Holy shit I can’t imagine looking at the world through such dull eyes as Wolpert

For a scientist, that Wolpert fellow makes proclamations as if he were the Pope. I think he intends to win debates on the basis of personal authority. Very glad to see Zizek not take crap from this tiny imagination.

“I’m a scientist, metaphysics is junk” bruh we’re talking about music and God why are you here?

Zizek never fails to make me laugh. Just looking at him in his t shirt with all these stuck up professors in suits is fucking brilliant

Wolpert; “metaphysics is junk”, is itself inherently a metaphysical statement. It presupposes a “rule”, and a procedure based on a rule. His is also a conceptual orientation however impoverished.

10:13 Zizek: "What am I doing sitting around these stupid people here"

Dazzlingly intellectual as he always is, professor Zizek stands out also for his rebelliously informal dress code amongst the suits and ties.

Love Zizek alluding to the metaphysical basement of science.

"There is no relationship between music and physics" Sound waves travelling through the air: ARE YOU SURE?

I always love to hear Zizek's thoughts, it's like an intellectual roller coaster, always thrilling!

Always feel sorry for Zizek. Can't shake off the feeling he's very much like an alien among men - who understands him? Case in point the arrogant physicist with his ultra-certainty is so unsophisticated he entirely missed the trajectory of Zizeks reasoning. "There is no connection between art and physics!" Wow! At that point might have just gotten up and left; his patience with the unsophisticated is saintly.

"There's no relationship between art and science." That is not the statement of a scientist. That is the statement of a stupid edgy teen who hates art class because his mom told him "it won't get him a job."

poor zizek is too young and cant stand his house-mates in the senior housing

Dude, I just witnessed the fossils speaking about the eternal

Ten years listening to Schönberg, and now, thanks to Zizek I finally understand why I like him

I was really thrilled when Zizek said Berg is his favorite.

There’s absolutely a relationship between music and science

Our boy Žiž here rocking a T-shirt amongst the suits! :)

Zizek is like a caricature of himself. SO entertaining to have a genius in that form ^_^

We need the whole conference. Or at least the parts where Zizek speaks

I looked it up, myself. It wasn't suggested to me by an stupid KZfaq logarithmic machine.

The last speaker said something that truly resonantes with me. I don't believe that I know, neither do I know that I believe. I am searching. I'd say it is a good attitude to have in life.

Please don't dogmatize the science

No relationship between music and physics? What is a musical note but a collection of frequencies?

Mahler seeking god is a way for him to look for hope and lament the fact that he was one of the last ones in those times. While Nietzsche said god is dead, Mahler was trying to show that he was one of the few ones, looking for god in a world where he is dead.

JUST SOME FACTS: I think that claiming *"There is no relationship between music and physics"* as he does at 8:14, is one of the dumbest things a physicist coul say about music as sound is physics. Actually you have worldwide spread universities and academies focused on sound physics and engeneering. Plus both acustic and electronic instruments are all based on studies around the physics of sound. And we could keep adding things to the list for days.

Is there any possibility to watch this full panel somewhere? This is really good!

where is the entire debate?

Wolper hasn't even listened to Mahler's symphonies. The 2nd, 3rd, 8th and Das Liede are full of sung words.

The problem with science is that, in its strict empirical approach, it is unable to grasp any concept of the unity of spirit that Hegel talks about, any idea of what he would call the 'speculative' or rational. It is a discipline devised by the miserable cold fish which is the Anglo Saxon mind, devoid of any sense of grand designs and dealing only with the disparate elements of our makeup.

Žižek's take on Mahler is abysmal. Did he only hear the last movement of the 5th? And not get that the ending is a joke? There would be no Schoenberg without Mahler, who paved the way for precisely the modernism Žižek is describing, Schoenberg having been a colleague and admirer of Mahler, and even the piece mentioned, Gurre-Lieder, owing a great deal to Mahler, not least the vast ensemble it requires much like Symphony 8. Žižek would have spoken very differently if it had been the 6th or the 9th he was hearing the end of, and perhaps wouldn't be so dismissive of the composer's metaphysics if he'd heard and read Das Lied Von Der Erde, or the 3rd symphony with a good well curated program (that utter moron Wolpert notwithstanding). Mahler very much foresaw the dark vision of the 20th century and his entire output is a personal journey of finding ever more ingeniously contrived ways to stave off that eventuality as best he can, each work another desperate search for a new kind of monument to hope, to continuation, and therefore to God (in which he did believe, Gnostically I believe, as a secular perennialist/pantheist. The day he converted to catholicism for his career he reportedly stepped out of the chapel and said "I've just changed my coat"). Žižek speaks so disparagingly and condescendingly of the classical canon, of which Mahler knew he was the last and so agonised over, without properly understanding the musical language they used and were at the time still developing, endlessly towards Mahler concluding that development and Schoenberg and Stravinsky starting theirs anew. The vitriol towards the culture surrounding the classical viennese school is well grounded, and the Art does reflect that culture, but the ways in which that reflection may in fact be a less than favourable one can be subtle and complex, because that's what Art is all about and because it was still trying to show that reflection to the masses of its time and be accessible enough to them that they may even learn something from it. I think Žižek very much fails to find that nuance in his analysis of works of that period much to his detriment. I don't think any of the panelists here seem to be in any position to make any assertions about a composer half as complex and philosophically oriented as Mahler without having studied him and the philosophy of music as a whole a great deal more.

I love that Slavoj Zizek is dressed casually

"Metaphysics is junk" - I no longer have any interest in anything this man has to say.

Where can we see this in full?

I love how at some times Zizek himself looks like Marx

Where is the full debate? Or do we have to pay to watch the full thing?

You will find the scientists to always be the most religious of their perceived "truth".

I love how Zizek edgily hates Mahler lmao. Literally everytime his name mentioned you can see him holding back a groan

Which one is John Cleese? This was really Pythonesque

So much talk ! I think I'll just put on my headphones, lie back and listen to the last movement of symphony # 9. Ahhhhhhh

Mr. Wolpert should try the discipline of history, and read some of the very existential, metaphysical musings Mahler left in every single one of his scores.

There isn't a relationship between music and physics? Ok I guess it's something otherwordly then

My daughter cached up a little and asked me Is this Donald Duck🤣

Lewis Wolpert: ideologue of the dominator culture.

Wolpert maybe has got a point - can we actually interpret music through metaphysics? Does music transcend the linguistical circle? Maybe? I remember an Adam Neely video in which he shows how one people's music (rythm, music, tempo etc.) is connected with their language - and language is concept. So, maybe Wolpert made a good point - but not good enough. Music is linguistical, probably, and as such, is metaphysics.

There is no relationship between music and physics !! And this comes from a scientist !!

Floros is the only musicologist here . The others don't really have any understanding of music.

I don't know about you all, but I am tempted to go with the guy on the panel who isn't a clone.

where is a full version of this?

Mahler is my favourite composer and I'm sure if I lived in his day I'd feel the same way. However I live today and am an atheist. It doesn't mean I like Mahler any less (or Steve Vai for that matter)

What a weird event

GO ZIZEK, GO!!

He unironically said "metaphysics is junk" which in itself is a metaphysical statement that is unverifiable empirically.

This is a strange debate. I understood every point and it had no actual overall point. Just people arguing

I prefer to think of us being channels of both good or bad and make choices about what we act out. I also prefer to think that we can never understand where that comes from. Some are channels for amazing music, such as Mahler, and some are listening to the wrong channel.

A meaningless discussion to me, a mere listener of music. Everything that was important he left us in his art.

4.01 'you know, like in Annie Hall' - as if that old dolt in the right has ever done anything remotely fun like watching a film

Everyone who is on this stage while not occupying the same exact space as Zizek seems to be suffering from the effects of some sort of senility ray. Must be all that rapid gesturing. Hard target.

Slavoj Zizek's time perspective is apocalyptic. His attitude may differ from human psychology regarding attitudes to time perspectives in general. While human psychology is mechanical, Zizek's framework is wonderfully constructed if not by multiple synthesis; by a dialectic process without opportunist jumps. So does human psychology appropriate opportunism, or is such a charge not empathetic to fact?

I think Lewis Wolpert is a sweet and passionate man, who despite his lack of in-depth knowledge in philosophy and metaphysics, is still arguing for something unique in modern scientific attitude and praxis. Atleast he has quite rigorous empirical knowledge of his own domain of expertise, unlike Žižek who is a clown that has learnt how to dance around in every universe and yet really knows nothing but philosophical sophistry to appear as a sophisticated fellow. It's sad that people are so enamored by the performer rather than educators.

Zizek acts like a big sneeze has been coming for the last 20 years

lol, 0:00 - 1:10 that dude tried sooo hard to get thoughts to come out, but ended up speaking the most vague nonsense

Bravo, last guy talking!

true that. the opening guy takes 1:14 to say 10 seconds worth of information.

Physicists are so annoying

Slavoj Žižek is Jan Žižka reincarnated. A true warrior in his field .. kinda looks like him, too

Britain: Land of shopkeepers and scientists. No mystics need apply.

where to watch the full discussion?

Nice to see intelligent debate by intelligent people. However, I was prepared to give that Wolfert guy time of day until he said music and science doesn't overlap... what a clown.

Music, and Art is currently full of distortion; with fetishism, also we must not forget that knowledge is interconnected.

wolpert, who she? so glad they have zizek instead of a bunch of pompous experts.

where i can find the complete debat?

Did they invited any musicians?

Zizek is the best thing to happen to philosophy since Nozick. This panel of meandering buffoons (Zizek being the exception) is what put me off the entire discipline.

there is no relationship between music and physics??!!! who let this guy in

Scientists certainly have a metaphysical assumptions.

Worth?

human is a label that inaccurately labels us beings of this form, at least the general idea of what humanity is, or that we are the ideals or ideas derived since birth in the form of a mutated monkey... but in truth this is an illusion, for in truth we are the awareness, the ideas/ideals can be changed and our physical form has continued to evolve, yet the chimps have not turned into hairless monkeys or humans :P many equate feelings with humanity but animals have feelings too. love and light

Sheldon Cooper looks like this.... Feeling old yet.

Or just 10 seconds of information. Semantics. ha

Dr Floros still alive

another much more mature debate..

Plot twist : this is the NWO round table

Zizek and Janik are best

Someone likes snow.

Wubba lubba dub dub - Lewis wolpert

science is metaphysics

Typical british empiricism getting torn apart by german idealism

There is no connection between art and science? woah where do we begin? lol

Truth Event

let the man talk

NO RELATIONSHIP??? Pigments to paint with...? Sound? Fractals? VIDEO GAMES? :|

""There's no relationship between music and physics" for a scientist he seem to dont know about sound waves for example, and the importance of hertz frequency for the differention of the notes and audio engineering, resume: wolpert = dumb

In the end, my bet is that Zizek’s personal life is much more interesting and fun than that crone Wolpert’s.,

Language is metaphisical... All concepts are that also. First is an idea f.e. of transplantation of organs, etc.

then came covid and closed the discussion...

Wolpert, DESPITE being a scientist, doesn't understand the magic in the world and the great mystery of existence itself. Sad for him. And how can he say physics has nothing to do with music? Both are factualy happening in reality, both are described with the language of mathematics, music, or sound to begin with is physical. Then sound invokes distinct emotions so music is even an obvious connection between physical forces and the unseen, emotion, mind, consciousness. All of which is part of existence itself. Which is metaphysics. Is this dude dense?

Please someone call Sadguru.

To what story is Zizek referring in the Talmud?

The old white man meeting