all the way. From the moment, I heard the game's sub-title, I had ZERO interest in it. Then the words "live service" were uttered and I discovered that my expectations could go even lower.

@AnkaaAvarshina Ай бұрын

That's your opinion though, at least you can just choose not to play the game. I personally find it interesting that the heroes for once are the bad guys while the villains are the protagonists.

@keetiesweetie3284 Ай бұрын

It is my opinion, yes. That's why I opened it with "for me" as I know every concept has it's fans and didn't want to speak for everyone, just myself

@niallreid7664 Ай бұрын

@@keetiesweetie3284I never understood why people need to make "in your opinion" comments. Like, yeah? Thanks for letting me know.

@keetiesweetie3284 Ай бұрын

@niallreid7664 because people oft assume you are attempting to speak for a fanbase, like above mine, and so I try to head off such comments by clarifying that this is only my opinion

@user-wb7yx5wm2k 26 күн бұрын

It's funny that the journalists (including the more critical critics) praised the story and source material despite how plot-hole-ish and poorly written the story was (act 1 was the only good part of the story), while many fans & audiences declared this game as the most unfaithful suicide squad adaptation of all time.

@saloz9483 Ай бұрын

Being set in the arkhamverse dealt a huge blow to the game as well since its just burned all of those games characters and story into the ground. Hell this harely is nothing like arkham harley.

@celiafrostborn Ай бұрын

It was stillborn, people have just been playing the rotting corpse of it. Theirs a way this could have been great, likley as a single player or co-op game with more creativity allowed. Imagine captain boomerang, using boomerangs. Or king shark, eating people and stuff...

@thebiglich Ай бұрын

Payday 3 when

@foxyfoxington2651 Ай бұрын

Even the "Death of a Game" video about this game is boring.

@NecroBanana Ай бұрын

Tell your jannies to not time out people who call them jannies. Makes them look weak.

@WeeWeeJumbo Ай бұрын

what are jannies?

@NecroBanana Ай бұрын

@@WeeWeeJumbo google it

@nerdSlayerstudioss Ай бұрын

lol uh oh necro

@deathbybiscuit Ай бұрын

The thing that separates this from Marvel's Avengers is that even though both these games are functionally singleplayer with a ton of unnecessary live service shit tacked on, Avengers actually was a decently fun game that made all their characters play like you'd expect, the story was trash, the progression was trash, the live service was trash, even the combat itself had issues but at least you could play characters like Iron Man or Thor and actually feel a little like Iron Man and Thor. Suicide Squad was just a generic 3rd person shooter with a DC coat of paint. The shooting is mostly fine from what I've seen but all characters play the same. So it has all the problems Marvel's Avengers has and none of the small positives. It was doomed to fail, while Marvel Avengers I feel could've been reworked and made into a decent live service if it was given to a more experienced team.

@normalcomic4768 Ай бұрын

This plus Matt McMuscles "WHAT HAPPENED?", have to be the fastest death we ever seen AND the fastest videos to come out of both channels 😮 This 100 Million dollar live service dumpster fire stood NO chance! They're going to lose so much money...😂

@gregorymirabella1423 26 күн бұрын

It still irritates me how many games would've been better as single player titles, only to have "live service"slapped onto them. Just make one concrete linear single player game and sell it as is. After that you can just coast by on the success, or only suffer a temporary loss if it fails.

@AR_77 Ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting on this one! Great video!

@YoteWorld Ай бұрын

Death of a game? It never had a chance to live

@austinjones3516 Ай бұрын

The story was trash

@JayStCloud Ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this!

@zaneheaston8254 Ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this

@stizzo135 Ай бұрын

Destructiod thought this game has excellent writing? The plot and the characters are the worst part!

@TheForever206 Ай бұрын

Ah yes, i can now take my lunch break with this most anticipated video.

@ninjafrog6966 Ай бұрын

*pisses on flash’s corpse twice* “the writing is good, excellent even!”

@HGRAP1 Ай бұрын

I’ve been waiting for this video since the gameplay reveal

@prettzx Ай бұрын

Realistically the game would not be any better, but they could have aboided alotnof hate if they had juat chosen to not set it in the Arkham universe, like Gotham Knights. I remember the game being on sale for 50% off after just a month.

@The_Punisher Ай бұрын

What's funny is everyone who says the League were all clones but there's literally no proof 😂

@ineedit1772 Ай бұрын

Actually 🤓 while this game’s writing is booty butt cheeks and if they are clones brainiac is an idiot (bro coulda made an army) there are some details that slightly confirm they are clones like - flash missing his pinky finger before he’s brainwashed then getting it back when he’s brainwashed - the clone of Superman Wonder Woman fought got stabbed in the chest with kryptonite then most likely another clone came back to replace the previous clone - the lantern ring not being normal Again this is most likely terrible bad writing and the devs had no idea what they were doing but there is 3 pieces of evidence

@mistahj4144 Ай бұрын

There’s a leak of flash talking about how Bruce and Waller is not happy with them

@PlahaKumar 28 күн бұрын

Even if they are, it wouldn't save this game.

@mistahj4144 28 күн бұрын

@@PlahaKumar true