You should save up for a geared locomotive because Geared locomotives are specifically designed to climb really steep cliffs and are super powerful.

I’ve been playing on a server where they have everything setup perfect to the point that when they have big running sessions, they have players who specifically play the role of yard master managing different yards at different industry’s with multiple locomotive teams bringing loaded cars down to the smelter, giving the loaded cars to the iron team, taking the empty’s back up, and once the team clears the yard loop, the next team takes their fully loaded train down and the cycle repeats shuffling Empty’s up, loaded ones down, bringing loaded iron rail cars up, etc. it’s quite amazing .

as for a new locomotive, i would recommend either the Cooke Mogul 2-6-0 or the Class 70 2-8-0. keep in mind that neither of these two locomotives are particularly fond of tight curves tho, especially the Class 70. if you want something specifically made for mountain grades, the Climax or Heisler are both good options (tho they currently have a wheelslip bug when you go above 80% and 60% regulator, respectively). They're slow, but they have a lot of pulling power and their design allows them to traverse tighter curves than a normal steam locomotive one more thing. IRL, the reverser controls the timing of steam injection into the cylinders, with 100% and -100% being used at low speeds to get the train moving, and closer to center being used at higher speeds for better efficiency (i can discuss the technical aspects in more detail if you want). this function is not yet modeled in-game tho, but it will be coming

Put betsy at the front, and betsy 2 after 1/3of the back between your waggons. When the engines are at the front and at the back, youre more likely to derayl. If you put an engin in the midfle of the train, you give less stress on the waggons, so uphill is the force evenly distributed, and downhill is breaking also evenly destributed

Yes, using full regulator does use more water, because your using more steam, therefore more water has to be evaporated to make that steam. In real life the flying Scotsman locomotive used to do non-stop express runs from London to Edinburgh, because these runs were fast so they used a lot of water, in order to avoid stopping to fill up with water they built long troughs filled with water in between the rails and they used to lower a pipe from the engine and suck up water at speed, in order to fill up the tanks.

Quick math - to fill all your 4 hoppers in one go you need 21 plank cars. 7 for planks and 14 for beams. You'll end up with 4 full iron ore hoppers and two spare iron ore left. You'd better buy that geared loco quick...

I remember having a train on either end caused you guys some problems last time with pushing all the cars together and they derailed. you might want to do it with both at the front with a single car between to sort out the linking problem you get with two trains linked together. then you will either pull all the cars or push them thus sorting out the problem with a derail in the middle.

You could honestly hook up both Betsy's back to back and have a double ended engine. That'd be good for single player grinding without spending a fortune on a new, more powerful locomotive.

Since I'm not seeing others commenting on this, thought I would simply explain what the "reverser" does. The reverser controls the movement, or more specifically, the timing of the valve. When in the neutral position the valve barely rocks side to side letting no steam pressure into any cylinder. Depending on the direction of the lever, will change the order of direction the valve moves in relation to the cylinder. To go forward, it will align pressure into the front of the cylinder when the stroke is at the bottom of the wheels. To go backwards, it will align pressure into the front, but when the stroke is at the top of the wheels, allowing to move in the reverse direction. Now to the main point that is not understood, the reverser also changes the timing, which means it can allow for more speed. Advancing the timing, aka letting the valve go to the 100% open position earlier/faster lets a higher pressure into the cylinder when at the top of the stroke, meaning more force on the piston in it's stroke (more power). This is why when you have the reverser at a lower percentage, you can actually gain more traction as you are putting less torque on the wheels with less sudden pressure on the cylinders.

i love how he freaked out about 290 ironore, wait until you get back to the smelter and remember, that there you can store 1000 iron ore...

I love how you bought the Eureka and just stored it. It makes me laugh because my main engine now is the Eureka, as it can carry so much water and fuel in comparison to Betsy, despite it's slight drop in power.

That concept from 12:10 ish to 12:50 ish is BRILLIANT, so when you send a train off to someone else's dept, and it doesn't arrive there after a certain amount of time, you have a third someone else (whoever's closest), run out to check if the train's derailed somewhere, 'cos there was no-one manning that train.

"X" turns the HUD on and off. It's messed up because "X" also toggles curve radius so it often gets turned off if you've been laying roadbed.

I hope the devs one day add banking to the tracks so you can have a nice turn around a corner with more speed

Going to agree with the others suggesting to get a geared locomotive. The Climax is well worth the money, as is the Heisler once you get the hang of how to use it in its current state. Best thing about them is how much more wood and water they can hold, you can build up so much more pressure and go so much further, it really is just a massive quality of life improvement. They are slower, but the trade off is they basically never stop unless you derail them.

Honestly the talk about how much water you burn through. Betsy is still a shunting engine first. Don't be surprised when it runs out of water when hauling heavy loads over long distance. Have ya seen the volume of Betsy. Not much space for water.

This is the best series so far and I’ve been watching since 2017 so I’ve got lots to compare it too. Great job kan!

25:45 This is what happens if you pay 0 attention to the stats at the bottom left... because the Fuel was at 0 for over 6 minutes video time at this point already ^^ (you weren't even past the Iron line intersection yet). I was always wondering why you guys were running out of Boiler Pressure all the time in all your coop videos, but considering you never look at your Fuel or Temperaure, it's not surprising.

I REALLY wish they’d rebalance the porter 1. It’s no fun when the first most basic and bland engine is the best one in the universe.

On any hill, the cars should always be in a pull configuration rather than a push configuration if at all possible. Pushing up grade, especially if there are any curves, may result in a derail.

Kan is one of the few who actually puts a lot of effort and time into thumbnails

Just as a small Hint. The so called Generator has no other Purpose than powering Electric Lights :D Trains either have gas lanters or electric lights

The lumber grind is real for the iron mine! I suggest making a rail from the valley that goes to the smelter and cut direct to the right instead of going down to the smelter and then back. The amount of time save is pretty decent! It take some about 25 minutes round trip for 12 cars of planks/beams instead of the near 40-50 minutes taking the smelter route! So you'd be arriving at the iron mine from the opposite end of the valley instead of the way you are arriving now! I have a similar track and I use that long 3% grade for running iron down to the smelter. But I use the other track for lumber and ti takes FOREVER. It takes about 12 trips with 12 cars to fill up the iron ore reserves. That 25 minutes x12. So about 300 minutes or 6 hours. It's a grind for 290 iron ore!

the generator is for the lights. it produces power just like the compressor makes pressure for the brakes.

Your series on this game is propably my favourite so far because you put a lot of thought into your tracklaying and don't make ridiculously tall groundwork or spam bridges, which a lot of other people do. Your track overall look so good, keep up the amazing work!

It's called top 'n' tail when you put an engine either end of a train (in the UK anyway). It's quite common on heavy engineering trains.

x button toggles the hud info it also is add curve radius so to prevent losing the help hud you need to rebind one of those actions to another button

The reverser varied the throw of the shuttle valve that delivered steam to the piston. Once things were up to speed full engagement of the reverser could hinder the process in some cases. To my understanding it's kind of a timing thing.

Water becomes significantly less of an issue once you get a Heisler. It holds 5000 water and burns through it at only about 20-30% more than Betsy. It lasts damn near forever lolol

You can use shift to fine tune reg and brakes

Insane how these little saddle tank locomotives just run up the hill with this long train :D

I doubt Kan comes to old video comments but ive been binge watching this series and gotta say ive enjoyed them thus far! Completely forgot about catdog till now haha

Having the two trains on each side of the entire train is a dangerous game, its like y’all wanna pull all your cars off the tracks when u go by curves, ya gotta have both engines at the very front.

This is true for IRL loco’s, keep an eye on your boiler. Keep the fire stoked and you wouldn’t have had to redo the run up the hill

Yess! Another one!

It’s always fun when you do with a double ended trains

0:56 you can re rail them last I checked, although me and my friend found out that they have to be very close to a track to do it. We found it out because our cars and locomotive got launched across the map.

You could probably get two Betsys and put them back to back and manage them both by yourself easily.

kAN: The regulator acts as a throttle and controls the pressure of steam entering the cylinders, the reverser acts kind of like a transmission and makes the engine operate more efficiently at high speeds. Bringing the reverser towards the middle of the control reduces the amount of time steam is admitted to the cylinders. The way you use it is while your train is in a steady state (not accelerating or climbing) have the regulator wide open, and the reverser close to center. When you climb or start to slow down, increase the reverser in the direction you are wanting to go

In my experience, you have less of the derailing problem when both trains are right next to each other in the front, instead of having them on opposite ends of the train.

I'd recommend saving up for a new locomotive. Take longer trains when it is just you.

i was just watching the video where u were trying to get to the smelter and had an idea. Imagine if they added tunnels. would look cool

Kan, you are right about the top speed issue. (Live steam model engine machinist) The reverser does act gears, kind of, reducing the reverser is called "stepping up," it increases the lead time in the valves and moves the cutoff ahead, this overall causes less steam to enter the cylinders at the same speed, and thus creates less torque, but uses less steam. Also steam gets it's energy from expansion more than just pressure (like running an engine on compressed air), so the early cutoff allows the steam to expand more and extract more heat energy from the steam. TLDR same top speed while using less steam.

So, for advanced train stuff, I'm wondering if there's a sweet spot in firebox temp where you can maintain over 100 pressure without hitting the blowoff at 120. To me it seems like you might be overdoing on the firebox temp and consuming more water that way, as when the water pressure's under 120, the white jet of steam isn't rendered, which leads me to believe that you're consuming more water than you need to by running the firebox at max temp at all times. I won't even pretend to suggest it's actually viable, maybe burning away the water rapidly is how these engines were run at various points, but it does seem to be a major source of water loss if you keep boiling it away without turning it into power.

I know i'm late, but I just saw the upload and I'm glad i have time to watch it.

The reverser is incremented to save water by controlling the amount of steam that goes to the pistons. The faster the train goes the less steam is required to move so when you pick up speed you can reduce the reverser to save steam. When starting from dead stop or going up hill you will want to open the reverser more. A video likened a fully open reverser to first gear.

Basically, the reversing leaver makes cutoff to the engine. The advantage is that you can change between forward and reverse very quickly as is needed in, for example if you want to shut the engine fast. In real life, only disadvantage is that the leaver must stay resting at one of the notches. Also, you can make fine adjustments to the cutoff to make almost perfectly running and economy trip if possible. It works basically like this: Set the reversing leaver to desired position (lets say 10 degree from neutral toward forward, push the regulator leaver slowly until you start moving, then adjust the reversing leaver until you gain some speed. Add the reg up/down if needed or if you push the revering leaver all to the "nose diving" position 100%). Basically the leaver is the setting letting you fine tuning the fuel consumption vs power vs speed. Feel free to experiment :D Try listen the song from Fred Eaglesmith - Back There :D It would be nice to see the other side of the canyon on the way back, i personally didn't build on the opposite side of it. Can't wait to see the next episode, maybe to see some other engines in the composition in the future. Keep up the great work kAN.

Crazy end game idea: Make rails to the top of the hill and make there a jump🚅

I have a 3 percent grade to the iron mine. Betsy has hauled 9 loaded lumber and beam cars with an empty hopper on the back successfully at 25% regulator. Can do more for sure.

You CAN rerail from any distance, you just need to be close to select it. Not when it says Rerail CAR but when you stand right next to it.

I would love to see you play this game with a lot more people, someone responsible for each industry's yard, and transport routes between them. I think I remember the devs saying you can have 64 players online at a time.

i have the class 70 locomotive and yes you just sit there and toss wood in the tender for like 10 minutes. with bigger locos, they burn fuel like crazy but the masive stock you have in the tender easly combats that

I've counted the firewood on the Porter, there is approx. 45 firewood in there. *it's actually not the water, but the firewood supply that goes away quick.. since way more water is turned into steam as the firewood is burnt up.. It's not the top speed that 'fiddling with the reverser' changes, but if you have less reverser open, you're going to let less steam into the cylinders, thus higher efficiency is achieved. The two hings this game is STILL missing are tunnels and MALLETS.

the right side of the valley is a good route from the sawmill. your route is a good delivery route to smelter

36:40 this is what my algebra teacher was telling me about how it will be used in the future😂

I go to the iron mine with 10 beam cars (x3 = 30), 5 lumber cars (x6 = 30) and 3 empty hoppers (x10, so they will take the 30 iron ore produced). That is 18 cars which I pull with the Mogul up a 3% grade all the way (so, no power problems). Never leave any cars at the iron mine because you will just have to go back up to get them. So, I return with the 3 full hoppers and 15 empty flatbeds to the smelter. I leave the 3 hoppers on a siding at the smelter and use the flatbeds elsewhere until I am ready to go the iron mine with beams and lumber again (picking up the hoppers at the smelter on the way).

6 percent is nice, that's seen quite often on mountain narrow gauge railroads, and RR Online looks like a mountain narrow gauge railway. And no in reality that doesn't require the cogwheel.

I've watched the water consumption with different reg. settings. It appears the water does run down slower with lower reg. and faster with higher reg. This was before any updates, but I haven't paid attention lately.

0:02 has the eureka tender really returned

11:30 two engines back-to-back so you can just turn around and access both their controls shouldn't be too bad to manage.

honestly after seeing betsy 1’s power through these episodes i believe that by simply putting 3 betsy 1s together, you will have more power than the union pacific big boy

The reverser won't affect your top speed, but it will affect how much water you use during the cruise phase of the movment. Would help you conserve water

[For the route Smelter to Iron Mine] I tried going to the other side of the Valley to kAN, can say with certainty, don't do it. The bridges have height limits so you can't bridge over gaps that are too large and you then have to hug some very bad terrain in order to get there. Wasted about 3-4 hours on that side. Later just took a couple hours for the side that kAN went, you can quite nicely keep that at 3% with minor turns all the way from the smelter, if you use a lot of bridges. TL:DR Go the side that kAN went, but use a lot of bridges to keep it at 3%

they’re advancing!

I just recently got this game and it's a grinders dream game. Im having a blast playing. Good content. Learning tips too. Thanks for the fun videos

You should build a turntable at the Iron mine.

Awesome I was totally waiting to see this.

Im getting drunk maaaan... I chuck a beer every time you say "You know what i mean" :P Love your uploads, keep it up!

I like how you lay your tracks! Could you make a trip with both betsy‘s linked together reversed on the front of the train? I would really like to see how you control both engine at the same time. 😬😬

You need an outer line that goes around the outer edge of the map in 1 giant loop, probably 2 lanes for passing.

honestly everyone is complaining about trying to keep lke 3% grade max... but in real life its 1.5% standard and mountain passes are no more than 1.8%.. soooo i made my track to the iron mine extra long and stuck to 1.5%. its almost done and i should have no problems keeping speed with the Eureka and 10 loaded cars!

Just put the engines back to back and then have a switch track to get around to the other end of the cars. One pushing and one pulling.

BTW the next time your coal trucks fall off the cliff, they are probably just stuck in the trees. If you cut down the trees you can rerail them as long as there is track near enough.

I could watch this all day

I just like this series I found your channel by watching scrapman but I stayed for the trains

i just found out that betsy 2 had no fuel the whole ride UP the hile so only betsy was really pushing all of the load.

I use the heinsler and go rught after the mountain pass at a steady 3% incline. That way i pull 15 18 or 21 cars fully loaded up to the iron mine. 1 car lumber needs 2 cars beams for 6 iron ore. I aim for 10 hoppers per run so having 15 cars is ideal for 30 iron. Run up 4 times and enjoy 120 iron. Yeah somehow i mess up and take 103 or 105 iron out of the chute when loading the hoppers :)

I don't understand, my betsy can haul 15 cars (12 flatbeds 3 hoppers) to the iron mine with a constant 4-5% grade and it handles it fine, I also had a problem where I didn't turn my car brakes off and when I realised the train ran fine after with loads of cars.

If you hook both betsys back to back, you can control both in first person without having a second person there

cant wait till i get railroads for christmas

Gotta run enough cars to fill the iron mine in 1 go. It would be quite the accomplishment lol

The lumber and beams would be supports in the mines

developer needs to add coloured markers so you can scout ahead, place a marker for a potential track, that way you don't forget where your going as well, probably will be added at somepoint but would be super helpful.

When you have slack you could only push or pull. If you need to put a car between them, put one car between them, and the rest of the cars behind all the trains.

You were moving pretty well for an engine out of fuel!

Hey kan, might I suggest the Cooke Mogul for your first big engine? Its like a bigger more powerful version of the betsy and its intended to climb steeper tracks from what ive seen so far. Because its a thinner wheelbase then the other big locomotives, you dont need to alter your track much if you have sharper turns

I'm enjoying this series, but so far the most common thing I've come to expect is kAN running out of fuel and only noticing when the boiler pressure drops, usually while climbing a hill. I wonder if his car has the low fuel light on most of the time... I joke, though. Keep it up -- really tempting me to get this game and lose entire days building rail lines!

Been waiting for this!!

If you do what I did I fallowed the Water Fall River for like 100 miles lol the elevation starts to rise on the way up river so if you start a 2 % incline at the right spot after the water fall you can find a Snake Path cut all the way to the Coal Mine from the River. I had to start at the Coal mine and fallow this Cut path all the way to the river. Then just fallow the river down stream.

For future reference it might be good idea to drive first person pu hills so you can manage the fire or have one person drive and another do the fire

pushing up a hill is actually better then pulling from the front. on old logging railroad footage, you can see they tend to push up hill and pull down hill

Multiplayer! Yayyyy!

So my readings, adjusting the reverser should reduce your water consumption. I'll also add that your blow off valve is always on, so better fire management could reduce water usage, but I can agree that's very tedious in a game.

Great content

Hook 2 Betsy's back to back. 1 man can easily drive both

Hi I’m a huge train fan. I would like to let you know you and your partner should operate two locomotives up front for extra power. Back in the 1800s that’s what they did. Even still do to this day with the modern power locomotives. The term is called double heading I believe. With that you can run either long heavy trains on a flat plain, or a heavy freight up steep grades. Either way more power more cars, more cars more money. I’m sure you already know of this, but my point is run double heading to go faster steep grades. But for me clearly, it’s totally up to you. I do love your videos and I want to see more a lot more. Sincerely Dakota reed.

honestly I think you guys would probably get a kick out of Derail valley. Its not multi but its quite fun. More of the Logistics side of things than building. but still

finally dapper is back!

Holding shift while in first person will change the values of the reg/brake etc slower and more precisely.

I enjoy railroads online with Dapper 10000% more