Debating Pro-Life Tiktoker Lydia Taylor

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Жыл бұрын

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@ispeakelvish Жыл бұрын

Yknow… I always get a weird itch at the back of my throat when pro-lifers say, “if you aren’t ready for a child, don’t have sex.” Because I would say that probably the #1 reason people consider is financial viability. This effectively turns sexual pleasure into a right only granted to the upper class.

@user-du2yq4yz1q Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Like do they not know about rape or smth?

@paige7517 Жыл бұрын

Nailed it

@chrisarmon1002 Жыл бұрын

Not true. Sexual pleasure does not have to be intercourse. So they have that option right?

@_JustJoe Жыл бұрын

Omg...

@ashleycantrell9844 8 ай бұрын

Its Eugenic behavior for real

@serendipitousone 8 ай бұрын

She’s talking like we don’t let people die all the time cause they can’t afford insulin. Please

@melinadampier1641 Жыл бұрын

How is she gonna sit there and say that aborting your attackers baby will add more trauma?? If anything, HAVING your attackers baby will add more trauma cause then you will have to be reminded of that moment everyday.🤦🏽‍♂️

@missiamtwinkles0169 Жыл бұрын

Like make it make SENSE

@oakcanary4040 7 ай бұрын

Imagine going through HOURS AND SOMETIMES DAYS of labour to give birth to your attacker's child

@melinadampier1641 7 ай бұрын

@@oakcanary4040 I would be LIVID if I had to do that. Another thing is, what if they do have the attacker's child and end up resenting the child and giving the child a bad childhood/life?? They never seem to think about that part! They just care about controlling women!

@jzorto8955 5 ай бұрын

Sad thing is, this has happened already. The victim was forced to birth their r4pists child. And the motherfcker had parenting rights and everything. Extremely horrific.

@SleepyMatt-zzz 3 ай бұрын

I think she meant trauma for the baby, not the mother. Which doesn't sound any better. She doesn't even believe that a mother's emotional state should be considered. I hate to say it, but she is a monster.

@JessicaAndersonforVirginia Жыл бұрын

So much pivoting from her 🤦🏻‍♀️

@leelindsay5618 6 ай бұрын

I can deal with the pivots, but watching her watch herself and play with her hair and her face the whole time is annoying.

@ItsFuckinLoona 5 ай бұрын

@@leelindsay5618 ...Bro why is it annoying to see her play with her hair and face? That is some toxic neurotypical behavior straight up. If you are ND that is even weirder.

@unknowjondoe 4 ай бұрын

She destroys one of her key points. She kept saying "the baby is reliant on the mohters milk" but then says "I took care of foster babies" so babies who didn't require the mother for survival? It feels like she doesn't want to notice the lack of logic there.

@CharlieApples 4 ай бұрын

I have personal and professional experience with the US foster care and adoption system, and I am constantly shocked and disgusted by how many pro-lifers claim to be affiliated in some way as defensive armor plating and moral justification. These people, of all people, should know the living nightmare _horrors_ that children are _very_ often subjected to in this extraordinarily broken and dangerous system. Google reactive attachment disorder. Google crime statistics in correlation to adults who were in the foster care system as children. Hell, Google rates of abuse committed by foster parents who had _multiple_ foster children and are profiting monthly for each child that they’re “caring” for. I was never in the foster care system, and I thank god every day that I wasn’t. But hey, let’s make it so more unwanted children with zero rights to safety are pushed out into a world that sees them as a tax money pest!

@18Moonbeam 4 ай бұрын

This was my first thought too. How could you have real experience with the absolute awful situation so many children end up in when they were born to someone who couldn’t or wouldn’t care for them and still think “we should force more of this on people”.

@peachy8565 3 ай бұрын

The only thing I like about her is the fact she doesn't try and interrupt as much as other debaters.

@kristyjuarez2722 Жыл бұрын

Black women are at higher risk for death during pregnancy I wonder if sh knows that?

@pragmaticgrape Жыл бұрын

why do pro lifers ALWAYS have to bring up impossible scenarios that will never happen?? we’re talking about real life lady go tell your “organization” that

@morganm1225 Жыл бұрын

Listened to this live, was tough to listen to her a second time. She makes zero sense. She doesn’t even address the points that we’re brought up. 0/10

@jwomackandcheese73 Жыл бұрын

She wants to come off as reasonable and not a monster, but she's just wearing a mask. Idk if she doesn't understand how horrible her positions are or if she doesn't care. Clearly she has an incentive to want to keep the movement going since she is making a career out of it and it's giving her access to powerful people.

@Pensive_Scarlet 6 ай бұрын

"We are selfless, we are kind, we treat everyone the same, with equality." "No matter what, we will treat the vulnerable with respect, and we *will* provide for them in need. That is what the human race does." Hi, there, this is the aforementioned vulnerable. Just a quick question. Which timeline is she from, and where's the wormhole that takes me to it?

@TheHonestPeanut 4 ай бұрын

Let's say, for the sake of the argument, she lost this debate.

@russellh9894 5 ай бұрын

26:22 How can she say a fetus and baby are equally dependent on the mothers body when a fetus will die if the mothers body stops giving it nutrients and the born baby can be cared for even if the mother dies? Shes calling them the same but they obviously are not.

@eve0nline03 Жыл бұрын

ABSTINENCE. DOES. NOT. WORK. 👏

@TheLostKing47 4 ай бұрын

IT. DOES. YALL. JUST. DONT. WANT. TO. TRY. IT.👏🏼

@adaj472 4 ай бұрын

@@TheLostKing47 NO. IT. DOESN’T. BECAUSE. SEX. IS. NOT. SOLELY. FOR. PROCREATION. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@Imclbynrod 4 ай бұрын

It looks like you need a life style change

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

@@TheLostKing47i would rather have sex and get an abortion than not have sex lmao. My man is way too good not to fuck. And even if i do get pregnant, my man and I agree on abortion.

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

@@TheLostKing47a life without sex is just not a life i want to live. And you have to accept that. And you have to accept the fact that I can choose. And i want you to be mad about the fact that I can choose. I want you to be mad because that gives me what i want lmao

@thesizzlingpunk1757 Жыл бұрын

Bases her arguments in hypotheticals that aren't possible, misrepresents things that are told to her, and has beliefs that are based in internalized racism 🤦‍♂️

@EmeraldWaterHawk 2 ай бұрын

Well she got some white savior complex, bigotry, racism, misogyny, historical ignorance, privilege, virtue signaling, and a dash of the ol Dunning-Kruger…think that’s a conservative bingo.

@leelindsay5618 6 ай бұрын

Wow....she brought up slavery in defense of abortion...uh, no. She is just keeps assuming his stances and doesn't understand his stances even after he has explained them thoroughly.

@leelindsay5618 6 ай бұрын

Just gross how she is characterizing most women are dropped off by their boyfriends. She calling up planned parenthood and saying racist things to them is just gross. Saying racist things to planned parenthood doesn't make them racist. It makes you racist. Friggin yt chick with no reality check. Abortions are not proffitable. Black women are at much higher risk. Most abortions are not done by Planned Parenthood, and the majority of their services is just healthcare and birth control.

@SleepyMatt-zzz 3 ай бұрын

The logic doesn't even make sense. In what way is the fetus being exploited? It's not like I can profit from them picking cotton fields.

@MrBrokenwrenches 4 ай бұрын

Did she breastfeed these foster children?

@russellh9894 5 ай бұрын

19:24 She missed the point here. A fetus being dependent on the pregnant person is not the same as a baby being dependent on someone (anyone) to feed and take care of it. Anyone can care for the baby once it has autonomy. No one but the pregnant person can care for the fetus. It's comparing apples to oranges.

@jadengilliam5260 8 ай бұрын

also just because you call it “doing an experiment” dosen’t mean the thing she did with calling planned parenthood wasn’t completely racist to say that shit 💀

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

She is a young blonde white girl. The chance she is racist is not low.

@MsDarkLightening 5 ай бұрын

28:28 - "If I see a baby in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, I'm leaving it." I need that on a hoodie bc same. Like I'm sorry to that baby but you're going to cause more issues. If this is normal, end of the world dystopia, sure. Let's get you nice and warm and I'll raise you as my own. But zombies?? No, I'm sorry. If I don't have a safe space for you, there's no reason to.

@jadengilliam5260 8 ай бұрын

if you were the last person on earth, how could you possibly find a baby in the woods?! 😂 so many analogies made no sense just like that one lmao

@leelindsay5618 6 ай бұрын

Last person on earth, and...yeah... She's all about the baby, but if you put that argument (with the concession that the last 2 people not last person) that you find an old disabled person that is unable to procreate and is 100% dependent on someone else to survive, would you be required to care for that other person? Required? No. No society equals no requirement. Your personal feelings - if you want to, but if its you or them vs the big bad predator....well, no.

@russellh9894 5 ай бұрын

I think her gambling analogy fails because it assumes the person consciously walked into the building. But in the analogy, the casino is life. It would be as if a person was born and raised in the casino and the casino said "you can eat what you want, but if you do, theres a 10% chance we will slap you if you do choose to eat". That person didn't consent to be in the casino and is just trying to live their life. It would be immoral for the casino to hold a person against their will. But humans can't leave life like we can leave a casino.

@18Moonbeam 4 ай бұрын

I don’t think this is quite it either. The real issue is the analogy is terrible. She’s comparing the money owed to the pregnancy. But when I finish paying a debt its done. When I finish pregnancy, this “debt” (baby) only just starts to become legally enforceable and punishable for failure to provide for the debt. The casino itself is really just the system. Maybe the government. Sort of the womb. The bet/gamble being made is probably the only thing that feels remotely comparable to the risk of unprotected sex. But she then fails to account for all the other ways women can be made pregnant without their consent. All in all, it’s a poor analogy and she shouldn’t use it.

@jdev--_--99 4 ай бұрын

Just started. Wtf is with the dude passed out in her backgroubd

@SleepyMatt-zzz 3 ай бұрын

I know right? What was he doing there? 😅

@jadengilliam5260 8 ай бұрын

even Jovan said it himself, in response he went into saying how i’d be more worried about the person calling and saying they want to make a donation specifically for this, and the fact that she was 100% open with doing that and couldn’t see it was racist at all on the caller’s end is too much… 😪

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

Answer to the feed-the-baby-question: No, no one is obligated to breastfeed a baby. No matter where, when and why. No one is forced to undress and use their own breasts to feed a baby. No.

@Ramen_Noodl3 2 ай бұрын

"lets say for the sake of the argument, you agree with me... why aren't you agreeing with me?"

@TheRealBrit 6 ай бұрын

Giving a legality argument in response to the gambling arguemnt was an odd choice, I think it would have been better to stick with the bodily autonomy argument. Money isnt something that is in or requires your body so bodily autonomy doesnt apply to that example.

@acidicsubstance Ай бұрын

The "oh my gosh it's using my bodyyyy. You knew that could happen" was the most flippant disregard of another person's bodily autonomy and emotional experience I've seen in a good long while. Holy shit.

@russellh9894 5 ай бұрын

I wonder if an abortion debate would benefit from a huge whiteboard and a starting point of agreeing to the facts of abortion such as what the fetus looks like throughout each month, the period when the majority of abortions happen, etc. Then, the focus can turn to the areas of disagreement.

@SleepyMatt-zzz 3 ай бұрын

Considering that most people don't even understand what a fetus looks like during utero, maybe. I don't think it would help much though, because pro-lifers will just pivot. Most of them believe in the premise that "life begins at conception", but few will actually say it out loud because they understand that it sounds ridiculous to most lay people.

@faneres4841 Жыл бұрын

you follow the same science that other people have followed in their understanding? it must be an organized movement

@DoodilyDoo 26 күн бұрын

I think anyone who calls them “human bean” not “human being” shouldn’t debate this.

@laurahydrick5684 10 ай бұрын

God she argues just like Kristan

@jacoyawattley264 2 ай бұрын

My issue with pro lifers is that they don’t actually care about women and they use all these different analogies as if women aren’t human beings. Why is it that a fetus gets more rights than a full grown woman? Being pro choice for me supports women and their right to choose. I have no issue with people being pro life for themselves but I don’t think it’s right to push your beliefs on someone else, and I definitely don’t agree with laws being put in place to control women bodies.

@meditationandnaturesounds_ 3 ай бұрын

Best one yet

@mineral520 7 ай бұрын

So with no like other person or governing body someone should feel obligated to do something? Like what?? Who is going to be around to pass judgement or consequences? What a dumb argument. If you're the last person on earth and you find a same sex baby is it better to let it die as a baby or have an extreme life of hardship alone once you yourself die. That's more selfish really. Making yourself have someone around for the rest of your life. Making this person be completely alone for the rest of their life.

@mineral520 7 ай бұрын

Otherwise are you going to argue you're obligated to then get get impregnated by or impregnate the person once it becomes of age. Then what? You have a baby at like 40 50 60? 70? But you knew this could happen...🙄

@janagax Ай бұрын

Im also annoyed Lydia seems to be deliberately not understanding the difference between needing milk, and needing their blood circulated and cleaned because they haven't developed a heart or liver yet. These are two different things. The location point is weird as well, and it's clear she's trying to trivialise the pre-birth vs post-birth point by making it seem about the fetus' spacial coordinates rather than a critical milestone of dependence

@jzorto8955 5 ай бұрын

farm animals- whether they’re free range or from a factory farm- end up in the same slaughterhouse tho. They end up in the same place :/ I chose to eat plant based burgers instead. Before I went vegan, eating meat disgusted me😂 mainly bc I’d always bite into fat, cartilage, or Id see veins or blood and that shit made me sick. Now I can bite into my burgers confidently lmfao. Anyway, this was just my two cents a whole year later lol

@fl0xtez 3 ай бұрын

She has really bad takes but it is refreshing to hear someone actually listen to the words Jovan says and try to respond to them.

@janagax Ай бұрын

At 18 minutes im glad Jovan defined between dependence and viability. Lydia is trying to conflate between them which i think is dishonest

@dogomage9003 29 күн бұрын

oh my god i didnt even see that guy back there

@EmeraldWaterHawk 2 ай бұрын

Gah! Altruism is a survival adaptation and other critters have it too! Her idea that human are just sPeShul cause we can be nice to each other is not only incorrect, but incredibly intellectually lazy.

@caitmckenzie8951 10 ай бұрын

She is my hatred of choice like just her attitude is just aggravating

@nlsnmrgn_theblukid 5 ай бұрын

These peepo need to walk in another's shoes. Its a convoluted idea they have in their minds that they ARE right, even though its all feelings and no facts.

@russellh9894 Ай бұрын

I want to ask force birthers if they would be ok with ending a pregnancy if fetuses developed the brain in the last week of the pregnancy. Up to that point, it would essentially be a body without a working brain.

@EnglishPlays Ай бұрын

Literally no facts given by her. Her entire argument is “I feel this is wrong so logically it must be wrong”. When she said her brain wasn’t fully developed yet she had no idea how true that statement really was because development is so far off.

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

1:39:29 yea you care about women, until they're pregnant. Then the fetus is all high an mighty, and you 100% stop caring about the pregnant person.

@eve0nline03 3 ай бұрын

How would you give human rights to a body that has no personhood yet? You don't. Bodies without a person in them, don't get human rights. Sorry not sorry.

@chrisarmon1002 Жыл бұрын

So he values human being worth based off their stage of development and who he would deem a person. The issue with the pro choice side is this logic goes on and on. Example 20-24-30 ect ect they’re not a person to me YET! There for I get to take that life or cause their death.

@gentlegirl9270 Жыл бұрын

would you give a 5 yo alchool cuz they will become adults?

@chrisarmon1002 Жыл бұрын

@@gentlegirl9270 giving alcohol is a non human right. Can you kill someone who’s born because they’re not one ? So the logic is you believe we can kill someone who’s no developed enough right. If we can decide “you’re not a person to me = you have no human right” Like I said this logic can go on and on this is why we have pro choicers all over the place with person hood. Will you kill a premature child because they’re not a self aware ? Would we kill a baby baby because they’re not a toddler yet. So I’m against killing humans because they’re not person enough by someone’s personal opinion. Make sense?

@leonte5734 11 ай бұрын

Do you think dead humans deserve human rights?

@JanefleesTexas 8 ай бұрын

You’re completely ignoring the other side of that equation - the woman’s physical, psychological health and wellbeing destroyed by being forced to carry a unwanted pregnancy to term. It’s valuing the “worth” of an embryo/early fetus based on stage of development but that they’re completely unaware, have no sentience, and anti-abortionists value these non-sentient entities so much as to want to use the state to violate a sentient, born, living and conscious person. You ignore the women in front of you and give special rights to something that has no feelings. No other human has the right to use another person’s body without their consent. You cannot dehumanize something without feelings but you can dehumanize a born, autonomous, woman and what she wants for her life. Her feelings on the moral value of an embryo/fetus is not everyone’s belief on the moral value of that embryo. She has no right to decide people can ONLY have sex if they consent to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

@chrisarmon1002 8 ай бұрын

@@JanefleesTexas so here is the major issue. Now if you’re consistent with that believe even IF! The unborn is sentient it does not matter if a mother decides to even kill until birth. So when people bring up sentience it does not matter because her bodily autonomy rules over whatever she’s wants to do what ever is inside her body right? Now it seems you think once a child gains sentience or let’s say is more development we care and value this human more ? So you agree kill them until birth right ? Or would you force her to give birth to alive baby and take her choice away?

@HyenaMeat 5 ай бұрын

Why tf does this dood only have 7k??? My man is better than destiny, but I think that’s cause he is normal and doesn’t say shit just to get reactions. Super respectful👍as debates should be 🫶🏻

@blacksparrow15 5 ай бұрын

I started watching him 12 days ago and he only had 4.5k then

@HyenaMeat 4 ай бұрын

@@blacksparrow15 wild, this dude gotta get up there with the big boys but honest the big boys like Hassan and destiny are just really in it for the money and don’t ACITALLY do what they preach. Hassan has a EXTREME amount of fund he can DIRECTLY help people with. But he chooses not too.

@SleepyMatt-zzz 3 ай бұрын

The trashiest people are always going to have more views. Destiny is a degenerate, and is an aggressive debater, so it's no surprise that he has tons of subs.