I like to imagine that they broke the flares and radars on purpose so the new missiles seem more capable

Oh, Hello there! But yeah, gaijin NEEDS to fuck up something each update.

The radars are broken? haven't heard of this one ​@@Namkify

Idk why gaijin changed multi path for RB. We (sim community) asked for it to be changed only for sim.

Content creator that makes AAA quality cinematics

Wtf 18h?

@@dorianhak7206yeah what lol

bro came from future

​@@NinjasimpmunkI assume the video was released to members before it was publicly released

Patreon early access probably

Not to mention breaking flares and chaff and making the stock grind basically impossible

​@@r6sm043gaijin when they give cumulative round and 2 dog poo missile at top tier are really asking for hate for themselves

There's an option for smaller matches! It's a settings toggle! /s Fuckin why?? Nobody is going to use that. The small match toggle might as well be a placebo.

@@Sol-Orion issue is after having it on all day today and yesterday I haven't had a single match becuse it's only a chance, funnily enough doh I've had mutiple 2.3 matches be 5v5 today

the stock grind is the worst part, no radar missiles and no chaff in matches where radar missiles are now very strong....

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@@raketny_hvost lol maybe in a year. Gaijin is allergic to BR decompression.

Lmao that video yesterday cracked me up. “Su27sm new meta” 😂

@Likeaworm he's such a cuck for the Russian stuff it's hilarious. There are so many broken Russian vehicles and yet he always shills for the shit ones. It cracks me up.

That dude is properly delulu.

stopped watching that guy, cant stand him anymore

​@@LikeawormHe need encourage ppl play Su27 so he can kill lol. As a Soviet player, i just play rank VII now. Mig19pt, Mig21smt and Mig23MLD still have fun.

Been the same thing since 2014 😂

Nah bro, it'll keep on going because people will pay for the pack jets.

​@@Likeawormat least 9.3 to 11.3. Msl not too op, you can easily flare or just dodge low tier msl. At least it require some skill. 12-13.0 dont need skill atm.

@@Likeaworm the layout has yeah. but remember the awful climbing meta at 10.3? no contrails, airfields were only like 30km away from each other, and the spotting system got you killed more than anything because even if you DID look directly at an enemy it took like 2-3 seconds for them to even be spotted. It's changed quite a bit since then. the 2 things they need to desperately do right now is add 12v12 as a seperate match choice, and have 2-3 seperate airfields that you get to spawn at, maybe even cap the amount of players that can spawn at 1 so it forces you to spread out. we have these massive maps, yet because of how everythings set up, most players will never even see 2/3 of the map, because they only fight in the center.

@@ThanhNguyen-xf9dl I agree, there is sane (and fun) missile play at 9.3 - 11.3. I really like 10.3 and thereabouts. Top tier is simply insane at this point. I've been going back to 8.3-8.7 and have had lots of fun with some of the BR changes down there. Props as well remain fun and competitive.

its mid

Filler update

It’s a pretty rushed update, even when they took forever

hands down the worst update balance wise since harrier gr1

One of the worst updates in war thunder history

Or they could just decompress.

There never was balance R27er vs aim7f/m(same in files)

@@nikolaideianov5092 lmao, any plane is good in any other ways, su-27 still have more missiles and u still can carry very good R-27ER/ET, amraams have longer range wowowowo OP not balanced, what a stupid, they are still not better in any way than R-77 and theres still other stuff in those planes, and russians planes overall should be better at close range than longe range, like in DCS.

If you fly at alt, they can usually be countered pretty easily. The first day was rough, but top tier matches are actually lasting a lot longer with the Fox 3s. People aren't hugging the deck, go left, than proceed into a suicide fur ball.

@@SuiSideex Did you really just say the AMRAAM is not better than the R-77 lmfao

You must be dogshit cause I’m getting 4 kills a match minimum lol

Its at least more playable now than it was before the patch.

@@theflyinggasmask after a couple of days and even without unlocking the Fox 3's I can confirm this. Theres no more big furballs in the center of the map. At least theres that

@@ale69420 Yeah, was hoping for permanent smaller player counts and EC maps, but I'll take what i can get at this point...

@@theflyinggasmask idem. I think this meta with EC modes or EC maps and smaller teams would be perfect. But Gaijin doesn't want that. I'll take what I can get.

I have gotten the small lobby tons of times so far. Imagine the same thing as the other mode, but it ends even faster.

Ppl are still fur-balling 🤦

Read as not enough servers. Small indie company.

@@ricardohumildebrabo 😂

It works same as night battles, if there are enough players *who have the option selected* in queue at the exact same time to instantly make a full small lobby, it will create said small lobby. In all cases otherwise it prioritizes big lobbies. In other words same as night battles we will rarely see consistently small matches

this is the way 🙏 you can get locks on hot jets with IR HMD and turn your 10km range lock into like, a 25km range one. sensor fusion is OP honestly

Growling Sidewinder did that in a video two days ago about Su27 vs F22.

draggy only under mach 1.2 , but in game they have a constant drag at all speeds which is why they are so shit. irl it will probably be bad a long range , but under a 15km fight r77 would have an advantage. but in game r77 is bad at all speeds.

What does it mean to get "cold"?

​​@@maocehung913fly away from enemy or missile In this case both

welcome to realistic modern air combat...

@@braedynhoward3644if I wanted true realism I wouldn’t be playing warthunder lol

@@maocehung913 hot means enemy or missile is approaching you ( facing you) cold is the opposite, when you turn cold the missile has to drag its ass to chase you and it gets even slower and less manuerable after it runs out of fuel. also I on the other want more realism but like defyn said the way air rb is made makes it soo much more fucked, They need lesser players bigger maps and objectives that are cluttered in groups but each group of objective is very far out of the other objective

It's bad enough I won't be doing any top tier for awhile. Ground my spaded 29SMT to get the 77 for it and as soon as I got that I played GRB instead it was so frustrating.

It's doable within Gaijin gameplay scope, you get to top tier and has to expect maybe a single aircraft being researched by day, fucked up but makes so you play for more time

Dawg it took me 4 days to get the new su27 with no premium time or jets I want to kms

@@iTzDarKSide god....tell me how the stock grind is 💀

Legit the only way i've not died in some random missile is the second i get a msl warning. I just turn around and pop chaff for the next 30 seconds. Like i dont ever get to do anything. It feels so boring. Like i just Defend the whole match until its close quarters. This is the Gripen Maybe the F3 Tornado will be decent. As its got a good radar and AIM120Bs. But its still a bus, and starts with 2x9Ls

Nah I was still shitting on every idiot spamming their fox3s with my 2r7ers tryna unlock the r77

@@texasthib2029 Yah-ah, since ARH missiles can meet planes with stock AIM-9Ls and R60s. R27ER is the strongest SARH missile, ofc it's going to do well.

​@@texasthib2029 Literally all the enemy has to do is launch their missiles and turn around and you can't do anything about it if you don't also have Fox 3's lmfao. There's of course going to be brainlets that can't even do the bare minimum amount of skill required to use a missile but I really don't believe you were consistently shitting on people.

Spot on and still so many players have been clamoring for them.

@@rmshorty11 and that’s not me saying that fox 3s can’t work I’m sure it’ll be such a fun gameplay mechanic in smaller matches of 6v6 or 8v8 but then you run into the problem of getting literally no rewards from that match

It would not have been this painful if the multipathing had not been changed, now it’s simply encouraged to spam all your missiles because you’re almost (and on some maps, completely) guaranteed to get kills

Well, that is what happens when people wish for new features like fox3s instead of bug fixing and balancing changes.

@@bagelmaster2498 Yeah, lobby and map sizes both contribute the most to this problem and it generally seems like it's not a concern for Gaijin right now. I agree that I think it will be fun under the right circumstances.

The man has a youtube channel dedicated to the game, his brain is probably a chunky soup by now

playing 6d chess

@@John-Johnsonreal I hope you also bought stocks in torches and pitchforks ;)

I agree, sadly too many people out there will just keep mindlessly buying the next top tier $70 prem with no care of what sort of gameplay exists. Gaijin just continually dangling the keys in front of the playerbase.

Accelerationism

Yup this comment is exactly what I said before the update dropped. It sucks? Good. Now maybe the stupid ass war thunder community that is constantly tearing itself to pieces pointlessly can stop for 5 seconds and campaign for rb ec with respawns and multiple air fields. It's time to fight like hell for this change. Even if we have to review bomb for it.

ECM isn’t really that effective at these engagement distances, more for denying info at longer ranges

i dont think ECM works the way you think it does

ECM doesn't just magically trash a missile fired from 10 miles away. And that would be a horrible addition to the game, anyways.

​@@kamraam1464 yeah just like makeing radar missiles useless if you fly somewhat low.... Wait a second

its the way the sight system works in air rb, I feel like for top tier they should make it so that the enemy is visible ONLY if it pings your rwr or is within the 2km radius from your aircraft. Like the other dude said ECM if implemented realistically is useless at this range, you need longer ranges where you actually start to notice that you cant get a proper lock on the enemy or the radar just fucks up and doesn't show the ping right.

As I was hearing some people in sim matches today saying that it is super stronk with god missiles which has a lot g (yeah,reading statcards in WT) while the red lobbies are empty already second or third patch in a row (wonder why, way too strong I guess, so people don't want to play it)

Not people already complaining that Russia is somehow not good AGAIN after ruling air rb with the r27 for how many years the Abrams was only good when the first m1 came out since then every other one has been the exact same tank with a 120 and the f16 was getting slammed by the mig29 when they first came out and then they only became someone equal when the flight model took a hit and I don’t want to hear shit about the “f14 meta” cause you had to be a genuine retard to die by the aim54 back then as it was a terrible missile and only hit people dumb enough to fly straight and literally watch it intercept them

I understand why that is annoying but god I love playing J8F now 😂

AV-8B also has 4 AMRAAMs at 12.3 (even 12.0 in ground realistic battles). Performance is meh, but if used as a missile bus, it is op when facing 11.3 planes in arb or 11.0 cas in grb.

​@@Madoyon.F4f ice has 4x amraam at 11.7 grb

@@contemptordreadnought oh right, that too. It's just too rare now so I completely forgot about it, unlike the harrier that was already in game and doesn't require much grind to research those missiles, so it pops up in matches a lot more often.

While yes the BRs definitely need to change. But honestly I played 17 hours straight yesterday all 13.0 all day. And honestly VERY FEW of my games were anything but 13.0.

@@jeremydeel1514 that will change after a few weeks and there are a few 12.3 that hand aim120 as well. It’s going to be a PAINFUL experience I believe. I have been know to be a pessimistic from time to time lol

@@mathewtheis9139 100% agree but im HOPING by then the dev team will adjust some of the BRs and MAYBE increase max BR to say 13.3 or MAYBE even 13.7.... but im not too hopeful.

Last i checked the ICE was 11.7

@@janomomo153 for ground not air

@@amari2509 makes sense, i'm not used to paying attention to what preset i have selected when checking BR yet

But its ok because us players got their promised point and click spamraam adventure 😊

@@farmazoniarz common wt community L

I stepped away last patch, multipathing turned it into an ground sniffing IRCCM clusterfuck. And while its still a shit show, its at least somewhat playable now.

The su27 is a total bus in reality too? The thing is the size of a b17. Irl you get maybe one hard pull and then it turns into a brick. Won't get maneuverable flankers until the SU30/35 come with 3d vectoring

@@jaxastro3072I mean it’s not a bus IRL, yes its large, but like the F-15 it’s a massive lifting body. In game, it can’t even get one good turn in lol. Even aircraft like the MiG-29 which is much smaller, and still quite a massive lifting body cannot do a singular good turn against an F-16, F-15, or even F-14. Flight models aren’t as important nowadays but crappy ones make planes miserable to fly.

@@Boris_The_Turtle How do you know it's not a bus IRL?

​@@jaxastro3072you couldn't be more wrong. The su 27 was built to counter the f 15, it wouldn't be able to do that if it had poor flight performance. Real flight data puts the Su 27 and F 15 very close in performance, both in the rate, and AOA.

@@jaxastro3072 where are you getting these ideas? Have you read anything or listened to anything on the su-27?? it's a SUPER MANEUVERABLE fighter meant to counter the f15! What about that makes you think it's a "bus"???

Me too lmfao

@@tezbertzero1915 why tf has autocorrect got defyn as define lmaooo, it was so funny tho XD

@@ClaytonB. LMFAO I'VE JUST NOTICED THAT

Russian aircraft mains crying about having the shittiest radar missiles after 2 years of dominating any engagement beyond 5kms is incredibly ironic and expected. Not a ton of fun to be completely outmatched is it?

Russian mains when they arent completely OP anymore

@@jaxastro3072are you stupid? Only idiots would want the game to be imbalanced and one sided lmfao. It’s not even what OP is complaining about.

cry some more. just be better at the game

@@jaxastro3072 I don't know what game that you've been playing, but Fox-2's have been dominating for the past few years and not SARHs. Remind me again how many players flew the flanker during Gaijin's recent tournament when prizes were on the line?

Not only worse flight model, worse radar and the F15 radar can guide 8 120's at the same time, but the flanker can only guide 2 at the same time!

ER/T still use their dual stage booster as a single one right? Genuinely asking

​@@Ninjasimpmunk Yes, it does.

AIM-120A vs R-77 is 100000000x fairer than R-27ER vs AIM-7F (there’s no difference in game between the F and M)

Yes russian bias , le russian bad no one bad an eye but le Nato le bad ??!?!??!?!?! That UNACCEPTABLE !!!!

Okay, bye dickhead.

countdown to estimated impact of the last ARH that you fired.

Well, in RB it is possible but hard to play in 12.0-12.7 planes vs 13.0 (you’re defensive 99% of time) but in sim any plane without fox-3’s is completely useless cause instead of adding 12.3-13.0 bracket they added 11.7-13.0 bracket so all 12.0 planes face only and only 13.0 while having 30 pops of flares, no IRCCM missiles, no fox-3’s and in some cases (soviet jets) have completely useless RWR which is sad

very true they need lesser players, bigger maps and objectives that are cluttered in groups but each group of objective is very far out of the other objective and spread out airfields with capped player spawn count, like 4 for each airfield

On the flipside, pretty much everyone who actually played the test event with the old multipathing values (including Defyn) said that as long as it stayed like that then ARH missiles weren't going to affect gameplay at all in most cases.

how ? su25sm3 is still better as it gets thermals + 30km missiles , while su27sm gets a shit camera + no thermals. f16c/su25sm3 are better cas than su27sm. if they added sapsan pod to su27sm then it would be better than sm3.

yea he said in f15 vid it’s coming

Then it will be the most f*cking OP missile ig until 120D is added cause it is better than 120C-5 its better than C-7, better than 77-1 and almost on par with 77M so I’d love to see that missile ig but definitely not rn, for now it would be balanced to give em 77-1

@@user-jy6cn3jy8gusa copeium

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g The 27EA has a max range of 120km while the 77-1 has 110km of range and the 77-m has around 200km of range

Was the R77-T ever produced? Would be cool to have the IR version.

@@Likeaworm wasn't produced but the r77 is like the r27. A modular missile meaning that they can't develop new parts for the missile and modify the old missiles

nope , r77 gets worse the longer it flies , but in like a 15km fight r77 would outperform aim120 , because r77 only gets worse at transonic speeds, so in a 15km fight it probably wont even go lower than mach 2 , but in game r77 is worse than aim120 at all speeds.

@hemendraravi4787 your wrong, I've been watching the R77 in replays, it goes below mach 2 past 12km, I saw this happen at 5000 feet, so the flanker launched at me from 10 miles away, the missile reach mach 4, half way into the missile was already at mach 2, past that it went below mach 2, like it's bad, and so far it's easy to notch, but not as easy as the PL-12, like the PL-12 imo is the worst missile in game agaisnt chaff.

@@WOLFER. thats because it has much more drag in game , did you even read what i said ?

@hemendraravi4787 oh I did, you sound like someone who thinks they know what they are talking about when they don't, also it has more drag because of its back stabiliser design, and kanards, its tracking irl is worse than the AIM-120a/b and look ingame same thing, and also clearly ypu didn't read what I wrote, because I specifically said your wrong and that it does infact lose energy to go under mach 2, so one you just made no sense, two your wasting my time, and three do your research and testing. As for the AIM-120C-5 and R-77-1 being on par with each other, that's in range and tracking, maneuverability still goes to the R-77-1.

@@WOLFER. dude grind fins have significantly less drag than planar fins , at higher super sonic speeds , thats one of the main reason why they used it, it performs better at higher speeds go and read those research papers , that clearly state grid fins have an advantage at higher speeds. do your research and testing ? wtf are you yapping about ? im talking about real life , in war thunder r77 has the same drag at mach 4 and at mach 1 , in real life at mach 4 r77 would have much much less drag , while at mach 1 they pretty much become an air brake.

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