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Defeat POKER SHARKS: Outplaying Aggressive WINNING Players
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@EfficientRVer 5 ай бұрын
Villain is a winning player for the simplest two reasons. First, awareness of his table image. Second, he uses that to make a winning "GTO plus exploits" player like Bart fold 50% of the time here while getting 2 to 1, meaning that in the absence of counting combos and dealing with figuring out exact opponent ranges, he still is playing well along the lines of what Sklansky calls "gap theory" (need a better hand to call than to bet) and what Doyle simply explains as "I know I'm probably beat if they call, but by the time they call I've won enough from other folds they make that it doesn't matter." I know that what I'm saying above doesn't quite give GTO or GTO + exploits quite enough credit, especially when hero finds the call. But it's how a lot of winning players win, when they don't know precisely how an opponent plays, and neither player can therefore construct accurate ranges for each other. Sneaking in extra bluffs when your table image is that you're a winning player who isn't an over bluffer, is pretty profitable. When you're not sure what to do, doing what Doyle would do is not the worst thing in the world to try. It reminds me of a physics professor giving us a problem that was impossible to solve the obvious way because it involved dividing by zero. We were all stumped, as he hoped we would be. Then he explained how he solves problem like that himself. He said that Enrico Fermi would replace the zero with a number around 1/10,000th the size of anything comparable in the problem. Obviously, you needed to use discretion in deciding whether that means to use that fraction of a length vs an area, vs a volume, etc. But wave your hands if you must, while deciding which of those to apply the fraction to, and do it. As the professor said "If you and I and Fermi were all faced with needing to get around an unsolvable equation, I'd rather use his guess than yours or mine."
@TheNow_Now 5 ай бұрын
great comment and interesting insight. I think your comment about overall aggression is correct, and people may overfold. However, the flip side of this is that an incorrect preflop 3b, followed by turning a hand into a bluff on river that can win sometimes if river goes check/check, went from a .5bb mistake to a ~215bb mistake, which hugely impacts win rate. Overbluffing in nodes like these - especially with hands that shouldn't necessarily be turned into bluffs can be extremely costly, even if you are a winning player.
@Simon-nv5zj 5 ай бұрын
I automatically know villain is not a winning player by his turn bet. It’s horrible.
@calistogawoody8639 5 ай бұрын
As someone who counts Enrico Fermi as a personal hero, I have never thought about applying that line of thought to poker; woe is me😅. Also, I am absolutely keeping your professor's comment in my pocket as a life lesson. Thank you.
@theryan244 5 ай бұрын
I mean… pretty sure hand is too strong to bluff for solver. And it’s never 3betting pre ever. So pretty sure dude just was doing what all the cool kids are doing and turning any hand with a flush card into a bluff cuz GTO bro.
@EllieBanks333 5 ай бұрын
@@theryan244 Villains hand is too strong to bluff? You're surprised by someone playing 3 bet or fold from SB? What are you talking about?
@natejohnson3638 5 ай бұрын
Love how V is made out to be this good reg when it turns out he's just mindlessly clicking buttons. Preflop and turn are horrendous.
@ProWagerHub 5 ай бұрын
Yup. Unless hero has been PFR’ing like a mad man. Even then, 3-bet ATo turned into a triple barrel with top pair is comedy 😂
@EfficientRVer 5 ай бұрын
@@ProWagerHub Yet, both hero and Bart considered it a coin flip whether to call, and villain's bluff was only 1/3 the size of the final pot. The river bluff was therefore profitable if he does it twice and gets called only once.
@Tobi-pn2xs 5 ай бұрын
@@EfficientRVeryou have to think of hero's range, not his hand. It doesn't really matter how much he calls with any hand, the amount of folds in his range is what matters
@TheMiningProbe 5 ай бұрын
The preflop is pretty bad but not atrocious. Against this big sizing and hijack it is obviously a fold but against later position and smaller sizing ATo can 3 bet. Turn is laughably bad
@andrewadami3920 5 ай бұрын
I think the pre flop 3 bet is a good play. As ATo is a good 3 bet bluff candidate from OOP. The turn bet when your pair your Ace, however, was not great imo.
@danielmeuler2877 5 ай бұрын
How is this Not one of the biggest Poker Vlogs/Podcasts??? Bart is easily one of the Best, if not the Best conveyer of Poker Strategy. I hope this channel is more than just a labor of love for Bart. I see he is close to 100K subs. We need to get him to 200K by the end of the Year!
@genesises 5 ай бұрын
probably because many if not most players actually aren't that interested in the nitty gritty details and theory - i suspect many people who see themselves as 'good players' are not into actively improving, but more concerned with their ego and feeling good about their play. that being said Bart is great, i've been considering going back and watching games he commentate just to get his insights in a live setting.
@hsubox 5 ай бұрын
I feel like villain knew he was behind at the river and had to bluff to win. Rep sets, flush or straight.
@joshmullins4849 5 ай бұрын
My main thought here is that if villain does this, hero needs to be paying more attention to the game and show downs if this is someone he plays with frequently. If I saw this hand, it would drastically change my view of villain as someone who is spewy and playing kinda randomly. You cannot over fold to such a player. I feel certain there would have been evidence in the past that this true.
@tommyfu9271 4 ай бұрын
You're right but stuff like the opponent doing works against a lot of player pools bc so many people overfold and don't adjust well to aggression.
@jamespearson00 Ай бұрын
I disagree, he is holding a hand that blocks much of what is the nuts, and having the 3rd A thats not a heart is an unblocker at the same time. Its essentially a missed straight/flush draw that bluffs the river. Yes, holding top pair, but on this wet of a board top pair is never good here. I see a calculated bluff, and he may feel hero over-folds 2 pair on these type boards. Great spot to bluff with because its rare. If the Kh comes on the river, he has the Royal, thats what he missed. He knows top 2 can fold this hand much of the time, and was a great call by hero. Solid hero call!
@JQpoker 5 ай бұрын
Nice call, Tough spot because you rarely ever see players Bluff this line
@jamespearson00 Ай бұрын
Thats what makes it a great bluff.
@fireinfireout 5 ай бұрын
Bart, Hollywood casino is part of one of the biggest (if not the biggest) casino conglomerates in the world, Penn Entertainment.
@isaiahbaker6850 5 ай бұрын
Perfect upload time for me to watch it on the break
@bcceo6913 5 ай бұрын
I live in Washington, PA too and play there at the Meadows (Hollywood) pretty frequently. Im sure we've crossed paths 😊
@PKzenn 5 ай бұрын
I live in WV and have played on Washington PA. I like that casino.😊
@nickmullen402 5 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if the optimal line from villain involves bluffing river with any non two pair ace (AxKh, ATs, A4s, etc.)? I don't think it's as crazy as Bart's initial reaction because if river goes check check it's hard to see how AT or A4 can ever be good, and even AK is probably hoping for a chop. Also, it kinda feels like QQ or AA (maybe even JJ) can jam river in villain's shoes. Or am I just way out to lunch? Would love to know what the solver says just out of curiosity. Very interesting hand!
@TheNow_Now 5 ай бұрын
My GTO wiz subscription doesn't have 200bb config, so can't run it, but a couple notes: 1)AQo is usually folded from HJ vs SB 3b bc it performs much worse vs 3b, even moreso deepstacked. 2) villains bet sizes are pretty bad, they are way too big, this deep stacked, this out of position. 3) my immediate reaction is this is a snap call. We beat overplayed value of QJ/AJ/AK+ all bluffs. 4) there are not many hands that can take this line, so there are not many bluffs here either. Most probably involve the K of hearts as mentioned, so some KQo, TT with T of hearts could be a good combo. In my experience, A high that is paired is usually not turned into a bluff, bc it beats some value. For example, ATs here on turn should be a mix of check/bet. But even when we bet and are called, as still beat some value like, KQ/KJ/JT. So, on river, it doesn't necessarily need to be turned into a bluff. You'll see some wheel Ax turned into bluffs on non A high runouts. KK with K of hearts would be a sick bluff combo, but live players probably will never find that. Fwiw ATo should just be a pure fold from the Sb as well.
@JohnSmith-nx7zj 5 ай бұрын
If you’re bluffing with any non-two pair ace you’d be way over bluffing I’d have thought. I can’t think V has much value that should take this line so he doesn’t need many bluffs. AT can still win if the river goes check check I think. Hero could have KQ, QT and maybe hands like TT with a heart, 99 with a heart.
@nickmullen402 5 ай бұрын
@@TheNow_Now thanks man! I guess with a “standard” open to 25 and the invisible antes, we could look at it kinda like 5/10 with a 2.5x open. That might work well enough. In that case, I wonder if Ax ever bluffs. Agree with ThTx as a good bluff option.
@TheNow_Now 5 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj totally agree. An interesting thing once you start looking at solvers is that you'll look at a hand like this, and realize that the line is so extreme from villain's perspective. There are so few hands he can do this with, only some flushes/KTs/sets, and maybe top two pair. When you look at river solver decision making for this type of hand, the all in portions of villains range will be tiny slivers of overall board, therefore, bluffs will be tiny slivers as well - they should be incredibly infrequent since there is so few value combos here. bc of that, like you mentioned ATo with T of hearts is almost certainly wayyy overbluffing in this node. I think this river spot is a lot more interesting if hero had QJs or AJs. I wonder what bottom of hero's calling range would look like here.
@gabrielrockman 5 ай бұрын
I'm not raising the turn with most flushes if I'm the hero. I've got position, so I can bet the river if he checks the river. I'd probably raise with 10-9 of hearts, but just call with any other flush. Should the hero have flushes here, or would I be too nitty checking the turn with most flushes?
@hansari8697 5 ай бұрын
I think AxTh is a turn check but if you decide to bet the turn and get called I don’t think it shows down for much. Like what is it beating KhQ only? N I like villains thought here that the Th is probably the single most relevant heart that blocks the most flushes.
@humble_frog 5 ай бұрын
people over fold on this board texture and villain knows it, thats the charitable interpretation anyway - other one is he just punting
@jambojack 5 ай бұрын
Once villian gets to the river I think this is an OK bluff. Not many worse hands he gets there with, and the Th is a good blocker. The turn bet after using a large flop size is strange though
@donaldshotts4429 10 күн бұрын
Scarier bluff would be like $750ish value bet looking bluff imo
@joshlisik2196 4 ай бұрын
Just started watching this channel, but does anyone ever talk about a hand they lost?! Ive seen probly ten to twelve shows/hands, and hero always wins. Is that a requirement? I would imagine questions about hands i lost far more helpful. Is it because nobody wants to relive the pain and everyone wants there day as king?
@donaldshotts4429 10 күн бұрын
I agree with you and I've seen 2 losing calls I think?
@justinhart7172 5 ай бұрын
It shows you that incorrectly being aggressive is still good at low stakes cuz population overfolds so this guys a winning reg clicking buttons
@EfficientRVer 5 ай бұрын
Correct. "Gap theory" straight from Sklansky. Also a major theme of Brunson's Super System.
@dan22482 5 ай бұрын
Totally lol, I play hyper aggro when I play 2/5 and it prints. People are so overly tight and passive at these stakes
@pot_kivach160 5 ай бұрын
the guy is hitting his head into rock bluff believing that was a cheesecake, and that's a winning mind?
@pot_kivach160 5 ай бұрын
@@EfficientRVer yeah? Mid Age locomotive on an electric rail tracks is sure safe vehicle to put your a$$ in.
@Dynamice1337 5 ай бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 I want some of whatever you got into.
@danbreilin9169 5 ай бұрын
Usually when someone removes a card or a hand from their range that limits the number of strong hands they have, like the king of hearts in this case... That's usually an indication that they are strong because they are removing the possibility of strong hands from their range which you would not want to do if you were bluffing... I think this goes down to his pre flop 3bet range he doesn't seem to be constructing any of his rangers correctly
@JohnSmith-su3ze 5 ай бұрын
Why can't Bart see that A10h is a great bluff from villain, because he's repping a flush and he's blocking most of hero's flushes? Villain is repping a flush. He's also blocking broadway. Why can't Bart see this?
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 5 ай бұрын
A. The flop is way more often a 33% bet. Therefore it looks like a bluff. B. The turn is 100% a check. Therefore it looks like a bluff. What kind of flushes can he have anyways? C. When someone is looking at your stack in an obvious way it's almost always a bluff!
@blaqshiep4920 5 ай бұрын
I agree with A and B as good indicators... Never 100% but valuable pieces of info... However, C seems to me a bit dubious and probably more a conclusion of your bias from experience. As ive found looking at chips to be a different indicator for different players. It may be a tell, but player specific.
@Badbentham 5 ай бұрын
I would say bet sizes on both Flop and Turn are rather off, and the shove is of highly dubious value. - However, neither side should have loads of Flushes or KT, so, with a small 30% C-bet on the Flop, there might still be some very thin Value to be had on the Turn, depending how aggressive Hero would be with AK/AQ/QQ/JJ preflop. If Villain goes larger on the Flop then he is certainly supposed to check Turn, though, and likely to give up on the River with his hand if Hero bets Turn and then jams.
@pot_kivach160 5 ай бұрын
100% turn check? KT, AK, AJ, JJ, QJ, K9h, T9h...would NEVER check turn. All these are 3-bet range.
@jackmiller9926 Ай бұрын
i would 66% bet the flop to make it unprofitable to call for a flush draw or straight draw
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 Ай бұрын
@@jackmiller9926 You should learn about odds and outs. 66% on the flop is not unprofitable for a str8 or flush draw.
@jackmiller9926 Ай бұрын
what stops villian from having K10 and going for the straight draw?
@MeatShank 5 ай бұрын
Love how the *straight* was never mentioned 😂 Totally discounted the Royal as well. K 10 continues on flop 100% of the time. Any 2 hearts.
@kevinboock7143 5 ай бұрын
Not going to lie, I insta-call in this situation. If he bet, $400-600, I’m way more nervous than an all-in.
@jackmiller9926 Ай бұрын
I have read that smaller river bets are just as powerful if not more effective to get people to fold so im going to do more of that when bluffing and will save chips when called or win if they call with a small hand against my medium.
@PhilPoker 5 ай бұрын
Fold pre, unless you know they are 3 betting so wide
@yoniker83 5 ай бұрын
9:34 Why is this close on the river? With AQ,hero blocks so much of villian's value range (AA,QQ,JJ,KTs and two hearts with low frequency as they have to be lower hearts). 4 combos blocked out of 19, so about 25% less likely that villain has value. So while this is a middling hand within hero's value, shouldn't the hand's blocking properties tilt us (in otherwise "close" situation) heavily towards a call? (Unless villain never bluffs, in which case it's a snap fold as an exploitative play eg a big deviation from theory based on villain type).
@Dynamice1337 5 ай бұрын
I endeavor to avoid the GTO kids and only play big pots against them when I have very strong hands. I am a winning 1/2 player but my money comes from fish. I don't try to outbigdick the good players. (It is not uncommon to see a $25-30 open in the 1/2 games that I play most often.)
@JCCOOLDOWN 4 ай бұрын
I lost once in same position vs AA ran out two pair lost to trip AA
@LinusK500 5 ай бұрын
The villain thought he was ahead when the A came. After he got called he decided to turn his hand into a bluff. He was targeting AK/AQ/AJ/AT/QJ.
@ProWagerHub 5 ай бұрын
Huge polarization error. Silly villain
@Paul_pp 5 ай бұрын
@@ProWagerHub Hard to get AK AQ to fold when Hero is getting 2 to 1 and already invested a lot. Only time those hands fold is if it's scared money
@peterveckmen9314 5 ай бұрын
Honestly I think this is a call the board takes away almost all of his flushs he should have the fantastic four and the only king high flushes he should have are k10 and k9 I think jami g with sets here is probably somewhat thin and I doubt he is jamming straights on a flush board
@EllieBanks333 5 ай бұрын
I thought this was a relatively easy call. Villain seems very polar to me. Is this really ever JJ? And I think villain bluffed the river because he knows he's never good. Yes, he does beat KK with a heart. I cannot find any other hand he could beat though. And he does have the ten of hearts, which blocks a couple of value hands for hero. On hero's side of things, I think he's uncapped. Some hand readers will say he does not have much AA, but I think he can have it. Pre-flop here is HJ v SB. SB 3 bets, which could be somewhat wide with "3 bet or fold" being so popular from SB. So does hero really need to 4 bet AA? He has position. It's already down to heads up. Villains line seems sO aggressive. From his flop sizing to his triple barrel all in. Hero blocks sets here. Could he ever really fold a flush or straight? So what could we ever defend with? Maybe AA or QQ have some edge on AQ here, but it's hard to find if you look deeply enough.
@jarrodfulton 5 ай бұрын
Was the villain Tyler ?
@Paul_pp 5 ай бұрын
I don't think he was betting A 10 as a bluff to get hero off a better hand, I think he thought it was the best hand and didn't want to check and make a tough decisioin to fold or call. A T offsuit out of position is a tough hand to play and with this run out It is really just a bluff catcher and Villian should be doing more pot control.
@EllieBanks333 5 ай бұрын
He certainly thought it was a bluff on the river.
@pot_kivach160 5 ай бұрын
@@EllieBanks333 what was he going to scare away? A flush? A straight? A set? Top 2 pairs? lol
@EllieBanks333 5 ай бұрын
@@pot_kivach160 lol Well I did not say it was a good play. But he's not jamming AT for value right? So it has to be a bluff. He could get QJ or AJ to fold maybe
@pot_kivach160 5 ай бұрын
@@EllieBanks333 Ohh, I see! You said _"he certainly thought (he was bluffing)",_ which makes sense. (The quality of that bluff, was not your point).
@TheDjcarter1966 5 ай бұрын
When he said he didn't have Kh my firdt thought was 9h10h
@tipsy09 5 ай бұрын
Now would he shove that hand? I don’t think so
@sneakkyz3696 5 ай бұрын
V a for profit player that actually profits? I don’t believe that at all 😂
@paulpena5040 Ай бұрын
Here I totally disagree with Bart. I think villain HAS to shove this river with literally any reasonable hand otherwise it looks incredibly weak. There's just not enough behind to check raise as a bluff and a single Ace may not win on a check-check anyhow. Even worse you could get bluffed off the best hand. A pot sized bet has to get through 50% of the time and on a scary board like this it's ALWAYS better to be the aggressor.
@GotoyourhomeBall 5 ай бұрын
Poker shark? Hah😅
@jamesmcginn6291 5 ай бұрын
I think I would have folded out of confusion. (I guess this makes me exploitable in this regard.)
@davidelet3652 5 ай бұрын
It is not because he is wearing a hoodie, has a backpack that he is a winning reg ...
@OhCanadaMoose 5 ай бұрын
This line is absurd. I think many decent players give other players way too much credit for being good when they usually aren't. A lot of people say population overfolds, but where I play this is just spew. Even the "better" players where i play would have a hard time folding QJ here. Once you extrapolate that to population, man you better be really sure that your villain has a fold button before you even think about trying a play like this.
@joshsheppard21 5 ай бұрын
“Key card” lol what a goof
@nielsonlars 5 ай бұрын
Winning players in certain parts of the country aren't as good as other parts of country
@tommyfu9271 4 ай бұрын
Definitely true
@imemine8605 3 ай бұрын
Not been a dick and im not saying this guy isnt a very good player but if you dont know the correct 3 bet raise calls etc open a chart he gi es different sizing advice for the same hand textures on different videos. I know it can be player dependent but hes not at the table. From wat hing all these videos all i seem to see is that live poker is super soft and not many people play exploitive. I play nl400 and plo400 online for a living and thats tougher than any of these games
@andyroid9 16 күн бұрын
English?
@imemine8605 15 күн бұрын
@@andyroid9 2 words are misspelled you can still ckearly tell what im saying i wrote that in less than a minute because its a youtube comment its not a big deal to me but you're talking like iv misplelled 10 words.
@tommyfu9271 4 ай бұрын
This hero villain stuff needs to go. Your opponent isn't John Wilkes Booth,you're not a fireman saving a burning orphanage - it's poker.
@justinphillips8317 3 ай бұрын
Dude you can keep scrolling if you don't like it 🤷🏾♂️
@andyroid9 16 күн бұрын
How else would you describe a hand from one person's perspective lol
@tommyfu9271 15 күн бұрын
@@andyroid9 why on this planet would you ever choose those 2 words
@MeatShank 5 ай бұрын
If you're *literally* asking *someone else* what *you* should do in any spot in poker, you shouldn't be playing IMO. Play *your* game. Play for *yourself* ! Poker is about intuition, gut feeling, reads, situational awareness, bluffs. Sometimes you're playing the player, not the cards. Ive been playing for 20yrs. And if there's 1 thing ive learned, is the *last* thing another poker player is *ever* gonna teach you is *how to be more profitable in poker than they are* period.
@stevenmesser7900 12 күн бұрын
You’ve not learned enough then.
@kevinm.6855 5 ай бұрын
Stop giving these callers attention. All they want is to say "look how good a call I made"
@pot_kivach160 Ай бұрын
V a poker shark? . It's obvious that he had a weak hand as he 3-bet 5x PF. Pocket AA/KK/QQ does not need that kind of protection. And...a poker shark playing transparent? Playing reckless on other streets despite of all signs that he might be beat? Yeah..if you want to make yourself big, just make sure your opponent looks bigger than he is.
@gamblegamble5958 5 ай бұрын
Non of you in that room but a few even know how to play lol 😂 that room is so reg heavy it's not even funny then they move it to the back of the casino they are going to end up shutting that down and I know this dude and he's a fishy reg as well