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Would it be considered a panic attack? (Genuine question since I don't know exactly how panic attacks work)

@@catbatrat1760 Yes. People with panic attacks are reported to be unresponsive, shake, cry, and/or scream.

@@catbatrat1760 I've had plenty of panic attacks. Usually I just wind up shaky and try to avoid talking to people because I feel like I'm either angry for no apparent reason and my body moves faster from adrenaline. And then when it wears off, I feel like taking a week-long nap. That's the one thing that couldn't be translated in Kris's actions

@@catbatrat1760 It depends from person to person, for me they feel like I'm about to get a heart attack or stroke (half of body/jaw/hands going numb) which makes the entire thing worse. Some people go through a near catatonic stage where they're expressionless and don't respond to outside interaction.

I didnt have time to watch the full video, could you tell me the timestap this was implied???

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that

Probably because Kris saw Spamton as a reflection of themselves: a puppet on a string being controlled by some higher power, and it shook them down to their very core.

@@AstralMuffin105 that's quite terrifying

@@AstralMuffin105 chapter 1 Ending got Kris feeling like:

@@AstralMuffin105 77 likes nice

I thought the wire snapped because of his movements.

It was kinda sad on the walk back on pacifist one. And worse, spamton died.

Meh

@@luisapaza317 yeh

@@dr.happyfuntimes1214 you can see the blue slash

Kris is aware of their situation as someone sharing body with... "something" else, hence Spamton obsession with cutting his strings got to them

Kris's character development:😐😑😐

@@buntado6 Kris: "Oh shit he's talking about cutting strings. This player soul better not get any ideas of getting away from me..."

Kris uses they/them pronouns exclusively, according to Toby Fox.

@@kidpixdeluxe4 fixed, sorry, I kinda project a lil bit on them so I just see them as a he

Exactly. He's so happy, and he just... dies. He waited so long for freedom, only to fall from the wires, get stuck in vines, and become an item, therefore never being truly free. Holy [hyperlink blocked] this moment hurt.

Suddenly the mettaton neo “fight” makes sense. He went down in one hit not because of poor defense but because alphys forgot to charge the batteries.

@@changvasejarik62 what I say this comment has to be a joke

*(edited)* just spamton

@@CoraCreates *(edited)*

Your right about the soul being the player because in the secret route it's basically confirmed. It's in spoiler territory so I recommend you checking the secret route final boss for yourself.

@@ultraz9319 *You‘re

@@ultraz9319 could you please link it for me?

@Alex is gonna Commit Arson kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndulq9eL1aq8Yps.html

Wait the thing with the screaming makes so much sense. I read another comment that said THE reason was because seeing Spamton be freed from his strings was so infuriating for the real Kris. But this with compared to the strained yes makes much more sense.

IT'S FOR ME?

@@_starrpark_1856 **SKADOOSH**

No matter the meaning, if there even is a meaning to that, it just looks stupid. He's just getting [[!#$%]] pelted with his own face.

@@DesolateLavender I think it was just used as an excuse to give the player some breathing room to heal and stuff

@@largeboi4678 Like Jevil's fake out tired

I'm certain that it is, cuz as we see Kris removes the soul and can stagger around while we the player cannot follow, most likely meaning that at the end of the fight Kris realizes that there might not be anyway to gain true freedom from us.

7:32 do you wanna be a heart on a chain your whole life?

@@CodenameFives maybe maybe at the final chapter we might get our own body ya know the one The person discarded from us in chapter 1 and putting us in kris body..

@@CodenameFives what if Kris body is actually being possesed by something else also using it as a puppet, and to prevent us to claim back control takes the human soul out? because most of the times this happens Kris is either super sleepy, tired or just sleep, not aware of what he is doing, idk why people dont notice this and thinks is just Kris being edgy, when he is clearly being possesed by something. if this is like Undertale Soul, our choices can make Kris be fully possessed by this evil, or be free from this evil, what if its refering he is being used as a puppet, but by this evil force who is making him create a fountain as shown in the end of this chapter? think about it.

@@SettMetabolik you make a valid point, it could even lead into the other controller being Gaster possibly, however I still think that the fountains and everything else out of our control is Kris's own choices due the how Kris acts after the spamton fight, though your point could make a great twist for the story.

seriously he’s never had friends before

Pretty much. Kris and Susie were the first people he ever interacted with, so this kind of thing is all new to him and he's treading as lightly as possible, trying to help Kris without making it worse.

His reaction is similar to how I react to other people being like that. As a neurodivergent person, I tend to be clueless on how to comfort other people, so it can come out the same way. So perhaps some amount of the "evidence" towards Ralsei being evil is a misunderstanding and Ralsei is just autistic coded?

I think that Ralsei noticed Kris was freaked out and wanted to drop the subject

@@avacadotoast5571 that's a good theory

I think he’s just tossing it out there. Plus its possible he can just smell pie on his breath since the night before Kris Ate a whole Pie

I think its a reference to Toriel's, "Do you want butterscotch or cinnamon pie?" she asks in Undertale.

Nah he's right, Ralsei is fucking sus. They know so much information they shouldn't know and we know next to nothing about them. Who told them about the Legend? What does it mean to be the Prince of the Dark? Why are they so much like Asriel? Why are they so much like a Lightner and yet, are somehow a Darkner? And we know Kris does actually like butterscotch pie, so he's right, how do they know that? And Ralsei is intentionally trying to get the other two party members to ignore the things Spamton ranted about. I wouldn't be shocked if Ralsei was fucking evil honestly.

@@kolbo2001 or, he could be asriel and he discovered the dark world before anyone else?

@@KorporalKReephdmkiytrecv69 or maybe he is actually Asriel trapped in the Dark World instead of being in college as everyone think, and got his memories erased... idk, but he definitely sus

Yeah. Let's not forget that Ralsei just SOMEHOW ends up in the Cyber Dark World.

Ralsei knowing about the school and knowing where all the items from chapter 1 are and to bring them is beyond sus

It may be that the Dark Worlds are all connected in some way brushing off the boss seems fine to me since Jevil does the same

@@sacredstars2618 Brushing off Jevil was fine since I don't think they really mention it afterwards, right? But Susie of all monsters brings it up and Ralsei pushes to ignore it. I do love Ralsei, but he definitely knows things he has no intention of letting everyone else in on. Although yeah I agree castle town probably has some otherworldly properties connecting everything

He probably knows about the Player or sumn

Someone mentioned this before but they said that ralsei doesn't know what to do since he didn't have any friends at all before so it just might be his first time comforting someone but I might be wrong

No character that likable and cute can be trusted.

@@NeonVoxel Yeah Ralsei is suspicious

If a friend of mine just went through an experience that was clearly traumatizing for them, you bet your ass I'mma try and get them far, FAR away from that experience.

@@rlfpotatoking9253 ralsei probably just didn’t know what to do and just came up with something

What schizophrenia does to a mf

"But nobody came" dun dun dun....

That was probably one of the most unsettling parts of the fight for me

Hey, I mean at least their legacies live on in the things they drop You have the Jevilstail/Devilsknife from Jevil and the Dealmaker from Spamton

@@breadbug6101 but thats the catch, jevil DOESNT die, he talks to you after beating him, he just... stays there, thats all

if Spamton tries to "join" your party as items but your inventory is full, he just complains with Kris and says he will go to his [trailer], almost as if he didn't really die, just... Became items

@@ParanaenseOwO well I never got that every time I defeated him but damn

@@ParanaenseOwO Still in the end we don't see the hidden bosses in the town anymore, so once we leave that's the last time we'll see the guy.

13:20 "ARE YOU WATCHING, HEAVEN?" 1:28 "STAND UP WITH OUR HEADS IN THE CLOUDS AND LOOK INTO *H E A V E N* NO other character has put this much emphasis on HEAVEN, or SOULS as much as Spamton has. Hell, Heaven was been entirely avoided as a word UNTIL Spamton! (And Ralsei in Chapter 1)

@@KynG5 in the "other" route... Spamton just directly calls Noel "Angel" twice.

@@SenatorMailman beware of Noelle... got it.

gotta replay the first chapter

@@Chillllllllllllllllllllllll so Noelle is specifically more important than just this chapter.. hoo boi

That’s the point tho? Spamton wants to take Kris’ soul, not only for his own reasons, but because Mr. Big Shot sympathizes with Kris’ situation (being controlled by us, the player, against his will.)

@@halloween5440 But it refers to you as “Kris”

@@EVDVGames it mighy be like how Spamton can't go on without his "strings"

@@selimyucel741 I know!

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I thought it was just referencing the fact that Mettaton NEO never got to attack.

@@grfrjiglstan imagine if Toby is just a next level troll and put all this stuff about "a lightner's dream" not coming to fruition as an in joke about Mettaton NEO never having the ability to attack

69 likes Noice funni number moment

Or is maybe cause they never had a reason to use it

We dont know if we are literally a player though. The soul could very well be its own character

@@mechamedegeorge6786 Or just Chara

​@@mechamedegeorge6786 Toby has been trying to tell the message of "The main character doesn't choose their own actions, YOU do" since Undertale, I don't think a soul without any body could be a character.

@@samlovescatsfr Thats actually just a interpretation of it from the fandom, not a fact

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@@saucesaucesaucesauce1380 so?

Pretty sure it was just referring to the Asriel fight in Undertale.

Mettaton the unpopular ghost made this robot, obviously

@@1982pokemon Thats the first thought that comes to mind, but thats almost never whats intended for Deltarune and Undertale lore.

@@ragnareikrem3197 it's probably the other thing, looks like asriel really just had to do that for spamton huh.. No [Heaven] for that guy.

@@1982pokemon Or both.

He sort of is he doesn’t need to be worried about sales anymore as an item

If you also notice he doesn't just fall naturally. Someone in our party cut that wire, and I think it's green

@@the-annoyinator I saw it as blue I think either one of us is colour blind

@@MasterIsabelle Do you see Ralsei's clothing as blue?

No

true :(

If your inventory is full before collecting spamton's crystal and glasses, he would be mad and he still using his old way to speak when he's mad :v

Wait. He has different dialogue if you don't have any inventory space? As in, you never used an item through the whole fight? That sly dog.

@@grfrjiglstan Just use heal prayer when you need healing, or you could use Susie and her unmatched ultimate healing!

I have a feeling that the "strings" are just wires that power the suit, and with all of them cut off he "dies" because the suit he's using as a vessel is no longer being supplied with electricity, and so it can no longer function. He sees them as "restraining strings" because of his insanity. Remember how the Queen's suit also runs out of power at the end of the chapter?

@@DogDogGodFog Great Theory!

@@ragnareikrem3197 Not necessarily a theory, I'd rather call it common sense. Even the game itself refers to them as wires half the time, actually I'm not sure if I remember it correctly but the 'snap wire' text and other flavour text in the battle refers to them as wires while only Spamton himself refers to them as strings, but I don't remember it exactly so please correct me if I'm wrong.

when your buff purple friend shoves you so hard you go out of bounds

it reminds me of that part in Undertale where Papyrus just walks on water for no reason

Deleted scene: Ralsei starts clipping through the floor

Wait- in chapter 1 lancer walks off the path when he 'joins your party' (i think thats when it happens its been 3 years so idk)

Ralsei is definitely hiding something

How did that even happen? I chuckled a few times seeing him just get pelted with his own attack(s)

STOP HITTING MY FACE WITH MY FACE!

Love your Chito pfp dude

That's what I was thinking 😆 🤣 😂

I think its just referencing his next attack being, well, a heart on a chain

i think he knows kris is being controlled by the player somehow and wants to free them

@@echowoods7977 Kris is the heart, his soul is the chain.

And Kris is freaking upset

Now someone go and make art of this three sentences!

Ah yes,

Spamton both turned mad and tried to be free

@@isimyok960Sans tried to be free too. Rooting for Us/Frisk, (Convince they/Us in the best terms to be good). And fight to stop us in the worst scenario. Those three are faces of the same problem. *Sans/jevil/spantom: -Someone once told me, that Time is a flat circle.

I'm like 90% sure it's because while the chapter 1 secret boss was designed for the fact chapter 1 is basically a demo, spamton is designed to be the first of 6 more secret bosses in the full game. So spamton is less meant to be "hard" just "the hardest in the area"

It also could have been easier with R and S action.

Really? For me, most of Jevil's attacks are easy to avoid if you know where to go. Chaos bomb and the spinning scythes being the most dangerous. As for his Final Chaos, it can't kill your party even if you are low HP and purposely get hit several times by every attack. If you are efficient and can avoid healing for many rounds, then he can be beat before chaos bomb and final chaos. I thought Spamton was way harder, took many try and a night of rest to finally beat him. I just can't get a read on the Eyes/Nose/Mouth attacks all at once, as well as the attack with the 2 phones shooting from top and bottom.

@@alexandrepilon4328 for me, Jevil's fight is harder, as his attacks feel much more chaotic, and he only has about 3 or 4 attacks that are relatively ok to avoid. Spamton NEO I feel has more easy attacks than that, specially the ones with his heart thing. There's also the fact that you can only do the ACT that makes Jevil tired when all three members are alive, while with Spamton NEO you can cut wires even when not all members are alive. Then again, Deltarune chapter 1 was the first of Toby's games I actually played, so maybe that's why it was harder for me.

i died 3 times to spamton and beat him at the next day, and snowgrave route spamton i will never do while i beat jevil on only 2 tries

oh simply just oh

Bruh wtf how did I not notice that?!

No, its Blue the strike, indicating Kris was the one who "set him free"

that was changing color.

To be fair, we were level... 14 at that point? Here no matter how strong we get, we're always level 2

@@oriolpiquer6287 yeah, lv 14 frisk can probably take down every deltarune enemy with 1 hit

I think it's a joke Toby made because MTT Neo has -40000 Defense

@@mew3929 yes its sarcasm...

@@oriolpiquer6287 that and mettaton neo had only like 9 defense, lmao

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@@saucesaucesaucesauce1380 bruh wtf is your problem

@@greatdayforpizza6974 your mother

And it is one of the only moments in the game Kris shows emotion

@@saucesaucesaucesauce1380 Anime profile pic detected. Opinion discarded.

I mean, I could see it, idealistic as that may be. This game is hinting HARD at the existence of Gaster, to the point where I can almost see him more as a Deltarune character than anything else.

Yep

Toby is not only a genius of music motifs, but also of story motifs.

how the hell do you people notice these details

@@thewall4069 Funny enough that’s not even the most obscure detail. There’s check text saying Spamton Neo is his own worst invention and undertale calls Mettaton Neo Alphy’s greatest. It’s so obscure because you need to check twice to see it which nobody would ever do unless by accident.

@@Space-ious *(edited)*

Yes, of course, stay that positive, spamton wasnt a friend to gaster, spamton, as jevil, was a PUPPET, dont you see it in his neo form? He has STRINGS, in the store he just... starts to glitch and a text, a NORMAL text asks us for help, if we can hear him, that is spamton, the TRUE one, jevil had luck, he only went insane, but spamton turned into a shell of himself, controlled but whatever force

Spamton isn't dead He's an item but he can't move or interact much

@@kinglycrimson oh I thought he died.

@@zcgamerandreacts2762 both secret bosses turn into items to help you, tho

Was it Gaster, though? I assumed the one helping Spamton was “Mike”. He certainly _reacted_ to saying the name like someone who’d had the rug pulled out from under them.

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@Shadow Dream oh I'm almost positive that's the case. It was just another layer on top of the unsettling sandwich

@@ArchangelAsias just the grainy buttercream frosting on the psychological horror cake

And you'll have to fight Spamton Neo with only Kris

Mike is a guy from the 1997 [bigshot] advertisement

1) I think this was done by lancer also at some point but could be wrong 2) he is avoiding stuff yes, but he is telling Kris not susie 3 and 4) not sure how to answer these 5) ralsei exist in the dark world. Lancer and rouxls are playing cards, heck most of them are toys which is why ralsei whispers to you to go get them, he is trying to not tell susie, is it suspicious yeah it is 6) that can be explained easily. When the lights are off the dark world exist. We can clearly see that every "dark world" is just a room in a place. So it could be that when the school lights are off the whole school becomes a dark world

Yeah, he’s definitely hiding something. However, if you don’t mind, I would like to say something about some of these points: About 1) I think that’s just a animation mistake (Sorry, I couldn’t tell if you were joking or not, so it was just in case it wasn’t); About 3) He was just throwing around cake flavors (He’s not even mentioning Pie flavors in the first place), meaning he didn’t know which one was their favorite. He just happened to suggest the Butterscotch flavor in the middle of the others: “Kris, I’ll make some cake for you later, ok?”, “I could even make it chocolate-flavored.”, “Butterscotch, cinnamon… whatever you want.”; About 4) Yeah, that’s a stretch. Putting your hands behind your back doesn’t really mean anything. It’s just his new stance/sprite. I mean, a lot of people and characters walk like that, just saying. About 5) When Lancer turned into stone, after explaining why that happened (If a Darkner moves to a Dark World different from their own, they might not “belong” and turn into stone), Ralsei said that Castle Town’s Dark Fountain is made of Pure Darkness, meaning any Darkner can live there. We’ve seen that that is definitely true (Whenever we come back to Castle Town) and since Ralsei came from that Fountain, the one made of Pure Darkness, I think that explains why he is fine when he moves to another Dark World. About 6) Yeah, it’s definitely odd that he knows the school layout. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that Queen also knows about the Library somehow. About 7) Not saying your theory is wrong, I just wanted say that we don’t know if this influencer (of JEVIL and Spamton) is really Gaster since this is an AU (Alternate Universe) and the garbage noise doesn’t necessarily mean it’s him since that noise might not really be exclusive to Gaster. For this reason, I prefer to call them by a different name. I call them: The Entity. I just think it’s better to call them by this name since we don’t know who or what they are. Now, 2 and 6 are the points that I would consider suspicious. He definitely seems to know something about Spamton or what happened to him or maybe something about the SOUL because he was very clearly bothered despite saying he doesn’t think it meant anything, at least judging from his sprites. He did definitely worry about Kris because after he noticed Kris was bothered he went to try to calm him down and comfort him the best he could. I’ve seen some people say that he didn’t care about Kris in this scene because he only did something after Susie notices the goosebumps, but people seem to ignore the fact that: 1. He had his back turned to Kris because he was talking to Susie so of course he didn’t notice immediately (Neither did Susie, but since she was facing both of them, of course she noticed); 2. He immediately went to comfort him the moment he noticed Kris wasn’t well, like when he yelled out “No” (And because when Susie went to talk to Kris, he could have only shown that he noticed after Kris either said “Yes” or “No”; 3. If you hugged him when you were to pose for a picture at the end of the Acid Pool Boat Ride, he will hug you here to calm you down and then when Susie leaves after both of them had that cute exchange about hugs, he says: “I think everything will be ok, Kris.” and Kris (along with Ralsei, both) walk(s) out of there on their own. So yeah, Ralsei is hiding something (From Kris, and the Player), but I don’t think he is doing that maliciously or for evil purposes or anything like that. Maybe he has good intentions and reasons to hide this stuff because maybe he fears what might be done with that information? In any case, I think he is still very nice even if he’s a bit secretive, but maybe he has good reasons to act this way. I think he is still, as you put it, the Bestest of Best Fluffy Boys (Not that I ever thought he wasn’t, mind you). :)

Yeah, he’s definitely hiding something. However, if you don’t mind, I would like to say something about some of these points: About 1) I think that’s just a animation mistake (Sorry, I couldn’t tell if you were joking or not, so it was just in case it wasn’t); About 3) He was just throwing around cake flavors (He’s not even mentioning Pie flavors in the first place), meaning he didn’t know which one was their favorite. He just happened to suggest the Butterscotch flavor in the middle of the others: “Kris, I’ll make some cake for you later, ok?”, “I could even make it chocolate-flavored.”, “Butterscotch, cinnamon… whatever you want.”; About 4) Yeah, that’s a stretch. Putting your hands behind your back doesn’t really mean anything. It’s just his new stance/sprite. I mean, a lot of people and characters walk like that, just saying. About 5) When Lancer turned into stone, after explaining why that happened (If a Darkner moves to a Dark World different from their own, they might not “belong” and turn into stone), Ralsei said that Castle Town’s Dark Fountain is made of Pure Darkness, meaning any Darkner can live there. We’ve seen that that is definitely true (Whenever we come back to Castle Town) and since Ralsei came from that Fountain, the one made of Pure Darkness, I think that explains why he is fine when he moves to another Dark World. About 6) Yeah, it’s definitely odd that he knows the school layout. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that Queen also knows about the Library somehow. About 7) Not saying your theory is wrong, I just wanted say that we don’t know if this influencer (of JEVIL and Spamton) is really Gaster since this is an AU (Alternate Universe) and the garbage noise doesn’t necessarily mean it’s him since that noise might not really be exclusive to Gaster. For this reason, I prefer to call them by a different name. I call them: The Entity. I just think it’s better to call them by this name since we don’t know who or what they are. Now, 2 and 6 are the points that I would consider suspicious. He definitely seems to know something about Spamton or what happened to him or maybe something about the SOUL because he was very clearly bothered despite saying he doesn’t think it meant anything, at least judging from his sprites. He did definitely worry about Kris because after he noticed Kris was bothered he went to try to calm him down and comfort him the best he could. I’ve seen some people say that he didn’t care about Kris in this scene because he only did something after Susie notices the goosebumps, but people seem to ignore the fact that: 1. He had his back turned to Kris because he was talking to Susie so of course he didn’t notice immediately (Neither did Susie, but since she was facing both of them, of course she noticed); 2. He immediately went to comfort him the moment he noticed Kris wasn’t well, like when he yelled out “No” (And because when Susie went to talk to Kris, he could have only shown that he noticed after Kris either said “Yes” or “No”; 3. If you hugged him when you were to pose for a picture at the end of the Acid Pool Boat Ride, he will hug you here to calm you down and then when Susie leaves after both of them had that cute exchange about hugs, he says: “I think everything will be ok, Kris.” and Kris (along with Ralsei, both) walk(s) out of there on their own. So yeah, Ralsei is hiding something (From Kris, and the Player), but I don’t think he is doing that maliciously or for evil purposes or anything like that. Maybe he has good intentions and reasons to hide this stuff because maybe he fears what might be done with that information? In any case, I think he is still very nice even if he’s a bit secretive, but maybe he has good reasons to act this way. I think he is still, as you put it, the Bestest of Best Fluffy Boys (Not that I ever thought he wasn’t, mind you). :)

​@@gadjetjr.7528 Thank you for replying! I agree that most of these points have some explanation behind them, I just listed them in case. However, I feel like the bscotch/cinnamon cake flavour choice is still quite sus. In Undertale, Toriel asked you to chose between bscotch and cinnamon pie, so isn't it interesting that Ralsei would list the two exact same options? It could be just a funny joke that Toby Fox made (Haha look here's a reference to Undertale!), though, and probably wouldn't mean anything important.

I say you're underthinking it. Spamton Neo blares out so many parallels to Metaton Neo you'd be a fool to ignore them. There's a running theory that the normal chapter bosses will all be foils to undertale's normal run bosses, and the superbosses will be foils to the genocide run bosses.

@@MrSailing101 you know what? that's a good theory! jevil is a foil to sans, with both of them knowing their worlds are/have aspects of games. spamton is mettaton neo, who both want their dream so badly?

@@forkalamari6093 if u give integrity to sans immediately then that doesn't leave much room for papyrus

@@saucesaucesaucesauce1380 true, I wasn't really but what I meant was that they're foils to one another

The power of noclip

In the cyber world, if ralsei and susie happen to walk on the black, transparent platforms appear on their way. Must be something similar

He used Creative Mode

This isn’t as big a deal as I initially made it out to be; Kris also has the potential to walk on the black in the alternate version of this cutscene.

He's just built different.

On a different note, this made me realise something Will fighting certain secret bosses and skipping others affect your gameplay? Since the secret bosses do happen to seem to be SECRETLY (ironicly) connected If we skip the mentions about jevil it is very likely that Mike is the secret boss for the next chapter or one of the main bosses And will """freeing"""" spamton or at least show his tool to what we assume will be mike in the next chapter?

I read something that said that the leitmotif at 3:34 more than a Jevil leitmotif will be a "freedom" leitmotif that all secret bosses will have. Both Jevil and Spamton have themes of being free and in control in their fights, so it would make sense that the secret bosses going forward will have something similar

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I mean would you not be unsettled by that whole thing? Even Susie was clearly Not Happy with what just happened. Ralsei was the only one who seemed willing to ignore it...

@@dekkonot Yeah, and Kris is shown to be afraid of Spamton far before that whole "puppet" talk starts. I smell a red herring.

Thats mainly because both outcomes still tell Kris "You cant break your strings", becoming stronger like Spamton Neo turning on his EX mode only delays the inevitable truth (or even speeds it up in his case), while cutting said strings can kill you.

maybe it also shows that if he tries grinding and gaining more power than the soul can handle, he still won't be able to break free?

or maybe its not about the player at all =P It could just be about the dark side of Kris that awakens at night, Kris is probably just as scared of that as being the PC

that's actually the whole thing

I keep getting a ton of damage from the phone hands, pipis eggs and the attack where he like shoots a lot of stuff from his face

Wouldn't that be because Kris doesn't have a gender just like Frisk and Chara, so everyone refers to them with "they" or "them"?

Every character does that

Lmao its just their pronous?

i played it a few weeks after release and i don't remember getting this either. the only idea i have for why i didn't get it is that i didn't fight Spamton on my first run and went back to a save point after beating the game to fight him, that or it's bugged. i'm not sure.

13:29 this makes me hate gaster a lot…