Been paralyzed quadriplegic in bed for 13yrs now after a bike accident. Stuck in bed watching the world go by. Only recently 2yrs came to Christ. He takes care of me every minute.Happy to suffer I praise him for all my pains, my everyday prayers are once my parents can't take care of me God takes me up.

I knew my parents but my dad was very abusive then left when I was five and I was glad. My mom was and still is abusive and has caused a lot of headaches and pain for me so sometimes not knowing your parents is a blessing not a curse. Your father is our Heavenly Father ❤️🧡✝️🖤💚

Actually, I have struggled for years to retain my faith in God. I'm more likely to be faithful when everything was just fine in my life. But in the darkest years, there is no reason for faith. The feeling is that God exists for the world, but not for me. Still, I cling on, I knock, I pray. Hope never dies.

“So by suffering the Father would lead us to enter more deeply into the love of Christ. Our hearts are continually prone to wander from Him; prosperity and enjoyment all too easily satisfy us, dull our spiritual perception, and unfit us for full communion with Himself. God allows us to suffer in the hope that, when we have found our rest in Christ in time of trouble, we shall learn to choose abiding in Him as our only portion; and when the affliction is removed, have so grown more firmly into Him, that in prosperity He still shall be our only joy.”

Most of the biblical suffering that was quoted is about the persecution for preaching the gospel of Christ after his death, and not so much about psycho-social-economical suffering

I’ve been highlighting every scripture that talks about suffering and let me tell you…suffering and being a Christian goes hand in hand. Romans 8:18 gets me through so much.

when we suffer and believed that God is walking with us,, We rejoiced for knowing that our faith and trust in Him is not in vain. 🎉🎉🎉praise God..

may we suffer well for You Lord!

Suffering is a blinking red light that demands our attention. It's a sign that something is amiss. Physically, spiritually, emotionally. I suffer because I am seperated from my God. I suffer because I enjoy sin more than spending time with Him or doing things His way. I suffer because I do not seek His Healing for my mind, body, soul. I suffer because I allow how I handled past trauma to dictate how I handle present stress. His yoke is easy, His burden is LIGHT. He suffered in our place! Whatever is causing you to suffer... imagine how that killed Jesus. Because our suffering is nothing compared to His suffering. God's will is done in heaven.. in heaven there is no suffering AT ALL OF ANY KIND. God's will is no suffering at all of any kind. We still suffer here. Because He suffered here. He suffered because of everything that causes our suffering. You mourn a lost child? How much more did Jesus mourn that lost child? How much more did that crushing loss you feel, crush Him? Jesus wept at Lazerus' grave. He wept at the grief of others. He wept because it hurt Him MORE to lose Lazerus even for just a moment, even though He knew He would bring Him right back. He wept at the lack of faith and knowing Him and His heart. Jesus didn't take your child to teach you a lesson. For a child to die in the womb, there is a lack or dysfunction, either in the child or the mother. That lack or dysfunction, wherever it was, KILLED Jesus. It destroyed Him. So that child would no longer experience any form of lack or dysfuction... That child is now ALIVE. We experience lack and dysfunction (and therefore, suffering) every day of our lives.... because we are seperated from Him. The closer we get to Him, the closer we get to the end of suffering. His yoke is easy... His burden is light. He loves. He heals. He forgives. He cleanses. He restores. He blesses. Don't worry about what is wrong... what hurts... Worry about Who heals...Who restores Draw near to Him and He will draw near to you. God bless!

I am a person who never knew my parents. Yes God has blessed me but I still struggle with this. I see others being happy and I feel alone. No one seems to understand.

If we suffer, we shall also reign with Jesus Christ. 2 Timothy 2:12

Amen, He is always near and with us all through it all 💙🙏🙌

I am sooo exhausted from the constant battle. I can't handle it anymore. Where is this perseverance and strength? When will it come?? Lord, im just so utterly exhausted. I have NEVER been able to do ANYTHING alone. Life has been one long struggle of passion and hardship, and it gives me kno solace to kno there are ppl worse of than me. I DO see u in all ur Glory in the wonder of creation and in Good times, just as i see your miracles in time of need. But when I'm differing and you're not there, i kno your will is still best, however I've no strength left to, having done all, to stand,... I'm tired. I've been waiting for this perseverance and fortitude and strength my whole life, Lord!!! Where IS IT!!!????? How are you strong when i am weak??? Ppl are saying that they no longer expect anything from me anymore bcz i am sooo physically unable to do anything anymore, though I've never been strong. How can i rely on you when you're invisible and i CAN'T do ALL THINGS thru Christ who strengthens me, when you DON'T! NOT like they WANT! I'm just tired, Lord. I trust you, but plz God, plz strengthen me? Plz heal me? Restore my soul?

• GOD • disciplines us for his good ThAt we mAy shAre his holiness

I've lived the Christian life for 17 years so far. I've never felt any type of joy in my suffering. I should have by now. When I read these exhortations in the bible, they are just words on paper to me.

I think the Lord allows us to get through suffering because He wants us to make holy and pure like His song according Romans 8:29

since CHRIST also suffered in the flesh for us ..we need to also be the part takers of CHRIST'S suffering...THOUGH CHRIST FOUND IN FLESH HE COMMITTED NO SIN...HE BACAME A SIN OFFERING FOR US ALL ..PRAISE BE TO HIS MIGHTY NAME

AND THE ABODE OF GOD IS IN OUR HEART

Wow. Thank you Tony for putting this on. Wonderful

Praise be to Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! 🙏✝️😇❤️🙌

Very helpful teaching. There is a chain of things in Rom 5:3-4 that highlights some of the benefits of suffering for God's people: 'And not only that, but we also boast in our afflictions, because we know that affliction produces endurance, endurance produces proven character, and proven character produces hope.' (CSB)

Praise to the Lord( Jesus) and tbank you pastor John for sharing about the relationship between suffering and joy in Christ from the New Testament in Christ. Amen to 1 Thessalonians 1:6 "6 You became imitators of us❤❤❤❤❤❤ and of the Lord( Jesus😊1st❤) ; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with joy😊❤ given by the Holy Spirit."( 1 Thessalonians 1:6 ESV) and amen to Romans 5:3-5 too "3 Not only so, but we also rejoice😊 in our sufferings, because we ❤ ❤❤❤❤❤❤ know that suffering produces perseverance❤; 4 perseverance❤, character❤, and character, hope❤. 5 And hope❤ does not disappoint us, because God(😊 100%❤) has poured out his ❤ into our hearts❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us."( Romans 5:3-5 Zondervan NIV Study Bible) Sometimes because sufferings for Christ also reveals God's grace in disguise. God can uses suffering to reach even more people to Himself or to Jesus our savior and Lord ( Jesus) in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( ❤ ) for others' healing for good only. Amen to Romans 5:3-5 and In Jesus'namd, i pray( Romans 5:1-11( Peace and joy)in Christ. In Jesus'name, i pray( 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, James 5:14-15; Philippians 4:4😊, 4-7😊❤). Amen.

God's blessings unto you ! Thanks so much for your encouragement for it comes in the right time. The enemy is trying hard. God is good all the time and He alone is good.🙏🙏💕

John Piper makes a very good point that the New Testament connects suffering and joy over and over again. At first sight, suffering and joy seem to contradict each other, and I would suggest this is one of the main reasons why so-called Prosperity Gospel teaching exists. Many Christians can't understand how suffering and joy can fit together, they see that the Bible teaches joy, so they assume that Christians who are following Jesus closely shouldn't suffer. And then they explain away a multitude of biblical passages which teach that Christians can expect to suffer. Basically, they exalt their own ability to understand above biblical revelation.

Our faith in Him is never in vain! Our suffering is purposed and what we must undergo since He who made us knows us best. There is so much pure milk of God's Word sensitively expounded here. Thank you. Many would have been helped in Hawaii that day, hearing Pastor John. These presentations are so helpful. Eyes, minds and hearts on our suffering Lord who is glorified and with us !

Our life our choice. God doesn't want to see you suffer, he wants you to believe in him, and stop the suffering. ❤🤗😇

Wow beautiful I love this so much ❤️ Thank you for sharing this important message.

He doesn’t will that we suffer but He allows it and promises to use it for good. We have nothing to fear and we ultimately have eternal life! That’s how we can suffer joyfully - He doesn’t willingly afflict. Also we have the promise of discipline. Determinism is false. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. Lamentations 3:33

GoD is more precious then whAt i lose AnD GOD is more precious then whAt I gAin AnD so is every person ALL SO THAT is the meAning of these words BecAusE it does include GOD TO LOVE GOD AND TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF IS THE WHOLE OF THE LAW in the New Testament

I wish I understood better …. I will pray on it & re-listen … Thankyou💕

Whatever, I’m comfortable with myself, even if I’m a loser and a failure to god. I’m not a soldier, a warrior or a tough strong christian, I’m just this boring worthless me, it’s who I am. I hate the system that everything is always for the strong and tough and it’s those people that give people like me a bad name. I enjoy life whether god likes it or not, too bad he can’t be happy for me and accept the way I am.

Hallelujah

Discipline happens to make us more Holy. In the context of an adult Christian this makes sense, and is biblical. I struggle with understanding the point of suffering in abused young children. Any thoughts on how this can promote God's glory or make anyone more holy?

It has brought me much closer to His Majesty.

All bad things happen for good reasons. We have to train to be strong. You don't just become strong. We have trials, because we wanted to be the strongest of the strongest. The harder our lives the stronger we become. I started training at birth. We all did, we just chose different paths. There are no trials it is learning, building soldiers of the future. Those who can do it to the end shall be the strongest of the strongest. 😇🤗💯

Please pray for me, I am under a lot of stress at work.

AND for someone thAt you hAve hurt Including God

Bathing us in one truth from the New Testament 1) Romans 5:3 2) James 1:2 3) 1 Peter 4:13 4) Hebrews 10:34 5) Act 5:41 6) 2 Corinthian 12:9 7) Philippians 2:17 8) Colossians 1:24 9) 1 Thessalonians 1:6 10) 2 Corinthians 8:1, 4

This was extremely comforting. I shared it on my Facebook and with a mom that lost her little 8 year old boy Marcus to brain cancer. I looked for the full sermon I could not find the KZfaq channel. Why would you not put the link in the description of this video? If you could please do that, it would be great. Thank you.

BecausE hurting yourself is true pAin

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AND thAt is whAt courAge is to be sorry for something thAt you hAve done

he SHALL give repentance in exchAnge for his own SouL so thAt he cAn be sAved AND so thAt everyone else cAn be ALSO

Jesus came to save the world and undo the works of the devil. His disciples healed people, cast out demons, raised the dead and Jesus said, greater things than this, you will do, even calm storms and move mountains. So, what happened? Did Jesus lie, did he fail? Of course not, many Christians have done miracles and continue to do miracles. My hypothesis for why the world isn't as perfect as Jesus said it could be is this, as Jesus warned, wolves have crept in, false teachers abound, lies replaced truth. So who is harmed, but those causing the problems. Sad indeed. Feed the sheep and let the little child lead you, instead of feeding the sheep to the wolves.

its cAlled drinking Hennesy to stAy wArm in the winter ANd A wArrior does not hurt himself ONLY his enemy which is the devil

And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, that Satan also came among them For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it" Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the Devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour

You should always link the full episode can’t find

AND the wAges of sin is the world

Because a father that doesn't beat (discipline) his children, doesn't love them. We wouldn't learn.

Unwanted singleness is suffering

The Abode of SAtAN is in the heAvenly reAlm

AND it does meAn hurting yourself ALSO

You mean like single people whose affliction of unwanted singleness is treated like nothingC and in fact, not only are they Insulted and criticised for the assumptions that people have about singleness, but they’re not allowed to be sad about being single or that they’re being treated poorly by married people because. Can’t win. Meanwhile married people moan about anything and everything. Including things CHOSE. And they’re treated like martyrs.

Am I allowed to use this when I do something that dissatisfies another person? Or is this another "rules for thee but not for me" ?

No. It is NEVER God's will that we suffer. Satan comes to steal, kill and to destroy. We are to STAND FIRM in our faith for the devil goes around like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. God never puts suffering on you to teach you a lesson that is insane!

Blessed are those who are persecuted on account of me you will face persecution you can't love God and MAMMON -(wealth) either you will love one and hate the other or love neither.. if you teach we are saved by grace ALONE BY FAITH ALONE how do you claim not to love WEALTH CREATED TEACHING US TO DESIRE GOD?? WOE TO WHO?? WHO MUST LEAVE THEIR WEALTH & GIVE IT AWAY TO POOR TO BE GREAT IN KINGDOM AND WHO WILL BE SAVED BY GRACE BUT SUFFER LOSS IN PURGATORY OF 1 COR 3:15 NOR BE ONE OF THOSE TOLD WELL DONE GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT?? WOE TO WHO BY GRACE ALONE NEGLECTING GREATEST 2 COMMANDS SUMMARIZING ALL LAW AND PROPHETS BY GRACE ALONE??

That title is a lie.

I stopped listening to several pastors/teachers a few years ago when I heard them teaching the narrative of the liberal Left. This will be the first time in 3-4 years listening to Desiring God. I don't remember the details, and can't even remember the names, just the faces, of those teachers. It saddens me and makes me sick when I see Christians who know what sanctification is, and especially teachers and preachers, allowing the doctrines of the world into their hearts, their churches, and their lives. I believe that for some it's coming from an honest, but misled, attempt to do the right thing. For others, it's because they want the world to love them and THEIR church, and to have their churches full. I've missed some of these pastors. But, a little leavine leavines the whole loaf. I guess I have decided to not listen to this after all. 😢

God doesn't WI suffering on anyone. 😢

If you enjoy it you shouldn't speak of it because that is a soap box for pride... See the martyr I am!

Desiring God, God will allow what we allow. If we allow sickness pain and suffering, instead of taking our God given authority and commanding them to go, Then God will allow it. But God wants everyone to be free from suffering. The choice is ours, Not God's.

If you want a cushy life, with no suffering, Christianity is not for you. It cost Jesus and others their lives. Suffering is how you learn from adversity, like the butterfly that needed to struggle when emerging from its cocoon, or it wasn't strong enough to survive.

Stop conflating God (from Genesis 1) with the LORD (from Genesis 2) and the Bible will make a lot more sense.

🔴Sick demented title. I won't even waste my time.