Deere 3E Series or 3R Series, Which is the Better Value?

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Deere 3E Series or 3R Series, Which is the Better Value?

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Got a question from a viewer who is trying to decide between the Deere 3E and 3R series of tractor. Nikola was originally comparing a John Deere 3039R and a 3038E, trying to decide whether to purchase the economy model (E) or the deluxe model (R). That's an easy answer for me based on 25 years experience with buyer psychology. Get the 3R series.
If you're a bargain buyer like me, you just want the most horsepower for the cheapest price. So, I wouldn't even be considering the 3R unless there was an abundance of inventory and the price was really close to the 3E. I'm not willing to pay for a lot of bells and whistles.
But, if you're like Nikola and you've closely analyzed the options and you really like the features of the 3R, but are trying to decide if they're worth it or not, you'll probably never be happy with the 3E. Same situation applies to people who are wrestling with whether or not to buy a cab tractor. If you go the cheap route and get an economy tractor, or get a tractor without a cab, you'll always be wishing you had spent the money and gotten what you really wanted. So, if you're on a budget or just not even considering a deluxe tractor, go the cheap route, if you're on the fence, get the deluxe tractor.
Nikola ended up writing me a second e-mail to ask about comparing the 3038E with the 3033R. So, now the choice is between an economy tractor with more horsepower or a deluxe tractor with exactly 5 hp less. Would you notice losing 5 hp? In my opinion, while 5 hp is a large percentage of the total, if all implements are matched to that horsepower range, you'd not see a noticeable difference between the two. Most of the time, horsepower on small tractors is not a limiting factor to anything you do. In my mind, a more important consideration is front end loader lift capacity.
So, I went on Deere's website and compared the 3038E and the 3033R lift capacity and it wasn't even close. The 3032R has over 400 lbs. more lift capacity that the 3038E which has more horsepower. That probably means the deluxe tractor has a bigger hydraulic pump and/or more weight. That makes the decision much easier...get the 3033R.
Finally, I want to complain to all the manufacturers for failing to fully differentiate the economy and deluxe series that most offer. Deere, Kubota Massey, New Holland, Mahindra, Kioti, LS, all have an economy series of tractors and a deluxe series, and rather than make that distinction on their websites and in literature they tend to try to play up both tractors as being deluxe. It's really confusing for the first-time tractor buyers. I'm waiting for the manufacturer with the guts to show the economy and the deluxe tractor and tell exactly what the options are that are not included on the cheaper series. Dealers don't seem to have a problem with that, OEM's just can't admit they make a stripped down version in language that we all can understand. End of rant.
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@MrScallops 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, the 3033R is still way more expensive than the 3038E. I think Nicola changed from comparing a 3039R/3038E because the 39R is just so much more money, and even though so is the 33R, at least it’s more affordable in comparison. That said, I too considered the 3038E and 3033R and went with the R. The 33R lifts much more because the hydraulic pump has a considerably larger flow rate and the tractor more body weight - look at the axles, diffs and gearbox housing on the 33R, they are much more HD than on the 38E. And for my 5 acres, slashing and general duties, a 24 HP PTO is more than enough, but I do want maximum lift capacity. The 33R, 39R and 46R all have the same hydraulic setup and lift capacity so between those tractors it’s more a question of HP requirements. Love your vids Mike they have been invaluable to me. Regards from Down Under!

@warped2875 3 жыл бұрын

Another thing to consider is minimum HP requirements for any 3-point attachments you may want to use, and what each tractor can put out to the rear PTO.

@matthewjones8620 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Mike, I have a 2013 3038E that just crossed 200 hours, it routinely pulls a 6' rotary mower, a 7' blade, and does a whole lot of loader work, two things I have noticed over the years, 1. The E series atleat in 2013 does not have split brakes and that has caused some trouble a few times in sticky situations on a hill side or if my blade is trying to steer the tractor a direction I don't want to go. 2. I bought a generator a few months ago and an R series loaded the generator just fine in my truck, I got home and my E series would not lift the generator off my truck, I had to use the forklift. I will say I can pickup some huge buckets of wet dirt and it dosen't fuss about that, I actually just moved around 30 tri-axle loads of top soil with my 3038E. I hope this helps I love the 38HP, I have only bogged my tractor one time when I discovered a spare tire while brush hogging and it got tangled up in the mower and let me tell you didn't give up easily, it caught me off guard and I will admit it ran a few seconds before I got the pto turned off, it sounded horrendous, honestly I believe 38HP is enough to tear things up on that frame size tractor if someone pushes it too hard.

@DaileyWoodworks 2 жыл бұрын

This was very helpful. I’m looking for a compact tractor and I wasn’t thinking of loader lift, only hp. Thank you. I’m leaning toward the JD 3r series cause “buy once cry once”

@donaldemmerling9622 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for explaining the lift difference with tractors. Was thinking of buying a new tractor for better lift but was only looking at overall horsepower. Keep up the informative work.

@timziegler9358 3 жыл бұрын

Your explanation of differences on the 3 series JD tractors was right on point! Thank you

@DonLIII 3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to include the "D" model! Pleased with my 3035D that has just what I need except hydraulics that can be added afterwards or ordered prior. Great tractor!

@williamgaines9784 3 жыл бұрын

I got the 3035D as well. It had the most advertised PTO and hydraulic volume of the 30ishHP 3 series and a better price than the hydrodrives and I did not want a turbo just to get 5 more PTO horses. I am still learning the instruments, (keep reaching to shift with the loader stick🤪 as a longtime automotive, shortime tractor operator)but am getting the hang. Mostly mowing and Lanesharking(which would have been out of reach buying a hydro drive), so far, but clutching and throwing the left side directional lever is getting easier and easier. The levers on each side of the seat are a bit tight, I am a big boy & typically bump the three point lever when buckling the seatbelt, but am getting better at those too.

@KrazyKajun602 3 жыл бұрын

@@williamgaines9784 Can you let me know how you like your 3035D. I am looking at the 3035D or 43D. I just need a simple gear tractor without all the bells and whistles.

@markdesmith2663 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard also a difference between the R series and the E-series is that the E-series loader cannot be quickly unhooked you have to unbolt it unlike the other series where you can take it off much easier

@johnseavey6622 3 жыл бұрын

They all have quick unhook now, about time

@Will-tm5bj 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnseavey6622 the 3e tractors can NOT remove their loaders.

@mikeolson5857 Жыл бұрын

I think the most notable difference is that the E models have an aluminum case vs cast iron on the R and D models.

@jimmcknight3021 3 жыл бұрын

I myself am going to to either get the JD 3R series or one of the smaller Kubota Grand L series. The reason being is that since I'm older I appreciate the extra features each of these manufacturers have on the series. The weight is important in order for some of the heavier attachments that our family will be using connected to the front loader down the road. You have to have enough weight in order to handle them even with ballast in the back. Also the extra features like the ease of taking off the loader is an important time saver. Also, they both have the loader shifter very close to the seat whereas they're more economical models of both brands have the loader shifter further away.

@jackwilson9039 3 жыл бұрын

Wanted cab with air, but worried about low limbs when brush hogging. Everytime one hits the roll bar, glad I didn't get cab.

@txtpqb 3 жыл бұрын

your comments about lift capacity is something I would've never thought of, especially the smaller HP having MORE lift cap. !

@Alanschmalzried 3 жыл бұрын

Deere’s model nomenclature may be a little muddled, but Kubota’s takes some serious study to understand. My eyes rolled back into my head when I tried to decipher their model lineup.

@carlpeterson7218 3 жыл бұрын

Working for a manufacturer, I feel the pain on talking about economy vs. premium. Then add to that (in our case) where you originally planned for a stripped-down economy model but the consistent feedback from dealers was that they didn't want another stripped-down model because they were losing deals on the stripped-down model, and so we added the metaphorical kitchen sink back to the tractor and ended up with an "economy" tractor that was equipped as well as or better than our existing "premium" model. So we decided to call them "value" models.

@mikefox6172 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike. As someone who recently went through the 1st time buying process myself I van can fully relate. There's a lot of information to sift through and understand how it is presented.

@mlaw207 3 жыл бұрын

Great feedback for the manufacturers. The frustration goes up significantly when you are trying to compare models between manufacturers also. I eventually went with Kubota which at the time offered more horsepower, lifting capacity and value.

@raysorensen8868 3 жыл бұрын

I have 3032E 4 years now I routinely back throttle to 1800 RPM tractor has more power than traction great little tractor

@ImplantedMemories 3 жыл бұрын

Yea noticed that too. The engine is really powerful. Would be a perfect tractor If they build it heavier. It's still a good tractor, but I think I would buy a more heavy model next time.

@5stardave Жыл бұрын

I find the Deere website quite easy to understand. Then again, I've been using Ram and Chevy websites for years. Luckily, I learned in the '70s that some companies expect their customers to either be educated and discerning on the subject matter or be trusting gullible saps that don't really like to make decisions and need to be spoon-fed small little bitesized pieces of certain information. The kind of people that get frustrated at all the choices when going into a Walmart looking just for a pair of "jeans", and find all the different brands and styles. "Do I get flexible or standard, boot cut or straight legged? Do I need a coin pocket or cargo pockets?"

@EugeneCapeder 3 жыл бұрын

Well done, appreciate your supporting slides. Agree - marketing is confusing and models overlap. In addition to the optional cab - please note that JD R offers optional mid PTO.

@hughhead9079 3 жыл бұрын

Great segment and really hit the nail on the head with this Mike! I'm on this same fence right now debating "E" vs. "R". The comments about stepping up for the luxury features and the higher weight/loader capacity hit home.

@SethKrieger 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. As a newbie in 2018, I decided to go with a JD 2038R over a 3038E and a 3039R. I don't regret my decision (much) but I didn't know anything about hydraulics and the hydro specs didn't have much meaning to me at the time. If I were doing it again now, hydraulic capability would be at the top of my list of considerations!

@dustyvanbrocklin4731 3 жыл бұрын

I love my 3033r. I needed a mid pto for a mower deck, but wanted the extra feature too for the 3r. You can’t get a mid PTO in a 3E. The 3R is just the deluxe a tractor.

@semco72057 3 жыл бұрын

I am an owner of the 3032E tractor and love it, but do recognize the difference in horsepower and work within it's limitations. I thought about buying the "R" series, but didn't want a cab or the extra features it had on it. I already had a 2002 790 tractor and it works great also and the main difference is that the 790 has a standard transmission where the new one has the automatic transmission.

@bilz0r 3 жыл бұрын

100% agree with Mike... lift capacity much more important... though I'd also look at just the weight of the tractor too.

@showmemomaineiac32 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid Mike! I got lucky finding my first tractor, which happens to be a 3033R with cab. Like my buddy said, house without a/c, but tractor is...a true Mainer! ShowME!

@rgd2598 3 жыл бұрын

R series has 3 range transmission, loader that comes off very easily where the e only comes with two range and loader is basically permanent. Axles are much more robust on r series... and has cruise control, split brakes, better alternator as well as lifts 30% more

@3pRanchTx 3 жыл бұрын

Great timing. I’m considering trading in my one year old 3025E for a 3033R. Two reasons: lift capacity and more comfortable seat. The rigid seat frame of my 3025E is murder on my bad back, even after modifying it with an aftermarket suspension platform. The 3033R has an OE suspension seat that should provide a much better ride. My Deere dealer says all of the loader quick attachments I have are interchangeable between the two tractors.

@axellove1266 3 жыл бұрын

Good job. I think the R. Is heavier so they could use a better loader. I have 2. 3025e. In landscape business both have been pushed to the max doing hurricane cleanup after Michael in Florida one has 800 hrs trouble free the other is personal use with low hours. I prefer the deere for landscape because it out turns the kubota which is key when working in yards. I say trouble free but the key thing is I do the maintenance per the book

@nohands3255 2 жыл бұрын

You were looking at the 300e msl loader. The standard one only lifts 800 lbs.

@DanielTorres-hu1zq 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing the comparison. You provided some very useful information.

@jimmcknight3021 3 жыл бұрын

One other thing that might be helpful on the 3E series versus the 3R series is that maybe the better way of looking at it is that in the JD world, the is is kind of in between the two are and three are on a lot of its features and weight.

@martybeaudry5747 3 жыл бұрын

great stuff man! I hope I can still talk about tractors when im 100 years old. LOL

@willagresham2978 3 жыл бұрын

I was looking at a 3038E. Ended up buying a 2038R.

@FloridaDeere 3 жыл бұрын

yeah i think the 2R is better than the 3E as well

@user-fv8zz3qc4b Жыл бұрын

At this time get a 3E with a MSL loader and narrow that lift gap. The MSL data is all over the JD catalog but online you will never see this upgrade from the retailers.

@charlesreed6404 3 жыл бұрын

I can tell you in my research John Deere was way over priced for what your getting. This statement might cause someone's head to turn, but there are many other great brands out there other than JD and Kubota. Suggest you look at both JD and Kubota but once you settle on one, then look at the "less popular" brands in the class you are looking for. You might be pleasantly surprised. Oh...and don't forget to research the dealership and it's customer relations.

@darrelstinson4737 3 жыл бұрын

Good advice Mike. The R series are a lot better than E series.

@mkc0005 2 жыл бұрын

As usual, I saw this video AFTER buying my 3038E. I think I would have been better suited even going down to a 2 Series R.

@davidj4662 3 жыл бұрын

Why are John Deere’s green? So you can hide them in the weeds when they break down.

@Butch-fn2xr 3 жыл бұрын

I hate to tell you but they make a “D” series too.

@deeremt9532 3 жыл бұрын

E series doesn't have a lot of the options as the R (cruise control, tilt steering, arm rest, ect.)

@russellrogers3260 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it is still true, but it used to be some implements ( namely BH) can't be put on the economy model. I the this had something to do with the axle. I agree I would by the R model.

@clintbennetsen6392 3 жыл бұрын

I believe that starting in 2018 the JD E series tractors can accommodate a backhoe, but not prior to that year.

@brianhillis3701 3 жыл бұрын

Rear transmission is aluminum in the E series. Take a magnet with you to the dealership. Look at the weight difference. E is lighter. Need to add weights to get the same performance.

@brianhillis3701 3 жыл бұрын

If you are mostly using it as a big lawn mower the E series might be right for you (wont tear up lawns as much, less unstable load issues). If you need to pick up heavy items or use ground engaging equipment the D or R series might meet your needs better. He is right the web sites show lots of models but don't explain advantages and disadvantages of each. They go by acreage which is code for how much you will be using it and for what types of tasks.

@matthewcrabtree6668 3 жыл бұрын

No longer aluminum.

@MrDoyle07 3 жыл бұрын

I had a Kubota and liked it too... until my skull cracked and I got a Deere. Never looking back. They're No. 1 for a multitude of rerasons. I love this 3039R. No contest.

@matl4551 3 жыл бұрын

3E is more comparable to 2R, both in price and capabilities. 3R is a definite step up

@ranchitosantos5165 2 жыл бұрын

Need some advice. Someone is selling me a 2020 jhon deere 2032E tractor with loader and box on the back, has 50 hours. Asking $20,000, is this a good or bad price?

@geomod6850 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful. Thank you.

@Sleepydollheart 2 жыл бұрын

Getting my 38E this week or soon but all the new E n R series tractor have so low lift capacities!!! front n rear, one thing I don't like about it.

@garymeyer3294 3 жыл бұрын

The main difference is the frame, front axle and rear end. The E series has lower lift capacity because the front axle housing is lighter and can't handle the extra weight. The E series has an aluminum rear end whereas the R series has a heavy cast iron rear end made for backhoe and real work.

@boydmasonlake1995 3 жыл бұрын

R,m and e series. E or economy is missing options that are std on e and m series. Quick detach loader being one of them.

@zachtheiler4283 3 жыл бұрын

Hi mr Mike. Love your videos Ive learned alot stuff from you off here . Ive been looking at tractors thinking about purchasing one some time soon and i wanted to ask your opinion on massey ferguson and mahindra . Ive narrowed down to those 2 brands on features i like but im leaning more towards the massey ferguson 2605h and the mahindra comparison horse power is the mahindra 5555

@jamieshields9521 3 жыл бұрын

I seen JD offer so call same as old 6R one but different spec 6MC but failure tell customer they get older cab design n low output hydraulic but save money. My boss said he going get $30,000 cheaper new telehandler from JCB with same features, I told him RRP is $160,000 not $130,000 but I got I didn’t know what I was talking about. Well when new telehandler turn up it was next model down in size, not what he wanted, so be clear about model n features not try n find saving dollars when buying new. Otherwise go for used model like demo if want something close to new.

@KrazyKajun602 3 жыл бұрын

Well my issue is I would like to know who in this world needs 12 or 24 transmission positions. I live here in the farming community, my brother owns multiple tractors and he only uses a handful of gears. Its crazy.

@4x4Moses 3 жыл бұрын

When I was shopping for my first new tractor, I thought I wanted a JD 3038E. But I quickly discovered that it was NOT a durable machine. After comparing blue, red, and orange tractors, I bought a Kioti DK4510. I don't regret it at all!

@colmanmccarthy1354 2 жыл бұрын

Good video 👍 thanks

@brucealvarez9263 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but then there is the PTO difference! My tractor is the same as the 3033R for PTO and lift capacity but if I had the 3038E's PTO HP I could have a 6' flail instead of a 5'. Not sure why the 38's lift capacity is so low.

@dyannevans9179 3 жыл бұрын

Mike , till her about that Regin that is a bad thing . Ron I know I have one nothing but trouble.

@richardbunch7014 3 жыл бұрын

I usually find that a tractor runs out of behind (BUTT) before it runs out of HP. I have a JD 2032R and it’s a great tractor for what I use it for, bush hogging,disking,and mowing my yard which is 5 acres. I have a loader and my question is: is the weight of the loader figured in on the lifting capacity and if it is should you subtract the weight of the loader itself from the lifting capacity? Just curious.

@TractorMike 3 жыл бұрын

It's figured in. They rate them by adding weight until the loader won't lift.

@richardbunch7014 3 жыл бұрын

Tractor Mike thanks for the info and I really enjoy your channel!

@johnkovac4436 3 жыл бұрын

I GOT 3520 WITH BELLY MOWER WITH 38HP LOVE IT BUT TRADING IT IN NEXT YR FOR 3046

@michaelthompson7570 3 жыл бұрын

Not even in the small print,,just have to know what you looking for!

@MikeBrown-ii3pt 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone watching this video have experience with the Nortrac brand tractors sold by Northern Tool?

@redbovine 3 жыл бұрын

I dont know much about the 3 and 4 series but the 5 series stay away from them. The 5E had hydrolic problems when the were run hard making hay. It heats up. I had a 5M that had trans problems and had to put 4 oil coolers on it before 1000 hrs.

@doomman700 3 жыл бұрын

I tax my 25hp often while brush cutting.

@danielbrink5069 3 жыл бұрын

What all would you check before attempting to start a 64’ Cat D6B that’s been sitting for 9 years. No Pony motor

@chief1193 Жыл бұрын

Yanmar 24 hp and no emissions has 1200 lb lift capacity. How come you never talk about those tractor? They seem to blow all the other tractors out of the water and come with 10 year warranty.

@rogerr1296 3 жыл бұрын

Another very frustrating thing when doing your research is the "Price: Call for quote" on every single tractor listed on the web sites. I'm sure there are some things that can vary almost daily in price but, I don't understand why they do not list the price on most of their inventory other than it being a way to get you in the door or get you to put your contact info in so they can bug you with marketing emails and phone calls.

@matthewboyd3297 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 5125R tractor from John Deere and the front end loader cannot be unhooked or reattached within two hours. Even on a completely flat concrete surface it is completely on advisable to detect that front and loader and expect to reattach it In a reasonable amount of time. Shame on John Deere

@johnkovac4436 3 жыл бұрын

whAT ABOUT 3046R ?

@fhuber7507 3 жыл бұрын

You pay extra for the green paint...

@deerrudy 3 жыл бұрын

My advice dont get either John Deere model, get the Kubota L3301 instead. Lol

@johnseavey6622 3 жыл бұрын

I'll buy mostly made in america not just assembled in america. My 2003 4310 never has had a repair yet and many more hours than most owners put on their compact tractors.

@jefferywalton8176 2 жыл бұрын

Shoddy castings and poor fit finish. Kubota looks like garbage comparatively.

@enricofavetta4633 2 жыл бұрын

3038e.!!!!!!!!!!

@thegreatchickenoverlord5976 3 жыл бұрын

> he insults John Deere Bout time.

@jefferywalton8176 2 жыл бұрын

Cabs are very over rated in 3 series. Open station just way more convenient for the jobs it can do.

@ed5990 3 жыл бұрын

or go with mahindra more of everything for less

@rgd2598 3 жыл бұрын

... and more electrical gremlins too. And a whole lot less factory backing as they will find a way to not stand behind their warranty.

@warped2875 3 жыл бұрын

Woo-hoo!

@allenhenry1113 3 жыл бұрын

Get a Yanmar!!

@swampwhiteoak1 3 жыл бұрын

The best series of John Deere tractors is the “NO” series. Don’t buy John Deere because they are overpriced inferior products. Plus the color is ugly.