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Folks tired of working in a toxic work environment, paying parking, paying dry cleaning, paying for lunch

The money I can save by NOT going into the office IS the promotion.

Imagine Not wanting to waste 3-4 hours commuting to work, wasting gas, getting into accidents.

People are tired of toxic work environments. Tired of psychopathic managers who pit people against each other.

I work from home and people started to complain and requested to see me. I emailed them a picture of myself.

the best way to get a promotion is to leave so this wasn't a good way to strong-arm their employees to stay

Everyone is tired of toxic corporate america

Wow! No promotion for choosing the convenience of no commute for a job you can do with more productivity at home? 😅 Win for the employees. Cause the money they save on gas, dry cleaning, time driving... that WAS their raise.

I’ve worked from home for 18 years. My company was one of the first. I will say that once we went home raises got smaller and smaller. One year I got a 1% raise. They always do raises after the earnings call so it makes people pissed to hear the company made a billion dollars and then give 1% raises. I decided to give myself a raise. I got a side hustle, and paid off my student loan debt, paid off my car and built a 6 month emergency fund. My company has a great low cost 401(k) plan and good insurance. If my company said we should go back to the office to get bigger raises, I would hard pass on that. I make 80 with my day job ,but with my 2 evenings a week low stress side hustle, it puts me at 100k. Since I don’t carry debt and only have a mortgage, I’m comfortable. 🤷🏽‍♀️

work 2-4 years at Dell and then make more at the next job. They will just end up losing talent and pay the next guy more. lol

Covid opened alot of eyes, if you hated your job before that you were definitely looking for a way out. I know I did...😂😂😂

So surprising that employees don't want to waste 100s of free hours commuting and prepping to commute.

I'll never understand the desire to sit in front of somebody's face all day. I can do all the same work from home minus having to suffer through weirdos breathing in my face who don't have a life outside of work and create toxic workplaces for everyone else so they can be entertained. Also fk all that 4 hours of meal prep, bringing and cleaning containers, packing gym clothes and sanitary supplies for pop up periods, driving 2 hours a day in dangerous back to back traffic, paying 150 per month for gas, washing clothes EVERY DAY, NEVER getting to see and my home during the daylight hours, paying hundreds per year for bottled water when I can use my Britta ... I can keep going but I won't. Just like I won't be working in anybody office building.

No guarantee of promotion or significant raise anyway. Just stay remote while looking elsewhere while Dell keeps paying or pays severance/layoff. They were hoping to get some people to quit to avoid layoffs and severance. If they really cared about “in office collaboration” they would not out source to India.

Being in the office is for control. How can you feel like a supervisor if you don't see your folks. The company will save money in the long run with the work from home

If you want a promotion. Find a new job. Corporate promotions are trash anyway.

There is definitely power in the collective! My company just went fully remote...Thank GOD!

A lot of times promotions are used against employees to get them to strive harder and accept more responsibilities and then the promotion never comes. When that many people want to stay home it scares corporations because it takes control from them. While smarter companies have embraced the call of the people.

Yup, I quit my last job because they wanted me to go into the office with no pay increase. I gave them a month’s notice and bounced. Theirs too much opportunity available to subject your self to an employers unreasonable demands. I did Uber and Lyft until I found my current employer who pays more, allows me to work remotely and doesn’t Micromanage. The work environment is extremely healthy.

The Genie is out of the bottle. People don't want to commute, or be stuck in office cubicles. And they don't have to.....

Do they not realize how fucking expensive it is to commute!?

Working from home is a blessing

"you won't get promoted" Me: I fail to see the problem here 😂

The ones staying remote will be laid off eventually. The writing is on the wall. When Dell needs to make cuts to its staff, that’s where they will start, the remote workforce.

All that matters is if the work gets done.

We are getting sicker as a society with mental illness, chronic disease and office work-life has been one of the biggest contributing factors. The workers are done with that. Now it is time to do better and offer something real oligarchs!

I use to work for EMC the whole recruiting process was a lie. You had recruiters lying about being permanently hired on and so many people left their previous jobs just to find out months later you where not getting hired on. What a joke...

I can't work in cubicle with tons of noise, people's headphones so loud I can still hear their music, and of course the office bullies, the dressing up and commute. Why NOT promote remote workers? They obviously performed well remotely already. I actually work best in silence; I don't have music or TV going in the background while I'm working. And the lack of office politics seriously helps my peace and productivity. I don't have a poker face so it really helps that I can wait an hour to respond to those d-mails (dick mails) without anyone seeing my first reaction (lol).

I haven't worked in office much in the last 15 years. A few times I was broke and started in the office. I am not riding a bus for 45 minutes to sit in a cubicle, not getting paid for the commute time. I can do the same work, with an executive bathroom, the perfect temperature and less distractions from coworkers that want to talk about little Sally's soccer game. You can't do laundry from the office, and I would miss my dog too much.

I didn't realize how many people I didn't like at my office until I started working remote. Mental health through the roof, more money in my pocket, more time to do the things I really want too.

Think about this scenario: One of the jobs I used to commute to took me 45 minutes one-way to arrive. Working from home when my kid has an appointment I get up, take them, come back, start working. If it have to commute: I got work, come back to get them, take them to the appointment, bring them back home or school, drive back to the office, and then I still have to drive myself home after work just so the boss's real estate investments and tax breaks can stay in the black while my life falls apart along with my breaking car and cost of fuel and time. When, in the end, they could just sell the office or let the lease end and have the space reclaimed fro something more useful LIKE HOUSING! I don't need an office family nor an office relationship. This is also how office affairs and inappropriate thinks like harassment happen. Both are eliminated if we work from home.

It's to justify the managers. If no one's in the office, how many managers do you really need?

The main reason workers need the promotions and raises is to cover things like fuel / travel getting to work and back, even more so if you don't drive and need to get multiple bus services and / or trains. On the more sinister side, I see the main reason of being forced back to the office is because managers can tell you to do anything and it always their word against the employee, if they have to phone or zoom or message etc, those can easily be recorded for proof, they really don't like employees having any kind of security.

I never want to work in a crappy cramped sometimes loud cubicle again! Plus don't like driving buying gas, repair fees, and bad weather! Freedom 🇺🇸

Here is a short true story from working in remotely vs working onsite: Well I used to work at the office in Marina Del Rey and I have a boss living Kansas city working remotely managing the office. Here I am thinking, I am paying more taxes, I have to be on time in the office, I have to pay gas, I have to spend time sitting in traffic, and everyone in working from home except me. The rest of the folks working remotely they were the laziest people I ever met and they wanted me to do everything for them because I was the only one in the office who had access to the equipment. Pretty much, I was the guy to take the blame in the office. Guess who got laid off? The guy who work in the office. I would not go through that experience ever again unless they pay me very very well to be onsite on the office.

I agree with what that one guy said: I don't care about promotions. I've mastered my role and don't mind sitting at this level for a good while. In fact, I've been at this level most of my professional life. I don't want the extra headache of management. Those guys always have a target on their back and are expected to be available 24/7. The only thing I would have a concern with is no raises. If that means no cost of living, then that's an issue because over time you will make less and less. If it does mean you get cost of living, then I'm fine with that.

Nobody is concerned about career progression. Yes that 3 percent promotion will work so well with 5 percent inflation.

05:27. I truly agree with you on employers being more transparent. To approach the issue with threats of no promotion when studies have shown that working from home actually increases productivity is not the way to go. During COVID, the UK govt encouraged people to support restaurants to boost the economy and so many people complied. So employers speaking the truth to employees (i.e. we've paid a huge lease on this building, we've promised the local authorities that our presence will boost other businesses and public transport, you won't lose your benefits or promotions but we would like you to show up company events etc...) you'll be surprised how many people will respond positively to that. Think about it. Someone is being more productive in their job working from home and because they're not coming to the office, the person that is less productive in the office gets the promotion just because they're in the office? No wonder 50% gave Dell the middle finger.

There have been a lot of layoffs in Tech. I suspect they will slowly start replacing the workers, in the positions they truly need to keep, as more qualified workers become available. At some point they will have a mass layoff....hmmm, my guess would be mostly remote workers.

For me, it’s disrespectful coworkers and closed minded management that makes me not want to be in a traditional workplace. I played team sports and I was raised to have respect for others by my grandfather who spent 40 years in the military. I literally studied management in college and understand effective communication and leadership. Most managers and business owners have terrible management skills and low key or flat out blame entry level employees for the failures of the company. And some jobs only pay management an extra $2/hr which doesn’t equate to the extra responsibility. I’m a proud full-time DoorDasher, I get to write off tons of expenses for my taxes, and I have an LLC and brand I’m working on. If I ever get to the point of having employees… I will treat them AMAZINGLY because I know what it’s like to be treated worse than a stray alley cat. No way in heck will I tarnish my name or business by displaying horrible character just for money.

The first response should be pointing out whether Dells productivity and profits are up or still increasing since workers went remote. Honestly there isn’t really another side to this. There was a reason Long Island city rejected Amazon H2Q. San Fran, NYC, Portugal (the country) has shown that landlords increase rents exponentially to maximize their margins so only the tech, bank workers etc can afford it. It’s already been proven that to increase your salary, we should be moving to a new role or company every 3-4 years. Lastly I agree with you about entrepreneurship, it’s not for everyone. My only caveat is that as blacks we only ever think of taking a passion and making a business from scratch. A lot of ppl can’t do that but a lot can buy an existing business.

My sister and brother in law both work remotely for Dill. They both voted to stay remote. My sister told me that some of those other remote employees had completely changed their lives since COVID; moving out of state, gaining pets, having children, etc. It's a huge imposition by Dill to uproot people's lives to fill offices and tighten control even further. Then if they don't, it's at the cost of all possibility of promotion. FU Dill! (It, the actually non-person corporation, doesn't deserve my advertising of their trademarked name in this post.)

What I'm seeing is, remote jobs become Indian Jobs, Mexican , Poland jobs. You want to work for a company that can't outsource your job to another country and pay them less. Personaly i dont like dressing up for work and going in, I love my coworkers and lack distractions.

Not a good look for Dell at all, who wants to work for a company that treats people or threatens like that.

Dell is gonna suffer long term

The company is just going to lay them off

I’ve been a webmaster since 2001 and have never gone to the office. Regular civilian workers are ruining this for us.

What it boils down to is management having too much power in people's lives. Additionally, toxic management does not want you to be comfortable and cozy while working. They want you in an environment similar to an old master's plantation set up but modernized. Drama and toxicity thrived in plantations and it thrives in most workplaces today. That plantation mentality is still alive and well. What if the plantation workers could do the SAME job from their cabin? The master wouldn't be able to capitalize his profits, freely walk about and harrass people at his will. Therefore, oppressive measures similar to share cropping are put in place such as a promise of a promotion you'll never get, pitting employees against one another based on differences, allowing some employees to get away with things that others would be terminated for, plantation politics....The US workforce needs to heal from its plantation past and do better by it's citizens. What "worked" before ain't gonna work no mo....

Dell will still find a way to get rid of a lot of those employees. I would be looking for a new job at a company with a better culture.

They didn’t FU anything they took the compromise. As far as anyone knows getting half of the workforce to take said compromise might have been the plan all along.

Dell just stated that people no longer matter. They are going to make more money, NOT cater to the people. I think many people don't understand how economics works. When your community looks broke down and your city continues to lose money, maybe there will be a better understanding.

Downside is when there are layoffs, the people working at home will be the first to go. But working from home is so much better if you can get it.

They’ll replace all these people with AI. Game Over

It’s the best opportunity to come into the office while everyone is chilling at home. It’s the same situation of the people who changed their jobs when unemployment was paying really good and companies were desperate for someone with a heartbeat.

I don't think it's really a win for the employees. More of a truce while DELL figures out some other way to force people back to the office. But I do think this is a wonderful time for DELL employees to reflect a bit on what is important to them, and what they're willing to pay to get it. For myself, I live in an area where the office commute isn't an issue - a few minutes and the office culture is friendly. But if I had a long commute and the workplace was stressful I'd pay a lot to be able to work from home.

Everyone wants to get promoted, but how many people really get promoted? The majority don’t. For this reason, the employees voted and voted properly.

Cheaper for dell. No raise, no office expense

hey working from home is great but she fully said "The employees voted and the employees won"... it literally says that "nearly" half of the employees voted against, which means they lost 😆 they shouldn't have even brought up the vote, the ones that want to work from the office should go and the ones that don't, shouldn't. voting has nothing to do with it

These companies are asking people to pay more to go back to work. Day care cost, commuting cost and discretionary spending is eliminated or decreased dramatically when you work from home. You won’t need a raise if you can get the majority of your paycheck back to spend in other categories.

I think turn over is going to take effect in the years to come. When the employee is ready to level up they will bounce.

Yeah, we know, they just got the list of people to lay off next. So it's not just that toxic work environment.

No, I’ve only we can get together about housing, food, prices, gas prices, and everything else they’re doing to us

If they can work from hone, so can workers from India to do the same job.

If you can work remote, you can be replaced by AI

I have a friend from Panama , I used to work with him back in the days , he has been working remote since the pandemic and the traffic it's horrendous to get to the office so I am sure he won't be returning to the office

Haha so you know 60000 are screwing off at home

Dell should instruct work from the office or get a salary reduction and deny all promotion and salary increment chances.

Well if my memory serves me correctly Michael Dell's started Dell in his dorm room. If a dorm room, not a home was suitable why doesn't your home inspire you. Companies need to evolve and not be so shortsighted. Penalizing and disregarding talent is an interesting business strategy.

Most people would not even blink a eye with a 20% pay cut to work from home... Riding to the office cost a lot of money and time!!!

Nope. I've been working remotely since 2015, long before it was "cool." Over the years, I have turned down so many jobs simply because they had an " on-site" requirement. My life is built around being remote. I work way more being home than I ever have in the office. It would reduce my production if I had to go to the office every day.

Not commuting to work and having to pay that expense is like taking a pay raise. If they hire new people with the intent of letting them work remotely they could pay them less.

The issue of urban and suburban/rural dynamics has become a national concern. Coastal cities and large urbanized areas have not adapted to the changing face of economies. The US is now in the information age, transitioning toward niche markets, possibly driven by AI. White-collar jobs can easily transition away from urban cores. Major urban centers need to acknowledge their changing tax base. Commercial real estate generates more tax revenue than residential property taxes in these densely populated cities. For decades, the high concentration of capital and political power has been absorbed by these urban areas. Generally, people prefer to be left alone and are willing to pay taxes, but they expect a fair return for their contributions. The problem is that these highly urbanized centers often lean left or 'progressive,' and political blocs like unions tend to erode middle-class wealth with little gain. Look at Oakland, CA: high living costs, expensive housing, and costly, unsafe commutes contribute to a city plagued by crime and inadequate law enforcement. The black community has suffered under ineffective restorative justice measures, serving as a warning sign. Eventually, large corporations may buy up commercial spaces at low prices, triggering gentrification that forces out long-term residents. In essence, high-density urban areas need to adopt land use and zoning changes that support diverse economies, rather than relying solely on white-collar employment. A focus on manufacturing, supply distribution, and varied economic activities is necessary. Humans are not meant to be confined to cubicles. Why spend 45 minutes to 1.5 hours commuting each way, only to work 8-10 hours and then make the same trip back? If individuals and corporations are concerned about climate change, we should encourage telecommuting for white-collar positions. This would reduce greenhouse gas emissions from idling single-occupancy vehicles, decrease road maintenance needs due to reduced daily travel, and lower gas consumption, along with its associated infrastructure costs. Telecommuting policies could effectively drain large urban centers and refocus on individual areas and regions, ultimately benefiting both people and the environment.

I've been working remote for the past 8 years. Never going back to an office. Companies claim there's such "employee cohesion" and productivity being lost as a result of remote work but that's all cap. If the company lost that much production they'd be out of business. They certainly had no problem leaping in to comply with that Branch Covidian BS in 2020 without a peep about lost production. Fired people left and right who refused to take those ridiculous shots. What happened there? They talk about cohesion and interaction but they forgot to take the fraternization prohibitions out of their handbooks before capping about how important grade to France fellowship is. No, what it comes down to is their need to micromanage. Same as always. Not here for it. Neither are Dell's employees, and good for them.

People chose "Self selection" for future layoffs. Dell telegraphed their replacement plan. Enjoy it while it lasts.

You save time and money we. Less stressful more productive. Companies need to chill and address the people that need to be addressed. Promotions aren’t always what they seem

companies don’t care about employees they expect you to give at least two weeks before you leave but they’ll drop it in a second. They treat you like a number so it’s time employees do the same. What goes around comes around

I remember living in Henry County Ga and working in Clayton Ga as a data entry clerk. If anyone remembers the year we ran out of gas. Like, literally. We were driving to work and most days for a week. We only worked 3 hours. Just burning gas for nothing. We asked to be moved to remote because the job could easily be done from home. There was no paper or machine work needed. They refused. So, we all started filing for unemployment to cover the missed wages. We were by law full time employees. Needless to say, they laid off some ppl right before Chrisrmas. Smdh

This is what the entire worforce needs to do in the country

I think this won't end well for the employees it's a Trojan horse making it easier to layoff those that choose not to comply.

They said no promotion, no raise…😳

I dont work at Dell however the cat is out the bag and no one including me wants to work in a cubical or office 5 to 6 days a week. If its not remote or HYBRID I dont want it. And another thing promotion thing is just means I don't have take responsibility and work on other things outside work.

How about you can work remote but now we will add more regulations on your work progress. Key board tracking, more camera usage at random times, a more detailed work report on remote workers productivity etc. The thing is work from home wasn't promised ( as some frame it) a forever thing by any company so for them to say come back in should've been expected right as a company reserves that right on policy? Many went and bought more expensive homes further away from Austin as cost of living is high, had more children and this really got going during covid time so many just got overly relaxed with this momentary choice. To chose the stay at home over a potential raise or promotion as a career path while raising a family or mortgage is crazy. I see many returning to office but with less chance of the company or financial growth tey once were in line for. We shall see.

I’m confused how non-remote roles because of a pandemic are expected to remain remote. You cannot force a company to change their positions to accommodate replaceable employees.

Months before the pandemic my doctor wrote a statement asking my job to accommodate me due to my mental health suffering from a toxic hostile work environment. They said they didn't have the technology to do so yet when the pandemic hit we were working from home in less than two weeks. That was a few years ago and I still think about all I went through to the point of wanting to sue. There's power in numbers, glad they got what they needed

Getting up 2 hrs earlier for time I’m not getting paid and driving (gas and maintenance) 40 min to and from work along with inflation…is not going to make me buy anything around that company. Going into the office to wait in line for a promotion is a demotion at this particular time. I also walk everyday around my neighborhood I feel is safer than where I work. I lost 40lbs being at home. I am more active and go to a lot more restaurants now than I did while working in office. I could go on but I rather work from home. Not to mention I don’t have to worry about doing fire drills in a high rise or deal with bomb threats or hostile coworkers.

I’m 50/50 on this too… you send people home and they start adjusting their life to working at home and then you bring them back? That’s not fair, people need babysitters, on the flip side, why not learn another part of the business with a promotion? You can always take your skills to another company if it don’t work out for you. Now is the opportunity to jump on the learning process to be promoted. Everybody want 6 figures but don’t want to put the work in.

Remote workers will also be the first to be layed off. If Dell really want people back in office believe me they will start hiring and firing the remote workers. No one is irreplaceable.

Whats crazy is that I haven't heard a peep from Michael Dell since this return to office was put in place. He so boldly stated if you have a return to office mandate in place, you're doing things wrong. My sister is an engineer at their Round Rock location, but she decided to go back in the office. She said she does the EXACT same thing she did at home. Meetings non-stop. I work from home, and to my knowledge, they aren't making us come back in. Working remote has been a game changer for me. I do NOT want to go back in any office

Never worked for a company that allows you to decide where you work from. Guess it works until they need to shrink the footprint. They will be the first ones out the door. If it happens to be during a downturn then it might require some belt tightening and hard decisions. Companies and Industries all have a life cycle. These folks are in an industry that's hot at the moment. If it cools and they have to jump to another industry then it will be an awakening.

The promotion is thankless with inflation. All of the work I have done the past 10 years washed away with the cost to live.

The problem is they hired tons of people during and after COVID who were nowhere near a Dell office. People would have to spend three to six hours traveling. And Dell ain’t giving gas money for that.

This is part of the reason why men make more money than women. Man wants more money and promotions his ass will be at work early. I’m betting the ones who do return will get substantial bumps in pay. Possibly major stock options. Two can play this game.

and DELL will retaliate and lay them all off. These employees are stupid!

I totally understand all the WFH employees but people like me who has been seeking a role in tech for the past couple of years is ready to work in office and network/build with employees. Single no kids, I’m ready to move wherever to work.

Those who chose to work from home will get laid off soon. This is how they filter them out. Watch and wait

A few reasons why they want them back in the office: 1) if they don't come back, that might lead to voluntarily quitting, 2) office space costs money, 3) to maintain control over the workers. Dell, by discriminating against working from home, is incentivizing some of its best workers to leave. This might increase their profitability to shareholders short term, but long term it dooms the company. In the end, a company only truly has what it values, and if it doesn't have good employees, it doesn't have a future!

People are fed up with the commutes, office drama, dirty microwave, late stay and so forth……Leave them be.

Organizations should put more time and effort into creating better work places and better work environments. Clearly, people don't want to work in the office. But how many of these companies are listening and trying to make it better!!

It is an ego stroke for managers to have people on site to boss around. My work place was saying everyone has to come back on site. I said if you make me come back on site I will retire. I am still working remote. I do better not being around toxic co-workers anyways.