Decimator Design DMON-QUAD 4-Channel SDI MultiViewer

Decimator Design DMON-QUAD 4-Channel SDI MultiViewer - Demo & Walkthrough

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6 жыл бұрын

The DMON-QUAD 4 channel SD/HD MultiViewer from Decimator Design. A walk-through of its features, and my thoughts on the device.
Product Info & Purchase Link: djp.li/dmonquad
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(My apologies for the clipped audio; I had no way to monitor during recording.)

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@IanCresswell 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Doug. Love that there's no silly music, lots of in depth information, real world use cases. Very helpful for industry professionals. Thank you.

@garylee6413 6 жыл бұрын

I've got it from B&H yesterday, and run the test over an hours. it's good. The latency is not obvious.

@ImAStudio 6 жыл бұрын

Exactly today morning I looked this in an shop 😅

@AntonPrint82 4 жыл бұрын

Nice one very good 👍👍 videos multiview

@moltenpros 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@jabbermikey4085 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I have the 6 input version, and wanted to make sure the Quad had the same customization for a specific project. Now seems like the performers in the feeds need a plug! Who are they?

@MichaelBrown-eh5lm 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review @Doug Johnson Productions I noticed a big glitch when you use the DMON front panel to switch Certainly that doesn't happen when you switch it on air on the ATEM right???

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

Correct

@cleantones 5 жыл бұрын

Have you ever used this to create a supersource type of shot? I bought one with intention to do so and am just tinkering with it now. I use the ATEM 1 M/E and the PiP is less than ideal.

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

I haven't personally done this. This unit would work for that if you're willing to live with some of the limitations. For example, since it doesn't have loop-through outputs, any of your video sources would either have to be split to go to the QUAD and a switcher input, or be dedicated to the QUAD. And your options for borders are more limited as well. It can be made to work, though it isn't necessarily ideal.

@cleantones 5 жыл бұрын

There definitely are limitations. Thank you. I have Decimator cross converters between my ATEM and cameras. The second outputs could feed the DMON. I wish the DMON could crop. I might make an overlay with areas to key out letting a couple of well placed sources come through on the DMON. Unfortunately it pillar boxes 4:3 content and a lot of my workflow still has 4:3 PC feeds.@@djp_video

@acabo20 2 жыл бұрын

Doug, Great video. I have a question. Can you make 2 inputs full the whole screen instead of partial like you showed in the video?

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

You can, but one will completely obscure the other, so it doesn't really buy you anything.

@apntv 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, the PIP option looks good for something I need. Is it possible though to crop the PIP screen? I see you can stretch the window and aspect ratio but I'd like to be able to add a square PIP with a signer and just crop out the edges a bit, I didn't see that as an option on the setup screen can you remember if that was possible?

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

I don't remember off the top of my head. Perhaps the owner's manual will have that information?

@apntv 4 жыл бұрын

@@djp_video No problem, thanks Doug. I have actually bought an ATEM Mini to do this on the output of my 1 M/E 4K, so that I can record a clean feed, but it does mean using a short bit of HDMI. The DMON looks a more sturdy solution. I'll look it up on Decimator Design.

@franklingorora2362 5 жыл бұрын

Doug, Can this be used as a simple switcher to go from say Cam 1 to Cam 2 out program?

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

I don't believe that would work very well.

@shawnkay8649 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, forgive me if you mentioned it in video I might have missed it, am I correct that you don't need to have it hooked up to a computer in order to switch between views or custom presets? Is it only necessary to preset certain buttons on the front of the device itself so that once disconnected they can be predefined to the actual buttons?

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

I no longer have the device in my possession to test, but I believe that all parameters can be configured with the front panel interface. It would be tedious, but I do believe you can do it.

@shawnkay8649 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the answer! Btw, the 1080p limitation of the device doesn't effect my use for it. All my recording is done in camera at higher resolutions. My use for this device would only be for referencing three camera feeds on one monitor. I'll use your link for the purchase. Thanks a lot for the review.

@satronen 4 жыл бұрын

I have DMON-QUAD outputting 2 windows to a LiveU Solo encoder. 1080p works fine, but I can't seem to get the LIveU to recognize any of my 720p formats? I've tried changing the Decimator window layout down to 1280x720p to match the output size, but that didn't solve it. I can output the Decimator SDI and hdmi to a monitor at 720p no problem, but it's 720p SDI or hdmi output is not recognized by the LiveU. Any thoughts about Decimator settings to check for 720p output? thank you!

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

I haven't used the LiveU Solo myself... perhaps someone else here can weigh in?

@Ps3Games6 6 жыл бұрын

What SDI repeaters do you recommend if we want to extend our connection an additional 100-300feet? Great video btw.

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

You can use basically any device that passes through an SDI signal to regenerate it. Even something as simple as the Decimator MD-LX (djp.li/mdlx) or Blackmagic Design SDI-to-HDMI Micro Converter (djp.li/bmdms2h) ... the feature you're looking for is "reclocking" and most devices that have the ability to pass through an SDI signal do that today. There are dedicated devices meant specifically for this purpose, but they don't really bring much by the way of advantages to the table. If you want a solution that doesn't require active (powered) devices along the run, consider running the signals over fiber. A pair of BMD Optical Fiber Mini Converters (djp.li/bmdof) along with singlemode fiber (blue LC connectors) will let you run for miles.

@Ps3Games6 6 жыл бұрын

Doug Johnson Productions thank you so much

@bwoogie 6 жыл бұрын

Doug, off-topic, but I notice your video (of you in the multiview, and also on the views in the background) is delayed. Is this from your switcher, or something else? And do you do anything to combat it in a live situation when outputting to projectors?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

By far, the majority of the delay is the LCD monitors themselves. The delay from images entering the cameras to switcher output is about two frames, so it's hardly noticeable.

@shawnkay8649 5 жыл бұрын

True. Either the LCD monitors or the camera or device outputs. In fact in my experience the camera or device out has the most lag.

@davidbogie1606 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Doug, 4 independent windows can be displayed. Is there any way to record those 4 independent windows to independent files? Thanks in advance.

@djp_video 3 жыл бұрын

This unit doesn't record. So you'd have to connect four recorders.

@utilisemedia 3 жыл бұрын

i wish they would hurry up and come out with a UHD version. Ive asked

@bighalofan000 Жыл бұрын

Hi Doug, could you use this to create a live slideshow, with 4 cameras, set to change with transitions, looping continuosly or should i be looking at another product, thanks

@djp_video Жыл бұрын

You probably want something else.

@mikeg6716 3 жыл бұрын

does this support 4k input and will it convert it into a 1080p signal? trying to get one for streaming 2x alexa mini LF cameras to zoom clients.

@djp_video 3 жыл бұрын

No. It's HD only. And they don't have a 4K equivalent product as of now.

@emilyb1641 Жыл бұрын

Can I expect any latency issues if my input sources need to be converted from a 100’ HdMI to SDI into the Decimator? Thanks for your helpful videos as always, Doug!

@djp_video Жыл бұрын

You won't have any latency from the HDMI cable, and if you do a simple conversion from HDMI to SDI (no scaling or frame rate conversion) there won't be noticeable latency there. But the DMON-QUAD will add a little bit of latency as it scales the source video to a window.

@WideOpenChange 4 жыл бұрын

Will this work good to make a 65” tv a monitor for a Mac and PC at the same time?....can it kinda make it 2 ultra widescreens?

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

With some limitations, yes you could combine two video sources into one output.

@jabbermikey4085 4 жыл бұрын

If this is plugged into a projector, and one of the quad inputs drops signal, this won't cause the projector to renegotiate the hdmi signal, right? The way the DMON QUAD works is kind of like the "HDMI lock" you see on the Blackmagic 6G converters?

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

I believe that is the case, but don’t quote me on that

@trevor5545 6 жыл бұрын

Doug, thanks for reviewing the device! Pretty cool little box. I run a one-man show with an ATEM TVS HD, could I use this device as a PIP type device? My thought is that I could run a couple of channels out from the TVS HD into this multiviewer and then return the signal to the TVS. Would that work?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The one thing that might be nice to have, which you can get on a higher end product, is looping outputs so the signal chain doesn't have to terminate at the Multiviewer. But if you can afford to dedicate a couple of outputs, this is a perfect product for that.

@trevor5545 6 жыл бұрын

Right on. Thank you!

@FlotionStudios 6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. Could you set the background colour to green too and key it out and replace with a background image/colour?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Alex Robinson The DMON series are only multi-view devices. They don’t do any kind of keying.

@AaronKothe 5 жыл бұрын

@@FlotionStudios according to the manual, you can set the background color to one of eight different colors, one of which is green.

@manicc214 5 жыл бұрын

Can i get two different output on HDMI and SDI outputs? like Multiview window in HDMI and Input 1 video on SDI output?

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. The manual states that the outputs are linked.

@tiredoftheliesalready 5 жыл бұрын

I'm kind of new at this stuff (excluding security CCTV setups over 14 years ago) -- I'm actually a Software Developer/Sysadmin looking to solve for a specific project I was placed on. Basically, my task is to overlay our cable TV output with some company notifications, news, etc within a common room. While I have the platform for the notifications already figured out, my thought was that I could use a few BlackMagic HDMI=>SDI (BNC) converters, and feed both the notification content and the TV together with the DMON-QUAD in a custom layout (85/15 split). However, as I am new at this type of thing, I am not 100% certain, and do not want to waste company money. However, after watching your review on the DMON-QUAD, it sounds even more like what I would need to do. Do you see any issues that would prevent my plan of using a multiplexer/multiviewer to combine the two video sources from working?

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

I no longer have this so I can't test it for you, but you may have difficulty getting the 15% thing to work. I didn't test to see if you can have one of the view windows go off-screen, you might be forced to have that 15%-size window be really stretched horizontally to get it to fill the screen but not actually go off-screen. You may be better off getting an old BMD Television Studio switcher and using the Luma Key feature of it to overlay the text on top of the video.

@dylanlok1082 2 жыл бұрын

just curious does this device provide external control like Crestron or Extron?

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

No. It can only be configured via the front panel interface or Decimator's proprietary software over USB.

@DrLoveQc 5 жыл бұрын

Do this product could do a 2 screens, crop in middle, to show the quality difference between 2 sync video source? let say input 1 show from left to center half the picture, and input 2 show from center to right. It is for a specific need I got at work to comapre quality feeds.

@djp_video 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you could do that. But you'd want to make sure that the scale is 100%, and that the resolution/frame rate match your sources. If you do any resizing or there's a difference in frame you'd be losing quality.

@DrLoveQc 5 жыл бұрын

Great thanks for infos!I think I will give it a try! I really need to compare quality on video encoders but side by side view is good and also monitoring tool with quality analyst, but I always dreamed to be able to do a 50/50screen with 2 sources and see the difference. is blackmagic profuct able to also do this? I got many of their products and so far they never failed. I love your videos it help me understand better the video production !

@okerac8344 6 жыл бұрын

What headset are you using?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

It's an AKG C111LP.

@DwijadasSenapati 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any tool to measure signal strength? or do you use any ?

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

Knowing signal strength really doesn't tell you anything. When an SDI signal breaks down it is usually due to other issues, like the "frequency response" of the cable. Over long runs higher frequencies and cheaper cables are attenuated more than lower frequencies. Also, higher frequencies travel faster than do lower frequencies, so with long cable runs they can get out of sync enough that it's impossible to decode them. So instead of a device to check signal strength, a device that lets you see a visual representation of the quality of the signal is more useful. This is done using an eye pattern. In my Diagnostic Tools video I demonstrate and talk about a device that is capable of doing just that. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7uGqZyAzrmognU.html

@markthomas8018 2 жыл бұрын

I am streaming with a C100MK2 to BOXCAST, which is saying frame rate is too high at 50fps. Is this what I need then? 25p and 25i?

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

I've never used BoxCast. You might consider checking some of the articles on their site as to what video formats and bitrates they expect.

@tonygarcia1986 6 ай бұрын

Question: How would you add this to a video router and what use case would you use it, if so? Thanks.

@djp_video 6 ай бұрын

You can take four outputs of the routing switcher and feed them into the inputs, then take the output and feed that back into the routing switcher. And then route whichever four sources you want within the routing switcher to the QUAD, and send the quad view to any destinations you'd like within the routing switcher.

@tonygarcia1986 6 ай бұрын

@@djp_video thanks for the quick reply!

@odysseasrapantas1669 6 жыл бұрын

Hi there, do you think I can use this Decimator to produce a picture with a background video, a Powerpoint and a speaker? Creating a custom layout?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

So Picture-in-Picture? Yes.

@odysseasrapantas1669 6 жыл бұрын

Actually something like the ATEM's soupersource. With 3 layers, one as a background, one the powerpoint and one with the speaker. Are there any cropping capabilities on the sources? And finally, thank you for the quick response, your video is very helpful

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is capable of doing this.

@odysseasrapantas1669 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks again. One last thing, can we hide all titles of the windows and the audio meters?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, all of that is configurable.

@queefreak666 6 жыл бұрын

So what's the deal with the buttons on the front of the unit. Is there the ability to set this unit up without the need for a computer interface?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Yes. As was mentioned in the video.

@ians.4284 6 жыл бұрын

Yea definitely wish Decimator was in the UHD market. UHD on a budget for my church is taking some extremely careful planning and budgeting. I know you terminate your own coax for SDI, but have you ever terminated your own fiber? Is it doable and can all fiber carry a 12G signal?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

It is doable, but it requires some pretty fancy and expensive gear to do it.

@ians.4284 6 жыл бұрын

Yea, I assumed as much. I suppose it isn't worth it for how little (compared to large datacenters) of fiber we'd be using. Is all single-mode capable of 12G and what about the benefits of single over multi in terms of video signal?

@AusEdge 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Ian, single will give you longer distances at higher bandwidth. Not much of an issue however with a single SDI 12G signal. But can certainly start to effect you if you start playing with multiplexing to get several pictures from A-B. I would recommend going single mode. When it comes to compatibility of 12G and single/multi mode, the cable is not going to be your bottleneck, it will be the bits of kit at each end you will need to be ultra careful with selecting.

@fmr_productionsofficialllc7965 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Doug...Honestly, this sound little bit odds and novice, but I'm old fashion guy who came to know about pc after been an adult. I've trying to do those online live streaming in youtube, but i cannot be able to get them out there online with good quality, specially with the right resolutions with good color as well. Do I need to purchase something like this divice you are showing in this video and one switcher yes or not? Does the Decimator Design DMON-QUAD 4-Channel SDI MultiViewers good for those kinds of online live streaming and video performance or it just for offline shows? And if yes, where or how i should connect it into my audio signal flow to show the live video with sound online? I have two video camaras just with usb connection plus the two builtin camara of my two apple computer, which are one Imac desktop and one laptop, plus my audio setting in my home studio which is a Digital MiDA M32 live and recording mixer 40 channel, my two speakers monitors and my interface and some other gears.

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

It would work fine for live work, if a multi-viewer is what you need. Audio would have to be processed separately. This device doesn't mix audio from multiple sources. If you have audio from your cameras that you need to include, you'd want to extract that and send it to your mixer.

@fmr_productionsofficialllc7965 4 жыл бұрын

So, that means, that this DMON decimator doesn't accept audio source thru it, it neither sinc its HDMI outputs to be send to the pc and from the pc upload to the internet?

@FAMEAcademyNY 4 жыл бұрын

Can you go the opposite way? One in and four out?

@djp_video 4 жыл бұрын

Not on this device. You may be looking for a distribution amplifier.

@gabrielbuessio 6 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to do a full screen overlay of 2 different inputs?

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what you mean. Could you clarify for me?

@gabrielbuessio 6 жыл бұрын

Have 2 different images on full screen each one with 50% opacity

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Buéssio I haven’t seen anything in the interface to set the transparency of video sources, so probably not.

@cowley639 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone willing to send me the software to control the DMON-QUAD? I have been trying to access the decimator website for the better part of a week, and my browser it keeps timing out and won't load the website. I just bought one of these and am looking to control the unit to add custom titles, and layouts, etc.

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

Here are the direct links: MacOS: decimator.com/specs/UCP%203.0.0.dmg Windows 64-bit: decimator.com/specs/DECIMATOR_UCP_3.0.0_64.msi Windows 32-bit: decimator.com/specs/DECIMATOR_UCP_3.0.0_32.msi

@juniorfa2620 4 жыл бұрын

tengo uno y lo tengo en venta

@alvinburrell 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe its me but there isn't any sound...

@mitchellneth 6 жыл бұрын

Bro, peel that screen protector off.

@djp_video 6 жыл бұрын

As mentioned in the video, I'm not keeping it.

@azbaroj 2 жыл бұрын

Videos are too long .

@djp_video 2 жыл бұрын

That isn't consistent with the feedback I usually get. It seems that most of my viewers like the additional tidbits of information that I throw into my videos.