I was in these staff and pastoral meetings and can say that this only scratches the surface of how Alan and the rest of the team, including myself, spoke about people behind closed doors. I deeply regret my involvement in this and hope that speaking out brings truth and light. Although in these audios, you hear talk of revival, what they really mean is having a large church, building a movement with influence, getting more speaking invites, and ultimately making money. Alan was obsessed with leadership and revival, but it really boiled down to numbers and gaining recognition globally, but mostly power and control. I witnessed him lying to people's faces, manipulating situations, firing staff, and doing whatever he deemed necessary to create a culture where people believed in and followed him, and where he had control and power. During the course of my four years, I became deeply afraid of Alan. He often threatened to fire me if he felt "I was breaking his trust." He would remind me often how lucky I was that he spent so much time with me and how I could lose that privilege, and he would say things like "maybe God was wrong about me," etc. He eventually began controlling who I could or couldn't be friends with, who I was speaking to and about what, and the list goes on. I went to Jeremy Riddle multiple times, afraid of disclosing too much, and I told him in tears only about Alan's screaming and threatening fits. He told me that this was the price for revival and how apostles and spiritual fathers behaved. Jeremy shared that he had experienced similar treatment at Bethel, specifically with Kris Vallotton and the Johnson family, and it had paid off for him in his ministry/calling. He encouraged me to endure Alan's treatment, assuring me that if I left Alan's covering, no other pastor would see me or my purpose and invest in me the way Alan had. He emphasized this, claiming he had visited many churches and knew. These audio clips only scratch the surface of the toxicity I experienced within the "inner circle." My husband and I have every intention of releasing a fuller statement with supporting documents about my time as a pastor directly supervised and mentored by Alan Scott soon. What else is needed to see change and accountability here?

It is time for spiritual abuse to be brought in the light and dealt with it’s hurting the sheep and it breaks the heart of God! Thank you for sharing

Being called "community-driven" like it's an insult is one of the best things I could hope to hear about myself - I hope it encourages you as well, Noah.

Silent subscriber here: my two year old son loves to drum, and has been watching your videos on repeat for the past year or so. He even copies some of your movements and I often ask him, “Are you doing Debolt drumming?“ And he smiles and nods his head yes. Just wanted you to know, you’ve been a huge encouragement to this household. My husband is in ministry too, and we will both be praying for this situation. I’m so sorry to hear about this, thank you for coming forward and telling the truth. God bless you! 🙏

Dear brother in Christ I totally understand how you are feeling! As a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit I was send by Jesus himself some 25 years ago to a particular church for receiving teaching how to worship, because in my own church it was not proper to express your feelings during singing to the Lord. In that new church I learned a lot from worship and praise God, but after a while the Holy Spirit showed me strange behavior of the leaders. They started appropriating the best food during meal celebrations, drinks the finest wines, while the normal people is served with the cheapest meals. They also introduced the payment off tithing, because there lavish behavior costs a lot of money! Long story short, I pray my socks of until I received answers from the Lord! And with the answer I received I approached the church leaders and they didn't like it, and we were told to leave the church! After that the Lord gave me one more message for them, "If you not continue the work I asked you to do, i will take the people of your church one by one until there are so many left that you can count them on one hand, and I will be the last one who will leave. " You know what happened? That church doesn't exist anymore! And I still loving Jesus singing praises from the moment I wake up till I laid down my head! So don't sit in sackcloth and ashes hold on tide to Jesus, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance! Forgive them and forget them and start your new journey with the Lord. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK, VERY SOON,

Major props to you man for standing strong on Jesus and His Kingdom. We’re all praying for you ❤

Noah, I am so sorry for you and your wife. I am glad to hear that you are still believing in Jesus alone! I have also seen churches that promote a really strong "culture" that is, in reality, extremely toxic and exclusive. For anyone in the comments, let this be a warning to avoid the churches that promote culture, not following Jesus!

Debolt drumming is a success and will continue to inspire many as it did to me. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise !!! I enjoy watching you play with such discipline, accuracy and grace. Continue playing for Jesus. Blessing from the Caribbean 🙌🏾🔥

Jeremy disliked me so much so I grateful not one of his drummers. But, before he left Anaheim he did tell the worship at the time NOT to use me as the drummer because I was “too old.” When he came came to Anaheim, before the theft, he wouldn’t even speak to me. I was kicked off the worship team without any notice, reason or a sit down to talk. I tried reaching out but nothing. It was at the same time that Kathryn Scott stopped talking to me, after a 15+ year friendship. Alan had already distanced himself from me and my family. Some time later I was diagnosed with cancer. Some of the board members, pastors and parishioners offered to pray for me before the service. They invited Alan to come, but he refused. Not once did he reach out and expressed his feelings about my cancer diagnosis. Again, this was supposedly my friend of 15+ years, our family spent summers together, vacations together, and countless meals only for it to end in complete silence. I can categorically say without reservation that the words to come out of Alan‘s mouths are so filled with deception and lies. And it grieves me that people that I know for over 35 years of attending the Anaheim Vineyard are citing with Alan Scott and Jeremy Riddle rather than the countless people that have been hurt and driven out from the church, where they met their spouses, where they married, and buried their loved ones, and where they raise their kids.

Man's Really said "They just wanna Care and Love People" Like it was a bad thing.... and then sending a text (and not an in person meeting) asking you to step down from any leadership. So sorry you had to deal with this kind of abusive leadership. I've dealt with my fair share of toxic leadership and luckily it has made me stronger and led me to the proper church, with the proper culture that I need during this time. I hope you find the same brother. Praying for you

I served at a church for a long time where the pastor (my ex FIL) told me, "You can't serve the Lord with tattoos and earrings." It was manipulative. What he was actually saying was, "You can't serve in MY church...". I was told after his daughter divorced me that if I got remarried that I was gonna close the door on lots of opportunities that God has for my life and that I was gonna close the door to God's blessings. I've had more opportunities to serve the Lord since I've been out of that "cult"ure. These people care more about the name of their "church" than the name of Jesus. Thank God that my faith was deeper in Christ than it was in people and that it didn't drive me away altogether. God bless you and your family in the future 🕊🖤🎶

This is major church hurt, and my spirit cries for you and your wife. Your videos have helped me to help others be lead to the Lord and the fact that Jeremy and Alan couldn't see that your ministry is just as important as their what maybe started as a pure ministry is just the devil at work. Praying for you and that Diebold Drumming sees the most success in the future that it ever has.

The problem with these worship driven communities is that they disguise themselves as churches when they are in fact, not. It is like a never-ending conference. And when people with other giftings want to join, they are alienated. Do you ever see evangelists in one of these worship movements? Hardly. Because it doesn’t fit the vision of constant worship. This model is not a real biblical church. It doesn’t include the entire body of Christ and all of it’s giftings. That’s what makes it feel exclusive or cult like.

As a “3” it’s disheartening to see that my body “type” is used against me to assume bad intent on my part. Ugh this whole thing makes me so sick

Thank you so much for sharing this Noah. I am so sorry this happened to you and I hope you are taking the time you need to heal. Sharing your story brings hope to people like me who attended VA for our whole lives and suffered spiritual abuse from the new leaders there as well. It’s so sad to see this happening, especially at the hands of people I’ve personally known my entire life. Thank you for your candor and for shining a light on this.

Thank you so much for sharing this. Churches like this are hotbeds for cults of personality. Worship should never revolve around a pastor.

This sounds like a cult not a church . I’m so sorry this happened to you!

I appreciate your willingness to come forward. It’s encouraging for me to feel like I’m not the only one who is/has gone through a spiritually abusive church culture. But it still doesn’t change the fact that it burdens my heart to see another story like this. There needs to be more safeguards and accountability of leaders showing these tendencies BIG TIME.

Just a thought. You didn't fail their test, they failed yours. As a follower it is our duty to test our leaders to make sure they are leading and preaching the true word and being as life giving and loving as Jesus. Please keep up the fight and know that we are with you. ALSO, please do more drum stuff when you feel ready. I cannot wait.

Amazing how people are more concerned about defending the evil rather than exposing the truth. Noah is not the only one who’s been abused by Alan and Jeremy. Let’s make sure no one else is.

Wow, thank you for this video. I went through a very similar situation while drumming and working full time at a church. It’s always been a difficult thing to sit down and process. Your story and insight has helped me understand the callousness that went on. It’s truly disheartening that churches are more interested in “culture” than they are helping out their own people.

My heart shattered when I heard the “so interesting” about loving and caring people, like for me that is something I truly believe, to love and care for each other is one of the primordial things, as a matter of fact it is in the Bible when Jesus is asked about the most important commandment. Noah I have no words only gratefulness, thank you for helping me in my drumming and for being open with my million doubts about drumming stuff ❤

So glad you are speaking up about spiritual abuse. Me and my wife went through a similar situation a few years ago. Thank you for stepping out and speaking Truth. 🙏🏼

I am from Brazil. I've seen both videos. I hope you stay with Lord, despite the spiritual abuse. be blessed!!

This story is heart wrenching. Tis leadership is toxic and despicable. I do not have to be a prophet to predict that this leadership will implode like all the others we have seen recently. So sad. So ungodly. What you sow, you will reap. Noah, the Lord delivered you! See it as a step forward and not backward. Thank you for bringing this into the light. When I saw the first video of Jeremy Riddle, I did not know who he was and where he is from. All I can say is that my inner response was “ this guy is a performer, not a worshipper”. May the Lord bless you and through your wounds others would find healing! From South Africa.

Welcome to the world of Christians who came out of abusive churches. Time to get Sound Doctrine in a good church where the pastor is the biggest servant of everyone. It is such a blessing this happend to you so you could get out. Thank you for your courage to share.

Noah, lift your head brother, in the right time God will do his justice. Rest your heart! A big hug. ♥️🇧🇷

These videos helped me a lot. I suffered years and years of spiritual abuse growing up. Well, what I learned from this video is that these church leaders don't love PEOPLE. They love themselves, WORSHIP themselves, and they think if they can just make everyone like THEMSELVES, their "church" will be the most awesome, because it is in THEIR image. So instead of being transformed into Christ's image, the people are forced to become like this idol.

This kind of stuff is insidious and needs to be called out. Good on you man

Man, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say this... I was never here for Jeremy. Not a hint of me even gave a wit about who's name was singing, or playing this or that instrument. I was here because I saw someone who served with such great passion on the drums that it inspired me to do the same! That was you bro! And I'm still here for the same reason. Edit: By 'here' I mean this youtube channel

For some reason when I innocently googled 'obsidion' I was taken through a maze of different videos and after about an hour, boom, I was listening to you recount your bad experience with a church I've never heard of and people whose names I do not recognize. So I consider myself pretty neutral as an outside observer. I have almost 80 years living on this planet and about 50 as a 'Christian'. I put that word in quotes as I'm not sure what that even means in and to this modern, culture-obsessed world. I simply know that the older I get the more I see myself as utterly helpless and covered thick with filthy rags; not deserving of anything but somehow blessed over many years to have experienced the immeasurable depths of God's grace, forgiveness and mercy. Your story is heartbreaking and I've no doubt that every word is true. I have been through a few of those kinds of events myself and can truly identify with your hurt and confusion. I know of the endless soul-searching, self-doubts, sleepless nights and all that goes with the nasty and gory train wrecks that result when someone you love and respect turns on you. I know you know that the sweet taste of personal revenge lasts but a moment and is something we should stay far, far away from. Revenge is for God, and only God, to address in a way that only He can. Proverbs 19:11 [amplified] comes to mind; "Good sense and discretion make a man slow to anger, And it is his honor and glory to overlook a transgression or an offense [without seeking revenge and harboring resentment]." This particular truth from Proverbs has not been easy for me to learn and I certainly still struggle with getting it sequenced deep and permanently into my spiritual DNA. But I'm pretty sure you, me, and all the other folks involved will be at peace with one another some time soon when we cast our crowns before the King of heaven in all His glory - and begin our real life in that celestial and eternal city built to spec just for us. You are obviously a talented young man with more energy and vision than you could ever imagine. Walk forward, don't look back, keep those furrows straight and fruitful, pray for wisdom, keep lovin' on the drummer community and let God do the rest. He will swab on gobs of His healing balm and pretty soon you will stronger than ever. I promise.

Thank you for sharing this. Any church that prioritizes “culture” over Jesus has already failed. Culture is something so important but if the center of that culture isn’t Jesus then sadly many people can get damaged by this. I pray for you and pray God can guide you through these moments! God bless you

You’re such a blessing thank you so much! 😢 I’m sorry you and your wife went through this and I hope that you all are okay now.

I’m so sorry for your hurt. Never having been in a word-salad church, and I can’t comprehend what these “leaders” are even talking about. I pray you and your wife have found a safe home. I’m going to go back and see if you have other videos that will help me understand. I can see and FEEL your heartache. This is not a “church.” I have no idea what this crazy is, but dear young man, I pray you find a doctrinally sound CHURCH asap. 💔. Here from The Messed Up Church. This old grandmother’s heart is broken for what is being done in the name of Church to young people these days.

This is what happens when there's no discipleship on both sides....

My son just started playing drums in church and as someone who's led worship for a couple decades now, I explained to him before he started that he must prepare himself to be hurt before he plays his first note. Unfortunately we are dealing with humans in leadership. That means pride, selfishness, lust, greed, etc. And it's in all of us. The only thing we can do about it is guard our own hearts, remember only God is good, and do our best. We can also move on when a church (or too many relationship connections) becomes unhealthy. Note I said when. I used to think church hopping was a bad thing... but, I now feel differently about that. I am married my wife (for life) and I am committed (for life) to the Lord. But it ends there. Even in the New Testament Paul parted ways with Barnabas. It's ok to leave those we minister with and it WILL happen. We will never have a perfect church or body of Christ while we're on this earth. I think sometimes, I long for it so much that it could become an idol. This is earth and there will never be perfection. We must not seek it. Keep up what you're doing with DeBoltDrumming. My son (who's gotten very good in two years), admires what you do a LOT. With all that said, I do not know Jeremy Riddle. God sees his heart as do some of those surrounding him. I do not know the Scotts either, but much of what is written about Alan is very concerning. Those who say not to question the "prophet" are in error big time! True believers question everything and weigh it against the Word of God (and even against common sense, we who follow the Spirit should NOT check our brains at the door). You're not the only source of this input on him and by a long shot. Just the fact that he's doing what he's doing with Vineyard's assets seems border line criminal (maybe full blown). He should have started from scratch vs taking what 50 years built and throwing those out who took part in building it (financially and otherwise).

The body type thing???? Wtf????? Thank you for sharing and being so transparent man. So sorry about the abuse you’ve had to experience over the years.

The term “culture” being used that heavily in a church is a red flag for a cult. Funny how cult is in the word culture. I’ve seen a church like these fall as fast as they rise with lawsuits galore. There were special gifts given to show you were in the “inner circle” like rings and watches. I was given a watch by someone which was one of the watches given to the inner circle and the questions began to fly. Everyone in the inner circle was compulsively asking me where I got the watch and how nice it was. I think the person who gave it to me wanted to give me a peak behind the curtain. It later came out in court documents about the watch I had and the rings being given for allegiance to the leader. Man charismatic Christianity has gone off the rails big time. This caused my to walk away from church years ago but came back when I was rooted in Christ more than an organization. These types of church can cause irreparable harm to Jesus loving believers.

My brother, Im Richard from Dominican Republic. I only can say 2 things about this: 1. I'm sorry 2. Please, please, please keep seeking and knowing God personally, don't let this event discourage you and your wife. People are imperfect, but God stills there for all of us. I'll be praying for you guys. Blessings!

I am so sorry to hear this. So sorry for what happened to you two. What is this "culture" and where is that in Scripture as the most important emphasis for a church? Where is the love? I'm thankful to be part of a church where we are growing in love for one another and in community. Yet we all bring different gifts and different perspectives on disputable matters. For a church to function well, everyone's gifts need to be accepted and used to the point that the person wants to serve and is a mature Christian. One problem with many NAR churches is that the "apostles" and "prophets" seem to be elevated above everyone else.

Oh my God. As soonas i started listening to this video I heard the Lord say "cult" and then later "Pharisees"... I know Jeremy's music and have loved it but later saw some preaching/teaching vids of his and something felt very off. I also watched a sermon by Alan Scott a couple years ago and immediately sensed an abusive man with a lot of arrogance and darkness in him. I never watched him again. This is horrible to hear and I am so sorry you went through this. Jesus loves you and I love you and I'm so glad your out of this now. May God bless and prosper you the right way. 💕❤

I can't believe some of this! they are cult leaders do they hear their own language 'soil'. My blood boiled referring to 'prophet' honestly what a complete abuse of power. I really hope one day they hear themselves and how they have got lost into a hyper charismatic cult and arrogance of speaking on behalf of God - its just shameful. The moment you hear 'man of God' 'God told me' and it doesn't match up against the word - run - run fast!

Thank you for sharing the recordings. It makes me sick how intentional Alan was about pushing out the congregation that hired him so that he could create his own church in the place that had been our home for decades.

Thank you for this. A leader is not someone who takes the position but earns it. I didn’t hear one verse when talking about leadership and roles. You are a priest of your home and no one can take that away from you. Wolves are not so easily discerned when they are in sheep’s clothing. God will expose them. Blessings.

Thank God for these recordings. All meetings should be recorded in churches.

Wow, how sad that people in Leadership misrepresent the heart of God and his kingdom. 🙏🏽🙏🏽😢😢 Thank you for sharing DeBoltDrumming 🙏🏽

Thank you Noah. Very eloquently expressed and it triggered recognition of similar patterns of spiritual abuse in a church I was part of recently. My experience was with the covert type; very manipulative, calculating, snake like, ready to pounce. One man controlled everything and everyone until the Holy Spirit revealed to me what was going on. I thank God for His grace. Jesus delivered me from that environment of abuse and left me with an experience where I can relate to others who have been through the same. May our experiences be used for the glory of Christ. God bless you from the UK.

Hi Noah, I feel myself as a very cause-driven person like Jeremy said. To be honest, I often feel depressed after meeting community-driven people and pouring out my heart and passion and they didn't even hear any of it. So I can kinda get why Jeremy felt that way. But at the same time, cause is never a reason to abuse or mistreat people. We don't trample over people to achieve our cause.

Thank you for sharing! Keep the faith and expose darkness!

Thanks for being so transparent, and warning us about this in our churches. Let's apply Matthew 18:15-17 as Jesus told us, and walk in the spirit, not culture.

Really sorry this happened to you.. and I'm saying this to you out of the love of God. But God encourages us to take all of our hurts and pains to Him. I am also on a worship team. The messsage for this season (for me) this year has been looking at the state of MY heart. What have been my heart motives? And how are my decisions glorifying God. This has challenged me so much in terms of how I go to handle certain situations. Where previously I would have spoken up about something I've had to sit back with God and really look at the state of my heart and the decisions I make. I've started looking at everything now - like "How is whatever it is that I'm doing glorifying God?" This question has effected everything that I do. The other day - God said to me "when you praise me on stage I want you to take that same passion and use it at the workplace." It was the most unbelievably hard thing to do because my workplace is so toxic. Everymorning before going into the office I have to ask God for cover. Then during the day I put my head phones in and just work with my praise music and podcasts playing in the back ground. I would go home and pray to God again in the evening before going to bed and then God would speak to me in my dreams (because that's what He does right? he speaks to us during the day and then reveals stuff to us at night) God was reminding me that these people I was working with - as toxic as they were - are still His kids. "That's my son/daughter you're talking about. Don't do that." I really had to choose to put the joy of God as my total focus. Our hope is not in people, as you have just noticed people will fail us and hurt us. We can not even trust ourselves. Our own hearts will deceive us. We HAVE to take everything to the foot of the cross and lay it out infront of Him. Airing a grievance out online against a pastor, leader or church member only reflects where our priorities were lying. It leads others astray and prevents the salvation of others who could be on the cusp of knowing Gods heart!! What a responsibility to bear! To know we have prevented another from knowing Gods love because we were hurt by a human we trusted so much that we placed them before God... Devastating and catastrophic result for everyone. We have a responsibility to lead people to salvation. Its good that you left an environment that you feel has lost focus. Let God deal with them. Cos He will! They WILL reap the fruit of their labours. God tells us this all the time. But for you... Take your hurt, pain, grief, betrayal to God and remember you're still on Gods assignment. And before you do anything - check your heart motives. Do whatever you do with the same grace, love and determination He gave us the day He gave His life. You've got this!!

Sorry, I just don’t see evidence of Jeremy Riddle abusing anyone here? That's quite a serious charge. I don’t know the man and am not a blind defender (or even a fan of the music) - but not a *single* audio example amounts to “abuse”? If anything Jeremy Riddle seems overly gentle and even nervous about asking what he asks. I've known abusive people, and, if this evidence is anything to go by, he absolutely does not like sound like such a person. I am specifically talking about Jeremy Riddle here, since your first video was about him and part of this one is. It seems all the comments are coming from an alternate universe. Sure, we can take a very different view from this church's leadership on how a church should be lead, but - going by this evidence at least, I saw no "crushing atmosphere" or "systemic spiritual abuse"...being enacted by Jeremy Riddle. Nor does you own story seem to cast Jeremy in that nasty light either. If what Jeremy did here was “abuse”, then any time a leader disagrees or has a different view on what someone should do, and presents that to them (or about them in a meeting) - it’s abuse. OK. People should actually watch the evidence and make their own minds up. Stories like this can take away from actual abuse, which of course does happen and must be vehemently opposed. If what you didn't like was how the church was being run, it is well within your rights to make a video about that, but you are specifically accusing another person of systemic abuse, which is a serious charge.

Wow, thanks for sharing your experience and doing in a loving way. I pray that the Holy Spirit provides the healing that you and your wife needs, that this community surrounds you, and that God continues to bless you, your family and ministry.

Man not gonna lie, I wanted to here the receipts before coming to a conclusion about this situation, but know I see that everything you talked about is true. That is not what church is about at all. Sad to see and I hope serious change encounters that church and that leadership. I am so sorry you had to go through this brother, this is just ridiculous.

Thank you for speaking up and sharing your story.

As a survivor of a similar type of charismatic spiritual abuse, I applaud you for your bravery to share your experience and for going to therapy! I wish I would have at the time when I decided to leave. It took me over a decade to heal and finally go to therapy. God bless you both!

Thanks for posting this. As someone who knew (before he went to Bethel) Jeremy, I think he's a genuine guy, but has been duped by Alan. For as long as I've known Jeremy, he's always been someone who reads the "radical/exciting" people in the Bible and wants to follow them. Sadly, at least in my opinion/assumption, it's perhaps more a pursuit of adrenaline. It's common the Bethel-esque church that seems obsessed with hyped spirituality vs being a disciple of Jesus. It feels like the quiet person who is faithful to Jesus is overlooked as being part of a different (less than) cause, in place of someone who will be more entertaining...as though the latter will have more of an impact on the "world/culture."

The last time I checked, Jesus never pushed people away, in fact he embraced them. We have to pray for Alan and Jermery that God would reveal the true heart of Gods intentions for this ministry.

What a beautiful work God is doing at The Dwelling Place. All I want is God….and He is there. He is cleaning up…you and I are next ❤

Wow cuz, I was unsure of how true this was until the evidence you provided in this video. I grew up really admiring and loving Jeremy Riddle as well, but this is very concerning. I’m glad that you and your wife are no longer a part of it and God is definitely going to bless both of you guys and use you in a powerful way.

Hey brother, as someone who grew up in church as a PK and is now a pastor, I grieve for you. The American church's desire for "revival culture" has deeply wounded people and deprived them of what Jesus actually called us to do: make disciples. You can't make disciples without intentional Godly community, and we see in the Word that this Godly community was NOT revival oriented or numbers oriented. Manufactured revival kills Godly community and weaponizes otherwise sound doctrine. I pray you heal, and that you can follow in whatever God has purposed you to.

We were members of a Bethel plant for several years and there were many similar issues. Instead of the Word of God and the gospel being preached, a new theology was being taught. “Culture” was more important than truth. Odd things were preached from the pulpit that weren’t biblical. I questioned these things and instead of being answered, I was told I could not return to ministry until I spoke with the pastors - as if I were at fault. They misuse prophecy as a manipulative tool. I highly recommend a Rhema church which is charismatic church but solid in the Word.

“But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.” 2 Timothy 3:1‭-‬5‭, ‬9

After about 6 mo. I have come back to your channel to see if you've posted anything new. In the spirit of love, I (a 70 yr. old praise band drummer) am telling you to get back in the game. We've all taken our share of lumps and bumps along this crazy worship journey. Jesus needs you playing for him because the time is short. Satan also needs you....... out of the game, (not working for God). It's up to you who you let win this battle!

"Cause-driven"? "Community-driven"? "The health of the culture"? "80 in the worship department by tomorrow"? This is a business, not a church. The church is the bride of christ. Im not from North America. I'm so confused. Where is Jesus? I never heard him mentioned once in what ive watched so far. Are they truly born again? I really mean that question. Where are their hearts at? The things above or the things below? In Acts they said it seemed right to us and the Holy Spirit to do [....]. The mindset here is so worldly. They are also Marthas much distracted by many things but only one thing is needful and Mary chose the better part. Thanks for this, I didn't know Jeremy Riddle was like this but these people don't know the Lord intimately judging by their fruit, hey. They throw the word "revival" and "worship" around and they don't seem to ask God for direction because their goals dont match the heart of the Father. They do 'interviews' and they judge people on "types". They are always talking numbers. So strange. Scary. Jesus said "it is written, My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a 'den of robbers'." I'm glad you're out of there. You (mostly) dodged a bullet. I would ask God which church is right for me to go to and not be worried about being a part of any "inner circle". Just my take.

Bro! I was wondering where you went. Long story short; I went through something very similar….. and I can say with great certainty, I’m glad you are back and talking about this. I’m sorry you and your wife went through this. Thankfully, Jeremy Riddle is not God and he can go pound sand. He will be accountable to God on his day of judgment. and I pray for a massive blessing on you and your wife’s life. For filtering this church and it’s leadership through the discernment of Scriptures. I love your drumming, I love all the videos you ever made. You were a massive inspiration, and still are to me as a worship drummer. I can’t imagine the amount of crap that you guys are having to work through right now, but just know, God is bigger and better than Alan Scott and Jeremy riddle. DeBoltDrumming blew up because of your faithfulness to God and the gifts and talents that he blessed you with. You honored those and used them to serve God. Jeremy Riddle is spiritually corrupt in what he said to you. He does not have authority over you, only God does, and again he can go pound sand. According to Jeremy, your channel shouldn’t exist because without his authority, how could you have made all those videos? You said it best I wanna love on drummers. Bro, that is one of the most sincere acts of love and kindness. And you’ve backed it up with all of your actions by putting out all this free Content over the years. Where as Jeremy riddle is paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to manipulate people. “I just wanna love on drummers” that’s something Jesus would say and do. And he sure as heck would never tell you that you’re a failure. Because unlike Jeremy riddle, an Allen Scott, Jesus loves us unconditionally no matter what. Their culture is to make money and it’s obvious. That was never your heart in any of the videos that you posted prior to any of this happening. I just want you to know how much of a blessing you are to thousands of drummers around the world. I pray you and your wife hold your head up high. In fact that you got out of this place and saw through the manipulation and evil. I pray for inspiration and motivation to get back to doing what you love to do, because let me tell you brother it was a bigger ministry than Jeremy Riddle, an Allen Scott could ever hope to have. because it was from the heart, true and you never tried to manipulate us. Be true to yourself, bro! Surround yourself, with people that truly love you and accept you for the way you are, and who you are. Never give up the passion that God put in your heart. Your videos are a shining beacon of hope and joy that comes from Jesus Christ. Way to go man, way to share Jesus with other people in a glorifying way, and using your talents for the good of everybody, in the name of Jesus. What an awesome inspiration you have been to so many drummers. God bless you and your wife. I can’t wait to watch you prove the enemy wrong. God Bless DeBoltDrumming

The fact that they looked down upon “loving and caring for people” as a CHURCH is CRAZY.

No Brasil é a mesma coisa amigo. Infelizmente, o mundo está lotado de pessoas assim, e é por isso que eu não volto para a igreja, perdi todos os meus ânimos! Eu também sou baterista no Brasil e acompanho o projeto debolt drumming desde 2019, agregou bastante na minha vida espiritual. Um abraço, espero que você e sua esposa possam enfrentar isso da melhor forma. ❤

Proud of you for putting this out bro. We support you

At first, it's hard to understand and you don't want to believe in things like that. Until you see yourself in a similar situation. The isolation is tough.

A very similar thing happened to us in a Vineyard church years ago due to an insecure pastor and the prophetic hitting the Vineyard movement at the same time. He thought he heard a ‘word’ on us, stripped us of our small group & other leadership responsibilities, & wouldn’t even let us pray for anyone anymore in church! It was extremely painful & confusing. Yet God met us in that time, we left, and learned about spiritual abuse. About a yr. later, the pastor called us in another state, apologized and publicly exonerated us before the church. That was amazing as we never expected it. This doesn’t happen to all that go through spiritual abuse though. Cory B.

Sorry you went through that, Noah. Prayers for you and yours.

This doesn't surprise me at all. I've grown up in church. I've spent more time in church than not. I've been a part of healthy churches and part of abusive churches. There's been multiple times that I've wanted to walk away entirely from church, not my relationship with Christ, but His local church. The worst thing that can be done here, is pretend this isn't a real issue and dismiss them. The main reason why people don't come to church is the lack of transparency. Many people leave because they don't feel valued. It's really a shame. We don't carry the banner of Christ's love and grace faithfully, then expect the world to rush to the alter. That will not happen. Tired of hearing a need for revival in America, what we really need is a revival in our congregations. It starts from within.

As a worship leader myself I think where Jeremy is coming from is wanting his team to be sold out to only the purpose of "Revival " and anything else should pale in comparison, and i get the impression that Noah plays in a secular band and that is not an indicator of ministry focus,i know many Christian's play in secular bands and think it somehow glorifies God,but does not model sold out ,set apart focus on Revival

This is breathtaking. “They are going to take a year…” to what? To become what? God gives us a lifetime to “become” LIKE HIM! Not a specific culture or thing that or someone like Jeremy! Someone they can “USE”??? This is shocking! Thank you for sharing! We STAND WITH YOU! How fortunate you are that you got OUT!

I’m so sorry for what you have been through. Thank you for exposing this…extremely toxic and disgusting. When JR said: “I draw people”, it’s like, I’m sorry, I thought it was God that draws people! When you become focused more on culture than Christ, you become a cult. This is detestable and I am thankful more of these people are getting exposed!

Glad you had the courage to come out about it. I went through something very similar. The gas lighting, the intimidation, the clear and direct insults, the character smear campaigns, and the workings out of that socially through their saturation into the community. The purposeful cruelty. The manipulation of the sacraments. The scapegoating. The demonization. And the explicit communication that you are of no use to God- which is what the rejection of a calling really is. I frequently have deep regrets that I didn't record all of the conversations. But going into those conversations why would I have? If you're a young well meaning minister, deeply committed to Christianity and the gospel and the Kingdom of God and your trying to work in a church and be helpful, and be mentored, why would you start recording all of your conversations with somebody? These toxic abusive behaviors are a feature not a glitch. Interestingly enough the resurrected Jesus doesn't go back to the Chief Priests and the folks wielding the executive power of the temple apparatus and offer them forgiveness. That discloses to me in part, that there's something very damning about spiritual abuse from a pastor,. There's a moral seriousness to t's effects, what it does to its victims, the possibility of repentance, forgiveness, reconciliation or change. So saddened to hear your story. For what it's worth, you exist now as the truth of the gospel. That may well be one of the lasting gifts. You are a true and credible witness.

SO sorry you have had to go through any of this! I'm a PK and my Dad retired years ago. This video brings to mind when Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15-20 (fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, endurance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control) We are not to judge others, but let them go and shake off any hurt. Just know that anyone who hurts someone will answer to King Jesus. We ALL come from our Father in Heaven! SO sad to hear!!! I pray Jesus brings you his true love and comfort for You and your wife!!! I had to come back and edit this to add: remember he was groomed to be this person, in my opinion, so whoever/whatever corporation is financially gaining from this parade, is ultimately responsible. Jeremy needs other fellow Christians to pray for him so that this attitude stops. I'm SO sorry this happened to you! Forgiveness is sometimes harder than other things, but true Freedom is in Forgiveness! Be blessed in Jesus Christ name! Amen. ❤🙏❤ Maranatha!!! ❤️

"Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies them". Romans 8,33. Greetings from Brazil to the best worship drummer

Hey Noah, love your drumming. Sorry to hear what you've been through, but young man... saddle up and start over again, nothing in the past is worth holding on and can hurt you anymore, unless you give it the power to do so. May God bless your heart and heal you. Get up, shake off the dust and nay the Lord shine on you. Unless you let go, God in my experience does not deal with those we hold resentment towards.

Hey Noah, I just wanted to say I’m so sorry for what you and your wife went through. Hope you can find complete healing and restoration, love on people, build community and see DeBolt Drumming grow.

I have been speaking up about spiritual abuse. More people need to know about it because they are in these spiritually abusive churches being gaslighted and thinking that it was me. The Lord will use the bad that happened to you for good. So that you can help others who dont know their way out.

This is heartbreaking bro, I'm a South African who loves to lead worship at my church and I've always really looked up to Jeremy riddles leading like really, i guess this has just shown me that the only person you can truly look to and aspire to be like is Jesus. So sorry that this has happened to you but keep your eyes on Jesus bro, he is doing a good work in you for his kingdom, to him be the glory.

Yep, I’d take community-driven over cause-driven any day. So sorry to hear about how hard this has been for you, Noah. I hope some distance from it all has been good to you

Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” COME ON BROOOO!!!!

Seen this this morning leaves me broken feeling because my spiritually abusive physically abusive mentally abusive husband is the one who got me to love Jeremy riddles worship music. Before watching this I had to pray that God would open my eyes to the truth and teach me how to praise him in Psalms and hymns only. If he is the same yesterday today and forever then why are we changing his music in the first place or changing the way we disciple people?

Brother, I commend you for the courage and love for God's sheep in coming forward. While I have made my YT channel videos private, most of them are having to do with spiritual abuse. After I begin a new therapy position I will make them public again. I am so sorry that you and others have had to endure the ramifications of all of this. My prayers are with you and your wife.

I am a worship drummer myself and it hurts to witness how ministry is becoming a business rather then a calling. I've always looked up to Jeremy's way of worship, and I think he is and will be one of those who are more or less authentic, however, he is so easily influenced by other people. I listened to his podcast with him and Matt Redman, and he seems to have experienced a lot of spiritual trauma from bethel. I believe Jeremy is still a good person, but he is being indoctrinated by Alan. Let it be known that the rise of the antichrist is on the brink, and many wolves are walking around in ministry with sheep clothes as disguises. I have very little trust in leaders because I also have had similar experiences in churches where I just simply wanted to embrace my calling as a drummer. This is not a unique thing. Pastors all around the world, and even from my own experience in my country chase world merited cultures rather then the morals of the word of God. This is only the subtle signs of the times.

Gone through a similar situation with my pastor as a drummer praying for Debolt

Hope you are doing well! I was part of Vineyard Music for a LONG time! I was very encouraged by your drumming during the CA government lockdown of in-person worship in 2020! I even bought a Strike Pad because of your very creative "noise" crashes :) God has you and your wife in his loving arms. Jeremy is 'back at it" and it makes me sad that he just gets away with what he did, and has not apologized or owned it. He's in good company with Mike Bickle (sp?) Oh well... GODSPEED brother!

Im currently reading Scot McKnights book A church called Tov and he really presses into the abuse of gaslighting! This is important video! Thanks for sharing!

Whew I’m in the position of leadership in my Community. You’re series has been an eye opener to see if I for one, a victim or a pusher of spiritual abuse. Hope all is well with you! Did love your worship stuff.

So sad and heartbreaking. This was not what John Wimber wanted and started. It was a safe place for all to come and be accepted. This is not Jesus. I hope you guys know that. So sorry….God bless you….

Ugh, I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I was raised in the Vineyard church, and the exploitation of musicians is rough. I had so much abuse happen through the various cults that I attended and worked in, and the healing process is long. Wishing you and your wife healing. It's nice that you guys have each other.

Very well put together video Noah. Love you brother, onwards and upwards!

Went through a very similar situation. As hurtful, difficult and confusing as it was, my eyes have been opened to the true deception and religious narcissism. But in the midst of the storm the Lord provides his peace beyond understanding to guard our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Now all i have is the Lord to rely on, not other people. Sad to say, my wife chooses to ignore their abuse….that’s the real pain. Our marriage has not been the same since.

I watched this whole thing, and felt the familiarity of it all with my own experience of spiritual abuse. I’m so sad to hear this about a house of the Lord that ‘seemed’ healthy. I’m so sad for you and your family in this. I pray an abundant blessing over your drum ministry and blessing over your the dreams and heart you have for community!

As a former worship leader who really looked up to Riddle before I left the Church and Faith thank you for this. Deconstruction is hard, and painful and I really hope you and your wife take care of yourselves and help each other through this. This kind of toxic leadership is not the exception in the church it is the norm. Thank you for going public.

Man, I'm so sad that was the wrong place. I've been in churches were it's painful to be. But Church in Scripture is to be a loving caring community and the cause of Jesus Christ. May the Lord heal us from people's behavior

This is crazy to me. All this talk about the 'corporate' culture, but where does the gospel come into play? I don't believe Jesus modeled doing things this way.