Deliberately Obsolete: Ottoman S&W New Model No.3 in .44 Henry Rimfire

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The S&W No.3 revolver was originally designed for the .44 Henry Rimfire cartridge, but initial US military testing caused it to be changed to a centerfire cartridge, and all serial production would use centerfire ammunition. All serial production, that is, except a couple orders from the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans had a substantial number of 1866 Henry rifles (chambered for .44 Henry Rimfire) that they rather liked (see also: the Battle of Plevna), and they requested revolvers from Smith & Wesson that could use that same cartridge. S&W obliged, and the result was the only production rimfire pattern.
Ottoman purchases of the rimfire No.3 revolver ran for nearly 10 years, from 1874 until 1883. They included 2nd and 3rd model Russian No.3s, and also 5,000 of the New Model No.3, which is what we are looking at today.
Many thanks to Mike Carrick of Arms Heritage Magazine for providing me access to film this example!
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@sqeeye3102 2 жыл бұрын

I've always been impressed that people can look back over a century at multiple old contracts to figure out that exactly 5461 of a certain gun were made (4:57)

@Hybris51129 2 жыл бұрын

The power of bureaucracy! We have records of everything!

@Hybris51129 2 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine A excellent point.

@BarnDoorProductions 2 жыл бұрын

4:35 "... ordered 281 more revolvers, which is kind of an odd number." It is -- it's also a prime number. I'll show myself out.

@MellowFellowOfYellow 2 жыл бұрын

Legitimately hilarious

@karneskelot4780 2 жыл бұрын

Dang it! You made me go down a prime-number rabbit-hole on Google (since I hadn't thought about that kind of stuff in years)!

@ericstromberg9608 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, we love nerds here.

@Foostini 2 жыл бұрын

The No. 3 really is the most gorgeous revolver in any configuration, I'd love to have one some day.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

They make reproductions for the cowboy action shooters. $550 or so for a blued pistol.

@timbaskett6299 2 жыл бұрын

I have one of the Barra CO2 pistols patterned after the No. 3 and hope that the powder burner version feels the same way. It aims naturally and is fun to shoot.

@KossoffFan 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 Where in the world are you buying repro No. 3s for $550?!! When i turned 21 back in '05 they were already in the upper 900s for a standard blued version in the incorrect caliber of .45 Colt. I've never even seen a used one go for less than 700.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@KossoffFan damn, they've really gone up since the last time I looked, a year ago or so. Uberti repros. The .45LC caliber is fine to me, since it's in production. Even if it is about 1/10" too long.

@KossoffFan 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 I don't mind it, I love the caliber. I just wish they'd produce more in the .44 calibers. They offer them but the production numbers are always much lower.

@GretchenGroves 2 жыл бұрын

The one advantage of rimfire is if the round doesn’t fire just turn the round 180 degrees and fire again. 4 out of 5 chance it will fire.

@FirstLast_Nba 2 жыл бұрын

What is the percentage of the centre fire?

@shoelessbandit1581 2 жыл бұрын

You can basically do the same thing with center fire guns

@guaporeturns9472 2 жыл бұрын

I think with a centerfire you are much less likely to need to turn it. , as they tend to have more reliable ignition.

@boomerisadog3899 2 жыл бұрын

The inherent unreliability of rimfire ammunition is a bug, not a feature.

@GretchenGroves 2 жыл бұрын

@@guaporeturns9472, yes that is very true which is why carrying a 22 LR pistol for self defense isn’t a good idea. 22LR is good for target practice. I carry a beretta tomcat in 32 acp because it’s one of the smallest center fire handguns.

@bobsmoot2392 2 жыл бұрын

My father carried a SW .44 Russian in a shoulder holster (Italy 1944). He picked it up along the way scrounging or trading for it. Lost it in battle after Rome, when he was hit by an 88.

@calebdavis1323 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertl6196 I was wondering the exact same thing😂

@randomidiot8142 2 жыл бұрын

If he carried it in a shoulder holster and lost it when he got hit, what else did he lose?

@PhoenixFyre 2 жыл бұрын

Ahh the no. 3, one of my all time favs.

@mcjim256 2 жыл бұрын

“You may recall there being some discussion of the Battle of Plevna…” Wikipedia hits for Plevna immediately go up 1,000% Love that I always learn something new on this channel. 👍

@cikame 2 жыл бұрын

Dude just rolls up in this guys house and calls his revolver obsolete.

@SigurdGR 2 жыл бұрын

What a surprise to see this video, being in Pleven just after visiting the old battle site at Issa-aga, Kovanlek with awesome panorama.

@LinusIslamTips 2 жыл бұрын

Issa being a name and the Muslim or rather arabic word for Jesus. And aga as far as I know means chief(tain).

@charles_wipman 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting history behind that revolver.

@HistoricHisterics 2 жыл бұрын

Such quality content on such a consistent basis. Thanks, Ian.

@jaywarren5261 2 жыл бұрын

Good morning Gun Jesus. That spur adds to the looks of the pistol.

@jansenart0 2 жыл бұрын

4:30 281 revolvers probably works out to a nice even thousand figure in Ottoman Lira.

@keithallardice6139 2 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful revolver! I'd always been more of a Colt fan but this ... this is just gorgeous!! Fascinating history as always - many thanks Ian

@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 жыл бұрын

I always get happy when I see a big bore rimfire hammer. I found a deringer at a gun show here in Illinois and the owner didn't know what he had. He only wanted $50 for it because he said you can't find ammunition for it. It was a Reminton model no 2 in 41 rimfire. As a collector I would have felt like a crook buying it from him at that price. I told him it was worth several times as much as he wanted for it. I said I would give him $500 for it and then he said I was trying to rip him off after I just told him it was worth more then what he was asking for it. All I could think of was what a complete dick. All of a sudden he wanted $5,000 for it. He was a typical Midwest asshole and I moved on. I should have kept my mouth shut but I can't rip someone off like that. I bet he never sold it either.

@theeggman1199 2 жыл бұрын

I would have told him after you got it and offer him more cash, less chance of a price hike.

@boomerisadog3899 2 жыл бұрын

Paying someone their full asking price isn't ripping them off, just getting a good deal. You both would have been happy, had you just payed the man. Instead, you bkth walked away thinking the other just tried to get over on you. You missed a greaf deal and created yet another guy with an unreasonable price item who must regularly say, "no lowballs, I know what I got".

@worldtraveler930 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like it's another triple M that you had to deal with.

@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 2 жыл бұрын

I just treat people how I want to be treated. It is how I was brought up. If I would have known what kind of person fe was I would have kept my mouth shut. I believe that all shooters are part of one big family that has each other's back's. There is always that one family member that is just bat shit crazy. I am still happy that I didn't buy it without saying anything. I have to live with my decisions. Just like when a friend was looking for primers. He knew I always keep at least o case of primers for each style on hand. He didn't want to pay $250 for one brick. He asked me if I would sell him one so I did at $33. The price I paid for them. We have to stand together to win the fight for our rights.

@huleyn135 2 жыл бұрын

@@boomerisadog3899 This is called being an asshole. By withholding critical information you essentially con the man. Yes, he should have researched his own gun, but you have an ethical obligation to not be an asshole too.

@timtheskeptic1147 2 жыл бұрын

There's just something so elegant about the old S&W and Schofield break action revolvers. You can find one in almost any pistol caliber imaginable. Problem is finding or hand loading ammo that hasn't been made since the Spanish-American War.

@daltongarrett7117 2 жыл бұрын

thats what I like about reproduction guns. made to modern pressure standards in most cases and in a modernly available cartridge.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's why I'm getting a reproduction. They're made in modern calibers like .38/357, .44spl, or .45lc

@timtheskeptic1147 2 жыл бұрын

@@daltongarrett7117 true, I've owned several Pedersoli and Pietta repros of guns I would never be able to afford or dare myself to fire an original of. Dixiegunworks.com is like crack for anybody that likes pre-20th century firearms.

@timtheskeptic1147 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 speaking of in production ammo, as soon as I remembered they existed, it suddenly became pretty dang hard to find a .45LC breach adapter for my Martini Henry. 577x450 is not easy or cheap to get! I paid 240 bucks for a box of 20 over ten years ago and still haven't used it up.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@timtheskeptic1147 you grabbed one of the Nepali Royal Armory guns? I was looking at them, decided against it because I wanted a full basic load of 100 rounds.

@enriquekahn9405 2 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this episode for years!

@thomasbriscoe7439 2 жыл бұрын

OTTOMAN TRUMPETS BLASTING SO LOUD MY EAR DRUMS BURST. God the good old days

@mahmutjik4260 2 жыл бұрын

@Suleiman the Magnificent hahahaha bizden birisi :))))

@loupiscanis9449 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@davidcolter 2 жыл бұрын

Smith & Wesson: *makes the best cartridge revolver in the world* U.S. Army: "Yes, but actually no." The rest of the world's armies: "I'll take your entire stock!"

@LazyLifeIFreak 2 жыл бұрын

lol

@daltongarrett7117 2 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I read that wrong I thought you said we don't use rimmed cartridges anymore don't mind me...

@johnnytyler5685 2 жыл бұрын

S&W almost literally shot themselves in the foot with their refusal to convert their guns to .45 Colt. If they had done so...like the US Army asked...then the most "iconic" old west revolver today would be the S&W Schofield and NOT the Colt SAA. Every old western movie would have the protagonist carrying a Schofield instead of a SAA and therefore that would've become the "iconic wild west revolver" in the public mind. But alas...S&W refused because they wanted to use proprietary ammo in their guns and it bit them right in the a$$.

@daltongarrett7117 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnytyler5685 instead it's the more common late 1800s Russian Chinese and Japanese movies icon. more than a few old kung fu movies featuring them. just usually briefly before the good guy kicks it out of their hand or the like.

@MisterOcclusion 2 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine the original 45 Colt also had just barely enough of a rim for headspacing. It was clearly never meant to be used as a purchase point for an extractor, and I have my doubts as to the reliability it would have. I've read old reloading literature advising great care in resizing the brass, lest the narrow rim get torn. Modern 45 Colt has a comparatively much larger rim that is also undercut to give it even more surface area. I would not be surprised if that wasn't one reason for S&W rejecting it.

@PajamaPantsStudios 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta love stuff from the late 1800s. Best era for neat guns IMO.

@thorlin3826 2 жыл бұрын

Firing Henry from a Russian chamber was probably anemic as hell, like firing 22LR from a 22 Mag cylinder. The fire forming of the case would cost so much energy.

@randomidiot8142 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not so certain the power loss would be just from case forming. Keep in mind with the .44-40 and the .22 mag example you have to launch a projectile from a short case in a long chamber through an oversized gap before it gets to have an opportunity to seal in the actual rifled portion of the barrel. The gas loss escaping around the bullet before it hits the leade or throat will reduce velocity and keep chamber pressure low that may result in an incomplete burn/even more power loss.

@thorlin3826 2 жыл бұрын

@@randomidiot8142 I was wrong. 44 S&W American isn't from the family of Russian, special, ect. Any degradation would be bad for a round that starts normally at 682fps from 8,000 CUP.

@kantemirovskaya1lightninga30 2 жыл бұрын

Great one, this is one of the reasons I love watching the stream

@nokiot9 2 жыл бұрын

I find LOTS of these dual ringed 44 rounds out here in Arizona with my metal detector. Doubt they were fired from one of these- especially 44 wadcutters. Those seem to have been super popular back in the day

@jasonz7788 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ian

@badgerrrlattin35 2 жыл бұрын

Had no idea. 44 Henry Rimfire? There's ALWAYS an ammo shortage in 44 Henry Rimfire.

@Mrgunsngear 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@luciferrutherford4446 2 жыл бұрын

What a gorgeous revolver! I'd love to get my hands on one of these. Its too bad that the ammunition isnt produced anymore - a box of .44 henry rimfire goes for 3-4 thousand each (yikes!)

@bruceinoz8002 2 жыл бұрын

Rare, exotic and elegant!; nice example and an interesting story to kick off my day. . While we are talking "exotic" and mostly forgotten, how about a look at the AMTU Match Pistol programme of the late 1950s / early sixties that gave rise to the .38-.45 Clarke and the .38SPL, (rimmed and rimless), wadcutter-only Colt 1911 variants and the longer-lived, Smith and Wesson equivalent, the Model 52? I ran a 52-2 for some years: Load sensitive, but like a short-range bench-rest gun. Eventually sold it to a real enthusiast and went for a Colt Gold Cup in .45 ACP. Ah, the "good old days" in Oz!

@ultranitro437 2 жыл бұрын

Holy Balls I LOVE this Channel! 💘

@timbaskett6299 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's just because they are different from the Colts and Remington, but I've always liked the S&W top openers.

@SPECREY 2 жыл бұрын

even ( as a turk ) i never heard this weapon

@earlyriser8998 2 жыл бұрын

what a rare and interesting pistol

@ericv7720 Жыл бұрын

I'm wondering what the ballistics would have been for the pistol. As I understand it the .44 Henry rifle shot a 200 gr bullet at 1,125 fps out of a 24" barrel. The #3 pistol would have had to have been in the mid-800s fps range, which would have put it on par with the .45 ACP. But that's just my guess.

@joearnold6881 2 жыл бұрын

Tiny correction that I’m sure plenty of ppl have already pointed out: The Winchester didn’t supposedly play a big role “in the victory”. Turkey lost. They just put up far better, and longer, of a fight than anybody expected they would or could have done. :)

@planescaped 2 жыл бұрын

Specifically with Plevna: It was more that the Russian's outdated tactics combined with the Ottoman's lever repeating rifles led to catastrophic Russian casualties. Russia still wound up winning, and a better general wouldn't have thrown so many lives away as the foreign observers saw. They assumed the Tsarist Russian's weren't utterly incompetent and behind the times technologically and strategically, and they assumed wrong.

@johnfisk811 2 жыл бұрын

@@planescaped It was certainly the obsolete Russian tactics that killed their and Romanian soldiers. The lever action rifles were not part of a cunning plan though. The were the standard arms of the dismounted Ottoman cavalry. The Turkish Martinis were directed by good officers who had the ranges plotted and marked so the Russians and Romanians had to advance at walking pace well over a mile through well directed long distance volley Martini fire before they got close enough for the dismounted cavalry to join in with their pistol size cartridges of their Winchester lever actions and finished the job off. Even so some Russians and Romanians did break into Ottoman positions but they were thrown out very quickly. The Ottomans did win the battle but lost the war. Fortunately for my family in Bulgaria. Overall the Russians did their best to victory into defeat.

@mertkocabas7604 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnfisk811 500 years Bulgaria was under Turkish rule. Do you think Turks tortured you relentlessly for 500 years?

@tatangatatanga5551 2 жыл бұрын

@@mertkocabas7604 As a historian, I must say, this is the point of view. It was imposed on the Balkan nations mostly during the Communism period! If the Turks tried to assimilate or destroy them. There would be nothing left of them anymore! Look at North and South America. Look at Australia. You won't find the locals in the middle! The rest are assimilated and live away from their culture. The main languages spoken in Africa are English and French! The proportion of people who speak local languages is less than fish walking on land! And Western Europeans achieved this assimilation in less than 100 years! They are officially out of Africa. But unofficially, they are still stealing underground resources with their companies! It would be foolish to believe that the Turks will not be able to destroy or assimilate their existence within 500 years!

@feylesof6029 Жыл бұрын

tarih öğretmenin çok kötüymüş

@yigolaski08 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ian , nice video and a good review of the gun . My question is , Why did Ottoman MoD kept using the .44 Rimfire instead of .44 Centerfire ? Do you have any guesses about it ? Thanks

@shane_rm1025 2 жыл бұрын

Likely price/ wanting to still use the same cartridge

@tharqal2764 2 жыл бұрын

He said in the video that they had a lot of 1866 rifles and wanted to keep using the same cartridge. Benefit of a better cartridge must've seemed less important to them than simplicity of logistics for only having to carry one type of ammo. Because let's be honest: if a pistol user has to use his weapon and reliability is important, then you have lost the battle anyway.

@yigolaski08 2 жыл бұрын

Both of you had really good points , thanks

@frugalsoul9984 2 жыл бұрын

@@tharqal2764 handguns used to be much more likely to come into play when your rifle had a long reload. With modern rifles handguns are basically only useful in extremely tight quarters but if you look before WW1 they transitioned to a handgun for close quarters fighting regularly. Or went to bayonets

@DickPountain 2 жыл бұрын

Surely if the entire Ottoman army was equipped with .44 Henry rifles they would either have large stocks of that cartridge, or even a facility for making their own, so it made perfect sense

@19redmiata94 2 жыл бұрын

You know your firearms knowledge is extensive when you know the names of inspectors and can identify thier initials.

@mikepette4422 2 жыл бұрын

And so I might take a guess at the odd number ordered in the extra batch. 281 maybe officer sales ? a few custom guns perhaps and so thats the number that got put on the purchase order I imagine

@fustigate314159 2 жыл бұрын

281 is about 2% of 275. So maybe they needed 275, but budgeted 2% extra for losses, replacements, etc.? Just my guess. But that’s nobody’s business but the Turks.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

I think it was actually from running the production line for a full shift, instead of running for just the contract and resetting in the middle of the day.

@BalrogSonOfNelgar 2 жыл бұрын

What a kerfuffle it would have been if during the Russo-Turkish War, a horrible mix-up occurred where the Russians got Turkish S&W Model No. 3s in .44 Henry and the Ottomans got S&W Model No. 3s in .44 Russian.

@TheHylianBatman 2 жыл бұрын

And who doesn't love matching ammunition for all your weapons?

@fellowyou2ber 2 жыл бұрын

I know Ian has done a number of videos on various SW model 3's, but has he ever actually covered a Schofield on the channel? Can't seem to find any such vid, though I guess that gun is far from forgotten.

@richardelliott9511 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if Ian has done a Schofield on this channel but he and Karl did do one on In Range TV a couple of years ago.

@mousse7020 2 жыл бұрын

One of these guns is in Germany right now, thanks to my great uncle. My great great grandfather had one these that passed down to family and when my great uncle went to Germany he brought the gun with him and gave it to his oldest kid when he died. My grandfather is stil angry for this.

@comiketiger 2 жыл бұрын

I never knew this. Interesting. God bless all here.

@clydebarrows3889 2 жыл бұрын

5281 is exactly the number of feet in a mile plus one. Odd coincidence? Or were the Ottomans superstitious?

@kvakerbillduck9500 2 жыл бұрын

What is superstrious about lenght of a mile?

@alun7006 2 жыл бұрын

The Ottoman Empire didn't use miles: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_units_of_measurement

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

Coincidence.

@ryanpanji7639 2 жыл бұрын

Never forget epic fighting battle of pleven/plevna of great tactics collaboration of peabody martini x Winchester 1866 and this Revolver

@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын

Coolness! That spur on the trigger guard looks awkward; was it supposed to help control muzzle flip?

@davidcolter 2 жыл бұрын

You hook you middle finger on for better leverage when thumb-cocking it.

@georgemueller8014 2 жыл бұрын

It makes working the hammer easier.

@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын

@@georgemueller8014 Ah. Thanks!

@petesheppard1709 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidcolter Thanks!

@SlavicCelery 2 жыл бұрын

Mae and Othais had some pretty positive things to say about the design.

@the_borax_kid2233 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing weapon.

@SpacePatrollerLaser 2 жыл бұрын

Could we consider the revolver, especially the double-action, the first automatic self-loader/ with the clyinder setup being the first magazine?

@duck636 2 жыл бұрын

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 2 жыл бұрын

No. The magazine is an ammunition storage device that allows the weapon to feed amunition into the chamber, the cylinder of a revolver is made up of chambers.

@rossfudd256 2 жыл бұрын

Ian, any idea how many .44 henry rim fire cartridges the Truks had on hand or did they manufacture their own?

@b.griffin317 2 жыл бұрын

5:00 Never noticed this before but the No. 3 seems to have a HUGE cylinder gap.

@shyfox_69 2 жыл бұрын

I believe the dark part is actually the forcing cone, it's just the lighting I think.

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 2 жыл бұрын

Dark metal, angled in such a way that it isnt reflecting light. It probably has a large gap by modern smokeless standards, to be fair, but nothing unusual.

@tylerjames2889 2 жыл бұрын

Be careful with bullets like that that looks like an misfired rimfire round I've hit a 22 3 times and it went off on the 3rd strike so be careful

@alsaunders7805 2 жыл бұрын

My Marlin Glenfield. 22 bolt action has a weak firing pin. Sometimes it takes 2,3, or even 4 strikes before it fires. 🤓🍻

@davidgcalderone 2 жыл бұрын

Give the client what he wants

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

I assume that the Ottomans either had a huge stockpile of .44rf or an entire production line for it.

@jansenart0 2 жыл бұрын

This could almost be an Elbonian Arms video... almost...

@johnwilliams9179 2 жыл бұрын

I love break action revolvers

@Th3Sabator45 2 жыл бұрын

From what I understand, early 44 russian cartridges were heeled. But they slowly changed to non heeled. Theres a good talk about it on cascity forums

@captainskim1124 2 жыл бұрын

When S&W made extra above the contract, is that in case some failed proofing, or just cause they had the tooling up and spare material, so they produced more to improve the margins?

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

No proofing in the US, so that was probably a day's worth of machining. I mean, they made enough for the contract, and then finished out the shift making that same part rather than reset the tooling.

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 2 жыл бұрын

Theres always the possibility to sell off the extra to the same purchaser (contracts like those arent set in stone, merely paper) OR sell them to the civilian market. Never hurts to make extra of an item you know youll sell, just dont make too many.

@harrisonlewis6853 2 жыл бұрын

And for the rest of the folks who watch this channel, .44 Henry rimfire is a blackpowder cartridge. Not smokeless.

@justanothercaptain6566 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video. What was the tigger spur for? Or do? Is it a grip support or just decoration? Thank you.

@shyfox_69 2 жыл бұрын

Theoretically you can grip it with your middle finger to bear down on the grip more, but many people find it uncomfortable because it splits your fingers pretty wide. The Russians and Japanese liked it, but most Russian model No. 3's surplused in the US have had the spur ground off, so I guess Americans didn't like it.

@justanothercaptain6566 2 жыл бұрын

@@shyfox_69 Thank you so much. I had no idea what it was for. Thank you, Sir!

@shyfox_69 2 жыл бұрын

@@justanothercaptain6566 No problem! :)

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

It gives you some extra leverage when cocking the hammer. Othais and Mae really like it.

@justanothercaptain6566 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 Thank you, Sir! Cheers 🍻

@cyberretard2192 2 жыл бұрын

Well, Ottoman empire was technically obsolete in their own special way. Thats rad

@huleyn135 2 жыл бұрын

A dying empire that had every innovation or modernization attempt met with coups. Hell, it got into the war that ended it thanks to its final coup. Im surprised it lasted as long as it did those two last centuries of its existence, with barely a working bureaucracy

@cyberretard2192 2 жыл бұрын

@@huleyn135 I guess the second one you mean is the Russian Empire, right?

@calvingreene90 2 жыл бұрын

If the bullet goes out the end of the barrel, the shooters face is not burned off, and you are not reloading the spent brass are split casings a real problem?

@Dorelaxen 2 жыл бұрын

Well, you know, that Instanbul was Constantinople...

@EarthAltar 2 жыл бұрын

That's just typical of you Vyvyan. The house is under fifty feet of water and what do you do? Build a submarine. There's um... no room for me in there, is there?

@hermatred572 2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@thelettera582 2 жыл бұрын

As a Turk I must say if there is anything about Turks, Turks will be interested no matter what is the context of the subject. So I cannot avoid watching the video

@Wipa4 2 жыл бұрын

- I am Hungary. - Let's eat Turkey, then!

@Redbird1504 2 жыл бұрын

It's not a Forgotten Weapon but those Caniks coming out of Turkey are very nice especially considering the cost point.

@paskajaakko3965 2 жыл бұрын

Turkturkturk

@turkicsayajin2274 2 жыл бұрын

Same !

@turkicsayajin2274 2 жыл бұрын

@@Redbird1504 thanks a lot of people say that, makes me proud.

@DivingHawker 2 жыл бұрын

Off topic but, if you have the chance, could you make a video on the AA-52/AAN-F1? I know it will probably be hard to get your hands on one, even if you go to France (you might have a chance if you contact some Regiments directly), but it's a great piece of history.

@Nipplator99999999999 2 жыл бұрын

Talk about a ID-10-T error.

@anaphylastiks 2 жыл бұрын

I remember the .333 Henry

@robviousobviously5757 2 жыл бұрын

no sound... reloaded and it is back.. no worries

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

YT audio likes to glitch out on my phone.

@1zanglang 2 жыл бұрын

Our soldiers faced these weapons during the Independence War 1877-1878

@themasterofbulluk2413 2 жыл бұрын

who are you ?

@mahmutcanfidan5220 2 жыл бұрын

@@themasterofbulluk2413 93 harbini diyor herhalde. Ruslardir.

@averagefedorovavtomatenjoy2815 2 жыл бұрын

Can you review 'TC Polis' 38 special s&w model 10 revolver for turkish cops

@sirmaximillianvonstauffenberg 2 жыл бұрын

there are examples of these revolvers in military museum of istanbul

@10lauset 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@juiceFORfunNOTyet 2 жыл бұрын

Благодарю вас за вашу работу, комментарий в поддержку вашего видео

@lwilton 2 жыл бұрын

So let me get this straight. The Ottomans ordered 10,000 Russian pattern revolvers for use in the Russo-Turkish wars. Which side were they on?

@defectiveturret4391 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bender_B._Rodriguez Thats basic politics and theres no such thing that we are working wit terorists there are som countries who fund and evem create them however.

@huleyn135 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bender_B._Rodriguez like how america literally made taliban a thing. Whaddaya know.

@johanrunfeldt7174 2 жыл бұрын

It's not unheard of, that a weapons manufacturer sell to both sides in the same war.

@jeffryrichardson9105 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting!👍🏾😀❤️🇺🇸

@birgaripadam7112 2 жыл бұрын

I just wonder why they not build a factory for this gun (or any gun ottoman army use) in turkey/ottoman Army need a lot of weapon you could at least make some of your hand gun in domestic product instead of buying it Well now I will look at this

@nikitaponomarev2011 2 жыл бұрын

Used by much armies and people

@OldieBugger 2 жыл бұрын

How is the rimfire inferior to centerfire? Or is it?

@kylianvanhoorn2859 2 жыл бұрын

Centerfire is generally more reliable

@OldieBugger 2 жыл бұрын

@@kylianvanhoorn2859 Oh. Thanks for the info.

@not_your_boyfriend_but_im_356 2 жыл бұрын

*Jesus with guns*

@nokiot9 2 жыл бұрын

What the in the khyber Fk is THAT?!

@TurkishGrandpa 23 күн бұрын

hello, I don’t know a lot about guns, but if I got my hands on one of these, do any companies make a bullet i can fire from it?

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 жыл бұрын

.44 rimfire's an odd choice for a revolver, and I'm sure S&W tried to talk them into something more modern, but you know what they say: "The customer is always right!"

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

I'm reasonably sure that the Ottomans reason for wanting it in .44rf was that they either had a crapton of ammo already stockpiled, or they had a production line set up. Makes decent sense in that case.

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 I guess, the Turks aren't fools by any means. Mind you, eventually they forgot about us and started buying weapons from Germany. Whether the Germans said "Take it or leave it!" I don't know, but they sold the Turks some good stuff!

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@wayneantoniazzi2706 HK seems to have a business model of "we will sell you the production line so you can make it yourself"

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 Hey, they're makin' money! That's all they want!

@sharpiesfishandphantoms 2 жыл бұрын

When you work in a specialist retail the saying is "the customer always thinks they're right" lol.

@NomadShadow1 2 жыл бұрын

Cool

@-suiluj- 2 жыл бұрын

It’s no one else’s business but the Turks ;)

@sharpeguns1 2 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see the ammo also. I am a Machinist so I would like to make some for my Ammo Collection❤😇✝️

@MandoWookie 2 жыл бұрын

At 3:00 in the video he demonstrates a dud .44 Henry round.

@bruceinoz8002 2 жыл бұрын

Check out the classic text: "Cartridges of the World". It probably contains a table with most of the necessary dimensions.

@randomidiot8142 2 жыл бұрын

Pick up a copy of the handloaders guide to cartridge conversions. There's enough in there to make yourself very cynical about anything 'new' that comes out, and it gets the creative gears clicking.

@stevenjsantiago9315 2 жыл бұрын

Good like Turkish Tobacco

@g.4279 2 жыл бұрын

Me: Dirty Harry is so cool! I want a 44 Revolver. Mom: We have a 44 revolver at home. 44 Revolver at home:

@Finwolven 2 жыл бұрын

Still cooler than Clint Eastwood

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@Finwolven eh, that's a pretty big statement. Still a damn cool revolver, even if .44rf is unobtainium now.

@SaitoTsukuyomi 2 жыл бұрын

Why can Ian put me to sleep just by talking about guns?

@Sssaaatttuuurrrnnn 2 жыл бұрын

The Battle of "Plevna" sounds like the beginning of a bad joke.

@awgmax 2 жыл бұрын

One of the better sidearms of Battlefield 1

@jkoeberlein1 2 жыл бұрын

44 rim fire? Wouldn't that be kinda weak out of a pistol?

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

Compared to a .45lc? Yes. Compared to most other pistol rounds at the time? No. When it was introduced, .38spl was as much more powerful than the usual .38s as .357 is to .38spl

@jkoeberlein1 2 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 compared to anything, the 44 rimfire was developed for a rifle/carbine length barrel. Fairly weak out of those. 1100 fps.

@thesmallestminorityisthein4045 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was weak. But taken in context, it was adequate.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

@@jkoeberlein1 compared to .38short, that's pretty respectable. .38 short was 93-129gr at 790-770fps.

@Bran_Nuthin 2 жыл бұрын

For the algorithm!

@by_rakun 2 жыл бұрын

Accually im suprised to see ottoman turks making american weapon variations. Intresting

@shyfox_69 2 жыл бұрын

These were made in the US for the Turks, I don't believe they produced any domestically. The basic model they ordered is the same one Russia did, just in a different cartridge that the empire was already using.

@jaykingsun7093 2 жыл бұрын

Early experimental pic rail😆

@sheldoniusRex 2 жыл бұрын

>Intentionally obsolete... We should have done something similar in Afghanistan.

@jimboblordofeskimos 2 жыл бұрын

lol, can you imagine how much the mil industrial complex would have milked the taxpayers for to design obsolete guns?

@boomerisadog3899 2 жыл бұрын

Obsolete weapons wouldn't have been as much fun to go blow up later on.

@shooterqqqq 2 жыл бұрын

@@boomerisadog3899 Fortunate Son?

@sheldoniusRex 2 жыл бұрын

@@boomerisadog3899 we won't be blowing any of those weapons up. U.S. State department types live in terror of the American populace carrying a concealed 9mm because We The People are their main enemy. The Taliban are merely their geopolitical *opponent,* as if this were some kind of chess match.

@ScottKenny1978 2 жыл бұрын

How? They already had AKs from when the Soviets were there.

@calvingreene90 2 жыл бұрын

The decision to buy rimfire pistols does completely make sense but I think someone tried to make too much profit on converting the rifles to centerfire.

@davidegaleotti94 2 жыл бұрын

The history of firearms is just so odd

@kevinoliver3083 8 ай бұрын

I'm not so sure that the military observers at Plevna were impressed with the Ottoman's Winchesters. Otherwise a lot more armys would have bought. Rather it was civilian journalists, looking for a gimmick on which to sell their stories. And perhaps "encouraged" by Winchester's marketing department.