A HUMAN RIGHT!

I AGREE. A HUMANE WAY TO PUT PEOPLE OUT OF AGONY.

Human right

@robertholland8283 what do you want to know? Like what things are you confused on or want to know more on?

Assisted dying should be a human right

Not your choice, not your right. If you lived with never ending pain it would send you insane.

Or does right to die lead to the expectation that those with expensive medical costs will do what’s required and relieve the State (NHS/ local council) and beneficiaries of that expense?

or more '' legal [ religous based?] obligation to suffer''

I am so damn sorry. That's damn cruel, just this alone should be a good reason as to why we should legalize and destigmatize it. No normal person can say that that's okay or acceptable. Your mother deserved way more than the system would give her

Which country ?

I recently got Nembutal from the dispensary in the peaceful handbook, I got the book from Philip Nitschke…..the founder of the exit international I’m really tired of life 🤦‍♂️

Yes. FEAR. A great way to proceed forward .

So out of fear alone it's denied.

Makes me wonder who's fear is the dictator?

THE BEST EXISTENCE IS NONE EXISTENCE. KNOW LIFE, KNOW PAIN. NO LIFE, NO PAIN. ANTINATALISM. Kids kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lch0qLF8quC2kWw.html

That’s why I got Nembutal 😢😢

From someone who clearly has evil in their heart like you do, I'm not surprised you posted this. You simply reveal much about yourself.

I almost laughed when I first heard that. People like that normally want to shove their religious beliefs down other people's throats, just to convert them to their way of thinking. Her religious bias prevents her from being objective anyway.

That’s why I got Nembutal 😢

​@@obaroulueme5062wish I had that!

@@phoenixtoash2396 I can help you with the dispensary I got mine from,

@@phoenixtoash2396 I’m just giving myself some time to go through with it 🥺

@@phoenixtoash2396Same here! I'd love something like that too!

Agreed. I don't see how anyone who's a little bit good can say that ANYONE should be forced to suffer, instead of moving on peacefully, with dignity.

Someone in the Netherlands (or Belgium, can't recall at the moment) was euthanised because he had tinnitus. Still think it's a stupid debate?

With hypocrisy, as moral absolutist people often do. Many people oppose abortion to be legal to society but they are willing to pay their own clandestine abortion.

@@rubentala4762 To say something should be law does not mean one can always live up to it. I am sure many men also think rape should be criminalised and are later found to be guilty of rape. Should we legalise rape because those arguing against rape cannot always live up to that law or are they falling short of their moral and legal obligations to society and other individuals and need to be punished? Should theft be legalised because most people have stolen small items before? The hypocrisy argument may make you feel like you are right but it is not very strong.

@@buhlesolomon3741 my argument wasn't that abortion should be legal because the hypocrisy of some people...

It's your life. THE BEST EXISTENCE IS NONE EXISTENCE. KNOW LIFE, KNOW PAIN. NO LIFE, NO PAIN. ANTINATALISM.

You know your situation best, you know your suffering is real. You aren't completely sure about others though. Maybe.

So you'd like to see people treated like dogs is what you want?

​Dogs are better treated in this matter then

pets don't live in a society.

I agree 100%

I agree . I don't fear death at all.

Because as much as many people would be allowed to 'help' eventually others, abusive relatives would almost certainly want to 'help' as well. Coercive partners are a thing, and i hope you realise that. Here in Australia, the state of Victoria has recently passed some laws that allow anyone to 'help' a family member, even if there IS NO MEDICAL EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE SUFFERING. They don't even need to have a doctors certificate in some cases, just written consent of the patient. I'm sure you will appreciate how easy it is to get that from an elderly, impressionable person. This is why I am against it. Not because I don't believe some people would be happier dead, but because of the slippery slope of ramifications that this concept necessarily (yes, necessarily) entails. I also hope you can also appreciate what a disgusting euphemism 'help' is.

@@eliyasara9786 It's not a euphemism? If somebody wants to die but are unable to do so themselves, they ask for help. Also, I don't see how side effects mean that the law as a whole should be opposed. That would be like saying that law enforcement as a concept should be opposed, because they occasionally mess up and kill an innocent person. No, it helps people, lets try to make it better!

They need to face facts, most of us can end it all anytime.

It's legal in 7 US states

Just give people the right to decide for yourself, and we wouldn't need all this debates and your mumbo jumbo. We are all adults, we can decide for ourselves.

Why?

So you'd like to live for 1000 years, not being able to move or do anything else, while being conscious of this? I am reasonably certain that no one prefers that over dying.

I agree that nobody has the right to decide for you. Mandatory or coercive assisted dying would be extremely immoral.

I'd personally rather not have lived past thirty! For me... Life on this earth with humans is a horror and should be allowed to not have to be forced to live on this planet. ...

If you want to live in a vegetative state for 1000 years, then more power to you! I'd give you my whole lifetime to add more years to your life if I could, just as long as I get to go back to the nonexistent state I came from. Sometimes I wish real life worked like the movie "In Time", where people who are tired of living can willingly give away their remaining years, months, days, and hours to people who want to continue. If it worked like that, I'd let you have it all.

You missed the hole point we are talking about non treatable heath problems or those are physical or mental.anyone has the right to die with dignity

@@mmmkkk7022 I understand what we're talking about. I'm working on an essay on palliative care right now

@@a.i.l1074 i feel that you have no idea how hard is mental pain..i hope you never do. I wont wish that not even to my worst enemy

@@mmmkkk7022 I have plenty of first hand experience, and mental health care experience. So have the majority of palliative and elderly care professionals who disapprove of euthanasia

@@a.i.l1074 i agree with the later part of your point.medical care sucks. Imagine i been in a phych 2 months ago he perscripted me meds(he saw me for 10 min)and told me they will give me back call for conselor..still waiting lol

"The safety of this drug hasn't been tested!" It most certainly has! It's a /LETHAL/ drug. It's not supposed to be safe.

If they are in control I'm going to rebel.. they will have to force feed me... Force me to speak and force me to move. Because I'll refuse every single time .. I will fight their disgusting slave treatment! Slavery was out lawed. So get over it. I refuse to stay .. I hate being here. I hate everything about it.

True! Understanding both sides requires not looking at the arguements, but those who make them!

ur dumb

This is why we then have safe guards and as the debaters suggested, ‘experiment’- a) for now, we can omit the mentally suffering as candidates b) We can have various levels of assessment/observation from a variety of doctors. We can then institute that if one doctor refuses, that it is then not given. C) in this case, we need much better medical resources for those mentally ill who have requested assisted suicide - but once a doctor has said ‘no’ the patient is already exposed to someone who has resources to help/steer the patient in the right direction.

Absolutely. It's immoral to criminalise suicide for anyone. By having a safe and legal way to go about it, we'd actually prevent more suicides from occurring. If I walk into a clinic in a depressed state, and ask to be put to sleep I am then in the presence of medical professionals who can assess my mental state, offer me counselling, alternative treatments and so on. If I choose to proceed, then I can do so cleanly with my friends and family around me. They get some closure and there's no mess for anyone to clean up. You can draw parallels to the issue with heroin addiction. In places where there are safe and legal places for an addict to get their medication you see fewer overdoses and deaths. For what it's worth, I used to think like you do until a few years back. A close friend took his own life after struggling for decades with his mental health. He'd talk about ending his life often, and expressed a desire to do so at an assisted dying clinic. Euthanasia is illegal in our country so he wanted to go abroad to do it and asked for my help. My response was to play it down, suggest other treatments, exercise and so on. It probably sounded very trite to him. I realise now that I was being selfish and shortsighted, I wanted my friend around & took the view that euthanasia should be reserved for those with serious physical illness. In the end he did it himself with some pills he'd ordered online. He didn't tell anyone and it was about a week before they found him. Maybe it was always going to like this, but maybe if we'd helped him get on his way we'd could have said goodbye properly.

I think I didn't make stance clear. Sucide is wrong, and so is placing the responsibility on some else. Life is about pain and misery, we shouldn't normalize death because someone is uncomfortable. Sould someone paralyzed from the waist, off themselves because the pain of losing mobility is so great. We shouldn't normalize cowardice. I suffer from suicidal thoughts normally on the daily basis for I suffer from Bipolar Disorder. I am also 28 years, should I off myself for my pain. I try to convince myself to live everyday. But I don't kill myself, because I know the damage it does to families.

@@joansmith525 We can agree to disagree. Good for you Joan, keep fighting :)

Suicide should absolutely be an option for anyone who wants it, unless there are grounds to demonstrate that they have deserved to have their autonomy suspended. We don't need a government agency to be directly injecting people with chemicals, we just need the government to get out of the way of people choosing to end their life in a safe and reliable way. If they want oversight over it, then they can slow down the process of suicide and ensure that people have had time to reflect on their choice and engaged with mental health services before access, rather than disincentivising people from engaging with the mental health system because they fear being trapped by government initiatives to prevent suicide. Suffering is suffering, and to deliberately impede someone's ability to end their suffering is to torture them. So this isn't a case of the government failing to provide a positive right; it's denying someone their negative liberty to end their suffering. If you prevent someone from ending their suffering, then you're the cause of their suffering. You're a torturer. It's directly torturing someone to keep them in a state of suffering and deny them a way to end that suffering, if you cannot guarantee that you're going to be able to do something for them which will take away the suffering within a reasonable time frame. I don't buy this argument that any collective is entitled to a greater claim over my body than I do myself, because I'm the one who has to live my life, and I have to pay for it. If I'm legally required to continue living for the sake of others, then I'm not a free person, but a slave and a prisoner. My wellbeing is just expendable cannon fodder for whatever someone else has decided that they require of me.

Says who? You? Voices in your head?

Free will

Your point about emotional pain is irrelevant. Mental illness can be as debilitating as any physical condition. Besides, it would be up to legislators to decide where to draw the line. The idea that it would become some unregulated free-for-all is daft. More to the point, shouldn't I, as an individual, legally have the right to say when I want to end things? By criminalising suicide we send the clear message that our lives are not our own, they belong to the state. And that's pretty creepy.

You're being pedantic about the most irrelevant argument concerning the whole subject.

Being severely depressed doesn't necessarily make somebody incompotently minded. I mean, if that person has tried all psychiatric treatments currently available and nothing has helped alleviate their symptoms to a tolerable level (which is a relatively rare ocurance but stil happens) then why shouldn't they be given the choice of assisted suicide? Our knowledge and technology is currently incapable of helping everyone in society. That's just the reality of the matter. Why do so many people want to deny that fact and force people to suffer at all cost?

Yes. There are a lot of questions. Unlike any other medical procedure.

It's a case by case thing. That's why I believe we should give them therapy, and learn about them before we let them do it. As for people who can't speak or are incompetent, you can usually tell they're in pain. They clearly show signs.