Delves: New Endgame Pillar in War Within

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Delves: New Endgame Pillar in War Within

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Dratnos

Күн бұрын

If you want to watch me do some delving here's a stream VOD: / 2174182890
Check out my stream at / dratnos

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@Kadaren 2 ай бұрын

dratnos is a national treasure protect him at all costs

@KingKoopah 2 ай бұрын

Man of the people

@garya1714 2 ай бұрын

Globally significant. A light in dark times.

@Kadaren 2 ай бұрын

the true catalyst for peace

@tobiastkker3806 2 ай бұрын

International***

@MostlyFish21 2 ай бұрын

He will bring our country peace through strength

@jace4817 2 ай бұрын

Freudian slip there: Joining Dungeons and M+ as the third PvE pillar. Dratnos, blink twice in next video if they force you to raid against your will.

@zuralani1 2 ай бұрын

definitely agree with adding the visual respawn points to dungeons. If i had 100 gold every time someone asked a variation of "where do i release?" i would have so many gold caps.

@GrayzBDF 2 ай бұрын

The videos the past months have made me crave more Dratnos. Will be watching twitch vods now. Love the vibe. So chill. Could listen for HOURS hahaha

@islatubular 2 ай бұрын

Withered training that’s what I’m fuckin talking about dratnos yeah boy

@kj01a 2 ай бұрын

Dratnos: 3rd endgame pillar joining dungeons and M+ You heard him, raiders! Get out!

@TheCaptinhazmat 2 ай бұрын

no lol

@Sh1eldorb1t 2 ай бұрын

torghast 2 looking cool

@wm1573 2 ай бұрын

Except it’s not mandatory unlike SL

@Sh1eldorb1t 2 ай бұрын

@@wm1573 That is true! But i think it looks very similar

@petepaddick7498 2 ай бұрын

I found Torghast as a healer an absolute nightmare.

@jakeburch9992 Ай бұрын

now the question is, will torghast 2 be like torghast season 1 or season 2/4

@eonarose 2 ай бұрын

I appreciate the exactly 17 minute long timer.

@DerNesor 2 ай бұрын

Dr. Atnos is so right here! Mobs having frontals instead of autos would be so good. It was great in plunderstorm, make it great here.

@normannseils3936 2 ай бұрын

Just go in as a tank. Grab the rewards, get out.

@DerNesor 2 ай бұрын

@@normannseils3936 See I am that weirdo who wants to like what he is doing.

@mattoleary811 2 ай бұрын

Having a visual indicator of new rez points would be huge in M+

@Thegearsofwar2268 2 ай бұрын

I'm very happy to hear that hero track gear drops from Delves. Lately it's been pure pain running keys in Season 4. If I can just skip low level keys with delves and jump straight into 6-10's with full hero gear that'd be fantastic.

@petrsebik 2 ай бұрын

I guess you would be able to do that, but you still gotta learn the dungeons. So I dont know it jumping right into 7-10 keys is a good way.

@johnj4471 2 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure he misspoke. It doesn’t drop but rather fills great vault.

@wowsew 2 ай бұрын

@@johnj4471 he said in the beginning "you can get up to hero track gear in your great vault" so yeah in vault not end of delve. As of now

@johnj4471 2 ай бұрын

@@wowsew oh I was believing the comment that I might not have been listening but I know it’s in fact only from vault and pretty sure dratnos knew too

@derryberry7991 2 ай бұрын

Blizzard and making things fun will never be in the same sentence

@Zemilia22 2 ай бұрын

Delves=scenarios at least in my head, I do wish they had like an endless difficulty scaling tho. I would gladly push devles even if there wasn't a reward attached just because it would give me something to do between keys. Obviously I know thats not who the content is aimed for with delves but it would be nice if they made soloable content also be enjoyable for everyone even if it was just as a way to pass the time, I thought torghast was going to be that then they made it mandatory and this is a perfect time to make up for it imo.

@Belander50 2 ай бұрын

I agree a lot with end of the video. That's has been my thought on delves is its something I can solo gear all my toons at a slower pace.

@MuttleyGames 2 ай бұрын

This could be great for the devs to test new mob mechanics outside of competitive environments. Maybe lean on cool abilities like the Plunderstorm mobs. It could also be used to teach someone how to do dungeons and group content without having randoms pushing them to go faster. Additionally gearing alts or maybe being boosted by your maxed out friend so you can get higher track gear and vault.

@FlockofSmeagles Ай бұрын

It would be interesting to see a build a party mode built off of this. Different champions that you could farm from group, world, and end game content. Get unique delve related tier sets, etc... It might actually be a way to fill the void between content updates.

@_Baleful 2 ай бұрын

Man, I totally forgot about horrific visions. What a fantastic piece of content.

@gregthomson2299 8 күн бұрын

Totally agree. They could add a difficulty modifiers (like masks did in horrific visions) to make the content a challenge for a larger section of the player base and extend the time when delves are a relevant challenge/gearing path , a proving grounds type challenge, where players would be rewarded with better gear for improving how they play. Scale it right up in difficulty, but reward beating the increased challenge. I realise that different classes/specs/roles would be hard to balance, but nothing good comes easy!

@okayleethogs1068 2 ай бұрын

It looks very good. We just need to make sure they are adequately difficult beyond the lower tiers. Like Mage tower+ difficulty after a certain point

@ii2gjdp20sjdj2 2 ай бұрын

What's the gear from the vault? Is it just heroic track open world and leveling gear, or does it give items from dungeons and raids as well? This could be pretty annoying if there's another Arcanocrystal and you are desperately hoping to get it from delve vault.

@lampshades5436 2 ай бұрын

The graveyard tech is really nice in here. Def agree it would be amazing to see in M+. Just have the respawn points unlock after each boss kill. Simple and effective =)

@biosignature1087 2 ай бұрын

I was really hopefuly for delves as something I could do, but having done up to and including tier 11, the only changes within a delve seem to be mob spawns and collectibles. It remained cleanse the same 5 shrooms in the same 5 locations. I wish objectives would change too, otherwise I'm worried they will get boring simply because they are kinda static

@katzicael 2 ай бұрын

I'm kinda excited for delves, it's something fun to do when you're burnt out on keys and chores.

@WarrickRanger Ай бұрын

I’m trying to figure out, and I haven’t seen anyone post this info yet, is wether gear drops from the delve itself or if you only get currency. The vendors sell it looks like Adventurer track gear for the currency. And then your vault gives you progressively better gear. But can you get a piece of gear at the end of the delve, and what reward track is it?

@neillindgren6077 2 ай бұрын

its Torghast 2.0 they are okay

@painfullyavarage4316 2 ай бұрын

At least I don’t have to try and sneak into keys on alts on Monday nights anymore for vault

@kalivann8409 2 ай бұрын

I’m interested to see how much gold these actually give at the end. Might be a way to farm gold for those that don’t do the gathering profs

@Chun-1208 Ай бұрын

would be cool if they dropped runes that you can then sell in the ah for some gold.

@Bwern 2 ай бұрын

for someone who is mostly at the very highend of pve content, I am pleasantly surprised at how well thought out your input is. genuinely hope someone at blizzard is taking notes

@RedAntisocial 2 ай бұрын

I’ve hopped through a few on the beta, if they make the higher levels challenging enough (hard to tell with the auto-gear scaling) and the pick-up powers entertaining, I could see myself killing time in delves fairly regularly.

@finlaycraig1810 2 ай бұрын

i bet we'll still have to do them as part of a weekly quest or something

@lucasbetarello2592 2 ай бұрын

I did most of the 11s as dps DK, felt good and I hope the tunning for the high delves will be good at release (and the secret one)

@12fulworld69 2 ай бұрын

Did it on mage aswell and would've just really liked for more to be cc'able. As much as possible let me use my frost novas and dbs in place of the dh self healing. I feel like that's the most fun way of balancing caster vs. meele.

@Aragashia 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wasn't playing a caster (Ret Paladin) but I ran into plenty of situations where I simply wasn't allowed to use my toolkit or even positioning to my advantage. I noticed that some enemies (in addition to being immune to CC) would straight up kill you through walls and pillars. If I'm given a resource (like the candle) that depletes when I move, perhaps allowing me to use my ability to move out of LoS would be a great incentive to keep an eye on said candle? I think the worst example I ran into was during a +10 delve when I got to a narrow hallway near the end and was faced with two mini bosses (not part of the delve itself): Both of them were completely immune to CC and one of them was shielded by the other to take 99% less damage, alternating between the two. Mechanics were non-existent and they'd simply stand there casting direct-damage spells at me until I died for 1+ million per cast, even through walls. I think the only way I could've completed that delve was if I had an invisibility potion with me so that I could straight up skip past them. I'm not expecting it to go live like this, but I'd be lying if I wasn't worried with the release date looming.

@Average_Brad 2 ай бұрын

I hope they get this right. This could be the ultimate pay-off for the new alt-friendly design goals. This is the perfect low pressure place to play around with new specs/classes/roles/talent builds. If they can get the fun/challenge/reward/accessibility balance right this could be huge.

@normannseils3936 2 ай бұрын

The few that I did on beta were boring even for the first time.

@dotftw1 2 ай бұрын

There already follower dungeons to test out classes / add-ons. Also I don't think an instance with lots of external buffs would be good for that.

@Average_Brad 2 ай бұрын

@@dotftw1 Follower dungeons have no scaling difficulty and reward gear that will quickly be irrelevant. I don't think it's going to be the best option for learning a new class/spec/build for other high end content, but within delves you can do whatever you want without risk of social pressure to min max everything and hopefully still find them fun, challenging and rewarding.

@jimbaj5814 2 ай бұрын

Mr. Atnos, Do delves have any puzzles in them like the digging maps for the loam niffen? Thanks!

@littlesnowy98 2 ай бұрын

like it or not for some of you , it's another Option to enjoy the game , and i absolutely look forward to it , it's paradise for some players out there trust me

@wackywarrior001 9 күн бұрын

I was in until I learned I’d have a NPC I don’t like join me, oh well , maybe they will make an option to keep bronzebeard out of it

@3allz 2 ай бұрын

They look decent to me. Not a hardcore mythic raider but try and get AOTC each tier and 2k+ mythic score, and I will be for sure exploring delves. Deffo more interested in the 9-12 range and what cosmetics you can get - and the level 13 secret one could be fun. Hopefully theyve learnt from Torghast!

@evanc8492 2 ай бұрын

can’t wait to push title-range Delves

@virtualb01 2 ай бұрын

Loving the delves but they seem super overtuned right now for my 541 ilvl and healing Brann isn’t cutting it for my dps but it’s still super cool and fun and low stress go at your own pace little scenarios. I agree they need to add more powers and take some lessons from MOP Remox into these

@trashtef 2 ай бұрын

You have the G keybind at exactly the same spot I do LOL!

@PharaohofAtlantis 2 ай бұрын

Is there anything in the delves that make a certain one different from other runs of it? If you just do one over and over a few times, is it always the same?

@CaiRobinson 2 ай бұрын

i agree with what you said, im definitely who delves are targeted at. (a non raider or m+ anymore). And having done some of the lower ones on the beta they are cool but have some work to make them fun to draw in people who come back to wow

@shadowweaver1599 Ай бұрын

Im actually excited for delves for something i can solo and gear for raids because even with lfr some times i don't even get one piece of gear and that sucks.

@Wzded 2 ай бұрын

So....they're just scenarios? lol

@Ribosome0 2 ай бұрын

God Fable has such good music

@hamad5816 2 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to have “fun” in delves

@deadclicks 2 ай бұрын

What I'd give for more horrific visions type content

@DerNesor 2 ай бұрын

I have a lot of fun in these. except for the spider web one.

@MostlyFish21 2 ай бұрын

All you have to do is go in as a tank, get the rewards, then get out. You shouldn't be having fun in scenarios like these. Just get in and get out

@Sly_rim 2 ай бұрын

@@MostlyFish21 I can't tell if you're making fun of the guy under the other comment or if you're really like that

@gregthomson2299 8 күн бұрын

@@MostlyFish21don’t you have to refresh your air (for example)? If it’s tuned well you’ll run out of air if you can’t beat damage checks. Sadly it probably won’t be tuned to be challenging until lvl10+. I hope I’m wrong, 5 mask horrific visions and mage towers were good content, not one and done scenarios type things, which I think these will turn out to be. Sad😢

@skkim0217 2 ай бұрын

IRL being so busy and guildies parenting and all that, I really can't invest time on raids anymore. This may be a content for me. I hope it being fun.

@bobbilling1075 2 ай бұрын

Agree that mobs should have raid like mechabnics to dodge instead of beefed auto

@duman173 2 ай бұрын

Gotta love that for wow players "fun" almost always translate in "how can i trivialize and be done with content as soon as possiable"

@tangentkatz 2 ай бұрын

I'm the type of person Delves were designed for. My biggest disappointment is the lack of significant boss mechanics. I actually played delves the same day I finally played the FFXIV variant dungeons. Most of the delve was more interesting, with some fun environmental factors, a fine balance of trash, cool themes, etc. But I wish the final encounter in a delve has something like the complexity of variant dungeon bosses in FFXIV. I want to feel like I am learning, improving, and overcoming a mechanical challenge. I'm a casual player in Wow, but I play MMOs because I like the mechanics in encounters. So far delves haven't delivered that as much as I'd like.

@Veelaru 2 ай бұрын

Visions were bad, though. You could only farm a few phials per week, and as soon as you die - it's wasted with no option of replay. For some specs, 4-5 masks weren't doable even in a close to BiS gear due to poor tuning (or you should've gotten some separate gear with a ton of vers on it, and god knows how much we loved farming azerite gear lol). And the loot was still worse than from some +15-ish keys that were incomparably easier to complete.

@steleeyansky Ай бұрын

so thorgast ? but not mandatory

@Xenfir_ 2 ай бұрын

So they do see our m+ feedback

@davidgreenberg8456 2 ай бұрын

I wonder how easy they are if you are not playing a tank. I think the mobs should have a damage aura buff when you are specced into tank (or a debuff when not a tank)

@Sengyizhe 2 ай бұрын

I feel like you should be able to do as many delves as you want to get gear that you could normally get by doing a mythic plus. Make the higher tier difficult enough to warrent the reward. maybe make these give a currency if you dont want to give out gear itself. These should be a third gearing path but maybe because they are soloable they are scared to make em rewarding.

@erlasleepsdreams 2 ай бұрын

love how daddy draddy just leaned in while saying "That tech would be really good for m+ dungeons"

@baejnebun7124 Ай бұрын

"new" island expeditions incoming

@kafaen2 2 ай бұрын

The grear from delves, is it just high ilvl wq gear? Any chance really good trinkets etc. will come from them making it almost mandatory early on?

@HUNmerlin 17 күн бұрын

Making them easier to blast through might backfire as it draws in people who would steer clear of them if they were harder. Sure, you can get the same gear by spamming mid-tier M+ but if these become trivial, the path of least resistance might give too much incentive and pull in people who dislike this type of content. Difficulty and rewards must remain in sync between all contents.

@BuboStabbins 2 ай бұрын

man, it really really really bums me out that it stops at hero track. I don't have an issue with it being hard, as long as it doesn't become obsolete as soon as my guild has heroic+ raid on farm.

@RachelD-vq4zj 2 ай бұрын

So is everyone forced to play as a tank in these since Bran only does dps or heals? Or is incoming damage low enough that you can go in as dps?

@jessicahampton4581 2 ай бұрын

Brann right now in beta is useless as a healer ..but there working on making him stronger and curios dropping alot more..

@kiryukazuma8773 2 ай бұрын

Torghast 2.0

@johnconner6846 Ай бұрын

how is this an endgame pillar if its capped at a much lower level than the other two?

@SacredFeline 2 ай бұрын

I know that they don't want delves to feel "mandatory" but their rewards not being on par with raid/m+ rewards makes it feel weird to actually call them an "end game pillar" if they're not going to be a pillar that stands as tall as the other two. I like the concept of delves offering a solo play end game experience because right now there aren't many options to gauge your individual skill in challenging content outside of a group setting. I only raid at a heroic level right now, but I think it would be great if the 8-11 range of delves offered actual mythic level solo content. Then I would have a clearer indication of when I'm ready to start looking for a mythic raiding guild based off if/when I start being capable of clearing 8-11 delves by myself

@icresp4263 2 ай бұрын

Lots of peoples endgames are different. Endgame doesn't necessarily mean whatever drops the best loot. For a lot of people transmog is the endgame.

@SacredFeline 2 ай бұрын

@@icresp4263 yes transmog is some people's end game, but Blizzard doesn't refer to transmog as an "endgame pillar"

@icresp4263 2 ай бұрын

@@SacredFeline The only thing separating a pillar from just normal endgame is having a vault slot ig. It's definitely a good endgame for a lot of people, if it gave the same gear as mythic+ or raids it'd be pretty annoying

@MordecaiandMonroe 2 ай бұрын

I dont want powers or blasting i want something that brings a challenge where my build matters for me and my best friend to have something to do together

@shawkr2 2 ай бұрын

horrific visions were so good, just make them like that. i don’t get the point of capping rewards at 8 if they are afraid of making 9+ hard

@LilSnikkel Ай бұрын

I can't see a future in which this won't get hated by the community. Torghast is infinitely better, and Torghast got shit on because it's mandatory, repetitive and long. Just like this.

@blacklily250 2 ай бұрын

Dr atnos doesn’t sound very confident selling the fun aspect

@GrayzBDF 2 ай бұрын

Agree. Almost as he doesn't want to step on Blizzard's toes but the feedback needs to be really clear. They won't listen but at least we will have done our part in that case Luckily I'll only run them at extremely low tiers. If I find fun aspects later THEN I'll increase the tiers. Until then it's another system I'll have minimal contact with. Just like Torghy. I do those more once they've been nerfed n thus become more fun

@Korupcija 2 ай бұрын

sounds dumb to say but I feel like because you can get gear from this, they can't make it fun - I had more fun in torghast

@gcarm76 2 ай бұрын

Torghast returns

@kain4mat892 2 ай бұрын

u can delve with 3 ppl so it is not solo content at all.

@Malavander 2 ай бұрын

Can't you spec Brann as a tank? Does he not hold aggro or what?

@adamadamadam83 2 ай бұрын

Dratnos said in the video that Brann can only DPS or Heal.

@Gitaikou 2 ай бұрын

3 plus 1 is 3 yep yep

@driiifter 2 ай бұрын

If you think of everything in terms of time and reward versus time spent, then Delves are basically the next M+ in terms of saving time. It's like the next step under the drip of refinement underneath M+ in the time universe. I don't even care if they're fun at this point; think about it, we run BGs, we run Islands, then run keys, we run the same stuff over and over, what matters is how much TIME it takes. This is a war over our time.

@dotftw1 2 ай бұрын

If it is all about " time-saving " for you then maybe just don't play the game lol ?

@arcane3419 2 ай бұрын

torghast

@RotalHenricsson 2 ай бұрын

Solo content should be right up my alley yet somehow this just feels meh. i'll have to play it anyway. I want that flying machine.

@anthonytgameaddict 2 ай бұрын

feel like im gonna get forced into doing these somehow. prolly for a spark.

@ninjaturtlesoup2769 9 күн бұрын

He hasn’t done shit 😂

@allen4866 2 ай бұрын

Currently Delves are terrible for solo healers.

@Blood_Ronin 2 ай бұрын

As a mixed player (pvp/pve) the new pvp system is trash. The current conquest numbers mean you will get 1 extra piece of gear at week 10. How does that equal losing pvp gear rewards from the vault. every week before week 10? Really hope blizz fixes this.

@drakedbz 2 ай бұрын

Please Blizzard I beg you. Leave this as optional content. Torghast was ruined because it became required. I don't mind that there are some reasonable rewards available from delves, but if it ever becomes "correct" for our raid/key mains to do them past a week or two, that's going to be awful.

@jessicahampton4581 2 ай бұрын

Look this content is for solo open world players.. those that are not going to do raids nor mythic plus garbage.those of that have had enough with the sports garbage world first stupidness..who have had with with go -go-go.toxic elite players who are rude nasty and think there wow gods....tww you can do follower dungeons from lvl 10-70..you can do delves with NPCs..you can now even get back into professions with npc doing orders..this will be heaven..

@Teranika87 2 ай бұрын

so torghast tower?

@liptonicetea393 2 ай бұрын

This is suppose to be the biggest new feature of the game. The fact that Myth track player won't find anything in it means, it's not content for them. This expansion is shaping to be a disapointment.

@Serphentin 2 ай бұрын

It's meant to be dungeon-like content for primarily-solo players.

@VatelFak 2 ай бұрын

So basicaly thorgast 2.0...

@snowfire48 2 ай бұрын

This is going to be another Torgast debacle all over again.

@duman173 2 ай бұрын

Withered training was repeating the same thing every week, and as soon as you got any gear you were speedrunnig thru it one shoting everything, was it fun? Sure. Is it over rated? No doubt.

@steveskeet1 2 ай бұрын

Delves are literally the Torghast 2.0 let's be honest. These will become a chore to do.

@zuralani1 2 ай бұрын

Fortunately they arent tied to legendaries (yet) or anything like that. The biggest issue would be if the heroic vault reward from delves can be delve-specific trinkets (which i think there are), as there is a slim chance those may be stronger than mythic level trinkets for a few specs. In that case those specs "BiS" would require them to fill their delve vault each week for the chance at that trinket.

@wm1573 2 ай бұрын

Don’t have to do them bro

@daledadolphin 2 ай бұрын

super disappointed that they aren't actually challenging and aren't giving end game gear - you (Blizzard) can't call it an endgame pillar if it doesn't give endgame gear

@sluff236 2 ай бұрын

Any amount of people. Up to 5.

@breikio 2 ай бұрын

Only up to hero track gear in the vault makes this dead on arrival unfortunately. Really shame that we cant have a new proper pillar added to the game after so many years.

@bobbilling1075 2 ай бұрын

He was talking about mythic, that isn’t the case? If so then yeah fuck it

@deadeus5248 2 ай бұрын

@@bobbilling1075 why would you get max ilevel reward gear for doing content that is designed to be easier ? lmfao

@farmerjoseph8683 2 ай бұрын

blizzard hates pvprs so they removed the vault so now pve players can get tier way before pvp and pvp can just "earn conquest faster" so that dont = a tier piece pvp players always left out

@ducatii360 2 ай бұрын

This is literally the same kind of spin as what torghast was in shadowlands. 8:57. They are doing this because they are lazy and taking the cheap way out while charging everyone $$$ anything that is a generic fit all class all spec is just lazy.