I should have explained my thoughts better because they're definitely not 100% clear judging by the comments. I don't think the King is "good-hearted" and they've definitely done bad things. However, because we don't actually know the results of our actions, and due to the King's fight dialogue having to have some backing (unless he was lied to), then whatever does take place in the conclusion must be bad for their people, right? It's possible everyone else also just doesn't know. It could be argued either way though. So I do agree: The King is bad. But if your victory wipes out the world and casts Darkners back into obscurity, that's also bad... Maybe even worse? Especially if his reason for wanting to kill you in the first place is because in the past you were tormentors - someone who conflicts physical or mental suffering. You may befriend people along the way and change how they feel about you, but your end goal is still the same. That victory could very well be bad for the Darkners. Then again, we still have that mysterious Knight as well...

But the people didnt like the king. Everyone says how they hate the king through the whole game. He is the only one that sees himself as a hero to its people

So are we going to ignore this ‘knight’ which is mentioned? And like...the king has shown to be a horrible ruler. Here’s merely saying he’s a hero’ to his people

You hug Raseli in the beginning of Deltarune. You hug Asriel in the end of Undertale. Give this a think.

i recently realized a theory about what ralsei could be, its a bit simple but it makes the most sense to me. Ralsei is Asriels Halloween costume, the one that is mentioned on Toriels computer when going into the other Classroom (the one that is of 1st grade..i think, can’t remember what grade it is) just like the darkeners are toys left by lightners (the monsters[and/or possibly humans] that played with them), Ralsei might be Asriel’s old witch/wizard custom kept in the supply closet, possibly by toriel. someone also mentioned to me how, when defeated, ralsei turns into just clothes, which adds to the theory that ralsei is actually just a costume in the “real” world.

Have you noticed? DONT FORGET - Lyrics: When the light is running low And the shadow start to grow And the places that you know Seem like fantasy There's a light inside your soul That's still shining in the cold With the truth The promise in our hearts Don't forget I'm with you in the dark -------------------------------------- ENTRY NUMBER 17: DARK DARKER YET DARKER THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE (photons are light particles btw) THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY VERY INTERESTING WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK? ------------------------------- Don't see it? DARK DARKER YET DARKER THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER When the light is running low And the shadow start to grow ------------------------------------- Seems like Don't Forget might be a message to Gaster from a peer or one of his followers. Or... Sans? Remember, in his secret lab, Sans had a blueprint and a picture with the words "don't forget" Gaster broke into time and space, but this proves Sans isn't a part of Gaster, which is a theory I've heard.

While I'm not the biggest Undertale superfan, what I think I love most about these games, is that out of the mind of ONE dude, he was able to create such a deep and lore filled world. It's honestly incredible. I love getting wrapped up in all these theories, even if they end up being debunked lol

I'm personally of the mindset that this has nothing to do with either Frisk or Chara, and it's simply the player taking control of Kris via his SOUL, who then breaks control by tearing it out. Toby has stated that DELTARUNE is a standalone universe from UNDERTALE, even. It just uses the same characters, but it's an entirely different story. For all we know, Chara and Frisk don't even exist. I've never been the fan of the whole "evil Chara!" thing--Chara dislikes humanity and definitely give off a dark vibe in Undertale's genocide route, with your determination awakening them from the dead. But Chara is just an observer--or the player's guide, acting as the narrator, which can be revealed through a variety of different flavor texts and dialogue. As you go along in Undertale, depending on the route you pick, it influences Chara's character or their general outlook on the world. In genocide, your actions reaffirm Chara's outlook of humans being terrible, whereas in true pacifist or neutral, you may prove otherwise. In essence, the player shapes who Chara is. They're not an evil demon, they're a tormented child.

mmm maybe the vessel we create will actually become the body that the SOUL will reside in. And kris becomes the villain.

The true villain of DeltaRune is the Nut Dealer

OK then, do you think Ralsei was lying? Because he sure tried to convince us (and I wonder if he's aware of the players since he knows about keys and menus) that we were the heroes

I have nooooo idea if someone has covered this or not but. Why? Oh why does no one mention what Seam says? If you ask them about the history, they explain how the darkeners world was perfectly fine until a knight showed up. The knight apperently changed everything as they locked up the other 3 kings (as there were 4 kings ruling over the darkener world) and let the king we fight in the end in charge. Maybe it was a knight that is a darkener and that's why the king doesn't like lighteners? Or maybe the knight is a lightener of sorts that decided to start this "legend". But yeah. The reason I do believe what Seam says as they seemed to have been around for a long while, even saying how they were the one to lock Jevil away and consider themselves old. Please! If someone's done a theory or a think about this, tell me? I'd love to know 😊

i'd have to disagree with your whole belief of kris being in any way related to frisk and chara, even toby seems to be pushing hints that deltarune and undertale are unrelated.

Ho ho ho! I sneaked and left a comment! - Signed, Lancer

I think the stain is from the pie Kris ate without letting Toriel eat some. Maybe the knife is to steal more cake since Kris has never actually attacked anyone only pranked. So I think he isn't a violent person, instead more of an odd trickster.

i have to throw a wrench into your theory because here are a few issues 1) Ralsei is a darkener himself, as he tells us he is the prince of darkness so why would he kill his own? 2) Lancer's father is 1 of the 4 kings, so why couldn't he be the "evil" one, also he is a villain as the "enemy's" tell you he took over by force after the other kings fell, which makes him a dictator 3) we are NOT Kris, but the Heart(or soul) that controls Kris, as this has been debunked by lot of other theorist as we see kris take action against the king 4) Chara Knew you would go the good route, which is why they "get rid of you" in the end(by locking you in a cage) 5) some of the enemies thank us, that's kinda contradictory to being evil 6) this whole series in one gaint gaster experiment, as you said in your pass theory, but what you forgot is that WE (the soul) is the experiment, as the ending song in deltarune, the lab logs, and the huge mention of "determination" points to it i like a good theory, and this one actually had me agreeing with you until these points i brought up. i think these can open room for dicussion

I think Kris in overworld (town) is evil or at least an as*hole (maybe he is manipulated or it is his choice I do not know) But at the beggining then we create a vessel red heart appears of course vessel is discarded but heart (or soul to be more accurate) Remains and it is players soul because then we fall in to the dark world Kris save file is overwritten by our own and we control him and make decision to fight or spare plus heart Kris has is the same from the "creation" scene and later he pulles it out My theory is this: after the intro our soul is fused with Kris (somehow) but we can not seize control and make choice however then we fall into the dark world control shifts from Kris to us (save alteration and being able to control his red heart and also note about soul reacting to fountain is at least intersting details that might point to this) But the thing is after we return to overworld Kris regains control and he did not like that our choices changed the outcome of king (we can overthrow him or force him to fall asleep) so he separetes himself from us by imprisoning soul in a cage (the fact that we can control the heart at this moment means that it is players soul)

No actually the king threw old rulers in prison and forced his people to quit their original jobs and fight or make tutorials or serve him and his son even if they didn't want to and the guy that was with mr. Elegance talked about how intimidating the king was by saying how he bows to him if he asks because the king can be/is scary Edit: ppl in the comments have told me about the King being guided by a knight and talking about how he won't disappoint him and ppl said he was following his orders but still proves my point we have a knight from the dark world ordering the King to do these actions but hey we'll see what happens in chapter 2 :)

Well yeah, we never even saw this mysterious Knight. I doubt it's Gaster, but it's odd for it to be completely unrelated.

Think about this, from the legend that you can watch upon booting up the game: "Only then, shining with HOPE Three HEROES appear at WORLD'S EDGE" The heroes will appear at the edge of the dark world. "Only they can seal the FOUNTAINS And banish the ANGEL'S HEAVEN" Take note, here, that "fountains" is plural. Also, that we don't know what "angel's heaven" is, although the name "Asriel" is the name of an angel in Christian belief, the angel of death. "Only then will balance be restored And the world saved from destruction" Clearly, you don't save the world by closing one fountain, but multiple. Maybe even all of them. "Today, the FOUNTAIN of DARKNESS- The geyser that gives this land form- Stands tall at the center of the kingdom." The fountain, the first one, is at the CENTER of the kingdom. Why does this matter? Because the THREE heroes appear at world's edge, the edge of the world. World's edge cannot be the center of the kingdom. And yet, our heroes appear just outside Ralsei's kingdom, arguably Ralsei appears IN his kingdom. Which would make his kingdom world's edge. "But recently, another fountain has appeared on the horizon..." Question: If the fountain is at the center of the kingdom, wouldn't that be Card Castle? Where the four kings of darkness have ruled for a long time? So, if Ralsei's kingdom is at "World's Edge," Which fountain is the original? If it's the fountain at card castle, then sure we've stopped a coup by Lancer's father, but in that case, he's just protecting the original fountain. So what's Ralsei doing?

5:46 eh, not really. If the prophesy is true, then the new geiser will destroy the world. Besides, every hero is the bad guy to the antagonist, but considering what might happen, we are clearly in the right here

turns out two years later its more complicated than we thought it was going to be.

Mario and Luigi on the left Enemies on the right So...

Guys, the ending is not Chara taking over, instead it's Kris waking up to get a piece of pie....... Obviously

The Darkworld reminds me of Alice in Wonderland. Especially since it's implied that Kris went to a different realm; maybe the Darkworld is part of the void. ( It would explain why Gaster is the only thing that's heard on the phone.)

The cage received a lot of hits, as it says if you inspect it. That could mean that this isn't the only time kris became "someone else". Also i do think the knife at the end was for cutting the pie lol

maybe kris just does that every night because it did say when interacting with the bird cage saying that it has seen a few bruises

I think you misinterpreted the king’s words. He thinks he is the hero to his people, but none of the people actually like him. They even decide to overthrow him just because of lancer and Kris’s group being nice to them

I think that the corruption of the soul or the bad body your soul is in was created by Gaster and I think he is behind your body's evil. I believe that your soul might be good as you control it and in the body is the one that pulled you out. Prehaps Kris is just the body and you are a reanimated soul changing because of the combination of Gaster and the genocide ending. I'm 100% sure Gaster is behind this. 6:31-That was probably just a design thing in this game. I'm pretty sure Toby took a bunch of stuff from Mario and Luigi.

I really don't think the King is good everyone is scared of him and seen pretty miserable even before we fight them and he locked up the others kings to assume total control, like maybe he had good motivations, but by the way he treat Lancer I don't think he had, he was just an egotistical dude that only wanted power. The Dark World was quite cliche in the story, so an evil King fits normally on it. Now Frisk I think they're just a problem child, my theory about why they are like that is because they lived in the shadow of their brother for so long that they started to make shit things to get at least some kind of attention, but in the end they did move on the way to protect Susie without the players command so I think they can be good if they wishes to. But seeing the birdcage and the angers they have for the heart, maybe they are tired of being controlled by an entity that they don't know or even understand, and I have the suspicion that Chara entered in the picture thanks to the crack from the Light/Dark worlds or they crack it themselves to enters in this reality and was just wanting a 'empty' vessel to appear this is why I think after Kris ripped the heart Chara takes control of them almost immediately, Kris did pranks, but they just scare others not hurt others like Chara did, I think if they did pranks that hurt others people would be much more afraid of them and much lesser they would have a nerd as a bully.

"We're the villians! The king is actually the good guy!" Did you forget he almost dropped his son off a fucking castle balcony and that we're trying to close a different fountain then the dark one lol?

I want to know who this knight is. When the king becomes tired, he says "I failed you my knight". Jevil mentions the knight. I heard somewhere that it was the knight who locked up the other kings.

I have some observations i wanna add. Its a world of toys, the lighteners used to play with them all the time, till one day they were all put away and never taken out again. Asriels toys to be exact, he left, left them all behind. His childhood left behind as ralsei. So who was the knight?

Drinking Game: Take a drink every time Swanky says "proclaim(ed/s)."

The true villain is........you guessed it..... Frank Stallone

I propose that the person in the ending is not Chara. It is us. First, how would Chara go from one timeline to another? Toby confirmed that Deltarune is a separate universe. Chara only can possibly go to another world after a genocide ending, and Toby confirmed that Deltarune does not change the ending you got in Undertale. I propose that we are the "Chara" of this universe. We are taking over, or already took over, Kris just like Chara does to Frisk in the genocide route. We are more powerful, though. Chara needed genocide to wake up and say, "oh, don't erase? LOL your choices don't matter." But we do that at the start of the game. When we first save, we replace Kris' save with our own. The ending is not Chara retaliating; it's Kris.

Kris Frisk Chara

i figured that KING isnt the villain by just looking around the wiki on how to exit the menu -_-

Hmm while I am not of one of the people to believe 'Chara is evil' in Undertale, this theory does bring some interesting idea such as the fact the egg does come back with you from that world and the fact we may be the one making Kris behave such a way. There are issues going against it in that Kris doesn't just get angry if you are a Pacifist, they will throw the heart/soul out even if you want a full attempt at genocide in the dark world. The king may see himself as the hero and you as the villain but that doesn't change the fact he's the only one to see that as no one else will go against you in the pacifist ending of the dark world. You would think that if you were a villain you would get more then one enemy. Sure in some games heroes are limited but it is often the villain vs the world. Though I don't fully agree I will say these are interesting ideas and I think you did good on the video. Keep it up.

uhm... the Chara = the narrator is not a theory, it is a straight up fact, there are tons and tons of hints in Undertale itself, as for my own theory... Kris is there own human, who knows about the player and want there own freedom

Before watching, I'm going to say that the true villain is "The Knight". Whoever "The Knight" is. Though some clues point that it's true identity is Gaster.

If the King is "a hero for his people" , Why his people hate him and made a coup ?

I see the ending as kris understanding that their/player's choices truly don't matter making them snap, practically closest thing to this timeline's flowey.

First and foremost; No the king is NOT a hero to his people at ALL. HE HAD THE OTHER KINGS LOCKED AWAY! EVERYONE FEARS HIM! HE WAS GOING TO KILL HIS SON! HE GOT RID OF ALL THE PEOPLE'S JOBS AT MAKING PUZZLES! He THINKS of himself a HERO. He thinks his actions he is taking are heroic because of the mysterious KNIGHT we have got pieces of. This KNIGHT that lead Jevil to realize that he is in a game. Calls the game what it is, a prison. The confined window of Delta Rune certainly could be considered a prison indeed. This knight is the one who has the power to create these other fountains. Specifically in the fight with the king there are some things of note when YOU the player character talk to him. He specifically calls you a lightbringer, something we have never heard anyone say to anyone in the game before. It's also oddly different from Lightner. It could be a shortening of it, but I am not so sure. Why would he say something else specifically? Not to mention that it is followed up by "Your very existence goes against our very own." Which seems to imply that lightners and darkners should never coexist. But as we hear in the story that is not the case. I think this message is actually said to the player character, it's being said to you. "By the Knight's will, I shall shatter your heart to pieces." The knight knows about the goings on of the game, the knight is mysterious and hidden from sight. The knight has caused at least 2 people to change, that being the King and Jevil. There's a lot more in the game than just that, but I don't buy this you guys are the bad guys thing. There's a lot more at play here that we just simply do not know. I also really don't know how I feel about the RPG fight thing because Super Mario RPG: Legend of the 7 Stars has the same kind of orientation to Delta Rune. Also all the Mario and Luigi games. Honestly I think it just makes more sense having your characters on the left, more often than not in platformers you go left to right. I honestly don't know how to feel about this point at tall. I have so many more notes on Delta Rune it's insane, but yeah I don't know how I feel about this one dude.

well, I mean, the king is not willing to be peaceful, and he DID try to kill his son. Its a good theory, but I think it has some holes

Congratulations! You were f*cking RIGHT!

I think Deltarune plays in timiline where Frisk dies.

“in deltarune, we’re not the heroes, we’re the villains” -IMMEDIATELY cuts to an add-

4:31 they defend chara being good based in no evidence......... yes there's this dialog whenasriel mentions they climbed mount ebott with not a VERY HAPPY REASON. but later on in that same line of dialog asreils states that they were not a VERY GOOD PERSON.

So the villain is that smiley person?

“Every villain is a hero in their heart.”

Hey Swanky, nice theory, but some things didn't really make sense to me. Like you said, there is a chance that the King is actually the good guy. But the ending in the 'Dark World' was a happy ending. Everyone is happy that the king is gone and that Lancer is the new king. Also: The king locked up the other 3 kings up in a cage, because he wanted to rule the 'Dark World'. With all of this information, I can almost garentuee that some parts of your theory are incorrect. Still nice video! Please do not consider this comment offensive, your theory was still great and well-thought of!

Have we forgotten about hardmode? What if Deltarune is Hardmode. (Im pretty sure im wrong ill just go back to corner)

ROUXLS KAARD IS MISTERY MAN! Change my mind

"Frisk was under the temptation of Chara..." Yeah, the harmless, goofy narrations and flavor texts! What temptation!

4:52 HE CALLED KRIS A HE **half of the fanbase grabs knives**

i don't like how the title says UNDERTALE 2

The thumbnail aged well, turns out kris might be the villain

8:20 chara is not starving for stats in deltarune as we can also have temporary stats by equipping different weapons and armors and also a few ACTs can boost stats too like piroutte which can jumble up HP and sometimes the HP can be increased with this ACT

I've always thought the dark fountain that is supposed to be in the castle where you meet Ralsei is the second one and the one actually wrecking havoc. Think about it: He claims to be a prince, yet has no subjects, you cant enter any doors or houses, nobody is around, and he closes the door when you leave. What if it's one big facade? Maybe Ralsei is trying to replace the first fountain? But why?

I guess Mario's the bad guy because he's always on the left side in his RPGs

I'm going to take a solid guess and say that there's going to be a new villian every chapter

Still, on the Pacific ending, all of them showed thankfulness for defeating the king, the supposed villain. Plus interactions with monster in the Dark World showed that it was a much better, happier place before the King appeared.

I'm here after the 2nd chapter of deltarune finally came out. Can't wait for theories on that ;)

He predicted the future

Deltarune, not Undertale 2. I'm sorry Swanky, but Toby confirmed it isn't a sequel.

To me Kris seems like a lifeless doll to. That the player is controlling him. That is why he doesn't react to Ralsei taking his hat off, getting fixed by the hammer, susie eating chalk, getting slammed into the locker, etc. The only few times he breaks this act is when Susie is about to be defeated he shields her, when he takes a few steps back from the closet in fear, when he bows to the king to help Lancer. In fear of the player taking anything from him, so he keeps his side of the room dull. When the leave the dark world, Kris has a object that he loves, if you press toss it will say *You really don't want to toss it, toss it anyway? or something like that. If you press yes it will say Kris is bitter. If you press no, Kris will be relieved.

me and a friend of mine were talking about your previous gaster theory and expanded on it quite a bit. since then i haven't been able to see the game any differently :u our theory, mixed in with your gaster one, is that gaster is creating something like dream bubbles from homestuck, in order to try and contain chara. undertale is like, the main folder, if you will. and then once the element of player choice, of determination (as in, to literally determine), chara was activated. chara is a spirit who feeds off of power in video games, even if not so meta. when a choice is made to hurt, maim, or kill, they are called, and the more it is done, the stronger they become. player choice is the culmination of that (you could even argue that original chara, asriel's brother, was visited by this spirit once he hurt asgore. but know that for this theory when i say chara, i mean the spirit, not the first fallen human) gaster became aware of chara, determination, saving and loading, etc., and began work on a device that would let him exist outside of time and space. his goal? modify the universe to protect everyone from the sheer genocidal power of chara. but he couldn't do that with the original universe. so he made sub-universes, folders within the main undertale folder if you will. using the same assets but rearranging them, finding some way to eliminate the possibility for player choice, for determination. because so long as a player can make choices, there will be death. but no matter what he did, chara would always, inevitably, be called, and the killing would commence. so gaster created a plan b, a trap for chara to fall in whenever it seemed that player choice was being exercised. this is what the dark world is. a perfectly generic story that exists in the void, designed by gaster and his followers as a way to qualm player's desire to play a game. it's got a decent enough story, cool fight mechanics, some puzzles to solve and even a secret boss. but no choice. no killing. it goes on just long enough to chara to, hopefully, be deterred. but obviously, it didn't work. we make it to the other side, but we keep playing. and then, at the end of the day, chara takes over kris, as they've probably done in many other universes, and looks at the camera as if looking at gaster himself and saying "i've got you now, old man". as you said, a game of cat and mouse. so, why does chara get rid of the heart? why can we still control the heart? i think player choice/determination and chara's desire to kill are not reliant on each other, not completely anyway. i think the player playing the game is a trigger for chara, a sign that says "this universe is a game, time to level up!" but chara *can* make their own actions outside of player control, just as we can play the game without letting chara gain power. sometimes. it seems the rules that applied to undertale chara don't apply to deltarun chara for whatever reason. maybe they're stronger, maybe the boundary keeping them from taking control is weaker due to being a sub-universe. who knows. but it's obvious that they don't necessarily need us to make the first blow anymore. what happens next? there are some possibilities. we could come back to chara having killed a bunch of people, and perhaps work directly with gaster to try and capture them. we could find ourselves in another sub-universe, almost starting the day anew, maybe even going to the same dark world but with a few tweaks. maybe we go through a gamut of different dark worlds, each with their own unique stories, but each deteriorating as the player brute forces their choice. i dunno, but these are my guesses. sorry if this came out really confusing and messy or if i missed something, uh, i'd love to answer questions if y'all have any!! ^^

Nah this theory does not really make sans! The theory ive come up with is that its still a survey because the game is called "survey program" and it is set up by gaster to have information about how you play.

yeah but what about when lancer leads his ppl to overthrow the king then? also the fact most of them dont want to fight in the first place but are forced to by the king? seems like a flaw in ur theory

That opposite behaviour makes sense taking into account that Chara represents us (Toby fox: "You can call your name to Chara"),and in Undertale we begin being good,as Kris in his arrival to the Dark World. Kris as Chara may hate the world,but he realises that he is needed in that world and so help them

Who wants to hear my theory? So when ralsei said that the fountain is only sealed when light and dark are broken, he could have been referring to night and day. so night is the time when kris becomes possessed, but judging by the red stain, the broken wagon, the cage, could mean that kris may have been possessed and ripped out and thrown his soul into the cage recently before the time we see it-maybe Chara could have removed anything from his past that could have triggered a memory of getting possessed by her to let her keep possessing kris-which could be why kris has nothing in his room except for the cage, because it is important to keep his soul in. Ralsei could have purposely transported kris to the dark world to stop chara and protect kris and his family from getting harmed at night. Because we know ralsei has a connection to kris’ family

Holy shit

But that no true kris rip heart take knife and eat pie nom

About this mysterious "Knight", there's is evidence that this could be Gaster. The man behind the tree, who is most likely Gaster, gives you an egg. EGG translated to Wing Dings makes left, up, up in hand signs, which is the movement pattern for a Knight in chess.

6:11 In Mario & Luigi games however, Mario and Luigi appear on the left side in battles, while their enemies appear on the right side.

The true villain is the original starwalker

KRIS WAS THE KNIGHT ALL ALONG!!!

Wow man unexpected! Kris is The KNIGHT that someone controlling the soul of Kris means Creates The Foundation cause destroys the world.

We are proud of working with a talented content creator like SwankyBox! Fantastic video!

And now I can laugh in your face, HA! I always told you chara wasn't evil and didn't posses kris! The only thing possessing Kris is us! Kris is normally creepy

He predicted this right

At the end when kris pulls out his knife he be like: IM GOING TO EAT THAT PIE

Kris seeing this: you're not right. But you're also not wrong.

The True villain is 🅱️ U P

... YOU WERE RIGHT KRIS IS THE KNIGHT

I got a little theory. Kris turns into his knight outfit while she went into the dark world but however susie stays the same. Kris has determination, a soul but susie is a monster, a monster soul so Kris is this knight and ehe/she is fighting/sparing monsters and doing good. Susie does not change in the dark world instead she hurts other monsters as her own kind or spares them. Kris is a human and they are monsters. Had humans affect the dark world??? After all kris is a knight and does not keep her original clothing. But susie does. Monsters were the evil ones and humans were the good ones. Kris turned into a knight a leader but a monster stayed the same. Susie was taking charge in the Light world bullying Kris but in the Dark world, Kris took charge. I think humans did something good in the dark world. Or it could be Kris`s determination turning him or her into a knight

The king only _says_ that he is a hero to his people, he's delerious, he's convinced himself he's the good guy. But if you get the "I didn't kill anyone" ending, the people very much hate the king, and would very much rather have Lancer as their king.

We are balancing dark and light what makes us heroes. We are not building something as a light fountain. We just balance everything. Destroy the second dark fountain.

I believe that the player wants to take control of the story. You play a game to have fun and to make choices you usually won’t make in real life, but a theme of this game is that your choices don’t matter. At the beginning of the game, YOU are saving over Kris’s file. YOU are trying to take control. When he finally rips his soul out, he’s taking back control. He doesn’t care about your choices. Kris is trying to rebel against the greater forces: you.

6:15 i think youre 100% wrong there. Most games have heroes going left to right. Pokemon. Mario paper. Multiple fantasy games and just about all side scrollers Being on the right of the screen is rare actually

This is like in UnderTale : You do a genocide , kill everyone , and Understand you are the Villain.

If Flowey is the Knight, that will be a great plot twist.

cool perspective :) but i think the choice to place the party on the left as mentioned at 6:12, was because throughout the game, you progress by walking towards the right so it would make more sense to place the enemies on the right so once you beat them, u can continue moving rightwards

I think Chara could be sorta-good, as “laughing it off” could be them being nervous, and using buttercups could be misreading the recipe (Asriel misread it, too)...but they still hated humanity, so they could be a tragic villain at best... ...although, Chara is probably supposed to be the player, since you choose their name, so they could be good or evil... I'm also wondering if they could be who talks to you in Deltarune during the "survey"/the game's intro, and not Gaster. -part of why I think they could be good is because of the theory that they're the narrator, which I think makes sense because a lot of the narration sounds like it's coming from an entity with experiences (and some of the narration and how it can change makes them look good, but easily influenced; just killing one monster makes "it's half-full" turn into "it's half-empty" when checking the dog food in Alphys's lab), and Chara seems to surely be the narrator in the Genocide Route so why not in the Pacifist Route, too? Instead of Frisk awakening them (they probably wake up once Frisk hits the flowerbed, or when you get to Flowey or the first save point), they're probably just following Frisk around, and are easily influenced by Frisk's actions due to how they feel about humanity and how they know it's a game.

“Despite it only being 3 years ago. It felt quite a long time” 3 years is a long time swanky...

lmao what if Kris’s heart/soul absorbs a flower and becomes an alternate version of Flowey. that’d be freaking crazy

Just a Small tidbit here Take a look at this, the King and Catti's husband who's name wasn't mentioned Both have there Right arms cut off just wanted to put this out there. Now that shouldn't be a coincidence.

Kris, Ralsei and Susie are as much villains as the rebellion in Star Wars lmao

You know I have been thinking that Ralsei isn’t the prince of dark, but Kris. Or rather, the force controlling Kris. If you start a route by killing in Undertale, Flowey (aka Asriel) calls Frisk his “little monarch” on more than one occasion! Which is also aimed at the force controlling Frisk. So either the prince of dark is Chara, or it’s you.